Showing posts with label Leslie Van Houten. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Leslie Van Houten. Show all posts

Saturday, August 19, 2017

Judge to Rule on "Tex Tapes"


Judge Sam Ohta will issue a ruling on August 31st, whether to order the Los Angeles District Attorney’s Office to turn over copies of the Tex tapes to Leslie Van Houten’s attorney Richard Pfeiffer.

Ohta heard arguments from Pfeiffer and Deputy District Attorney Donna Lebowitz at a motion hearing today at the Clara Shortridge Foltz Criminal Justice Center. The motion hearing was a prelude to the Franklin hearing originally slotted for next week but delayed until the 31st to allow more time for discovery briefs to be filed.

Attorneys for Van Houten have sought the Tex tapes for nearly four years and argue that tapes contain information relevant to the Franklin hearing.

Some former Manson family members are also expected to testify at the hearing.

In January, Van Houten filed a Writ of Habeas Corpus pursuant to People v. Franklin, contending she was entitled an opportunity to create a record of mitigating evidence in support of youth offender parole. After a series of briefs from Pfeiffer and Lebowitz, Ohta ruled in Van Houten’s favor, granting her the hearing.

Van Houten is also scheduled to appear before the Board of Parole Hearings on September 6th.

*The above narrative is directly excerpted from Cielodrive.com

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The following document is not from Cielodrive.com










Wednesday, May 3, 2017

Leslie Van Houten petitioning for release of Tex Tapes

Leslie Van Houten is calling out prosecutors for sitting on a recording she believes would secure her release at her next parole hearing. Van Houten insists the 1969 audio tapes bolster her argument Manson had her and the other killers under his spell. The DA insists the tapes reveal nothing more than "rambling musings about LSD, secret worlds beneath Death Valley and bizarre racial theories."

Sunday, April 24, 2016

Leslie Van Houten's Parole. My opinion...

I’ve watched the KABC video (on the thread below) 3 times. I also watched it (a 4th time) on Brian’s radio show this evening.

The entire KABC broadcast, can be summed-up with the following exchange:

Jillian (the interviewer) said:
“What Leslie did was take a life, and when she did that, she forfeited her own freedom. Period. The end. That‘s it.”

Attorney Rich Pfeiffer responded: 
“That’s not the law in this country. She was sentenced to life, with the possibility of parole. You don’t want to follow the law. And if the law isn’t followed, and the government becomes lawless… what kind of country are we?”

That’s the cruxt of this situation.

Here’s my thoughts:

No murderer will ever truly “deserve” parole, based upon the gravity of  their crime(s). 

You can never pay back a life. That’s common sense.

As Vincent Bugliosi once explained… parole for murderers is ALWAYS based upon some degree of pardon.

From that standpoint, Leslie (and no murderer, for that matter) will ever truly “earn” or “deserve” parole. 

That’s understood.

The real question becomes:
Does Leslie “deserve” parole based upon her sentence?

The first thing we need to clarify, is WHAT EXACTLY does the phrase “with the possibility of parole” mean?

I’m not a lawyer, so I can’t tell you the answer to that key question, based upon law.

As a layperson however , it seems to me, that “the possibility of parole” means this:
If the prisoner is “good enough” for “long enough”, they will be released (i.e., “pardoned”) before their death.

But regardless of my opinion, here’s the point:
There HAS to be SOMETHING that differentiates “Life WITH the possibility of parole”, from “Life WITHOUT the possibility of parole”, other than empty rhetoric.

Think about this:
If we intend to keep Leslie incarcerated FOREVER (based upon the gravity of her crimes alone), REGARDLESS of her good behavior, and REGARDLESS of her achievements… then, haven’t we (for all intents and purposes) changed her sentence to “Life WITHOUT the possibility of parole”?? 

I mean, if we honestly believe that Leslie should NEVER be released, under ANY circumstances (like Jillian), then where is her “opportunity for parole”? 

I understand, that by law, we can keep Leslie incarcerated forever. I fully understand that. BUT, is that REALLY in keeping with the INTENT of her sentence?

If you believe like many folks, that Leslie should NEVER be released under ANY circumstances, then quite frankly, I don’t believe you’re upholding the true intent of her sentence.

