Not the Cleavers...

Katie said (paraphrasing):
“There are a variety of people who want you to believe that the murders at Cielo Drive were due to the fact that Voytek was a drug dealer, and that Folger was funding it.  This is not true".  

"The reason for the Cielo Drive killings, is that Charlie was mad at Melcher“.

You have a right to your opinion.

As for me...
I haven't ruled-out the Frykowski/Drug angle.
There's enough "smoke" in that area, to make the theory worthy of consideration.

I agree, that Manson was probably pissed with Melcher… very pissed.
Manson has expressed anger towards Melcher on film (during interviews).

However…
Problem #1:  Melcher no longer resided at Cielo, and Manson knew it.
Problem #2:  The “Melcher bitterness" theory doesn't explain LaBianca.

Problem #3:
The "Melcher bitterness" motive, doesn't jive (very well) with the Crowe, Hinman, and Shea events.
The Crowe, Hinman and Shea crimes were committed for fairly pragmatic reasons, such as money issues, drug problems, and/or self-preservation (or, a combination of all three).
Those crimes were motivated by practical purposes beyond anger and bitterness.

Are we to conclude, that Cielo Drive was the ONLY location where "bitterness" was the sole motivator?
OK... it's possible... but, it doesn't fit "The Family's" MO (modus operandi) very well.

Modus operandi is a Latin phrase, meaning "method of operation". 
The expression is often used by police, to describe a criminal's habits and manner of working.
At the end of the day... killing for the sake of bitterness, doesn't fit "The Family's" track record. 

I'm playing "Devil's Advocate" here, to make a point.

My point:
If you dismiss the Frykowski/Drug Motive due to loopholes… you must also dismiss the “Melcher/Bitterness” angle, because neither theory is a complete puzzle.
In my opinion, dismissing either theory… especially the Drug Motive… is a grave (and somewhat naive) mistake.

None of the folks at Cielo Drive, deserved to be killed.
I repeat... none of the folks at Cielo, deserved to be killed.

BUT... having said that (twice)...

The idea that EVERYONE connected to Cielo Drive, was living a lifestyle, that was completely beyond reproach, is a bit of a fantasy.
This was Hollywood in the 60's.
It was a liberal place, at a liberal time.

To accurately examine this case... we must view the folks who frequented Cielo Drive (and "the times"), through a lense of reality.

Frykowski and Polanski were living questionable lifestyles... and consequently, they were probably interfacing with unsavory characters (at least, at times).
I also believe Sebring's behavior is somewhat questionable (in some respects), as well.
My assertions are underscored, by Polanski's lie detector test (see below).

During Polanksi's lie detector test, he points the finger at Frykowski and Sebring:

**He states (paraphrasing):
"Frykowski had been sniffing cocaine for at least two years".

**He also states (paraphrasing):
"If I had gotten rid of Frykowski, Sharon would still be alive".

**He also states (paraphrasing):
"Sebring had taken some kind of a (pause)... 'drug delivery job‘, or something".

**He also states (paraphrasing):
"Sebring was affluent by outward appearances, but he owed a large sum of money to his dentist.  He may have been struggling financially“.

**During the lie detector test, Polanksi also admits to "f#cking" two airline stewardesses within 48 hours of Sharon's death.  (Bear in mind... Sharon was carrying his unborn child, when she was brutally murdered).

**You can add the sodomy of Samantha Geimer to Polanski's character resume', as well.
She was thirteen years old.

**Also worth considering:
Folger's "association" with Frykowski, doesn't speak well of her judgement.
By most accounts, Voytek was a moocher, deadbeat, and drug user.

One has to wonder:
Just how "deeply" did Folger allow herself to get involved with Voytek (and his "activities")?
Up to her eyeballs maybe?

According to you (Katie)... Abigail told her therapist several times, that she regretted her involvement, with Voytek.
She communicated her regret several times.
That speaks volumes.
It seems to me, she was "in over her head".... and she wanted "OUT".

That Aside...
Is it completely far-fetched to assume, that Folger MAY HAVE lent Voytek money to finance his drug habit?
C'mon Katie... it's not only possible... it's probable.

