Thursday, July 14, 2011

My Two Cents on Bugliosi and the Helter Skelter Motive
Hello Friends!  Below is my personal opinion/summation of a topic (Bugliosi and HS), which got pretty heavy (and interesting) in the previous thread.  This is my “two cents” (on the subject) for what it’s worth… and not intended to be taken as “provable fact”.  I asked Mary, if I could use one of her comments (from an older thread) as a “springboard” for this discussion, and she agreed.  Thanks Mary!


Mary said:
>>>>"You cannot present 5 - 6 motives to a jury and expect them to follow the motives and all the evidence. You need to simplify the case"<<<<

Mary... You're right.
That's one major reason why Bugliosi presented "Helter Skelter".  There are 3 reasons.

Reason #1)
It's a tidy package, which is easy to present.
You can't stand-up to prosecute 4 defendants simultaneously (single-handedly), and say to the jury:
"Truth be told, the motive could be this... this.... or this... and likely, two of those combined.  Heck, I'm not quite sure myself.  I probably will never know... thanks for you time".  That doesn't win a case.

Reason #2)
The "HS package" implicated Manson... the "big tuna".
Bugliosi wanted Manson, and wasn’t going to use a motive which excluded him.

Reason #3)
Bugliosi needed a motive which everyone involved, would corroborate.
So… while interviewing, researching, and observing everyone… he searched for a “common thread”.
The one common thread Bugliosi found, was this:
Everyone’s words AND actions, echoed “Charlie is in-charge”.
That was the only “constant”, or “common thread” he could rely on... consistently, and across the board.  So… he utilized that one common thread, for all it was worth.

The HS "motive" painted Manson as the leader… in fact, completely “hinged” around that concept.  The words and actions of “the family” inside (and outside) the courthouse (as Bugliosi predicted), painted “Charlie” as leader… and cemented an otherwise weak case against Manson.

Bugliosi was asked in an interview (right around the time Susan was petitioning for "compassionate release“):
"Do you still believe the motive was “Helter Skelter“?
His response:
"It seems the motives were several and disparate".
Several and disparate motives folks.  That’s lawyer-talk for “No”.

There’s no doubt, Bugliosi was presented with several possible motives, just as we are.
I honestly believe, Bugliosi had no idea which motive was correct… and still has no idea today.  Honestly, how could he?  Realistically… it’s impossible.  He’d have to be an all-knowing deity, with a crystal ball.

Bugliosi chose the one motive (he was presented with), that would implicate Manson, AND be successful through the corroboration of the defendants themselves, and the “Family” collectively.
I say “presented with”, because it’s my humble opinion, that the Helter Skelter motive, was indeed “presented” to him (along with many others), and not “concocted” by him.
That portion is just my humble opinion.  Either way… “presented” or “concocted”, everything above, is why (I believe) Bugliosi used the HS motive.

Bottom line:
Bugliosi got the right folks, for the right crime, but based on the wrong motive… or, if nothing else, a motive he couldn’t possibly have been sure of.
Ethical?
Probably Not.
Effective?
Yes.

Bugliosi is smug.  He has an inflated ego the size of Texas.  He’s a strange and irritating sorta man, who uses bizarre words like “megolomaniac”.  Heck, he’s downright irritating at times.  Most importantly… his tactic of using a motive he couldn’t possibly have been 100% sure of (to effectively prosecute folks), was, and is, arguably un-ethical.
But, is he stupid?  My opinion is no… not at all.

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Hippie Scholar said...

katie8753 said...

>>>
I know that you think the "proposed" Salindar murder is the "key" to this whole case, but in reality, it's a very insignificant piece of this puzzle. So some actor didn't get offed. How is this non-event crucial in determining the reason for these murders?<<<

Salindar Nader is the missing key that shows a connection to Linda's role at the Tate house and her being in the car enroute to the LaBianca residence.

Tex Watson went up to Cielo Drive to "Settle Things" with Frykowski and Folger on Linda's behalf. The house was to be isolated and searched. The autopsy reports show that both Folger and Frykowski got the worst of it as they were the reason for the visit to begin with.

Even Susan Atkins Attorney from 1993, Deborah Frazier, made the reference to a drug burn and how crimes like this are often related to acts of passion or revenge. So even she saw something here that focused the motive for this murder to something that involved Tex Watson and not Charles Manson.

Salindar Nader, in the scheme of things, is essentially an insignificant and relatively unknown player in all of this, but yet somebody wanted this guy dead and dead on the very same night as the LaBianca murders were to take place.

That's no coincidence. This was a time linked event where LaBianca had to go down first.

Linda Kasabian was never intended to set foot on the LaBianca property.

Who wanted Salindar Nader dead? Tex Watson.

Prior to any of these murders taking place, it was well known that Tex Watson was running his own little drug enterprise independant of Manson's oversight.

The Bernard Crowe incident, which Manson got sucked into, was nothing more than cleaning up the mess that Tex Watson had made. Manson had to shoot Bernard Crowe because Bernard Crowe insisted that Watson's girlfriend had to pay the price for his actions. Manson had no choice in that matter.

But what you see here is Tex Watson running his own kind of operation and trying to make a name for himself.

Just look back to January 1st of 1969 when Marina Habe's body was found by a jogger. Tex Watson was no stranger to murder. This was something that even Bill Nelson knew.

Salindar Nader is the smoking gun that links Linda Kasabian directly to Tex Watson's initiatives.

Frykowski - Kasabian - Nader.

These 2 events (Tate / Nader) were all about getting vindication for Linda Kasabian and for cleaning up a drug burn gone bad.

LaBianca, as i have always said, was a more sinister deed that involved other parties.

Nonetheless, the very fact that the Salindar Nader event gets downplayed, just because Linda Kasabian decided to spare the guys life, doesn't give Bugliosi or Kay the right to act as if it was something insignificant.

Quite the contrary - it explains a great deal.

Hippie Scholar said...

lurch said...

>>>Sorry to bum ya out Jimmy, but I plan on goin to this lil event. Not to worship or kiss the shoes of the Bug, but just to hear what the man has to say.<<<

Try and get an autographed picture of Bugliosi and ask him to dedicate it to Salindar Nader.

Or maybe ask him if he hurt his knuckles when he smacked his mistress around.

If he won't answer that question, then ask him if he ever gets with HOT chicks like Charles Manson does.

At this point, if he hasn't already called for security, ask Vince if he held a knife at Linda Kasabian's back at any time during her interview with Larry King.

Then tell him to come to New York sometime because he can get alot of free lunches over there.

This is the kind of stuff that Howard Stern used to send out Stuttering John to do.

You never know how they're going to respond.

Hippie Scholar said...

One more thing i'll leave you with skynyrd ....

The only real connection that Linda Kasabian actually had to Salindar Nader was that he had taken her back to his place and had sex with her having picked her up, along with Sandra Good, when they were hitch hiking.

Then we have Linda Kasabian, staying outside of the Tate residence, who tells a stumbling and dying Voyteck Frykowski, "I'm so sorry" .....

Sorry for what? For being the instrument of his death at the hands of an angry Tex Watson?

Frykowski and Nader - both of these events speaks volumes as to what Linda Kasabian's role actually was.

I've said it before that everyone who went up to that Cielo Drive house had a close personal association with Linda including Larry Bailey who gave Linda "His" knife to use on that night.

This all relates to the independant drug business activities that Tex Watson was involved in.

Linda Kasabian was the domino that took down the house of Tate.

I stand by this statement.

That's my 2 cents.

Anyway - You do have a good blog Lynyrd.

Be well and remember that one day men will turn to each other and say, "Old Binro was right".

Cheers !

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Take Care Jim.

Before you go, let me respond to a couple things.

You said:
>>>>"He won't talk about Salindar Nader or even admit that Nader and LaBianca were time-linked events, but yet they were".<<<<

Jim... Here's what I believe:

Kasabian was a criminal.
She was facing serious jail time, no matter how you slice it.
I know that, You know that, Bugliosi knows that, Linda knows that... and anyone with common sense, who studies this case, can clearly see that.

Bugliosi wanted to win this case, and he wanted Manson most of all.
He was prepared to do whatever it took, to accomplish that goal.
So... he cut a deal with Linda.
He took a criminal, who was otherwise going to jail, and used her for his own means.
There's no doubt about that Jim.

Also... this "deal", would have no worth, unless Bugliosi painted Linda as "credible".
He had to paint her as "innocent" (or, innocent as possible), for her word to carry any weight with the jury.
So... he took a criminal, and created "Mary Poppins".

Also (another also)... this "deal", would have no worth (to the prosecution), unless Linda said, what Bugliosi, needed her to say.
So... he coached her, no doubt.

This all calls into question, the ethics involved with "cutting deals" with criminals.
But... it happens all the time, and it's common practice.
Should it be allowed?
That's beyond my scope, to answer.

So... in the end, Linda, a criminal, got away with crime(s), and Bugliosi, got his prosecution success.
You got that right.

And... even today, it definitely seems as though, Bugliosi is very cautious about what Linda says.
It does seem like he has his hand up the back of her shirt... like a puppet.
He doesn't want her to say too much.

So... you're right Jim, on those counts.
Thing is... what are ya gonna do?
As I said... lawyers "cut deals" with criminals all the time.
It's just accepted as part of our legal system.

As for Nader... again, you're right.
I don't have as many facts on Nader, as you personally do.
But, I do know this:
If you bring Nader into this... it "muddys" things for Bugliosi.
It "complicates" things for Bugliosi.
So... again, he avoided that topic like the plague, in order to win his case.

Jim... Bugliosi clearly used all the elements that would win the case for him... and clearly (as you're saying), "avoided" those elements which would represent 'stumbling blocks" for him... Nader, being one of them.

The thing you have to remember Jim, is that Bugliosi was the Prosecutor.

Everything you're saying is dead-nut accurate.
But... Bugliosi was the Prosecutor.
It was his job, to prosecute these people.
And yes, you're right... he stopped at nothing, to achieve those ends.

Was he a Great lawyer?
I think that depends on whether you're talking to the victim's families, or the one's behind bars.

Jim, you're welcome any time, but please... be polite with my bloggers.
Lurch, Bob, everyone... they're all really cool cats, and good friends, who contribute great comments.
They're not quite as used to your "shock jock" presentation, as I am. LOLOL
Katie is... LOLOL

Peace Brother, and Take Care... You know where to contact me... Always... Lynyrd

bobby said...

Hippie Scholar said: This all relates to the independant drug business activities that Tex Watson was involved in.

Linda Kasabian was the domino that took down the house of Tate.

I stand by this statement.

That's my 2 cents.

Hippie, You type a whole lot & you say Linda is responsable for everything but you never include any details. How is it it all her doing ? You are saying that Tex killed everyone tate & Labianca for Linda. Then Linda Sadie & Clem go to kill Salinder. Why not Tex ? He killed everyone esle for her. I think you you just dont want Charlie to be a bad guy so you blab on about tex & Linda.

Any luck finding the whole in death valley yet ?

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

LOLOL

You're right about one thing Bob.
The folks who sympathize with Manson, always paint Tex as responsible for everything.
It's very convenient.
If Tex is responsible for everyhting... Manson is innocent right?

It is possible, that Tex is much more responsible than the Helter Skelter motive would depict.

BUT... it's also possible... that a drug burn, revenge, mob hit, porno tapes, "money for the desert", Tex's new drug-lord venture... and all the other common motive offerings are true, as well.
BUT... no one's offered any real 'concrete" evidence which can prove any of them... including Tex being "head honcho".
So... it all goes back to square one, as usual.

The "Mansonites" cling to the Tex as Honcho routine the tightest, for obvious reasons.
Tex did personally murder just about everyone... so, that's something those advocates will always have on their side.
But again... nothing is "provable"... not yet anyway.
Personally... I think Manson was top dog.

katie8753 said...

This is what Jimmy argues:

>>>Salindar Nader is the missing key that shows a connection to Linda's role at the Tate house and her being in the car enroute to the LaBianca residence.>>>

Really??? So why would Linda be at the Tate house the night before? Please expound.

>>>Tex Watson went up to Cielo Drive to "Settle Things" with Frykowski and Folger on Linda's behalf. The house was to be isolated and searched. The autopsy reports show that both Folger and Frykowski got the worst of it as they were the reason for the visit to begin with.>>>

This is the same “fairy tale” that has been propagated by Manson-lovers for years. Jeeezzz Jimmy, can’t you come up with some new stuff? No proof of this crap at all!!!

>>>Even Susan Atkins Attorney from 1993, Deborah Frazier, made the reference to a drug burn and how crimes like this are often related to acts of passion or revenge. So even she saw something here that focused the motive for this murder to something that involved Tex Watson and not Charles Manson.>>>

And where did Deborah hear this??? From Susan. HA HA.

>>>Salindar Nader, in the scheme of things, is essentially an insignificant and relatively unknown player in all of this, but yet somebody wanted this guy dead and dead on the very same night as the LaBianca murders were to take place.>>>

Yeah we know. Charlie did.