I’m not a Leslie supporter... FAR from it. I'd love to see her die in prison. But, sometimes in life, you have to live with your mistakes. The idiots in California, granted Leslie “the opportunity of parole”… and now, we’re stuck with upholding it.

This is my conscience:

Does Leslie deserve release based upon her crimes? Hell No!

Does Leslie deserve release based upon her sentence (and the “pardon” it implies)? Probably, yes.

It pains me to say that… but, it’s true. 

The fact is, there’s absolutely nothing more that Leslie can possibly do (to earn her release), other than spend more time in jail.

Are we REALLY offering Leslie “the possibility of parole”? Really? 
You’ll have to answer that question with your own conscience.

Peace!

Thursday, May 28, 2015

LESLIE'S TAPE WITH HER ATTORNEY MARVIN PART - DEC. 1969 - CIELODRIVE.COM

http://www.cielodrive.com/updates/


Wow, just wow... what can I say?

After many years of researching, meeting folks involved (including law enforcement)... reading all the books I could get my hands on, visiting first hand the places involved, I had come to a conclusion and personal belief that the TLB murders were committed "To get a brother out of jail"....meaning of course, Bobby B....

When George Stimson's book came out last year "Goodbye Helter Skelter", I was in TLB heaven.....I thought finally, someone who knows the original Family members, knows Manson very very well, has verified what I always concluded was the motive!   So I was satisfied, finally!
Until today... first thing this morning 5:00 a.m. Pacific, I listen to, and read the transcript of Leslie's tape recording of her meeting with her attorney at the time, December 29, 1969 - Marvin Part, on cielodrive.com.

I'm confused --- honestly---- it wasn't only Paul Watkins that believed and told Bugliosi the same tale of Helter Skelter...

I'm thinking twice now.......maybe three times...not done yet...I know, I am nobody...but Lynyrd lets me post here, lol...

Wednesday, March 19, 2014

Linda Ronstadt meets Leslie Van Houten

I'm currently reading Linda Ronstadt's book Simple Dreams. In her book, Linda relates how she (and her friend Nicolette Larson) were really into roller skating. This was during the late 1970's, when skating was very popular. I can relate, because I loved going to roller discos!  While skating in Southern California one day, Linda and Nicolette met Leslie Van Houten.

On to the story (excerpted from Simple Dreams)

Nicky and I started skating on Venice Beach, which we loved because it was full of extreme Southern California characters. There were old Jewish lefties playing chess, whatever was left of the Beat Generation, Muscle Beach bodybuilders, and street performers. There were also slackers and stoners of every description lying around enjoying the warm sun and the great looking girls in skimpy clothing.

Skating liberated us from car culture. If we saw something we liked, we could stop and join in immediately without having to park. If we didn't like what we saw, we could roll on by. The two of us were both novice skaters and could stop only by grabbing on to a pole or a tree.

We had a pal named Dan Blackburn, who worked as a news correspondent for NBC. He was a good skater and offered to meet us at the beach and give us some tips. Dan said he would bring a friend he wanted us to meet. He arrived at the designated hour and introduced us to a slender brunette, quiet and pretty, with a refined, well-brought-up manner. Her name was Leslie. We skated for an hour or so, until we were accosted by a tangle of people who were lying on the ground, trying to grab our ankles and begging for water. Some of them were eating dirt. They were obviously wasted on something strong. Someone said it was "angel dust," which was the street name for PCP.  The analgesic effect of angel dust can prevent users form realizing they need water, and by the time the drug starts to wear off, they are desperate with thirst.

We managed to slide away and skated to a nearby restuarant for lunch. After we ordered, we began to talk about how we felt sorry and embarrassed for the people we had seen, that they had been shorn of any dignity they may have possessed, and that angel dust looked like a bad drug. Nicky and I had never tried it, and wondered what could be its appeal. Quiet Leslie became animated and said that yes, it was a very bad drug, and could cause one to do things one would never do when sober. She said she knew this, because she herself, had done some bad things under the influence of drugs and had gone to jail. Remembering my own jail experience, I naively asked her what she was arrested for. "Murder," she replied. "Well, who did you murder?" Nicky sputtered. Leslie replied that her full name was Leslie Van Houten and that she had been part of Charles Manson's "family." Nicollete and I were choking on our burgers. She seemed so nice and normal.

