tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post1483359125218962129..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger200125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-47523755870157824532011-09-20T10:09:25.007-04:002011-09-20T10:09:25.007-04:00Bugliosi did say in his opening statement that the...Bugliosi did say in his opening statement that the prosecution believed there to be several motives.<br /><br />His problem was that he truly believed Manson was guilty, but making it stick as a matter of law was an uphill task to say the least, and could have been worse, if Charlie had had the smarts or helpful advice to demand a speedy trial.<br /><br />One of the things you get from HS is just what a great lawyer Bug is, no matter whether the motive made sense or not, he was indefatigable at playing the legal game. I was really impressed with his work ethic and his energy and the acuteness of his understanding. Plus, if he was to convict them, and let's face it, motive aside, they were the right ones, he had no time for doubt or exploring other motives. He got nearly no help from the cops, had to be detective himself, scarcely slept: with all this, he needed some certainties, such as, Linda, good, Susan, bad, etc. No room for doubt when you're summing up in a case like this.fiona1933https://www.blogger.com/profile/00041216158548547908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-80898400202088205272011-07-22T20:57:38.928-04:002011-07-22T20:57:38.928-04:00Marliese agrees with you, regarding not needing to...Marliese agrees with you, regarding not needing to prove motive. : )LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-73110826776085805752011-07-22T20:47:52.062-04:002011-07-22T20:47:52.062-04:00Thank you for the warm welcome, Lynyrd. Don't...Thank you for the warm welcome, Lynyrd. Don't get the Marliese reference yet, though.CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-13934611837677436192011-07-22T18:29:42.775-04:002011-07-22T18:29:42.775-04:00Welcome to the Blog Carol!!!
Great to have ya!!!
...Welcome to the Blog Carol!!!<br /><br />Great to have ya!!!<br /><br />You're going to get along GREAT with Marliese! LOLOLLynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-56897252083378658912011-07-22T17:45:05.696-04:002011-07-22T17:45:05.696-04:00As far as I know, the prosecution does NOT have to...As far as I know, the prosecution does NOT have to prove motive.CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-54239708275387707312011-07-19T12:31:52.949-04:002011-07-19T12:31:52.949-04:00Hello, Mr. Scholar! Glad you're back...please...Hello, Mr. Scholar! Glad you're back...please stick around...<br /><br />Yes, Nader's thing came about when they were walking on the beach in Venice, right? And it was Charlie who asked Linda, don't you know a someone who lives around here? he's a pig, right?<br /><br />And forgive me for even mentioning it, but how did the size of the Col's penis enter into the conversation at all? What have I missed?starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-1004843232796823482011-07-18T19:21:52.387-04:002011-07-18T19:21:52.387-04:00Good point Marliese.
If Tex (the grand orchestrat...Good point Marliese.<br /><br />If Tex (the grand orchestrator) knew they had exactly four hours to kill (pun intended), until the LaBianca's got home from Lake Isabella... why spend those four hours driving around in a car?LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-22093201354586657512011-07-18T18:12:20.954-04:002011-07-18T18:12:20.954-04:00Hippie Scholar said >>>>LaBianca had t...Hippie Scholar said >>>>LaBianca had to go down FIRST because this was the business at hand. These people were expected to return from Lake Isabella and that's why the drive around LA took approximately 4 hours.<<<<<<br /><br /> If the idea was to wait<br /> until the victims returned<br /> home from the lake, why did<br /> the killing crew leave the<br /> ranch with hours to<br /> spare? I hope <br /> you're not going to say <br /> all the driving around <br /> was because Charlie<br /> needed to wait for a phone <br /> call because there's no <br /> proof there was a phone call <br /> either. <br /> <br /><br />>>>>Mr Watson was handling that one but, while he was entertaining the LaBiancas, the others were to visit Mr Nader at Mr Watson's request.<<<<<br /><br /> Did he also tell Charlie to <br /> head off in the opposite<br /> direction to hide<br /> Rosemary's wallet before<br /> heading out to the beach in<br /> search of a jewish guy that <br /> linda 'gave it up' for?Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-32379079976399473662011-07-18T18:02:43.246-04:002011-07-18T18:02:43.246-04:00Hippie Scholar said...>>>>>