>>>Linda Kasabian was never intended to set foot on the LaBianca property. Who wanted Salindar Nader dead? Tex Watson. Prior to any of these murders taking place, it was well known that Tex Watson was running his own little drug enterprise independant of Manson's oversight.

First of all Jimmy, what proof do you have that Tex was running a “drug enterprise”. Secondly, Tex didn’t know Salindar. Thirdly, who ordered Linda into the car? Tex? Or Charlie?

Who drove to the LaBianca house??? Charlie. Who drove to the beach and ordered Linda to kill Nader??? Charlie.


>>> Manson had to shoot Bernard Crowe because Bernard Crowe insisted that Watson's girlfriend had to pay the price for his actions. Manson had no choice in that matter.>>>

Oh really??? Manson had no choice?? Uhhhhh….I think he did. Manson never did anything without it being his choice. Jimmy….you should know that by now.

>>>But what you see here is Tex Watson running his own kind of operation and trying to make a name for himself. Just look back to January 1st of 1969 when Marina Habe's body was found by a jogger. Tex Watson was no stranger to murder. This was something that even Bill Nelson knew.>>

No proof that Tex did that. None.

>>>Salindar Nader is the smoking gun that links Linda Kasabian directly to Tex Watson's initiatives. Frykowski - Kasabian - Nader. These 2 events (Tate / Nader) were all about getting vindication for Linda Kasabian and for cleaning up a drug burn gone bad.>>>

No proof of any of that drug burn. Keep thinking Jimmy!

>>>Nonetheless, the very fact that the Salindar Nader event gets downplayed, just because Linda Kasabian decided to spare the guys life, doesn't give Bugliosi or Kay the right to act as if it was something insignificant.>>>

As I said before, it was a non-event. Why bother?

katie8753 said...

Hey Jimmy, would you please provide a link to the newspaper article that said Bugliosi beat up his girlfriend? I can't locate that.

Thanks!

katie8753 said...

>>>Jimmy said: If he won't answer that question, then ask him if he ever gets with HOT chicks like Charles Manson does.>>>

Oooohhhhh that hot chick, what is her name.... Star???

Let's see, she's an ex-waitress".

HA HA.

Bugliosi wouldn't be caught dead with that trailer trash!! He wouldn't piss on her if she was on FIRE!

The only reason that bimoid is hanging with Charlie is to maybe score some dime at some point by selling something on E-Bay.

"I've got Charles Manson's left back molar for sale to top bidder."

"Up for sale....one of Charles Manson's boogers...fingernails....hawk spit".

Oooohhh yyeaaahhh...baby hit the jack pot.

No more waiting those tables and putting up greasey come-ons.

It's all GRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNN from now on. Get it????

HA HA HA HA

katie8753 said...

>>>Jimmy said: At this point, if he hasn't already called for security, ask Vince if he held a knife at Linda Kasabian's back at any time during her interview with Larry King.>>>

Come on now Jimmy. A knife???

That sounds too Mansonish.

Even you can realize how DUMB that sounds. HA HA.

katie8753 said...

The truth is this:

Charles Manson rounded up a bunch of lightweight hippies that wanted a "Daddy".

Charles became their "Daddy".

Even when the punishment was harsh (because that's what Daddies do...right?)

They ran around stealing things to make money.

They took drugs. They fucked. It was really fun at first.

Then Charles Manson started getting paranoid. It's part of the drugs. Or maybe it's part of stealing things and doing creepy crawls. Either way...he got paranoid.

Charles Manson wanted to be a recording star.

That didn't happen. Why? Because he was just so-so in the recording world. He wasn't a new talent. He was just old waste.

He got mad. He threatened the recording people that he was working with because it pissed him off that he wasn't an overnight sensation.

He wasn't...because he sucked.

His Helter Skelter crap wasn't working anymore. "Where is the hole in the desert you've been preaching about? Where is our salvation?"

Now is the time for Helter Skelter.

Charlie's running out of time. Even without watches, time is ticking, ticking, ticking.

Bobby's in jail, Mary & Sandy are in jail. Charlie's desperate.

He orders Tex to kill. Get money. Which Tex did kill but didn't get money.

Tex fucked up. As usual.

Charlie takes over the next night to make sure everything is right.

Tex fucks up as usual.

Charlie flees to the desert.

katie8753 said...

The desert isn't an answer. It's hot. It sucks. There's no food, no water, and WORST OF ALL...no drugs.

People are getting pissed off. People are leaving. People left.

No more warrior-god Charlie.

Charlie sucks. None of his chest-thumping bullshit comes true.

The cops come...arrests are made. Charlie has become impotent.... No more big dick.

Then....Susan blows the whistle. Charlie's dick grows.

He's suddenly in charge of everyone again. The trial...Charlie is once again in charge!!!

Only to fuck everyone around him.

This is your hero Jimmy.

This is your hero.

I would think that you had higher hopes.

Maybe you can get Star when Charlie's through. Sloppy seconds.

HA HA.

katie8753 said...

Hey Beauders, I posted this on a previous thread, but wanted to make sure you saw it.

Since you hound me daily for my words, I would really like for you to describe this person's gender.

And I want you to be truthful.

This is the attorney for Casey Anthony I was talking about.

Now...you tell ME what this person's sexual persuasion is:

http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/news2011/casey-anthony-ann-finnell-2-0627_rdax_397x480.jpg

And you have to be perfectly honest or is doesn't count.

If it looks like a duck....and quacks like a duck.... HA HA.

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How am I supposed to learn about your lifestyle if you don't talk about it.

It's the chicken and the egg.

Not my fault. But yours.

katie8753 said...

I'm here to tell you, that I'm a white, anglo-saxon protestant. AND I'm part Indian. American Indian.

If you want to call me a squaw, or a pappoose, or any other thing pertaining to Indians, I'd say "so what?"

You can call me anything you want...and I won't object.

Because "I yam what I yam".

I've said it before.

So why do you....object to that term???

You need to find out why you aren't happy with your sexuality and get done with it, and stop stalking my words!!!

I have the right...by the US Constituion, 1st Amendment, to say what I want.

And there's not a fucking thing you can do about it.

Nothing.

On the flip side, you can say anything about me, and I can't do anything about it either.

But...I don't care what you say.

That's the difference.

katie8753 said...

Beauders?

You were all mouth before, but now silent. I'm waiting......

v717 said...

katie 8753
First: What proof is there that Tex was running a drug enterprise?
There are some indications that he was doing just that. In an interview from the early 70:s Susan Atkins told the interviewer that on the night of the murders on Cielo Drive she and Tex Watson snorted some cocaine that they had in a hiding place under a bed. Manson "as it is well known" had strictly forbidden any use of heavy drugs within the family.
It indicate also that neither Tex or Susan Atkins was such slavish minions to Papa Manson as Vincent Bug say they were. If they thought they could earn some money in a drug enterprise behind Mansons back, why not?
Keep in mind that both Tex Watson and Susan Atkins were not idealistic hippie types that was on some crusade to saviour the mankind from decay by stabing to death randomly choosen victims.
They were on another crusade that involved drugs and money and possible revenge. Sure, they were on a mission but it had nothing or little to do with the picture that Vincent Bug painted. Bug twisted the motives so he could involve Manson in the deeds. Manson the evil Guru that poisoned innocent middle class youths to commit gruesome murders.
What a story.
What a smash-hit.
What a smashing victory for the justice.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

V717:

I'm pretty sure Tex and Susan were doing amphetamines behind Manson's back.

Not being a drug-person, I'm not sure if cocaine qualifies, as an amphetamine, but, it sounds about accurate, either way.

To my knowledge, they're both "uppers".

Tex also proved he had involvement with drugs, by way of the "Crowe incident".

"It is, what it is".

Can you "parlay" those facts into proving Tex was responsible for Tate?
Maybe.
LaBianca?
Doubtful.

Unfortunately V717, all roads seem to lead back to square one eventually.

katie8753 said...

Jimmy you haven't answered me!!!

Neither have you Beauders!!
Come on now!! Answer me!!!

You're all talk....answer me!!!!


Talk, talk, talk ,talk, like Casey Anthony.
Talk, talk, talk, lie, lie, lie.

Answer me!!!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie...

Can I ever catch a break?
I'm freakin' exhausted.

Not for nothing, but what exactly is this about?

You're upset, 'cuz someone finds the word "dyke" offensive???

You're upset, 'cuz someone is "infringing" on your right, to use the word "dyke"???

Seriously folks... is there a full moon out tonight???

Firstly...
We both know, that Beauders likely lives on the other side of the globe.
Beauders only posts at like 4am... when absolutely no one is around.

If you're expecting a response from Beauders... you've got about 4 hours to go.

Second...
Beauders contributes great comments, and information.
Is this really worth losing a great blogger over?

Thirdly...
What does it matter, what sexual orientation anyone is?
That's the big question.
What does it matter???

Just because you wouldn't mind being called a "squaw" or "pappoose" as you say... doesn't make using derogatory comments such as "Dyke" acceptable.

Am I missing something here?

Katie, every time I address this issue, you act as though, I'm picking on you.

Is there anyone else, who can shed some light on this subject?
'Cuz quite frankly... I'm just NOT getting it.
Anyone?

Is expecting bloggers to refrain from sexual orientation inuendo unreasonable on my part?
On anyone's part?

Am I outta line here????
Am I picking-on Katie?
Is Beauders picking-on Katie?

Anyone besides Katie, please shed some light on this.

Blog Administration...
DON'T DO IT!!!

It's the Anti-Nike:
"JUST DON'T DO IT"!!! AHahahaha

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Now she's picking a fight with Jim... AHahahaha

"It's a wonderful life"

: )

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie, when you've finally exhausted yourself... shut the lights off.

I'm tired, and going to bed soon.

G'Night......

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LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

>>
Jim, you're welcome any time, but please... be polite with my bloggers.
Lurch, Bob, everyone... they're all really cool cats, and good friends, who contribute great comments.
They're not quite as used to your "shock jock" presentation, as I am. LOLOL
Katie is... LOLOL<<<

Not a problem.

Unlocking minds and deprogramming people from the "Helter Skelter" damage that Vince has caused is never an easy task.

It's like trying to sober up a drunk who's hooked on the HTLB Gingerale.

Besides, i don't want to damage the karma that's here. For once, it's actually good.

I agree with your take on Bugliosi and Kasabian and i can assure you that Vince knows the signifigance of Nader and has deliberately burried just as he had burried the saga about Manson's exodus to the desert and what they were looking for.




bobby said...
>>>
Any luck finding the whole in death valley yet ?<<<

As a matter of fact, PBS has a video on Youtube that confirms what Charles Manson had said about there being a large body of water at the Devil's hole.

The video is called:
NATURE | Life in Death Valley | Devil's Hole Pupfish | PBS

Here's the Link:
youtube.com/watch?v=R_dP4ENjcL0

This is another story that Vincent Bugliosi avoids like the plaque, but there's a truth here that very few people know of.

I refer to this saga as "The Lost Exodus to Death Valley".

It wasn't a game. It was real and they believed in what they were looking for as confirmed by Paul Watkins in his own testimony to Vincent Bugliosi.

The underground water that people laughed at does exist and divers had gone down to a depth of 400 feet and never touched bottom.

The entire saga of how this group of slippies was going to stay at this underground city and emerge as a new tribe of 144,000 to inherit a post "Helter Skelter" world is a real tale and there's a story behind it that nobody knows of and its one of the reasons that i personally believe that Charles Manson and his followers were being held for so long.

I'm not kidding you when i say that this story is biblical in nature.

Skynyrd may remember much of what i had laid out on this subject but i sum it up in one phrase from one song and it's called, "Jesus was an Alien".

Anyone who remembers who Phil Schneider was and who knows of a book called "Death Valley Men" will know where i'm coming from.

The exodus to the desert and the search for the devils hole and the underground city was a real event.

But you will never hear this being discussed by Vincent Bugliosi. He mocks it because he's afraid of the reality of what they were looking for.

katie8753 said...

Jimmy you're funny!!

Maybe some other time you'd be in the gig.

the rest of your shit is stupid.
Like the Casey Anthony stuff.

I don't know if you got into that or not, but it's lie after lie after lie, after lie.

If you're intersted, I can't post the videos. It's lie, after lie, after lie, after lie, after lie, after lie, after lie, after lie, after lie, after lie, after lie, after lie, after lie, after lie, after lie, after lie, after lie, afaer lie, after lie, after lie, after lie, after lie

It's all a bunch of bullshit.

As usual.

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Hippie Scholar said...

Katie ...

I didn't come here to argue .... with anyone.

I came in peace. I will leave in peace.

You can believe in whatever you wish.


I will sum up my beliefs in one phrase ......

Do i believe that Charles Manson is the 5th Angel of Revelations?