We wondered as politely as we could, how she had gotten out of jail and could be lunching and roller skating with us instead of sitting in a cell with the rest of her cohorts. She was out on an appeal because her attoney disappeared during the trial, and so she was found to have had ineffective assistance at trial.

As she saw it, the combination of Charles Manson's influence, plus the drugs he had encouraged her to take, would convince the court that she was not in her right mind, and therefore innocent. Dan and Leslie left us pondering how someone's life could change so irrevocably from normal to grotesquely tragic. As we skated back to where the car was parked, we wondered, could this happen to either of us? Or someone we loved?  It definitely reinforced the hearing loss argument against drugs. I remember feeling so disturbed and distracted that I lost track of what my feet were doing and fell hard on the concrete. This, added to my fall down the stairs at the Capitol theatre a few years earlier, caused yeares of back problems.

Leslie's appeal, no surprise, was ultimately unsuccessful, as she was retried and ultimatley found guilty. After close to a year of freedom, she was returned to prison, where she remains to this day.
The above photo (from this time period) was found on the "Truth on Tate-LaBianca" website.

Wednesday, September 11, 2013

Leslie Van Houten - Defense Strategies

Chris Writes:

Below is a piece I wrote after reading Ronald Markman's book - "Alone with the Devil". I'm currently finding the legal aspects of most interest. I do like the way the rules can be bent (on both sides) to apply the same law in different ways. In essence the truth and the justice of it all are secondary to how the law can be applied. 

Regards,  Christopher

"What's to say about it.  It happened.  I didn't kill anybody.  Only reason I feel I'm sentenced to death is because I didn't talk against Charlie.  I think he's a decent man". LVH 1971

"I blew my life in one night of senseless violence" LVH 1974

This piece covers two episodes in the legalities affecting Leslie Van Houten. The first is her successful appeal against her original conviction.  The second is how the charge against her was altered to help ensure conviction in her third trial, after the hung jury in her second trial caused a mistrial.

It is also concerned with the legally defined defense of diminished responsibility against a murder charge and how Van Houten's defense would at first reject and then embrace this strategy.  More importantly how the prosecution would eventually get around it to convict her.

Van Houten's attorney Ronald Hughes was part of the umbrella defense of co-counsel who worked as a united front for all the defendants: Manson, Krenwinkel, Atkins and Van Houten.  He carried out this duty for the majority of the trial from 17 July 1970 until 30 November 1970.

After his disappearance, Maxwell Keith took over for the remainder of the trial.  By this time all witnesses had been heard, both defense and prosecution had rested, and all that remained were instructions to the jury and closing arguments.  Keith would go on to represent Van Houten in both of her re-trials (1977 and 1978).
Maxwell Keith
Before Hughes' disappearance Van Houten been represented by three different attorneys.  None of whom took part in the trial proper, all of whom represented only the best interest of their client. There was no umbrella strategy between defense co-counsel, and very little contact with Manson.

All three of the attorneys were attempting to present an insanity defense based on Van Houten's diminished responsibility.  The first, Donald Barnett arranged for her to be interviewed by a psychiatrist, Van Houten refused, and he was replaced by 19 December 1969.  His successor, Marvin Part, attempted to do the same.  He was replaced a month later on 19 January 1970 by Manson approved Ira Reiner.

During his replacement, Part was heard by a judge in chambers arguing that Van Houten was not mentally capable of making such a decision.  Part  said of her "that girl is insane in a way that is almost science fiction."   He had also tape recorded Van Houten, but the judge declined to listen to it.  Instead he had three psychiatrists review the tape to determine her capability to replace counsel.  On 6 February 1970 based on their findings, the judge declared she was.

Van Houten would comment "He was going to claim that I was nuts.  He said 'I will get you out. We will make these tapes, Leslie, and we will take everything that Susan Atkins said in her story and then we will put it on tapes and play it for some psychiatrist to see if you are  crazy.'"