Exactly...Hippie Scholar said...>>>>><br />Exactly Marlese ... That's what i'm trying to say. His death made no sense whatsoever unless someone was very upset that Linda gave it up to a Jew.<<<<<<br /><br /> Again, nothing exists that<br /> we've ever heard about <br /> regarding the Nader incident <br /> that substantiates <br /> the idea that 'someone was<br /> very upset that Linda gave <br /> it up to a Jew.' Linda <br /> 'gave it up' (like she was<br /> saving it? LOL, sorry, that<br /> just strikes me as funny)<br /> to a lot of men.<br /><br />>>>Linda spared his life because she liked the guy and didn't want to see him dead like Frykowski.<<<<br /><br /> How do you know she liked <br /> him? I've heard she <br /> thought he wasn't so <br /> hot, that 'he thought<br /> he was some big stud but<br /> couldn't even #$$% me.' <br /><br />What crazy a$$hole would have wanted this guy dead? The same a$$hole who pounded the sh*t out of Voyteck Frykowski - Mr Tex Watson.<br /><br /> Again, speculative. There<br /> is no evidence supporting or<br /> even remotely suggesting <br /> the idea that Tex Watson<br /> even knew about Nader, let<br /> alone wanted to see him <br /> dead. Makes a good story<br /> though.Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-41039798263400415792011-07-18T00:41:00.553-04:002011-07-18T00:41:00.553-04:00FrankM said:
So to accuse the Col of having a pro...FrankM said:<br /><br />So to accuse the Col of having a propensity for revisionism is probably more to praise than damn him. But what I don’t see at all is why you would think a Hollywood film producer with pots of money, a supermodel wife and (by his own proud admission) a really large cock should seem to be a communist at all.<br /><br />FrankM<br /><br /><br />Mr Poirot replies:<br /> <br />You are a hero worshiper. You lack a sence of identity. You blindly follow the revisionist Col. He is your idol. You are in love with him.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-78674669018965678142011-07-17T19:05:49.148-04:002011-07-17T19:05:49.148-04:00FrankM said ...
>>>>But what I don’t ...FrankM said ...<br /><br />>>>>But what I don’t see at all is why you would think a Hollywood film producer with pots of money, a supermodel wife and (by his own proud admission) a really large cock should seem to be a communist at all.<<<<<br /><br /><br />Does the name Michael Moore ring a bell?<br /><br /><br />Communism has Won:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRRe<br />0EFdNpIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-8968453178537218382011-07-17T18:56:17.538-04:002011-07-17T18:56:17.538-04:00FrankM said...
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Even Hippie Scholar, ...FrankM said...<br /><br />>>><br />Even Hippie Scholar, who in the days when he was Savage, threatening to burn glossy photos in the LA sunshine and telling me he wanted to see how many teeth I could knock out of your mouth in a FACE to FACE confrontation (remind you of someone, M. Poirot?) changes his views as often as (hopefully) he changes his underwear.<<<<<br /><br /><br />Frank, you and I got off to a bad start because i saw you a wise guy trying to provoke me into something.<br /><br />I'm a New York boy, born and raised, somebody gets in your face, you deal with it your way.<br /><br />You're an ex-marine, although anyone who served in the corps is never "ex" so i gave you the RESPECT that you were due.<br /><br />I have my own code of honor and I respect the Marines so, for the good of the corps, I started a new chapter with you. So far it seems like we're on good terms.<br /><br />My views are based on my own research. What i find, i was kind enough to share with those here who may have had a professional interest in looking deeper into some of what i was looking into.<br /><br />The only way to get at the Truth was to dig and you have to dig in the right place to make sense out of some of these clues.<br /><br />Semper FiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-25472322439477055492011-07-17T18:47:33.286-04:002011-07-17T18:47:33.286-04:00Skynrd - Here's what i found so far.