Looking at World Events today, i'm inclined to believe that he very well could be.

Looking back at how the Satanic New World Order boys (Bush Sr and W) were both in attendance at the Ceremony in which Anton Lavey placed his infamous curse on the hippie movement in August of 1969, it sure seems to me as if we had reached a defining moment in history. The wheels of destruction were set in motion.

The 6th Angel of Revelations, the one who sets the world on fire and who brings destruction and death to many lands is Barak Obama; the Black Man who had risen.

There's some pretty heavy irony at play here too.

We're destabalizing many North African and Middleastern nations and are spreading the virus of revolution all across the globe.

Is this "Helter Skelter"? I believe we're heading for that as once described by Susan Atkins.

When 'Helter Skelter' comes down fast, we're all gonna know. They'll be no denying it.

Katie ..... "Jesus was an Alien" - you heard that from me.

Link:
youtube.com/watch?v=vazh9htkbII

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Hippie Scholar said...

Katie - keep in mind that the infamous ceremony that Anton LaVey performed where he placed a curse on the hippie movement, with George H and his son George W in attendence, was on the very same night that the Tate Murders were going down.

Satan had arisen and, out of those ashes, the New World Order was born.

Both of these men, George H Bush and George W Bush would later become United States Presidents and prominent Satanists at Bohemian Grove.

Read the affadavit that Anton Laveys son had put out about the "Goings on" at Cherokee-Kimball castle in Sedalia Colorado and what took place there.

August 9, 1969, as far as i'm concerned, was when we moved into what's known as "The End of Days" - The Countdown had started and Satan had returned to reclaim his kingdom.

The end of the reign of the 5th Angel is what we see right after that.

All things happen for a reason.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Believe me Katie, I'm not going to delete anything.

If I delete your comments, it's going to look like I'm talking to myself. LOL

I have a strong feeling, you're going to delete all your own comments by morning as usual anyway... and, again, it'll look like I'm the crazy one, who's talking to myself.

You can be responsible for your own comments this time, and everyone can view you as such.

The only thing you're going to accomplish, is getting rid of Beauders... which is unfortunate for the rest of the blog.

Other than that... you're accomplishing nothing.

Do what you've got to do.
"Get it out of your system".
LOLOL

Peace... Lynyrd

katie8753 said...

Lynyrd, I'm not going to delete anything.

I dont know what Beauders is doing.

I dont care.

I spelled it out.

I don't appreciate someone coming into my life and spying on me.

And that's what she did.

I'll tell you what!!

If she is such a big winner in this blog, she'll come back.

If she's not, she'll disapear.

Then she wasn't that intersted.

CASE CLOSED!!!

Hippie Scholar said...

Katie - I have to admit that i haven't followed the Casey Anthony story much at all.

But i will say this, if you look at the picture that Lynyrd had put up of her, add in some pigtails, and guess what you have?

Linda Kasabian .... sure looks like her, doesn't it?

Anyway ..... enough.

I have to return to my business at hand, but i do think Lynyrds blog is a vast improvement over what was out there previously in blog land.

It's a fun read and Lynyrd is a good guy so I do think his time was well spent.

Oh, one more thing Katie, I can't speak for Manson or Star but i will say this ....

Star stood by Charlie and she never sold him out. She's loyal, sincere and she cares.

That's alot more than I can say for Leslie Van Houten who clings on to a hollywood pervert who pimped her out not once, but twice, for a little book change.

Star is a young WOMAN while Leslie is just a dumb bitch who still thinks that she's something special.

Star is the real homecoming princess of Charlie's world while Leslie Van Houten cozies up to a homosexual fraud filmmaker who's played nothing but mind games on her for more than 30 years. She has NOTHING.

At least Star has the grace and ellegance, and the maturity, to follow her own dreams.

Leslie Van Houten just went down with the ship and used the Hollywood pervert as a life raft.

I wonder how often John Waters stops to think about the "Peanut Man"?

They're both OVER. His career and her chances at freedom.

Karma baby, it will bite you in the a$$ every time.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Jim... it's been a fun visit... but, maybe we should quit, while we're ahead. LOL

When you get into your "far-out" bible, apocolypse, 5th Angel stuff... I honestly have no idea what the heck you're talking about.

Jesus is an Alien? LOLOL

But what-ever...

You treat me respectfuly... and always have... so, you have a right to your "extra-terrestial" thoughts... and, I don't have to understand them... or agree.

"It is, what it is".

When it comes to bloggers...
"I take what I need... and I leave the rest", as the saying goes.

At the end of the day... it's just a blog... and it's purpose (at least in my mind), is entertainment.

Jim you're interesting, and entertaining... everyone's gotta give you that much.
There's never a dull moment, when you're around.

Take Care Jim... and, don't go too far off the deep end! LOL
It seems every time I bump into you... you get just a little more bizarre. : )

I was really trying to hold things together... but, I don't think even Jesus himself, could easily defend, or interpret, your last post! LMAO

As I said to Katie... you're on your own with that stuff now.
I don't venture beyond the normal HTLB world.
If you're gonna get into "para-normal world" talk... you've lost me.
LOLOL

Peace Brother...

As for Katie... you can't talk to her when she gets in this state... you know that.
Tomorrow, she'll be a new woman! LOL

Take Care...

katie8753 said...

Jimmy I really think that Leslie loved you..for a while.

Jimmy I've told you this before, and I feel like I'm telling you again., she's not worth it.

Jimmy, please stay close.

I'm sure it's hard, but I want you to stay close.

I feel a kinship to you.

Don't leave. Don't go away.

I feel that you are uncertain.

I hope that you don't "go away".

Lynyrd and I hope you don't go away.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

As God is my witness... it IS a full moon tonight!!
AHahahaha

I just looked outside my window, and the moon is the size of a basketball!!

LOLOL

Maybe there IS something to all that "full moon" stuff after all.
----------------------------------------
Jim... this feels like the Wizard of Oz scene... when the wicked witch appears... and all the Munchkins hide...
Then after she leaves, they all come back out!

Since you've been here, everyone has dis-appeared! LOLOL

'Course, Katie blowing a gasket, is probably like having a second wicked witch, on the yellow brick road!! : )

katie8753 said...

WHY DID CAYLEE ANTHONY DIE? FUCKERS?


DOES ANYONE KNOW?????

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Jim, hit the road... and Katie... go to bed.

I put a lot of work into this thread.

Let's give others a chance to enjoy it.

The Great and Powerful Oz, has spoken! LOLOL

(I'm going to bed)

katie8753 said...

Okay I'll give you one more thing.

One hand in my pocket......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGjaaQAvSTA

And the other one is playing a piano.

I've got one hand in my pocket, and the other one is hailing a taxi cab......

Hippie Scholar said...

Global Resistance:
youtube.com/watch?v​=0MdJE7VC4Xk

The Foundation of the infernal Empire of Anton LaVey and George H. Bush:
http://www.illuminati-news.com/
120806c.htm

Bushes Human Sacrifices at the Kimball-Cherokee Castle
- Affidavit of Rev. Christian Jess A. LaVey, son of Anton LaVey, Founder of Church of Satan -
by Stew Webb, Aug 1, 2005

http://www.illuminati-
news.com/bushes-human-
sacrifices.htm

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Hippie Scholar said...

I'm hitting the road now so that the munchkins can come out from under their beds.

Remember Munchkins, "Charlie Loves You".


katie8753 said...
>>>Jimmy I really think that Leslie loved you..for a while.<<<<

Love is just a 4 letter word.

It has no meaning unless its something that comes from within you.

"She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah .... "

Love.

Sure.

Goodnight Guys and Gals.

Peace.

beauders said...

ok katie yes i am a lesbian. have been my whole life and yes i am proud that i am a strong woman who stands up for what i believe in come what may. i have been harassed, yelled at, back handed in the face, and had coffee thrown on me by people who don't approve of who i am. your little rants about gays and lesbians is just an irritant to me. do you hate us because of religious beliefs?

beauders said...

i just don't understand the kind of hatred you have for people you don't know. if someone was beating the crap out of you because you are native american i would do anything i could to protect you, but if someone was stomping me because i'm gay would you help me? i doubt it. as far as you thinking i'm stalking you that is rediculous i'm only responding to what you write.

bobby said...

As a matter of fact, PBS has a video on Youtube that confirms what Charles Manson had said about there being a large body of water at the Devil's hole.

Hippie, I hope you understand that you cant live in that hole.Without artificial life supports.

Also, Charlie didnt invent that body of water or even find it for that matter. Others made him aware of it.

You say i'm hynotise by Bug. What you cant see is how taken in you are by Manson. It's cool to be the rebel but at some point.

Kimchi said...

You're right Lynyrd, it is/was a full moon...and as one of the so called "munchkins", I feel the need to address a few things...

Katie, yes, there are police reports on the Bug beating his mistress AND paperwork regarding him stalking the milkman and his wife because he thought his milkman was the father of his child...it's all posted on Cat's blog...but, I have copies of it too..I will send them to LS...

L/S, as the Admin, be fair! You told Hippie to "be nice", however, you said nothing to Bobby when he called Jim an "idiot"...

Katie is right in that everyone is entitled to an opinion, but personnaly, I don't have tolerance for name calling and here in this state, "Gay Bashing" is illegal - it's considered a hate crime. Whether you meant to do that or not Katie, there were overtones of that in your posts, but that is only my opinion, so who cares.

Lastly, I don't post often because frankly, I don't like the attitudes...if you're not a "Charlie hater", then you are an outcast and not part of the "clique"...

Believe it or not, (in my opinion) the "Mansonites" as you call them are much more peace loving and down to earth than the "in crowd" here... I'm not saying I agree with the "Mansonites", it's strictly an observation and opinion. How do I know? I just do..I don't have to prove it as it is only my opinion.

Kimchi said...

Oh, and when I say "Mansonites" I'm referring to bloggers, not the
"Family" and the convicted murderers...

St. Circumstance said...

Ya know....

The murders didn't start until Linda showed up...

and Tex is the one who did all the actual killing....

and we learned yesterday that I dont know everything...

SO........

Could- maybe - possibly....

he be on to something?????

katie8753 said...

Beauders, I wish you had just said you're gay in the first place, instead of attacking me. This is what I'm talking about.

If I say someone is fat, dumb, freckled, short, tall, etc. and someone has a problem with it, they have to say why.

My only experience with a gay woman was someone I worked with and she tried her best to make my life miserable and get me fired. Why? I don't know.

So if you want to talk about "gay bashing", let's say something about "straight bashing". I know people don't care about that, but when someone is gay and a supervisor, that certain someone shouldn't have the authority to make my life miserable because of my sexual orientation either. That blade swings both ways.

Having said that....I apologize for anything I've said that offended you.

In the future, I won't be saying anything else that would be hurtful to you with regard to sexual orientation.

I just wish you had told me earlier instead of attacking me from behind like you did.

katie8753 said...

Jimmy, I'm glad you stopped by. I hope you do so again.

I don't know about this Star, and as such, I have no right to attack her or defend her. I guess as long as she's not hurting anybody, she has the right to do whatever she wants, as long as she's an adult.

I don't agree with your theories, but what's new? HA HA.

I have the right to my opinion and you have the right to yours.

"I've got one hand in my pocket, and the other one's giving a peace sign". :)

katie8753 said...

Hi Kimchi. Thanks for letting me know there are police reports on Bugliosi attacking and stalking. Please provide those so we can see them.

I don't agree with you that you have to be a "Charlie hater" to post here. I don't hate Charlie...I just don't love him like some people do. I regard him .....well I've already said how I feel about him, won't elaborate now.

I'm not sure who the "Mansonites" are, but I've seen Sandy in action and she's far from loving. My opinion of her is zero.

katie8753 said...

Lynyrd, I don't know if the "full moon" has anything to do with it, but last night was just one of those nights to "get it out of my system".

Maybe sometimes it's good to "clear the air". LOL.

katie8753 said...

St. Circumstance, I personally don't think that Linda Kasabian, who was only in the family one month before the murders occurred, had that much power to persuade Tex to murder people.

Sorry...I just don't buy that. She wasn't that good looking. LOL.

mattprokes said...

can jimmy expand on why he thinks nader watson and kasabian
are at the heart of the murders without going into the devils hole and jesus was an alien stuff?
whats the connection between kasabian watson and nader?besides nader layin up with linda?

as circumstance said a few posts ago the killing did'nt start til linda showed up and tex was the main killer. that makes sense and its a good place to start but where does nader fit into your (jimmys)theory?

drugs are always a good place to start but i've never seen anything connecting nader to the family outside of wanting to get laid by a hitchhiker.

mattprokes said...

not that theres anything wrong with wanting to get laid by a hitchhiker...the sixties must have been fun while they lasted!

mattprokes said...

katie-alot of the stuff about vb stalking and all that are on col. scotts blog also.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

MattP said:
>>>>"can jimmy expand on why he thinks nader watson and kasabian
are at the heart of the murders without going into the devils hole and jesus was an alien stuff?
whats the connection between kasabian watson and nader?besides nader layin up with linda"<<<<

Jim can be a good read, when he stays on-topic.