Reiner would eventually be replaced during jury selection, apparently for failing to comply with the defense strategy of not questioning prospective jurors (Van Houten was the only defendant to use all her pre-emptive challenges). He was replaced as Van Houten's attorney with Manson's previous lawyer Ronald Hughes (who had been replaced by Irving Kanarek).

One of the three psychiatrists who listened to Van Houten's tape recording was Dr .Ronald Markman.  He interviewed Van Houten, as well as Charles Watson and Patricia Krenwinkel.  He would go on to take part as a witness in Van Houten's later trials (including as a defense witness). He would also interview Roman Polanski during his own legal problems in 1976.

Markman felt that there was little in the tapes to suggest either legal insanity or psychiatric disorder.  However, he did feel that he had pertinent psychiatric information that might greatly reduce her responsibility for the murders.  Eventually he would conduct an interview with her before her second trial.

At that time, to successfully convict on a first degree murder charge, it was necessary for the prosecution to demonstrate that the defendant had the mental capability for the crime.  It had to be shown that Van Houten not only premeditated, deliberated and harboured malice for the crime, but that she also was able to reflect on it in a meaningful and mature way.

Markman believed that the constant and sustained use of drugs would have made it unlikely that Van Houten could be successfully prosecuted for anything other than manslaughter.  The drug use diminished her responsibility, rendering her lacking the capability to commit a first or second degree murder 

However, he did feel that Watson, despite the drug use, harboured malice, but also lacked the maturity to reflect on the gravity of his crimes in a meaningful way, legally reducing the charge he should face from first to second degree murder.

The 1976 Appeal

On 13 August 1976, almost seven years to the day since she took part in the LaBianca murders, the Court of Appeals of California, granted Leslie Van Houten a reversal on her conviction.

It was not granted because the evidence against Van Houten was found to be lacking, but because the disappearance of her attorney Ronald Hughes resulted in a denial of effective counsel for her.

Over objections from Van Houten, Maxwell Keith was appointed as her attorney and had the unenviable task of reviewing the transcripts and examining exhibits that had been produced over the duration of the lengthy trial.

Van Houten and Keith moved for a mistrial on the grounds that his absence during the taking of the evidence made it impossible for him to argue effectively, the motion was denied.  Van Houten would argue on appeal that this denial was a reversible error.

The 1976 appeal would agree with her on two grounds.

Firstly, agreeing with her that Keith was incapable of arguing in a credible manner.

Secondly that the disappearance of Hughes severely interrupted the continuity of representation necessary to a fair trial.

Much of their argument is centred around the importance of the closing argument as an important part of effective representation, a constitutional right under the Sixth Amendment.  Hughes by his absence, could not do this for his Van Houten.

The closing summation given by an attorney is an opportunity to pass comment of the credibility of witnesses. This includes not just the testimony (available on a transcript) but also the manner in which a witness testifies, inflections of the voice, body language, hesitations, etc.  Keith was not present for any witness testimony and therefore could not argue effectively against Van Houten's main accusers: Linda Kasabian, Dianne Lake and Barbara Hoyt.

The appeal panel felt the trial judge should have focussed on the Sixth Amendment right and a good trial lawyer for the defendant and not to avoid the inconvenience of a new trial.

Before Hughes disappeared, the subject of substituting attorneys had already been mentioned by Judge Older in a trial ruling: 
 
"It would undoubtedly place an undue burden on any counsel coming into the case.  At this date the trial has been in progress for five months; the transcript is in excess of 18,000 pages, and it would be a terrible burden to bring a new attorney into the case and expect him to adequately and effectively represent anyone for the remainder of the trial." 

By compelling Van Houten to accept Keith, the appeal panel felt a mistrial should have been declared.

It was also felt that the continuity of Van Houten's trial had been severely disrupted by the disappearance of Hughes.  Legal precedents existed that should have been followed and a mistrial declared.  Similar to if the judge, or member of the jury could not attend for a lengthy period.  The trial had a 12 day break to allow Keith to review the trial testimony and exhibits.

Two of the three member appeal panel agreed on Van Houten's reversal.  The dissenter, PJ Wood added a lengthy addendum to the judgement outlining why he felt Van Houten's conviction should stand.