How could Folger remain completely unaware of Voytek's drug use?
Was she living under a rock?
And furthermore... where else would Frykowski get money for drugs???

Bottom line:
This was Hollywood in the 60's.
At that place and time… things were wild.
To believe that every person associated with Cielo Drive was living completely beyond reproach, and could never be associated with any unsavory characters at any time, is tremendously naive.
People don't buy drugs from Nuns.
('Course… you could probably buy drugs from nuns too... in 1969 Hollywood)

For the record:
Let's not forget, Sharon and Jay traipsing around in their underwear… while Jay drank beer.
We have Sebring in a pair of “grape-smugglers‘ with his sausage clearly visible… and a very pregnant Sharon, sporting cotton panties.
Tell me that situation wasn't a bit "left of center". LOL

Alright... I know it's hot in California... but, c'mon... is it necessary to display your Johnson to a friend's pregnant wife? Ever heard of swim trunks dude? LOL

They give new meaning to the word "Godfather" in California.

Keep an open mind Katie... these folks weren't "The Cleavers".
Well... maybe if you throw-in a few Eddie Haskell's. LOL

I'm not saying anyone deserved to be brutally murdered... not even close
I'm simply saying, that SOME of these folks MAY HAVE "associated with", and consequently "pissed off", some unsavory characters (such as drug dealers).

If you party with drugs, you associate with drug dealers.
It's a direct correlation.

Never rule-out anything, until the fat lady sings.
This case isn't closed, until it's solved.
And until such time... everyone has clues to offer... even the victims.

Peace... LS

OO-EE-OO

If you recall... Sharon Tate had a yorkie named Sapirstein, that Frykowski accidently ran over and killed.  It's a really strange name for a dog.  

Word has it, Sharon named the dog after a character in the movie "Rosemary's Baby" (i.e., "Doctor Sapirstein" played by Ralph Bellamy).  The screenplay for the movie, was written by Roman Polanski..

Come to find out... Joel Rostau had a crime partner named Harvey Sapperstein.   Is it possible that Roman got the name "Sapperstein" (for his movie charcter) after meeting Rostau's crime partner?

The Original Article...

NEWSFLASH: Tate-LaBianca Murders Solved!

By person or persons unknown, at a website called THE SPAWN OF THE SPHINX

 http://thespawnofthesphinx.com/index.html

No kidding, the website solves both the Tate and LaBianca killings. It also explains Roman Polanski's relationship with his thirteen year old rape victim and her mother.

In fact, if you spend enough time reading the whole website, then practically everything, UFOs, Son Of Sam, the Arlis Perry murder... all sorts of things (except for the September 11th attacks) have been solved. There are no footnotes, of course, and the only sources mentioned are Terry, Sanders and Bugliosi, but none of that ever stops any of us either...

Is anyone else out there, familiar with this material? It fleshes out a lot of what Maury Terry has not. If I am new to this, then I apologize. If anybody knows this person or people, do they ever visit us here in TLB land?

One relevant brief excerpt on the Tate Murders:

Gibby Folger was always looking for ways to invest her inherited fortune, with aspirations of becoming an independent movie producer. Frykowski convinced his girlfriend the bourgeoning drug trade offered the best way of making a lot of money very quickly. Frykowski and Folger approached their friend Bill Mentzer about purchasing a franchise as a middleman in the lucrative LSD business and a wholesale distributorship of the new amphetamine MDA. Folger and Frykowski were users of the amphetamine MDA – which was found in their systems the night they were murdered – and realized its addictive potential. Folger told Mentzer that she was prepared to bankroll her boyfriend’s business endeavor.

Folger and Frykowski had recently been promoted to the rank of Initiate within the Process Church. Mentzer told them if they did well in the drug distribution business, they would be promoted to the rank of Messenger and given occult names; like Sister Jane or Brother John. One of Mentzer’s distributors, Charles Manson, had recently been promoted to the rank of Messenger. When Frykowski stated he wanted to be a Priest, like Mentzer, he was informed it was necessary to take a human life to achieve that rank. This startled the naive coffee heiress and her boy toy, because they knew Bill Mentzer and Laney Jacobs were high priests in the organization.