Trouble is (the last year), he's got this whole other magic show going... which is interesting from a Sci-Fi standpoint, but doesn't add much to the conversation at hand.
It seems he's gone from being distracted by Leslie, to other pursuits (which, I also don't understand).

But yeah... when he stays on-topic, he's got some good ideas worthy of considertion.

There was a great "buuter zone", between the Leslie thing, and the apocolypse, where he was quite a gem! LOLOL

Eh... Jim's awright.

Like they say: "It takes all kinds".

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

MattP said:
>>>>"katie-alot of the stuff about vb stalking and all that are on col. scotts blog also".<<<<

I told her the same thing last night.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

To Katie:

I'm glad this thing between you and Beauders seems to be over.
That's the main goal, from my stand-point... that it's over.

But... I just want you to realise something.

Folks don't have to be gay, to be offended by "gay bashing".

Hateful words based on religion, race, gender, or sexual orientation, can be offensive to those outside of the target group.
It offends everyone really... and, opens the door for more of that behavior.

Beauders is gay... but, she doesn't have to be gay, to have an opinion on that topic, or be offended by those words.

I hope that makes some sense.

mattprokes said...

well he seemed pretty mellow here compared to other places i've seen him fighting with people.
if people can stay calm their points will come across as more reasonable to me and i'll be willing to listen to just about anything(maybe not agree).
just thought he might expand on what he said in the 1st comment of the thread if he comes back without floating into more cosmic areas.

katie8753 said...

Okay Lynyrd, I hear you...loud & clear.

I deleted a lot of my stupid comments. You can delete the others...I don't care.

I guess because I don't really care if someone says something derogatory in regards to my lifestyle, I figure others are the same way.

But....that's not the case.

It's not my goal to hurt anyone's feelings about anything.

So...if I did...I'm sorry.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Bob... I know you mean well...
but, in fairness (as Kimchi said)... please don't call Jim an idiot, unless things escalate, or he calls you names first.

The joys of blog administration.
LOL

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

In the words of Rodney King...

LOLOL

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Typo... sorry folks.

That's "Butter Zone".

NOT... "buuter zone".

LOL

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

When things go too far.

Headline:
"Woman Attacked Because She Looked Like Casey Anthony"!!!

In Oklahoma Yet!!!!

Check it out:

http://xfinity.comcast.net/news/
newswrap/
7874622/womanattackedbecauseshe
lookedlikecaseyanthony/
?cid=hero_media

Katie... were you in Oklahoma?
C'mon... fess-up. LOLOL

katie8753 said...

I don't know why we complicate the motive to this case so much.

It's like you can't see the forest for the trees.

Isn't it possible that Charlie was just pissed off, and had people killed?

Why do we have to invent things....it was Linda, it was Tex, it was Nader, it was "the nanny". HA HA.

Tex wanted to get back at Frykowski & Folger because of something they did to Linda.

Tex wanted to get back at Nader for having sex with Linda.

Come on now!! That's just too far out. Does anyone think that Linda is THAT attractive to kill for??? I don't.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

What's weird... is she does look just like Casey... AND ironically (according to the report)... she ALSO has a daughter named Caylee, as well!

Oklahoma Casey? LOLOL

Twilight Zone...

katie8753 said...

That lady doesn't look like Casey Anthony. How dumb is that?

When Casey does get out, she's gonna have a bullseye on her back. HA HA.

Casey's lawyers are appealing those guilty verdicts for lying to the cops. How dumb is that? It's on videotape after videotape that she lied her ass off.

katie8753 said...

You think she looks like Casey?? She looks older to me.

katie8753 said...

The attorney for "Zanny" is trying to depose Casey today. They had a court date at 8am this morning and the judge just threw his hands up and said "I'm outta here".

The new judge will hear the case at 3pm today. This judge is a woman. She won't be affected by Casey's tears. HA HA.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie said:
>>>"Isn't it possible that Charlie was just pissed off, and had people killed"?<<<<

It's posible.
Again... that's something Leary mentioned a few times, with his "AIG" (Anger-Insanity-Guns) theory.
It makes as much sense as anything else.
Every theory has loopholes.
But, the "bitterness-insanity-knives", "BIK" (as I prefer to call it, LOL) has fewer loopholes, than some motives... due to it's simplicity.

Heck... Leary, why don't you just come down and explain this stuff yourself.
It seems your viewpoints are growing increasingly popular over here. LOL
You might wanna wait till we're sure Jim is definitely gone though.
: )

-------------------------------------------------
Katie said:
>>>>"Come on now!! That's just too far out. Does anyone think that Linda is THAT attractive to kill for??? I don't".<<<<

I don't know... she was a pretty hot piece of ass back in the day. LOLOL

I wouldn't kill for her... but, I might steal! LOLOL
(I'M KIDDING)!!. LOLOL

8/9 baby said...

Wow wow wow wow wow.

It is definitely a full moon, Lynyrd. Tonight actually. It will be giant and beautiful, inspiring, even. Here is my recommendation: if it's a clear night, go outside and enjoy it. Turn off the computer and other gadgets, grab someone you like to hug and/or some things you love to eat/drink/smoke ;) and just enjoy. Come back refreshed, with a renewed sense of humor.

Its a great blog you do here, a great community of people with a real diversity of points of view. As someone who is new at this, and doesn't blog much, I really enjoy being a part of it, but it's good to take a breath sometimes, and get perspective. It's just words and pictures in cyberspace, a place to speak your mind and share your interests. If some take it too seriously, oh well...

Sorry for going "therapist" for a minute - i really can't stop myself even though I'm retired. :)

8/9 baby said...

Ok, yeah. Just read my last post again

I'm a total romantic, bleeding heart sap.

How embarrassing :)

katie8753 said...

Hi 8/9 Baby. Thanks for the advice!

katie8753 said...

For anyone to think that Linda shows up one day and a month later she's "in charge" of everybody and everything is, to me, ridiculous.

Charlie is the one who started this "family" and from all the testimony I've heard, was completely in charge of everything and everyone.

I know that Charlie wanted the girls to implicate Linda during the penalty phase by having them testify that it was all Linda's idea to do a copy cat killing.

Is this where all this reasoning comes from?

That was unbelievable then and it still is.

St. Circumstance said...

Dont worry Katie- I didn't drink the cool -aid...

I only like Coors lite

I am just trying to be open to other peoples ideas for a bit...

look at the same old things from another viewpoint...

Becuase - unless there is nothing new to come- I have been looking at it from my own narrow focused viewpoint ever since I first really got into the facts of the case...

and I am bored with what I already know...

so why not consider something new??

but your right...

Linda was not hot enough to cause all this lol....

nor important enough...

at least I used to think

As the beer gets warmer year ofter year- the cool aid looks colder and colder lol

Ahhhh if not for the thirst to drink from the well of Manson knowledge

lol

katie8753 said...

Hi St. I would be more than willing to be open to new ideas....but they have to make sense to me.

I wouldn't buy it if someone said Sadie was in charge, or Katie was in charge, etc.

I think Charlie was always in charge, but that doesn't mean someone didn't do something "behind his back".

Stick with the beer! LOL.

katie8753 said...

OK this just in. You can buy a Casey Anthony halloween costume for your child this year. HA HA.

Mary said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

8/9 baby said:
>>>>"It will be giant and beautiful, inspiring, even. Here is my recommendation: if it's a clear night, go outside and enjoy it. Turn off the computer and other gadgets, grab someone you like to hug and/or some things you love to eat/drink/smoke ;) and just enjoy. Come back refreshed, with a renewed sense of humor".<<<<

Makes sense to me!

I spent the afternoon in a pool, playing "water basketball" with my 4 nephews!!
LOLOL

Best day I've had in a while!!!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Saint said:
>>>>"Ahhhh if not for the thirst to drink from the well of Manson knowledge".<<<<

AHahahaha
Still the King! : )

"Hello Laverne"!
AHahahaha

katie8753 said...

Well, I heard on the news tonight that some convict is claiming to be Caylee Anthony's father, and he's going to sue Casey for wrongful death.

This guy needs to take a number. HA HA.

katie8753 said...

Hey Mary, where'd you go???

I was gonna say that I saw on HLN that the girl that was attacked did mention something about Casey Anthony.

But with all this media hype, we're going to be hearing a lot of stuff, especially when Casey gets released.

Oh, she's here...she's there...

It's going to be a media circus!!!

Just like this inmate who claims to be Caylee's father. This guy is in his 40's and I'm sure just trying to get some dough.

It's funny, all the guys that Casey has admitted to being Caylee's father have all died in car crashes.

Hmmm.......maybe they should investigate for brake lines being cut.... HA HA.

katie8753 said...

This girl is an amazing liar. If you listen to her, you are convinced that believes it all.

They say she's gonna have to go into hiding, dye her hair, get cosmetic surgery, blah, blah, blah (who's paying for all this anyway), but....since she is narcisistic I don't think she'll lay low for long. She needs to be noticed. It's all ME ME ME ME.

katie8753 said...

Meant to say "convinced that SHE believes it all". DOH!!

katie8753 said...

Well since we're taking a break from Chuckie Manson, I guess I'll ramble on about Casey Anthony.

For a while anyway.

Casey's defense attorney, somebody Cheney, was interviewed after the trial was over, and he was asked if Casey could come stay at his house, since she needed a "safe house".

He just kind of swallowed hard, and put his finger in his shirt, and nervously giggled.

When asked that AGAIN...he said "oh sure, she could stay with me.....briefly".

Then when the curly-haired woman lawyer was interviewed (don't know her name) she was asked "would you have Casey babysit your children".

She said ".....my children are grown".

Then asked "okay what if they were little?"

She replied ".................".

"Okay what if you had grandchildren, would you let Casey babysit them?"

She replied "...................".

Sooooo Casey's defense team, that had a group hug, wouldn't trust her within 20 feet of them.

Now that speaks volumes!!!!

MrPoirot said...

SCTex Watson went up to Cielo Drive to "Settle Things" with Frykowski and Folger on Linda's behalf. The house was to be isolated and searched. The auto
psy reports show that both Folger and Frykowski got the worst of it as they were the reason for the visit to begin with.

Even Susan Atkins Attorney from 1993, Deborah Frazier, made the reference to a drug burn



mr poroit replirs


There was no drug burn . None of the victims did anything to cause their deaths. folger snd frykowski never burned linda

Hippie Scholar said...

MrPoirot said...
>>>>
There was no drug burn . None of the victims did anything to cause their deaths. folger snd frykowski never burned linda<<<<<

This must be comedy hour here at the Skynrd blog.

The victims did nothing to cause their deaths you say?

I suppose that Frykowski and Billy Doyle were just golf buddies.

Whenever i hear stuff like this coming from the Tate Crackheads, I realize that it's an uphill swim every time.

They just will not accept the fact that Frykowski and Folger were involved with drugs and that's more than likely the main reason why Abigail Folgers family basically didn't want the publicity surrounding their daughters death and even went so far as to pay people not to discuss abigail folgers death.

Sorry Poirot, but ya got it all wrong.

Tex didn't climb that telephone pole carry 30lb bolt cutters to isolate that house for shits and giggles. That rope he brought was also just enough to hang 2 pigs. The pigs being folger and frylowski.

I know this Poirot guy from when i used to run my own blog. He's beyond hopeless and he's a Tate worshiping version of one of Jerry's kids.

Remember me bigshot?

I'll play your song for ya to see if it brings back some memories.


The Poirot Ballad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC
7sqImaM


For anyone to blatently come out and say that the victims had nothing to do with their own deaths, at least in the Tate case, is just moronic and deserving of the idiot of the week award.

Have a banana you Tate chimp.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

For the sake of discussion...

Roman on Lie Detector - 8/16/69:

At 50 seconds - 2min. 47secs...

"Jay Sebring may have been invloved in a money thing, drug thing, drug delivery... entangled in some peculiar business. Jay owed his dentist $5400 dollars. That's rather amazing to me, as he was known as a prosperous man. This indicates to me, he must have been in serious financial trouble, despite the appearances that he kept".

At 6mins. 18secs - 6mins. 40 secs....

"Voytek Frykoski had been sniffing Cocaine for two years regularly".

Listen Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kcrwWGHt_6Q

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Abigail's death was squashed completely... I gotta agree with that statement.

Heck... it's impossible to even find a picture of the woman.

katie8753 said...

Jimmy you're wrong as usual. But...you're funny too.

I'm not gonna argue all night.

Gotta get my beauty sleep. HA HA.

Play nice!!!! Purty please!!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie's asking someone else to play nice?

I've seen it all. : )

katie8753 said...

Lynyrd, you can't find many pictures of Abigail (actually you can on one blog) because her family was none too pleased about finding out that she was "hobnobbing with commoners".