Wood argued that the evidence for her conviction was sufficient.  Also that Keith was appointed not as counsel, but as co-counsel along with the other three attorneys (Fitzgerald, Shinn and Kanarek) who had been present for all witness testimony. 

In addition, after the 12 day continuance, Keith had not asked to be relieved and did state that he was unable to argue witness credibility on the basis of their demeanour because he had not observed them.

Wood felt that Keith had argued for two days on Van Houten's behalf and ably covered all of the evidence against her, including describing Kasabian as a sinister person engaged in fraud, deception, burglary and theft to get what she wanted.  She was wily, opportunistic and her immunity brought into play self-preservation which may have turned her into a liar.  He also reminded the jury that her testimony regarding the conversation outside the LaBianca residence was prefaced with the words "I think" and "I'm not positive."

He described Dianne Lake as a 17 year old mentally disabled drug addict who had been committed to a mental institution, and that she had lied before the grand jury.

In addition, Keith instructed the jury that Barbara Hoyt's testimony regarding Van Houten hiding from a visitor to Spahn Ranch , who had given her a lift from Griffith Park, may well have been because Van Houten feared for her own safety, if indeed the incident had actually occurred.

Essentially Keith had argued ably that the witnesses were not credible regardless of whether or not he was able to argue against their credibility based on their demeanour.

The other three co-counsel had seen the witnesses' demeanours and did argue against this aspect of their credibility, in particular Kasabian. For example, Fitzgerald and Shinn argued that just because she cried on more than occasion whilst testifying, did not mean she was being truthful.

PJ Wood felt that there was an implication that Keith, had he been present, may have seen something missed by three other attorneys, or that had he also seen something he would have made a better argument on the witnesses' demeanour of credibility.  This was a narrow legal point because in fact there was no witness demeanour to be argued.  Wood then goes on to make the argument that if witness testimony is used/re-used during a re-trial without the witness being present, making witness demeanour impossible, this does not cause a mistrial.  He goes on to make the point that the jury did see the witness demeanour and it is they who decide factual issues. [This did occur during Manson's Hinman-Shea trial when the prosecution re-used Brunner's testimony originally given during the Beausoleil trial].

This reversal dismissed her other appeal regarding whether or not she was entitled to credit for time served whilst she had been held in custody prior to her sentencing.  This demonstrates that like many inmates sentenced to indeterminate sentences Van Houten was hoping to be released in the near future.  All those convicted in 1971 were to become eligible for parole for the first time in 1978.


The Re-trials
In the 1977 trial Van Houten may well have been acquitted and gone free.  The prosecution had difficulty in convincing the jury that she was guilty of first degree murder.  The jury was apparently split between those who wanted her convicted of first degree murder and those who felt she was only guilty of manslaughter.  With eight years served she may well have been released with time served had she been convicted of the lesser offense.

The hung jury and mistrial became possible because unlike her first trial, this one had a psychiatric-legal defense strategy of diminished responsibility.  Calling five psychiatrists (out of twelve witnesses).  Nearly successfully demonstrating to the jury that Van Houten was incapable in a narrow legal sense of being able to commit first or second degree murder.

One of the troubling aspects of the LaBianca murders is their apparent random and senseless nature. Many valuable items were left untouched in the residence, luxury items, coin collections as well as a weapon collection of over a dozen hand guns.  Van Houten did remove from the property, one of Mrs LaBianca's dresses as well as around $8 in change.  The killers also ate the LaBianca's food and Manson removed Mrs. LaBianca's wallet.

Markman claims responsibility for suggesting to the prosecution, that in her third trial, the charge against Van Houten could be altered in the prosecution's favour.

A first degree murder charge could by its legal definition be defended against by claiming diminished responsibility.  However, a murder carried out during the course of another felony, a robbery could not. 

A first degree murder committed during the course of a robbery did not by law ,require demonstrating premeditation, deliberation or malice.  In addition, proving the mental state required to commit robbery is by far simpler than that involving murder.

The defense went again with a diminished responsibility defense, but under the new charge its relevancy was reduced.

Markman testified in the third trial that he did consider Van Houten to have the mental capacity to commit robbery.  Apparently three members of the jury found themselves able to convict her using this more simple approach.