I'm ...Skynrd - Here's what i found so far.<br /><br />I'm still digging around in my audio files as i have many of them and this one interview in particular went to 4 disks.<br /><br />This was an interview that Bill Nelson did with Barbara Hoyt.<br /><br /><br />Disk 4 - Track 5<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?<br />v=MvPTmPbhckE<br /><br />Segment 01:36 - Bill Nelson says the following regarding TJ Wallerman, "He would have me believe, before he died, that there was no violence and that he (Manson) was a good guy and that Tex went and did those murders and Tex did the drug burn with Bernard Crowe so Manson got wrapped up in it because of Tex.<br /><br /><br />Disk 4 - Track 4<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NRF<br />3VjZ2SQ<br /><br />Segment 04:08 - Barbara Hoyt tells Bill Nelson that Linda Kasabian and Susan Atkins were very "Close" <br />confirming my statement that everyone who went up to the Cielo Drive house had a close personal <br />connection or association to Linda Kasabian, including Larry Bailey who gave Linda his knife to use on <br />that night.<br /><br /><br />The whole point that i'm trying to make here is that the Salindar Nader incident is extremely important because it shows the role that Linda Kasabian actually played and it shows the emotional connection between Kasabian and Watson.<br /><br />Salindar Naders death makes no sense at the surface. The guy was an unknown charcater but the one thing that he did was to have sex with Linda Kasabian and this resulted in someone (Tex Watson) wanting this guy dead on the very same night that the LaBianca Murders went down.<br /><br />If you listen to Linda's own words about her sexual encounters with Tex, she had a very good vibe on them. There was something "There".<br /><br />As Jeanne Mallett testimony that was done with Vincent Bugliosi clearly shows, Tex's behavior at times was described as "Animalistic".<br /><br />That's pretty much how it played out at the Tate residence, wouldn't you say?<br /><br />These are FACTS and they're on record. I'm not making this up.<br /><br />By excluding Nader, as Bugliosi did, you're deviating away from the truth. The target was always Manson and that's the kind of road that Bugliosi was told to pave.<br /><br />To answer Katie - I'm not saying that Tex was behind LaBianca. I don't believe that's the case here but Tex was the guy who carried out the deed, but someone had to handle Nader on his behalf and that's where Manson took the others on a ride.<br /><br />LaBianca should be a seperate case all by itself because it was a sinister, yet coordinated, attack. Somone on the inside was working with people on the outside. This explains the 4 hour drive around LA where the LaBiancas had been travelling back home from Lake Isabella.<br /><br />If you take a look at the activities of Tex Watson, begging with Bernard Crowe, you can see that he was clealry off doing his own thing indpendant of the knowledge of Charles Manson.<br /><br />Marina Habe was murdered and her body was discovered on New Years Day in 1969. Rumor has it that she came to visit Spahn Ranch and that Tex was staying at a house somewhere in the area. <br /><br />You have the story about Mama Watson coming out to visit Tex and leaving because of the evil presence that she claimed she felt. This was something that Bill Nelson went into in detail.<br /><br />Tex Watson, through his own actions, indirectly involved Manson in both Bernard Crowe and Tate and Beausoleil, with the Hinman ordeal, also forced Manson to get involved.<br /><br />There's the trend.<br /><br />Charles Manson getting sucked into the misdeeds of the others.<br /><br />Again - These are FACTS. None of this is made up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-64576789068269724122011-07-17T16:37:33.928-04:002011-07-17T16:37:33.928-04:00No I didn't mean gay, I meant kinky.
It sound...No I didn't mean gay, I meant kinky.<br /><br />It sounded like you wanta find out what Tex's "technique" was on Linda. <br /><br />You wanta know how he did that counter clockwise swirl at the end.<br /><br />Hey wait...that's Jerry's move. HA HA.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-35504454747854995172011-07-17T16:25:45.198-04:002011-07-17T16:25:45.198-04:00Aw C'mon folks... you smiled a little bit.
To...Aw C'mon folks... you smiled a little bit.<br /><br />Tough crowd.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-12275745328809512362011-07-17T16:25:25.853-04:002011-07-17T16:25:25.853-04:00Three Jews, and a Dyke, walk into a bar...
AHahah...Three Jews, and a Dyke, walk into a bar...<br /><br />AHahahaha<br /><br />Too soon? LOLLynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-59754548691671553872011-07-17T16:19:59.203-04:002011-07-17T16:19:59.203-04:00Nah... I can't turn gay... you'd bash me! ...Nah... I can't turn gay... you'd bash me! <br />OUCH! LOLOLLynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-19835999286462664222011-07-17T16:19:27.057-04:002011-07-17T16:19:27.057-04:00LOL : )LOL : )LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-74581685050947411012011-07-17T16:10:04.198-04:002011-07-17T16:10:04.198-04:00>>>Lynyrd said:
I still have no idea h...>>>Lynyrd said: <br /><br />I still have no idea how Tex's supposed sexual hang-ups, and/or "relationship" with Linda, indicate anything "case-wise"... but, I'd love to hear the tapes anyway.<br /><br />I'm always open to new suggestions.>>><br /><br />Whoooaaaa....that sounded kinky!! HA HA HA.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-79663169862792355052011-07-17T15:37:09.802-04:002011-07-17T15:37:09.802-04:00Jim... if you really believe these audio files hav...Jim... if you really believe these audio files have major significance... please e-mail the files (of which you speak), if/when you have the time.<br /><br />I still have no idea how Tex's supposed sexual hang-ups, and/or "relationship" with Linda, indicate anything "case-wise"... but, I'd love to hear the tapes anyway.<br />I'm always open to new suggestions.<br /><br />If the tapes aren't too long, you could also upload them to UTube, and give us a link.<br /><br />Thanks... LynyrdLynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-84371620825995358812011-07-17T14:26:33.297-04:002011-07-17T14:26:33.297-04:00Boy Frank...you talk REAL good!!!