Her family was San Francisco/European high society. They were mortified by all the media announcements that her death was due to witchcraft, drugs etc.

Let's don't let her die in vain.

Abigail was a good person. She had quite a bit of money, but volunteered her time to help the indigent.

She didn't deserve her death, and I, quite frankly find it revolting for someone to suggest she did.

Don't read more into it than that.

katie8753 said...

"Katie's asking someone else to play nice?

I've seen it all. : )"

Lynyrd, this is it! I am going to bed. I stayed up way too late last night, and I really don't want to get into a bru-ha-ha again tonight!! HA HA.

NIGHT!

MrPoirot said...

Hippie Scholar said...
MrPoirot said...
>>>>
There was no drug burn . None of the victims did anything to cause their deaths. folger snd frykowski never burned linda<<<<<

This must be comedy hour here at the Skynrd blog.

The victims did nothing to cause their deaths you say?

I suppose that Frykowski and Billy Doyle were just golf buddies.

Whenever i hear stuff like this coming from the Tate Crackheads, I realize that it's an uphill swim every time.

They just will not accept the fact that Frykowski and Folger were involved with drugs and that's more than likely the main reason why Abigail Folgers family basically didn't want the publicity surrounding their daughters death and even went so far as to pay people not to discuss abigail folgers death.

Sorry Poirot, but ya got it all wrong.

Tex didn't climb that telephone pole carry 30lb bolt cutters to isolate that house for shits and giggles. That rope he brought was also just enough to hang 2 pigs. The pigs being folger and frylowski.

I know this Poirot guy from when i used to run my own blog. He's beyond hopeless and he's a Tate worshiping version of one of Jerry's kids.

Remember me bigshot?

I'll play your song for ya to see if it brings back some memories.



mr poirot replies

This is a jewish revisionist named don murphy. He is thee col.

Hippie Scholar said...

mr poirot replies

>>>>This is a jewish revisionist named don murphy. He is thee col.<<<

Oi Vey already.

Seriously Skynyrd, this guy is not only sniffing the stale Tate perfume, but he's also getting high on the HTLB Matza.

Listen - I am NOT Don Murphy and I am NOT Jewish.

I have friends who are Jewish, but I myself am not of the Jewish faith.

I have served in the JIDF as an American volunteer cyber guerilla and have a strong belief in Israel's right to exist. We were the equivalent of the Internet Foreign Legion.

I have assisted Israels nationals in some of their causes.

My ethnicity is "Norweigon, Finlandian, German, Scotch and Irish".

I am NOT "Thee Col" as you have erroneously stated.

At least you're consistant Poirot - You're wrong every time.

MrPoirot said...

Yet you paraphrase him? You use his words exactly.

Hippie Scholar said...

MrPoirot said...

>>>Yet you paraphrase him? You use his words exactly.<<<

That's your opinion.

Besides, there's an old saying that goes, "Great minds think alike" so the Col is in good company.

Michael Channels of the BackporchTapes can confirm my identity.

You're a funny guy Poirot.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I'm sorry folks, but is anyone else following this saga?

The Colonel, believes Poirot is Jim.

Poirot, believes Jim, is the Colonel.

And Jim, believes he knows Poirot, from 4 years ago.

Seriously people, let's get a-hold of ourselves. LOL

#1) Poirot is not Jim.

#2) Jim is DEFINITELY NOT the Colonel.
That one, is so absurd, it's laughable.

Last night, I had Katie bashing Gays (again)!

Tonight... I've got Poirot bashing Jews (again)!

Does anyone know when this full moon is going to end??
'Cuz, I can't take much more!

There's definitely a thread of humor in all this somewhere. LOL

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Poirot... take my word for it.

Jim is definitely not, the Colonel.

MrPoirot said...

I have served in the JIDF as an American volunteer cyber guerilla and have a strong belief in Israel's right to exist. We were the equivalent of the Internet Foreign Legion.

mr poiroit replies":

Fellow
marxist. Antichristian. AntiAmericsn.
Why do you paraphASE the Col?

Because
you both are marxist

MrPoirot said...

Hippie Scholar please use your own thoughes and your own words. Don't let the Col be your brain.

Hippie Scholar said...

Poirot - I have no idea what you're talking about.

Whatever i say *I* say. I copy nobody.

As for my political views, in the past i've always kept those rather private, but I did make some of that known. That's my business and nobody else's.

You seem to have this mental fetish that i slip into the Don Murphy sockpuppet but, as Skynyrd has said, that's not the case.

Besides, the Col has a hot supermodel wife and I don't.

I really don't know where you're coming from with this, but i think you should rethink some of your suspicions.

MrPoirot said...

Lynyrd why is hippie scholar paraphrasing the col? He's using the col's exact words. Hippie scholar you lack a personality. The col is your vicarious being.


ive already given the Col my address and informed him Ill meet him man to man. Col! You pussy marxist. Either put up or shut up. You attack me om three blogs. Boy I will meet you in person. I'll pound your three chin face.

Hippie Scholar said...

MrPoirot, seriously, you need to stop letting your paranoia get to you.

I just posted here only the other day for the first time since skynyrd started his blog.

The full moon must be causing tidal waves in your head Poirot ... oh wait, i hope the Col hasn't said that.

MrPoirot said...

Hipir Scholar jeust shut the fuck up. You copy thCol's words and then demand individuality. Fuck you ass licker.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Poirot...
Take my word for it... Jim is NOT the Colonel... period.

I've communicated with Jim for years... on-blog, AND off.
You're just being paranoid now... and you're digging an un-necessary hole for yourself.

I strongly suggest, that you "click" the little trash can, at the very bottom left of your previous post.
That will allow you to delete your comment.

I'm seriously trying to help you... but, if you refuse to take my word, or my help... you're on your own.

I want no part of this going forward.

Hippie Scholar said...

MrPoirot

Listen to this and get a grip on yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=KCsESB3opl4

MrPoirot said...

lynyrd hippir scholar is copying the col ver batim.

MrPoirot said...

hippie scholar you are sucking the col'sdick.

Hippie Scholar said...

MrPoirot

Copy This .....
Listen to the words of Dr. Michael Savage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=lfQSYizpSQI

MrPoirot said...

go suck thr jew col's dick

Hippie Scholar said...

MrPoirot

Your behavior on this blog is reprehensible.

You should be ashamed of yourself and your racist dribble.

Get used to hearing this song fellow, you're going to hear it quite a bit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suVB
3YGIUk0

MrPoirot said...

sorry but I dont listen to radio crap.Jews hate neocons. Thus I know you are a jew. You lied

Hippie Scholar said...

Poirot - You hate jews because your soul is poisoned.

I am not Jewish nor would i be ashamed of that if i were.

You are a textbook example of why society must be purged of people who don't fit the social blueprint for the new world socialist movement.

Your antisemitic hatred should be expunged from the world body.

Hippie Scholar said...

Poirot - "Neo-Con" is just another word for FASCIST.

The Red Army made bitches out of those Fascist losers during World War II.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br3
eKh4VgP0

MrPoirot said...

you are antichristian. You are marxist. You are antiAmerican.

Hippie Scholar said...

Poirot .........

Sing with me .....

"ALL WE ARE SAYING, IS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE"


Goodnight to you sir.

MrPoirot said...

go suck the col's dick.

MrPoirot said...

http://www.morningstartv.com/oak-initiative/marxism-america

Hippie Scholar said...

Back at ya, Comrade Poirot.

They're playing your song again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=dfdZWUD9JF0

I love parades, don't you?

katie8753 said...

Mr. P., when did you devolve into a person whose only comeback is accusing someone of being Jewish or a sockpuppet? You used to have some pretty good arguments. Whaasssuppp?

Personally I love the Jews. The funniest comedians we've ever had the pleasure of knowing are Jewish.

The Three Stooges, The Marx Brothers, Woody Allen, Neil Simon, Mel Brooks, Larry David, Jerry Seinfeld, Ben Stiller....and many more.

Jimmy is NOT the Col. And Jimmy is not you.

katie8753 said...

Jimmy, I've been accused of being the Col. too. I guess if you're going to be accused of being somebody, it might as well be him. I think he's funny sometimes.

Just kidding. It's not fun to be accused of being anyone but yourself. That's a blow beneath the belt, and it's just too easy to do.

But...people aren't stupid. Most people know who is who.

mattprokes said...

i think we're past the full moon stage when you have to tell people that they're not someone else!
really guys get a grip on yourselves...whoever you are.

FrankM said...

You really couldn't make it up. But the jew baiting and fag bashing does leave a nasty taste in the mouth.

What do you hope to achieve by these tirades, Monsieur P, other than getting yourself detested by people on every blog you post on?

Just for the record, I am not Savage aka delete delete, JimNY, Hippie Scholar, etc.; I am not Salem/Wheat from the glory days of the Col's blog; I am not the Col or Don Murphy; I am not gay or Jewish (although would be happy to be so if I were, if you get my drift); and I am not anyone's sock. And I don't think I'm M. Poirot, but these days I guess I can't be too sure.

I am

FrankM

mattprokes said...

franks right-you can disagree with people without bashing sexual or religious preferences,its got nothing to do with the subject at hand and it makes people ignore whatever good points you raise.

Marliese said...

>>>>Salindar Nader is the missing key that shows a connection to Linda's role at the Tate house and her being in the car enroute to the LaBianca residence.

Tex Watson went up to Cielo Drive to "Settle Things" with Frykowski and Folger on Linda's behalf. The house was to be isolated and searched. The autopsy reports show that both Folger and Frykowski got the worst of it as they were the reason for the visit to begin with.<<<<<



Nothing factual has been offered substantiating the idea that Salindar Nader was anything more than just some guy that picked up Linda Kasabian and had sex with her.

The autopsy reports show that Voytek and Abigail got it the worst because, as the crime scene reports tell us, their bodies were found outside...they ran, they fought the hardest, they didn't die until the last bit of breath was beaten and stabbed out of them. Steven was executed on sight, Jay nearly the same...the moment he protested, shot. Sharon was held in place and stabbed to death in the heart.

Without corroborating evidence, these ideas are nothing more than conjecture.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Thank You Marliese, for bringing us back to the main topic, and the purpose of the blog.

Listening to Gay and Jewish insults, and entertaining people's personal feuds, is not why we meet here, as friends.

Thank You Marliese.

Hippie Scholar said...

Here's a special little tune that will make Mr Poirot feel all warm and fuzzy inside:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA78
QCEgmy0

Someone should make a music video for this one. There's a good project for Mr Poirot to work on.

katie8753 said...

Marliese, I agree with you.

If Frykowski was Tex and Abigail were Tex's "main victims" why did Tex tell Susan to kill Frykowski, and have Pat kill Abigail. They only reason that wasn't accomplished was because Susan & Pat couldn't get it done, and good ole baby-killin' Tex mowed everyone down and shot, stabbed and pistol whipped.

Sharon was stabbed 16 times. That's a lot of stab wounds for someone who "wasn't even supposed to be there".

I don't think Nader was an important part of this case. I don't think that Bugliosi ignored it on purpose, it just wasn't that important because murder didn't occur.

Hippie Scholar said...

Marliese said...

>>>
Salindar Nader was anything more than just some guy that picked up Linda Kasabian and had sex with her. <<<

Exactly Marlese ... That's what i'm trying to say. His death made no sense whatsoever unless someone was very upset that Linda gave it up to a Jew.

Linda spared his life because she liked the guy and didn't want to see him dead like Frykowski.

What crazy a$$hole would have wanted this guy dead? The same a$$hole who pounded the sh*t out of Voyteck Frykowski - Mr Tex Watson.

LaBianca had to go down FIRST because this was the business at hand. These people were expected to return from Lake Isabella and that's why the drive around LA took approximately 4 hours.

Mr Watson was handling that one but, while he was entertaining the LaBiancas, the others were to visit Mr Nader at Mr Watson's request.

There's your connection as far as Linda's involvement goes. Tate was NOT a race war related event. As i've said, the only word written anywhere on that property was the word "PIG" and that was on the outside part of the front door and was done as the group was already leaving the property.

Had Watson not told Susan to go back and leave something, NOTHING would have been left at that house in terms of bloody writing.

Even when the group returned later on, nothing was written in blood. Bodies were moved and a search was made.

I've said that Tate was not a Charles Manson event. It was 100% Tex Watson.

Manson knew that Tex was going to take care of business, but even he wasn't expecting what actually went down.

Manson told Geraldo Rivera that when Susan came back and told him about what had happened that his exact words to her were, "You dumb cunt, you just sent me back to prison".

Tex obviously carried things too far; No surpise there.

Vince or Steve Kay won't touch Salindar Nader with a 10 foot pole and you can see why.

Had the death of Salindar Nader actully occurred, how do you think it would have played out? Would his home been dressed up to look like blacks did it?