Bill Mentzer introduced Folger and Frykowski to one of his distributors; a wealthy associate by the name of Billy Doyle. Doyle picked up hallucinogenic drugs from secret LSD and MDA laboratories in a black Mercedes-Benz and distributed them to drop-off points for pickup by elements of the Hell’s Angels biker gang; which now controlled street-level distribution of all chemical narcotics in the LA area. Doyle agreed to start delivering shipments to Folger and Frykowski the following week. The first shipment would be a small one, about $5K. They needed to have the cash readily available when Billy showed up.

Gibby Folger and Wojtek Frykowski were now in the drug business, and one of their major customers lived across the street from them.

Later that summer, Folger and Frykowski invited their new business associate, Billy Doyle, to join them and other celebrity members of the Process Church at a satanic celebration at the Polanski residence on Cielo Drive. Folger and Frykowski were house-sitting the Polanski residence while Roman and Sharon were in Europe. Sharon, now eight months pregnant, had recently returned from Europe; but was staying at the home of a girlfriend, Sheila Welles. Polanksi was in London, where he was having an open affair with John Phillips’ seventeen year-old wife, Michelle, who also sang with the Mamas and the Papas and helped write the song, California Dreaming.

Folger’s celebration was held to honor French film director Roger Vadim, who was then married to actress and anti-war activist Jane Fonda. Roger needed an infusion of satanic power and fortune, given the movies he had made with his sex-kitten wife (Barbarella and Spirits of the Dead) were critical and box office flops when they were released in 1968. Plus, a good orgy would help to cheer him up. The following year (maybe with Satan’s help) Roger would find his stride again, with the critical and box office success of Pretty Maids all in a Row, a dark sex comedy produced by Gene Roddenberry and featuring Rock Hudson as a high school teacher, pedophile, and serial killer of slutty underage girls.

The party honoring Roger Vadim occurred on Tuesday night, the 5th of August, 1969. Twenty-two members (eleven women and eleven men) of Folger’s and Frykowski’s coven hosted three guests: Doyle, Vadim and a third who was most likely Jane Fonda. The unsuspecting Doyle was thrilled to be in the company of Hollywood Royalty until, following the solemn ceremony of the black mass, several of the men seized him, stripped him of his black robe, and tied him nude to a whipping post. Folger and Frykowski explained to an astonished Doyle that he was being punished for a $2K “dope burn” – allegedly giving poor quality drugs to Jay Sebring. Doyle couldn’t believe his ears. Folger and Frykowski still owed him over $11K from the last pickup. They were the ones who would be getting whipped if his boss, Bill Mentzer, ever found out. The naïve coffee heiress and her boy-toy laughed at this notion; Mentzer was their good friend. After being publicly whipped and humiliated, Doyle remained strapped to the whipping post throughout the orgy of sex and drugs that followed. Occasionally, a stoned cultist stopped by for a little conversation and a lot of sodomy. The dope dealer fully expected to be sacrificed to Satan when the night’s festivities ended. Instead, he was set free to go about his business.

Although initially denied by police, it was later confirmed that remnants of that night’s satanic orgy – black hoods, leather aprons, occult items, drug paraphernalia and sadomasochistic devices – were found in the loft above Sharon Tate’s living room at 10050 Cielo Drive. Actor Dennis Hopper later commented publicly on the matter in an interview with the LA Times: “They had fallen into sadism and masochism and bestiality – and they recorded it all on videotape, too. The LA police told me this. I know that three days before they were killed twenty-five people were invited to that house for a mass-whipping of a dealer from Sunset Strip who’d given them bad dope.” Ed Sanders later confirmed that “a large party was held on Cielo Drive at which Billy Doyle, an acquaintance of Bill Mentzer, was whipped as the result of a dope burn involving about $2K worth of cocaine which was perpetrated on Jay Sebring, who was present at the affair.”

And on LaBianca:

"There were two victims in the La Bianca murders on the second night: Leno La Bianca and his wife, Rosemary. Leno La Bianca was killed because he was unable to pay $230K of debt to Mentzer’s boss, a former Mossad agent who was the other Process Priest summoned to Mentzer’s War Council and Invocation Ceremony."