Now if I just ...Boy Frank...you talk REAL good!!! <br /><br />Now if I just knew what you said. HA HA.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-41288644830566017642011-07-17T13:18:13.464-04:002011-07-17T13:18:13.464-04:00M. Poirot a dit:
Yes I can easily see your marxis...M. Poirot a dit:<br /><br /><i>Yes I can easily see your marxist leanings. This links you ideologically to the Col's ideology and his propensity for revisionism.</i><br /><br />You really don’t seem very clear about this, M. Poirot. I don’t know whether your brains are generally addled or whether you have got into the habit of using words when you don’t understand what they mean.<br /><br />You use the word revisionism in a pejorative sense (ironically this is the way Marxists use it), but all it means is a critical reviewing of something (anything), often in the light of data not earlier available. <br /><br />This happens all the time in both Science and the Humanities. We discarded our belief in the Ptolemaic view of the universe for the Copernican one; Copernicus fell when, pace Galileo's recantation, telescopes made his views untenable; Newton sang a new tune; Einstein pained a better picture but not as good as todays Quantum view of the world. And tomorrow it’ll be something else. This is how knowledge progresses.<br /><br />Likewise with history. Biographies, statutes of limitations and the FOA act mean that long after events have occurred relevant data becomes available, and we need to revise our understanding. This is a fact of life.<br /><br />So with Col, who I shall not defend for two reasons: firstly because he’s an arrogant, obnoxious and curmudgeonly soul and more importantly because he’s more than able to look after himself. But he’s done some good research, and is not too proud to revise his earlier assumptions and understanding.<br /><br />Even Hippie Scholar, who in the days when he was Savage, threatening to burn glossy photos in the LA sunshine and telling me he wanted to see <i>how many teeth I could knock out of your mouth in a FACE to FACE confrontation</i> (remind you of someone, M. Poirot?) changes his views as often as (hopefully) he changes his underwear.<br /><br />So to accuse the Col of having a propensity for revisionism is probably more to praise than damn him. But what I don’t see at all is why you would think a Hollywood film producer with pots of money, a supermodel wife and (by his own proud admission) a really large cock should seem to be a communist at all.<br /><br />FrankMFrankMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-75830137498480440882011-07-17T12:15:52.180-04:002011-07-17T12:15:52.180-04:00>>>Marliese said: There are reports the ...>>>Marliese said: There are reports the suv that picked her up at the jail drove to an airport where she was seen boarding a Lear Jet that took off for Columbus, Ohio. I don't know if that's been confirmed, but if so, i'd be curious to know who leased the jet...probably Baez.>>><br /><br />Yeah Marliese I was wondering who is footing the bill for this baby-killer to "get away". Casey owes Jose & Co. a lot of money for her defense. I guess that he thinks he'll recoup some of this dough....think again Jose. You'll just be at the bottom of a long, neverending list of lives that Casey ruined.<br /><br />I can't wait to read in the paper when Jose Baez sues Casey for non-payment. His little "goose that laid the golden egg". He's just as big of a fool as anyone else.<br /><br />HA HA.<br /><br />I also want to say that I hope those jurors never get a good night's sleep again. As far as I'm concerned, they are accessories to murder. Period. They released what is very likely an extremely dangerous person. <br /><br />She knows she can kill and there are no consequences. And now she knows even more how to get away with it.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-12530313703684824692011-07-17T12:08:57.678-04:002011-07-17T12:08:57.678-04:00katie8753 said...>>>>>>>>
...katie8753 said...>>>>>>>><br />>>>Beauders said: just to let you all know casey anothony is a free woman--she was released at 12:10am florida time or an hour and a half ago.>>><br /><br />I woke up this morning thinking about that bitch being free to make money off the little girl she murdered. It made me sick to my stomach. <<<<<<<<<<<<<br /><br /><br />There are reports the suv that picked her up at the jail drove to an airport where she was seen boarding a Lear Jet that took off for Columbus, Ohio. I don't know if that's been confirmed, but if so, i'd be curious to know who leased the jet...probably Baez.Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-45036949042556589142011-07-17T11:51:42.724-04:002011-07-17T11:51:42.724-04:00Jim...
I've had some time to process the conv...Jim...<br /><br />I've had some time to process the conversation. LOL<br /><br />Your theory that Tex was the main "envoy" between the two camps... (Tate and the "family"), regarding drugs... and that Tate was "Tex's thing"... is a concept I'm willing to entertain.<br />It has <i>some</i> merit.<br />Tex + drugs = Tate... I'll give that some creedence.<br />Partly because...<br />Tex + drugs = Crowe.<br /><br />But, to suggest that Tex was also in-charge regarding LaBianca and Nader, by way of association with Kasabian... that's pretty tenuous.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.com