Probably not. It would probably just have the look of a random murder/robbery and probably would never have been linked to LaBianca.

Think about that.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Bob, if you're around, check your e-mail.
Thanks...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Jim,

I have a question for you.

If Nader was (in fact) murdered... it may have "muddied" the Helter Skelter motive for Bugliosi.

If Nader was killed, it would complicate things, and maybe make the HS motive harder to believe, and harder to sell... depending how the Nader murder went down, and what was, or wasn't left at the scene.

I'll drink some of that wine with you.

So let's start by assuming for a minute, that Nader was killed, and it totally blows the HS motive, out of the water.
Let's just assume that.

My question:
The Nader murder may have successfully negated the Helter Skelter motive... but, how does it (from there) implicate Tex for certain?
That's the part, I don't understand.

Why would Tex be so "in-love" with Linda (specifically) in such a short time?

Wasn't Tex banging all the hotties?

Wasn't everyone having sex with everyone else?

What is it about Linda specifically, that would have Tex so "posessive" in such a short time?

Wasn't Linda having sex with other men at the ranch, anyway?

OR...
Are you suggestiing, that Tex was a Jew-Hater, and that was the catalyst??

Are you saying that Tex was 'in-love" with Linda, or that he hated Jews?
or Both?

Is there any concrete evidence that Tex was anti-semitic???

Wasn't Gypsy half Jewish??

Tex didn't seem to have any problem having Gypsy around.

I'm not seeing it.

Is there any real proof, that Tex loved Linda that passionately... or hated jews that passionately? ... or both?

I'm not seeing that portion of it.

Hippie Scholar said...

LynyrdSkynyrd Saturday Night Matinee ....

Now Playing ....

"Perversion for Profit (1965)"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7
AMvnU1uqxI

Pull up a chair and marvel at this cinematic masterpiece of social morality.

katie8753 said...

Jimmy, this is laughable.

So you're saying that Tex turned "Jew-Hater" because of Linda, whom he had only known a month, and was planning to "rain fire" on the Jews, but the only one of the 7 killed at TLB that was Jewish was Frykowski.

Now that's "missing the mark". HA HA.

And suddenly Tex is in charge of everything, and poor little ole Charlie is muttering to himself in some corner.

That's the most insane theory I've heard yet.

There is no evidence that Tex was in charge of anything. That Tex and Linda had any bond whatsoever. That Tex is the one who decided Linda should go.

Keep making stuff up. Gets better and better all the time!! LOL.

katie8753 said...

Manson was always in charge, from the beginning. That never stopped.

I know that he's trying to convince people that NONE of this was his idea, but it just isn't true.

I thought you were smarter than that Jimmy. :)

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie,

I'm pretty sure, Jim's saying that Tex orchestrated the "Nader" situation, due to anti-semitism... not the Tate situation.

katie8753 said...

During the trial, Charlie thought they would beat the rap. Why wouldn't they? They always had in the past. Why would this be different?

There's no way Bugliosi is going to connect him to these crimes. He's been as clean as he can, never laying a hand on anyone. He would gladly have let his band of hippies go to the death chamber, knowing that they couldn't touch him.

When the guilty verdict came in, suddenly it wasn't funny anymore. He told the girls to testify that it was all Linda's idea. Why not? She testified against them. She's a squealer.

Since the time that Charlie was convicted, up until now, he has always tried to maintain that he never told anyone to do anything. Why? I guess he thought that maybe he'd get out. I don't know. But he's lying.

And BTW, Tex Watson had NOTHING to do with the Hinman murder. Nothing.

So....how is he in charge???

Hippie Scholar said...

Skynyrd,

Linda was at the ranch only a very short time, but she was very much a large part of Tex's little drug ventures which Susan Atkins was also a part of.

In fact, they were a pretty tight-knit group.

Linda have Tex the $5000 that she had stolen from her ex-husbands roommate; a fact that Vincent Bugliosi managed to keep out at the time of the trials because it would have shown that Linda had an alterior motive for coming to Spahn.

Charles Manson himself has said many times that he didn't even remember seeing Linda that much. He told that to Geraldo as well.

So Linda was very much a larger part of Tex's world than she was Charlie's.

Linda had sex with whoever she wanted to and sometimes whoever she was told to.

It's important to remember just how wreckless Tex Watson was at the time that he burned Lottsapoppa. He left his girlfriend as collateral and she would have been murdered had Charles Manson not personally intervened.

The irony here is that Charles Manson actually ended up saving that girls life but at the cost of having to shoot Lottsapoppa.

This was a Tex Watson mess that Charles Manson got sucked into. Remember that because people are under the false impression that Charles Manson was in control of everything at all times when he really wasn't.

Linda Kasabian was a part of Tex Watson's world. Both he and Susan, along with Linda, were doing their own thing prior to the Tate mess.

If i remember correctly, Linda Kasabian said nothing bad about Tex Watson when Larry King brought up the subject and even smiled at one point with Vince sitting right next to her.

Naturally Larry King never asked Linda Kasabian what she thought about Salindar Nader.

Like Mr Poirot would say, "JEW" is just a 3 letter word. Then again, so is TEX.

This is where the story begins Lynyrd.

A little unknown Israeli actor who nobody ever really came to know was marked for death on the very same night as the LaBianca Murders.
The guy was a nobody, but he made one mistake, and that was that he stuck his jewish pickle into a girl that Tex Watson was fond of.

Only the night before, Tex whacked the crap out of Voyteck Frykowski in a rage of anger where Linda herself approached a stumbling and dying Frykowski and says to him, "I'm so sorry".

Imagine that, a guilty conscience.

So Linda gets taken out on the next night with absolutely no intention of participating in Labianca because there was an alternate destination that was planned for her at tex's insistance.

Tex has claimed that "The Girls" helped him get over his sexual issues and one of those girls was named Linda Kasabian.

It's too bad that Tex didn't meet Linda prior to meeting Marina Habe.

So the story goes.

katie8753 said...

>>>Lynyrd said: Katie,

I'm pretty sure, Jim's saying that Tex orchestrated the "Nader" situation, due to anti-semitism... not the Tate situation.>>>

Yes but Lynyrd, if Tex is suddenly "anti-semitic", and Frykowski is a Jew, why is that discounted in 7 murders during TLB?

IF....the new theory for motive is anti-semitism, why kill six gentiles??? Doesn't make sense. And the only "other Jew" (Nader) got away. I guess Nader is Jewish, I don't even know. I think he's Lebanese.

So if your goal is to kill "Jews" and you only killed 1 out of 7, what kind of goal is that????

Jimmy needs to clarify this "anti-semitism" theory. :)

Hippie Scholar said...

Katie8753 -

I never said Frykowski was Jewish but Nader was.

katie8753 said...

Jimmy, Frykowski was Jewish. Read up on it.

Hippie Scholar said...

Katie8753 -

Don't know for sure if Nader was born in Lebanaon but even Steven Kay referred to Nader as an Israeli Actor.

Did he move to Israel? I don't know but the bottom line is that the guy banged Linda and it was enough of an issue where Tex wanted him dead.

Do you play the anti-semitism card here? I can't say for sure but it's possible.

In any case, Nader was an important enough event to be performed right after Labianca and it involved Linda Kasabian.

Perhaps one of the historians out there can do a check on the ethnicity of Nader and confirm his place of birth.

Hippie Scholar said...

I'm not a researcher.

That's a topic for your members if they care to inspect it.

I'd rather have someone knowledgeable along those lines examine that possibiity.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

For the sake of discussion...

Let's assume for a minute that Crowe was completely Tex's thing... and Manson got implicated erroneously - by association.
(which I agree).


Let's also assume, you can prove that both Tate and Nader, were also Tex's doing... drug and jewish pickle respectively. LOL
(I'm not totally sold... but, let's press ahead).

You've now got Manson completely off the hook...

But, what about LaBianca?
I believe Manson entered the house, and tied Mr. Labianca.

How is Tex now responsible for LaBianca?

Hippie Scholar said...

Nader is what it is.

It had to occur AFTER Labianca and it involved Linda Kasabian.

Linda was never selected to participate in LaBianca.

Watson was in charge at both LaBianca and at Tate and Linda, in both cases, played some kind of a subserviant role to tex's actions.

That much of it, i'd say we can agree upon.

katie8753 said...

>>>Jimmy said: Linda have Tex the $5000 that she had stolen from her ex-husbands roommate; a fact that Vincent Bugliosi managed to keep out at the time of the trials because it would have shown that Linda had an alterior motive for coming to Spahn.>>>

Bugliosi did mention that Linda gave the $5000 that she stole from her ex-husband to Tex.

>>>Charles Manson himself has said many times that he didn't even remember seeing Linda that much. He told that to Geraldo as well.

So Linda was very much a larger part of Tex's world than she was Charlie's.>>>

Well...Charles saw her on the night he drove around to the LaBiancas. And when he drove her to kill Nader. That's a fact. He admitted it. He can lie on "Geraldo" all he wants.

>>>So Linda gets taken out on the next night with absolutely no intention of participating in Labianca because there was an alternate destination that was planned for her at tex's insistance.>>>

Uh-hem. It was Charlie that drove her to Nader's house...not Tex.

>>>Tex has claimed that "The Girls" helped him get over his sexual issues and one of those girls was named Linda Kasabian.>>>

Jimmy, pray tell....where did you read this? I've not heard it. I'm gonna be a hardass and ask you to prove it.

And please don't say "cuz Charlie said". HA HA.

katie8753 said...

>>>Jimmy said: Do you play the anti-semitism card here? I can't say for sure but it's possible.>>>

WHAT??? Not sure what that means. YOU are the one who said Tex was "Anti-semitic", not me.

katie8753 said...

>>>Jimmy said: Linda was never selected to participate in LaBianca.>>>

Yeah...we know that. It was CHARLIE'S idea!!! Not Tex's.

Hippie Scholar said...

Skynyrd,

You need to break off LaBianca from the rest of the Helter Skelter puzzle.

It's not a related event.

This was something that Manson got involved in, along with Watson, and involved other parties that were known to both.

My personal belief as to why the LaBianca's were murdered is due to the business dealings of the LaBianca's. There was the Gateway Markets, The Carriage Boutique, Rosemary's amazing stock picking abilities, Leno's Gambling ... more than enough to raise a few flags.

Somebody wanted them dead.

Irregardless of who that somebody actually was, the murders of the LaBianca's themselves was a coordinated event; someone on the outside and someone on the inside.

Somebody was keep track of when the LaBiancas were coming home from Lake Isabella and, during this time, we have our ficticious 4 hour drive around LA scenario where Linda Kasabian was sitting in the car, along with the others, waiting to go visit Salindar Nader later on that evening once the primary destination was in play.

Tex Watson, starting with the Lottsapoppa incident, and then the subsequent drug dealings with Susan and Linda, was pretty much working on doing his own thing. That was obvious.

Charles Manson was not in control of what went on all the time. People were showing up at the ranch that manson actually complained about because they were looking for Watson and company. That we know is a fact.

What we don't know is what was the payoff for snuffing LaBianca? and who was going to get a cut of that?

Charles Manson was not going to get his hands dirty. he knew better than that. Enter Tex Watson.

So Tex Watson leads the assault team to Labianca while Manson takes a secondary unit out to visit Nader.

Again, Manson had no intention of getting his hands dirty with Nader. Kasabian, Atkins and Grogan were going to handle that one as confirmed by Steven Kay in Susan Atkins 1993 parole hearing.

Hippie Scholar said...

katie8753 said...

>>>
Uh-hem. It was Charlie that drove her to Nader's house...not Tex.<<<

Tex was at Labianca, Charlie, Atkins, Kasabian and Grogan drove to look for Nader. I never said Tex drove looking for Nader.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>Tex has claimed that "The Girls" helped him get over his sexual issues and one of those girls was named Linda Kasabian.>>>


Jimmy, pray tell....where did you read this? I've not heard it. I'm gonna be a hardass and ask you to prove it.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

If i remember correctly, this statement was made to Bill Nelson by Barbara Hoyt during an interview that he had with her in the late 90's i believe.

katie8753 said...

Jimmy, if Tex was soooooo interested in killing Nader, and he was soooooo in charge of everyone, including Charlie...then why didn't TEX order Charlie out at the LaBianca home to chop, carve, write, eat, drink and be merry, and Tex drive off in the old clunker to take his beloved Linda to Nader's apartment? HUHH??????

Then Tex and Linda could have killed Nader together. Wouldn't that be nice???

Now, if Tex was in charge, like you SAY....why didn't TEX tell Charlie to get his ass out of the car and go in and kill the LaBiancas with Leslie & Pat, and he could drive off in a Nirvana state with his beloved Linda and have ectasy. Or...as you worded it...he had some sexual problems that Linda cured. HA HA.

That girl must have been amazing. She knew when to scream and when to just keep quiet. LOL.

Yeah...Tex was really in charge.

Manson told HIM to go kill. Not the other way around.