In 1980 the Supreme Court introduced The Victim's Bill of Rights removing the requirement that premeditation and deliberation be "meaningful and mature."


Bibliography
People v. Manson (1976) 61 CA3d 102[Crim. Nos. 22239, 24376 Court of Appeals of California, Second Appellate District, Division One Aug., 13, 1976]

People v. Van Houten (1980) 113 Cal. App. 3d 280 [170 Cal. Rptr. 189] [Crim. No. 33752. Court of Appeals of California, Second Appellate District, Division One. December 15, 1980].
Alone with the Devil: Markman, Ronald and Bosco, Dominik, Futura, 1990.

Wednesday, August 21, 2013

Alone With The Devil - Psychopathic Killings That Shocked the World

A book by Ronald Markman and Dominick Bosco-

Published in August 1991, the author tested Leslie Van Houten for the original trial, and testified in her second and third. He also claims to have thought up the idea to change her charge to Robbery Homicide so a diminished capacity defense couldn't be used.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alone-Devil-Psychopathic-Killings-Shocked/dp/0751508845/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1376908825&sr=8-1&keywords=alone+with+the+devil

"As a forensic scientist, Dr Markman is often alone in a room with someone who has killed - sometimes without provocation or apparent motivation. After lengthy interviews and evaluations, his findings determine the degree of a murderer's responsibility at the time of the crime and thus influence his sentence in court. This is Markman's analysis of some of his toughest cases, including two of Charles Manson's followers, Marvin Gaye's shooting by his father, the infamous "Vampire of Sacramento" and Norma Jean Armistead, who wanted a baby so much that she was willing to kill for it. The book should appeal to everyone who has a morbid fascination about murder and wants to know more about the people who have killed."

It's not the full chapter, but it's worth a read looking at things from a legal psychiatric perspective.  Here is the link: 

Submitted by Chris!  Thanks Chris!

Thursday, January 5, 2012

William Cywin Arrest
On November 18, 1982, Leslie Van Houten married William D. Cywin.  Cywin, known as Bill to his friends and family, was a parolee.  He was 30 years old, and one day started writing to Van Houten.  He had done time before he met her, several times in fact, for grand theft auto and drug charges.  He was a cocaine user and smoked pot regularly.  All this was no secret to Van Houten.

Here is a report done by CDC officials at CIW about his arrest: 
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CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS

August 16, 1983

By: Acting Lieutenant Investigator Gwendolyn Glenn
For: CMPR
RE: Van Houten, Leslie CDC # W-13378

CALIFORNIA INSTITUTION FOR WOMEN FRONTERA, CALIFORNIA
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On March 25th, 1982, Mr. Bill Cywin, husband to our Inmate Van Houten, Leslie, was arrested, detained at the San Bernardino Sheriff's Office in Ontario, and waiting for transport to the San Bernardino County Jail.

Mr. Cywin was found in possession of a stolen automobile, Corvette, with a vehicle registration number that was registered to a Herb Garret.

A search of Cywin's residence produced the following contraband: one small quantity of cocaine and marijuana, that was presumed to be for personal use.

Two, a California Department of Corrections CDC shirt, complete with a CDC batch and three, a dress, jumper style, the color of green, that is used by CDC uniforms. The jumper resembled the type used by pregnant female officers.

Mr. Cywin was charged with Penal Code Section 496, receiving or concealing stolen property, felony.

Mr. Cywin's parole agent had been informed, and placed a parole hold on Mr. Cywin.

It is to be noted that Mr. Cywin had personally delivered a letter to the institution, the letter addressed from an attorney, requesting arrangements for visiting approval for a doctor of psychiatry to interview Van Houten at CIW on March 28th, 1982.  (Webmaster Note; that's three days after the arrest)

This interview was scheduled to take place prior to Van Houten's Board of Prison Terms lifer hearing. This institution acknowledged that a letter had been received.

Mr. Cywin placed a call to CIW, requesting information on custody and classification procedure concerning Van Houten.

Full Story Here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/61717353/William-Cywin-Arrest
Thread Submitted by Katie!  Thanks Katie!