Jimmy, you need to read up on this. Even if someone stole your brain, you can't steal ours, because we KNOW what happened, and you can't re-write it.

katie8753 said...

>>>Jimmy said: Jimmy, pray tell....where did you read this? I've not heard it. I'm gonna be a hardass and ask you to prove it.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

If i remember correctly, this statement was made to Bill Nelson by Barbara Hoyt during an interview that he had with her in the late 90's i believe.>>


Oh...okay. I haven't seen that. Can you find it?

Hippie Scholar said...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

>>>
You've now got Manson completely off the hook...<<<

Not at all.

Manson had nothing to do with Tate.

As was the case with Bernard Crowe, Manson got sucked into something that somebody else screwed up on.

Did Manson know that Tex was going to go up to Cielo and take care of business with Frykowski? Yes

He also knew about Bobby going over to take care of business with Hinman.

What other people did, or had to do, was essentially on them as Manson has said many times.

The irony here is that other people having screwed up what they wanted to do sucked Manson into having to try and clean up the mess.

In all 3 events, Bernard Crowe, Hinman and Tate, it was another persons f*ckup that led to Manson's personal involvement.

That's Fact.

But, what about LaBianca?
I believe Manson entered the house, and tied Mr. Labianca.

Yes he did and he didn't deny that.

I remember him telling Geraldo that he got the drop on the LaBianca's and tied them up. Apparently, for whatever reason, they didn't resist.

Hippie Scholar said...

katie8753 said...

>>>
If i remember correctly, this statement was made to Bill Nelson by Barbara Hoyt during an interview that he had with her in the late 90's i believe.>>


Oh...okay. I haven't seen that. Can you find it?
<<<<


I'll check and see what i have on disk. I copied various audio files from that interview.

The Barbara Hoyt disks themselves i gave to Joel Bagley who is a friend of Michael Channels of the backporchtapes.

I'll check for you. I'm sure i have the clip somewhere.

Hippie Scholar said...

katie8753 said...

>>>>
Jimmy, you need to read up on this. Even if someone stole your brain, you can't steal ours, because we KNOW what happened, and you can't re-write it.
<<<<

Katie, you're buying into the fantasy that Charlie was in charge of everyone at all times when that wasn't true.

People would come and go from Spahn Ranch all of the time.

Tex Watson would leave and come back.

The Bernard Crowe incident, all by itself, shows that Charles Manson was not in control of what his people did.

If anything, Tex was out of control at that time.

You had absolute strangers dropping by the range looking to do business with Tex and Manson actually got pissed off because he didn't want the cops sniffing around when there stolen cars on the property.

Secondly, you had shorty shea who wasn't exactly open to all of the goings on that was happening there.

Watson was bringing unncessary attention to Spahn.

Those are Facts.

katie8753 said...

>>>Jimmy said: I'll check and see what i have on disk. I copied various audio files from that interview.

The Barbara Hoyt disks themselves i gave to Joel Bagley who is a friend of Michael Channels of the backporchtapes.

I'll check for you. I'm sure i have the clip somewhere.>>>

Thanks Jimmy, I'd appreciate that.

But you didn't answer my question on if Tex was in charge, why didn't he order Manson in to kill the LaBiancas and he drove off in the sunset with his new "love" Linda.

You know...I'm not a man, but I have heard about "new pussy".

Men are funny creatures. A woman can get a man to do just about anything if she tries hard enough with the promise of "new pussy".

Think about it...won't you?

Maybe Linda was mad at Nader for some reason. I don't know.

HA HA.

In any event, you want to blame this all on Tex, and I maintain that Charlie was always in charge.

Maybe Charlie wasn't in charge of Linda????

Hmmmm.......

Hippie Scholar said...

katie8753 said...

>>>>
But you didn't answer my question on if Tex was in charge, why didn't he order Manson in to kill the LaBiancas and he drove off in the sunset with his new "love" Linda.
<<<<


I never said that Tex was in charge, as in "In charge of the group" at Spahn.

Tex Watson had some kind of a drug enterprise going which involved both Susan Atkins and Linda Kasabian. I don't know for sure if Larry Bailey was part of this but he was friends with Linda and was alleged to have had a thing for her. Remember that Larry Bailey gave Linda his knife to use that night that the group went up to Cielo Drive.

Pat Krenwinkel, who used to help with the children in the old trailer, was also friends with Linda and was tapped for that first visit to Cielo.

Everyone who went up to Cielo that night had some kind of close association to Linda Kasabian.

That's a fact.

Hippie Scholar said...

katie8753 said...

>>>>>
You know...I'm not a man, but I have heard about "new pussy".

Men are funny creatures. A woman can get a man to do just about anything if she tries hard enough with the promise of "new pussy".

Think about it...won't you?
<<<<

No Comment.

I will say this though ... there's an old saying that goes,

"The head with 1 eye has no conscience".

On a sexual level, Linda Kasabian as she was back in the day, does nothing for me. She doesn't look to me like she's the hottest lay in LA.

Would i kill for her?

No, probably not.

Would a guy who has repressed sexual issues kill for her?

I'd like to put that question to Marina Habe, but i can't.

Watch the Alfred Hitchcock Movie called "Frenzy".

Charles Manson as Ian Blaney and Tex Watson as the repressed sexual nutjob.

That's HTLB in a nutshell.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I have a lot to say... but, I'm fading fast.

I've gotta get to bed early tonight.

Here's what I think:

Crowe is obvious.
Tex-drugs-money-female hostage-Manson (implicated by association), to the rescue. LOL

Hinman... drugs or money... one or the other.

Shea... they wanted him off their back... they wanted to shut him up.

-------------------------------------------

Now Tate and Labianca.

Every motive theory I've ever heard... from anyone... fits roughly into one of these 4 categories.

Theory 1)
You can believe the Helter Skelter theory straight-up.
Manson believed it... they all believed it... they acted on it.

Theory 2)
You can believe Manson preached Helter Skelter as a rouge, to control everyone... but never believed it himself... and then, used it, to have them kill folks, out of his bitterness.
A variation of the "AIG" or "BIK" theory.
Bitterness-insanity-knives.

Theory 3)
You can assume Helter Skelter was preached to everyone as a rouge... and only a select few "family" members knew the 'real business".
The real business, is that Tate was a drug situation, and LaBianca was a contracted hit, because of Leno's debt.

Theory 4)
Forget Helter Skelter altogether, and assume Tate was a drug burn, and laBianca was a contracted hit, due to Leno's debt.

I could be completely full of shit... but, I believe every theory I've ever heard from anyone... can be roughly squeezed into one of those 4 categories, with slight variation.
Every theory, is a spin-off, or variation of those four.

Step right up folks... pick a number, from one to four!! LOLOL

katie8753 said...

>>>Jimmy said: I never said that Tex was in charge, as in "In charge of the group" at Spahn.>>>

Well, you can't be in charge part of the time, and not in charge part of them time.

Either you're in charge...or you're not in charge....

Which is it?

Hippie Scholar said...

Here's a great scene where the guy goes home to relax right after committing a murder.

Shades of Tex Watson and Marina Habe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq_3
J68ab_M

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I will agree with you on one count Jim.

The "Crowe Incident", clearly demonstrates, (at least on that one occasion), that Tex was capable of acting on his own, regarding a drug-related venture.
(a drug-related venture, which he f#cked-up)

It also clearly demonstrates, that Charlie was implicated after-the-fact, by Tex's drug dealings.

This does suggest... it could happen again.

It IS possible that Tex could have acted on his own (again)... dealt in drugs (again)... f#cked-up (again), and implicated Manson after-the-fact... again.

Everyone's gotta give you that much.

It DID happen once... who's to say, it didn't happen a second time (regarding Tate)?

Something to think about...

katie8753 said...

Jimmy, I think that after Tex got thru killin', he just went "home" and fell down on a dirty mattress and went into zombie sleep. HA HA.

Speaking of dirty mattresses, I'll bet those stank. Can you imagine sleeping on a mattress that 100's of people have boinked on without sheets and no one cleaned it up?

Talk about come stains. (The best part of Casey Anthony. HA HA.)

GROSSS!!!!!

Jimmy, it's getting late here. I'm going to bed. I'll talk/argue with you tomorrow. Yawn!!!

katie8753 said...

Ooh this:

>>Jimmy said: I will say this though ... there's an old saying that goes,

"The head with 1 eye has no conscience".>>>

HA HA HA HA HA. that's soooo true!!! LOL.

beauders said...

just to let you all know casey anothony is a free woman--she was released at 12:10am florida time or an hour and a half ago.

Hippie Scholar said...

Skynyrd ...

Just to give you a background on some of the sexual habits of Mr Tex Watson, i had come across some interesting pieces of testimony that i'd like you to read.

The more you examine the "Habits" of Mr Watson, the more you will begin to discover that the murder trail basically starts and ends with him and not Manson.


ARTICLE # 1

http://www.charliemanson.com/docume
nts/testimony-kasabian-5.htm


Linda Kasabian Testimony
Manson-Atkins-Krenwinkel-Van Houten Trial Testimony


Linda Kasabian cross-examined by Paul Fitzgerald (July 31, 1970):


Q: What sort of activity did you engage in during the day of July 5th?

A: Well, first I will have to explain to you the night of July 4th.

Q: You may do so.

A: Okay. I met Tex, and Tex took me into a dark shed, shack, whatever you want to call it,
and he made love to me, which was an experience that I had never had before.

Q: You had never had sexual intercourse before?

A: No. I am saying that the experience I had in making love with Tex was a total experience,
it was different.


ARTICLE # 2

http://www.charliemanson.com/docume
nts/testimony-mallett.htm

From the Jeanne Mallett Testimony - Direct examination by Mr Bugliosi

Q: Did you have sexual intercourse with Mr Watson before he came out to California or was this the first
time you had ever had sexual intercourse with him?

A: I'd say this was the first time we had ever had sexual intercourse, but there had been sexual
relations before.

Q: Did you notice any difference in Tex, from a sexual standpoint, since you had last seen him?

A: He was rather animalistic, I would say. I don't know, it was strange.

Q: Was he kind of aggressive?

A: Yes

Q: Vigourous?

A: Yes


NOTE: If you go to the Charliemanson.com website and do a search on the words "Tex Sexual" you will get a list of articles that goes into the sex life of Mr Watson.

This guy is right out of a Hitchcock movie. He's definetly a "Mr Rusk" type.

Marina Habe never survived the affections of Tex Watson.

Hippie Scholar said...

I'm also looking through my audios to locate the segment where Barbara Hoyt claims that "The Girls" helped Tex get over her sexual issues.

I did find the piece where Barbara Tells Bill Nelson that Linda Kasabian and Susan Atkins were "Close".

just go back and read up on just how mezmarized Linda Kasabian was with Tex sexually.

Told ya .... old Binro was right.

This confirms my statement about how everyone who had gone up to Cielo drive basically had a close association or connection to Linda kasabian. This includes Larry Bailey who gave Linda his knife to use on that night.

Also, i found the audio where Bill Nelson claims that TJ said that Tex was the one who did all of the killings and that Manson wasn't involved in it.

So what we have here is a dynamic shift away from Manson, who Bugliosi was told to convict, to Watson who was running his own game and who himself was a deviant sexual predator who obviously wanted Salindar Nader dead.

The pieces are staring to come together.

I'll put up the audio links later today.

beauders said...

nader was lebanese and most likely he was/is a christian. he was not jewish.

MrPoirot said...

HIPPIE SCHOLAR SAID:


I have served in the JIDF as an American volunteer cyber guerilla and have a strong belief in Israel's right to exist. We were the equivalent of the Internet Foreign Legion.

I have assisted Israels nationals in some of their causes


MR POIROT REPLIES:

Yes I can easily see your marxist leanings. This links you ideologically to the Col's ideology and his propensity for revisionism. Marxism is very comfortable with their antichristian, antiAmerican rhetoric yet denies christian americans the same right to voice their ideology. If you can punch me with bare knuckles then I can retaliate with bare knuckles. Yet you feel I must use gloves because PC is the unwriitten law in America. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

katie8753 said...

>>>Beauders said: just to let you all know casey anothony is a free woman--she was released at 12:10am florida time or an hour and a half ago.>>>

I woke up this morning thinking about that bitch being free to make money off the little girl she murdered. It made me sick to my stomach.

I do know in my heart that she will not get away with it. She may not spend her life in a physical prison, but she won't get away with it. Her life will be far from "Bella Vita".

Her "defense team" can only do so much now. She's free to be rid of them any time she wants. The "cash cow" they are trying to desperately to hang onto her coattails will kick them off with no more feeling than she had when she threw her daughter's lifeless body in the swamp, or no more feeling when she cast her own family under the bus to get out, and now wants nothing to do with them.

katie8753 said...

>>>Jimmy said (in regard to Linda Kasabian's testimony)

A: No. I am saying that the experience I had in making love with Tex was a total experience,
it was different.>>>

Oh, he must have used the counter clockwise swirl at the end. HA HA HA.

katie8753 said...

>>>Jimmy said: I'm also looking through my audios to locate the segment where Barbara Hoyt claims that "The Girls" helped Tex get over her sexual issues.>>>

Did you mean "get over HIS sexual issues?"

Well, Charlie shoulda just told him to think about his Daddy. Or maybe in this case, he should think about his mama. That's what he did for the girls. That mighta done the job. LOLOL.

katie8753 said...

>>>Beauders said: nader was lebanese and most likely he was/is a christian. he was not jewish.>>>

Okay Jimmy, Nader wasn't Jewish. So please explain your jew-hate motive for Tex in charge.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Jim...

I've had some time to process the conversation. LOL

Your theory that Tex was the main "envoy" between the two camps... (Tate and the "family"), regarding drugs... and that Tate was "Tex's thing"... is a concept I'm willing to entertain.
It has some merit.
Tex + drugs = Tate... I'll give that some creedence.
Partly because...
Tex + drugs = Crowe.

But, to suggest that Tex was also in-charge regarding LaBianca and Nader, by way of association with Kasabian... that's pretty tenuous.

Marliese said...

katie8753 said...>>>>>>>>
>>>Beauders said: just to let you all know casey anothony is a free woman--she was released at 12:10am florida time or an hour and a half ago.>>>

I woke up this morning thinking about that bitch being free to make money off the little girl she murdered. It made me sick to my stomach. <<<<<<<<<<<<


There are reports the suv that picked her up at the jail drove to an airport where she was seen boarding a Lear Jet that took off for Columbus, Ohio. I don't know if that's been confirmed, but if so, i'd be curious to know who leased the jet...probably Baez.

katie8753 said...

>>>Marliese said: There are reports the suv that picked her up at the jail drove to an airport where she was seen boarding a Lear Jet that took off for Columbus, Ohio. I don't know if that's been confirmed, but if so, i'd be curious to know who leased the jet...probably Baez.>>>

Yeah Marliese I was wondering who is footing the bill for this baby-killer to "get away". Casey owes Jose & Co. a lot of money for her defense. I guess that he thinks he'll recoup some of this dough....think again Jose. You'll just be at the bottom of a long, neverending list of lives that Casey ruined.

I can't wait to read in the paper when Jose Baez sues Casey for non-payment. His little "goose that laid the golden egg". He's just as big of a fool as anyone else.

HA HA.

I also want to say that I hope those jurors never get a good night's sleep again. As far as I'm concerned, they are accessories to murder. Period. They released what is very likely an extremely dangerous person.

She knows she can kill and there are no consequences. And now she knows even more how to get away with it.

FrankM said...

M. Poirot a dit:

Yes I can easily see your marxist leanings. This links you ideologically to the Col's ideology and his propensity for revisionism.

You really don’t seem very clear about this, M. Poirot. I don’t know whether your brains are generally addled or whether you have got into the habit of using words when you don’t understand what they mean.

You use the word revisionism in a pejorative sense (ironically this is the way Marxists use it), but all it means is a critical reviewing of something (anything), often in the light of data not earlier available.

This happens all the time in both Science and the Humanities. We discarded our belief in the Ptolemaic view of the universe for the Copernican one; Copernicus fell when, pace Galileo's recantation, telescopes made his views untenable; Newton sang a new tune; Einstein pained a better picture but not as good as todays Quantum view of the world. And tomorrow it’ll be something else. This is how knowledge progresses.

Likewise with history. Biographies, statutes of limitations and the FOA act mean that long after events have occurred relevant data becomes available, and we need to revise our understanding. This is a fact of life.

So with Col, who I shall not defend for two reasons: firstly because he’s an arrogant, obnoxious and curmudgeonly soul and more importantly because he’s more than able to look after himself. But he’s done some good research, and is not too proud to revise his earlier assumptions and understanding.

Even Hippie Scholar, who in the days when he was Savage, threatening to burn glossy photos in the LA sunshine and telling me he wanted to see how many teeth I could knock out of your mouth in a FACE to FACE confrontation (remind you of someone, M. Poirot?) changes his views as often as (hopefully) he changes his underwear.

So to accuse the Col of having a propensity for revisionism is probably more to praise than damn him. But what I don’t see at all is why you would think a Hollywood film producer with pots of money, a supermodel wife and (by his own proud admission) a really large cock should seem to be a communist at all.

FrankM

katie8753 said...

Boy Frank...you talk REAL good!!!

Now if I just knew what you said. HA HA.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Jim... if you really believe these audio files have major significance... please e-mail the files (of which you speak), if/when you have the time.

I still have no idea how Tex's supposed sexual hang-ups, and/or "relationship" with Linda, indicate anything "case-wise"... but, I'd love to hear the tapes anyway.
I'm always open to new suggestions.

If the tapes aren't too long, you could also upload them to UTube, and give us a link.

Thanks... Lynyrd

katie8753 said...

>>>Lynyrd said:

I still have no idea how Tex's supposed sexual hang-ups, and/or "relationship" with Linda, indicate anything "case-wise"... but, I'd love to hear the tapes anyway.

I'm always open to new suggestions.>>>

Whoooaaaa....that sounded kinky!! HA HA HA.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

LOL : )

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Nah... I can't turn gay... you'd bash me!
OUCH! LOLOL

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Three Jews, and a Dyke, walk into a bar...

AHahahaha

Too soon? LOL

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Aw C'mon folks... you smiled a little bit.

Tough crowd.

katie8753 said...

No I didn't mean gay, I meant kinky.

It sounded like you wanta find out what Tex's "technique" was on Linda.

You wanta know how he did that counter clockwise swirl at the end.

Hey wait...that's Jerry's move. HA HA.

Hippie Scholar said...

Skynrd - Here's what i found so far.

I'm still digging around in my audio files as i have many of them and this one interview in particular went to 4 disks.

This was an interview that Bill Nelson did with Barbara Hoyt.


Disk 4 - Track 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=MvPTmPbhckE

Segment 01:36 - Bill Nelson says the following regarding TJ Wallerman, "He would have me believe, before he died, that there was no violence and that he (Manson) was a good guy and that Tex went and did those murders and Tex did the drug burn with Bernard Crowe so Manson got wrapped up in it because of Tex.


Disk 4 - Track 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NRF
3VjZ2SQ

Segment 04:08 - Barbara Hoyt tells Bill Nelson that Linda Kasabian and Susan Atkins were very "Close"
confirming my statement that everyone who went up to the Cielo Drive house had a close personal
connection or association to Linda Kasabian, including Larry Bailey who gave Linda his knife to use on
that night.


The whole point that i'm trying to make here is that the Salindar Nader incident is extremely important because it shows the role that Linda Kasabian actually played and it shows the emotional connection between Kasabian and Watson.

Salindar Naders death makes no sense at the surface. The guy was an unknown charcater but the one thing that he did was to have sex with Linda Kasabian and this resulted in someone (Tex Watson) wanting this guy dead on the very same night that the LaBianca Murders went down.

If you listen to Linda's own words about her sexual encounters with Tex, she had a very good vibe on them. There was something "There".

As Jeanne Mallett testimony that was done with Vincent Bugliosi clearly shows, Tex's behavior at times was described as "Animalistic".

That's pretty much how it played out at the Tate residence, wouldn't you say?

These are FACTS and they're on record. I'm not making this up.

By excluding Nader, as Bugliosi did, you're deviating away from the truth. The target was always Manson and that's the kind of road that Bugliosi was told to pave.

To answer Katie - I'm not saying that Tex was behind LaBianca. I don't believe that's the case here but Tex was the guy who carried out the deed, but someone had to handle Nader on his behalf and that's where Manson took the others on a ride.

LaBianca should be a seperate case all by itself because it was a sinister, yet coordinated, attack. Somone on the inside was working with people on the outside. This explains the 4 hour drive around LA where the LaBiancas had been travelling back home from Lake Isabella.

If you take a look at the activities of Tex Watson, begging with Bernard Crowe, you can see that he was clealry off doing his own thing indpendant of the knowledge of Charles Manson.

Marina Habe was murdered and her body was discovered on New Years Day in 1969. Rumor has it that she came to visit Spahn Ranch and that Tex was staying at a house somewhere in the area.

You have the story about Mama Watson coming out to visit Tex and leaving because of the evil presence that she claimed she felt. This was something that Bill Nelson went into in detail.

Tex Watson, through his own actions, indirectly involved Manson in both Bernard Crowe and Tate and Beausoleil, with the Hinman ordeal, also forced Manson to get involved.

There's the trend.

Charles Manson getting sucked into the misdeeds of the others.

Again - These are FACTS. None of this is made up.

Hippie Scholar said...

FrankM said...

>>>
Even Hippie Scholar, who in the days when he was Savage, threatening to burn glossy photos in the LA sunshine and telling me he wanted to see how many teeth I could knock out of your mouth in a FACE to FACE confrontation (remind you of someone, M. Poirot?) changes his views as often as (hopefully) he changes his underwear.<<<<


Frank, you and I got off to a bad start because i saw you a wise guy trying to provoke me into something.

I'm a New York boy, born and raised, somebody gets in your face, you deal with it your way.

You're an ex-marine, although anyone who served in the corps is never "ex" so i gave you the RESPECT that you were due.

I have my own code of honor and I respect the Marines so, for the good of the corps, I started a new chapter with you. So far it seems like we're on good terms.

My views are based on my own research. What i find, i was kind enough to share with those here who may have had a professional interest in looking deeper into some of what i was looking into.

The only way to get at the Truth was to dig and you have to dig in the right place to make sense out of some of these clues.

Semper Fi

Hippie Scholar said...

FrankM said ...

>>>>But what I don’t see at all is why you would think a Hollywood film producer with pots of money, a supermodel wife and (by his own proud admission) a really large cock should seem to be a communist at all.<<<<


Does the name Michael Moore ring a bell?


Communism has Won:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRRe
0EFdNpI

MrPoirot said...

FrankM said:

So to accuse the Col of having a propensity for revisionism is probably more to praise than damn him. But what I don’t see at all is why you would think a Hollywood film producer with pots of money, a supermodel wife and (by his own proud admission) a really large cock should seem to be a communist at all.

FrankM


Mr Poirot replies:

You are a hero worshiper. You lack a sence of identity. You blindly follow the revisionist Col. He is your idol. You are in love with him.

Marliese said...

Hippie Scholar said...>>>>>
Exactly Marlese ... That's what i'm trying to say. His death made no sense whatsoever unless someone was very upset that Linda gave it up to a Jew.<<<<<

Again, nothing exists that
we've ever heard about
regarding the Nader incident
that substantiates
the idea that 'someone was
very upset that Linda gave
it up to a Jew.' Linda
'gave it up' (like she was
saving it? LOL, sorry, that
just strikes me as funny)
to a lot of men.

>>>Linda spared his life because she liked the guy and didn't want to see him dead like Frykowski.<<<

How do you know she liked
him? I've heard she
thought he wasn't so
hot, that 'he thought
he was some big stud but
couldn't even #$$% me.'

What crazy a$$hole would have wanted this guy dead? The same a$$hole who pounded the sh*t out of Voyteck Frykowski - Mr Tex Watson.

Again, speculative. There
is no evidence supporting or
even remotely suggesting
the idea that Tex Watson
even knew about Nader, let
alone wanted to see him
dead. Makes a good story
though.

Marliese said...

Hippie Scholar said >>>>LaBianca had to go down FIRST because this was the business at hand. These people were expected to return from Lake Isabella and that's why the drive around LA took approximately 4 hours.<<<<<

If the idea was to wait
until the victims returned
home from the lake, why did
the killing crew leave the
ranch with hours to
spare? I hope
you're not going to say
all the driving around
was because Charlie
needed to wait for a phone
call because there's no
proof there was a phone call
either.


>>>>Mr Watson was handling that one but, while he was entertaining the LaBiancas, the others were to visit Mr Nader at Mr Watson's request.<<<<

Did he also tell Charlie to
head off in the opposite
direction to hide
Rosemary's wallet before
heading out to the beach in
search of a jewish guy that
linda 'gave it up' for?

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Good point Marliese.

If Tex (the grand orchestrator) knew they had exactly four hours to kill (pun intended), until the LaBianca's got home from Lake Isabella... why spend those four hours driving around in a car?

starship said...

Hello, Mr. Scholar! Glad you're back...please stick around...

Yes, Nader's thing came about when they were walking on the beach in Venice, right? And it was Charlie who asked Linda, don't you know a someone who lives around here? he's a pig, right?

And forgive me for even mentioning it, but how did the size of the Col's penis enter into the conversation at all? What have I missed?

CarolMR said...

As far as I know, the prosecution does NOT have to prove motive.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Welcome to the Blog Carol!!!

Great to have ya!!!

You're going to get along GREAT with Marliese! LOLOL

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