Elizabeth Habe (1951 - December 29, 1968) was the daughter of Hans Habe and Eloise Hardt. She was a student at the University of Hawaii home on vacation when she was murdered in Los Angeles, California while returning home from a date. She may have been slain by members of the Manson family. Her body was discovered on New Years Day 1969 in dense underbrush off Mulholland Drive, 100 feet west of Bowmont Drive. She was found with contusions in her eyes, slashes to her throat and heart, burned, raped and nude except for a shoe.
I've tried and tried to find the police report (on line) and haven't been able to locate it.
A few weeks ago, I read a comment from another blog I follow, not a Manson blog, but a website named Witness LA. It is run by an investigative reporter, zeroing in on Los Angeles Politics, mainly focusing on the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, and the current corruption charges and change the department is going through. 99% (and probably higher) of the bloggers are either current or retired sheriff's deputies.
Witness LA ran a story on July 18, 2014 regarding an LASD officer who went undercover in an Outlaw Biker gang, and subsequently falsified a drug transaction report and "manufactured crime" .....anyway, all this was exposed.
What I found in the comments section was more than interesting. A blogger that goes by the name of "The Past" posted this comment:
"I admit I know zero about the circumstances surrounding the rebuff of Investigator Berncato by Federal Judge Frenbach. What I do know though, when dealing with outlaw bike groups such as the Vagos, Angels or others, you are dealing with people who should be devoid of normal rights. I cite a kidnapping of a young woman in the late 60′s by an outlaw biker group from the Sunset Strip. She was home from the University of Hawaii for Christmas break and was abducted &’found dead off of Mulholland some days later. Evidence & investigation revealed that she was tethered, held for several days, gang raped,an ultimately killed by a well known outlaw biker group. The grotesqueness of her death will never be forgotten by me. I made a promise from that incident that I would not give any outlaw biker the slightest break.
As extralegal as this may sound, a former Vago doesn’t warrant judicial indignation, maybe dismissal, but ridicule of the effort to deal with vermin such as this is total BS. Sorry if this seems harsh but he and his buddies need to be stuffed down the nearest outhouse!"
Read here: - Comment #10
According to an article called "The Charlie Conspiracy" published in the LA Magazine on 6/1/1988 and written by Michael Bendrix (Marina's step-brother):
"The murder was never solved. A detective on the case believes Marina was the random kidnap victim of a dope dealer-biker nicknamed Spanky, now dead, but the evidence is inconclusive."
It sounds to me (from The Past's comment) that this case was solved....and yes, I have no proof that "The Past" is a deputy from LASD, as I don't know who this person is, as knowledgeable as they are on previous posts, I assume they are.
Anyway, just thought I would throw this out there...
I posted this for Kimchi. Good stuff Kimchi. Keep the threads coming!!! :)
The Marina Habe case is very vexing. I believe that her mother said she was home from Hawaii on college vacation and had gone to a party. Her mother heard her pull up in the driveway and then another car screeched up, and then she was gone.
Nearly exactly a year later, another body was ditched in this very same area (literally feet away) with some of the same wounds. She is the Jane Doe 59 mentioned in Helter Skelter and other Manson books.
She was found between Mulholland and Skyline.
And Spanky is Kirk Smyth.
Here is an article mentioning Spanky - smuggling Buck knives in his rectum into prison, on smack... http://articles.latimes.com/2008/nov/30/local/me-pam30
Thanks Cuntry! Night y'all!! I've got a really big day tomorrow and I'm gonna hit the hay!
I've looked up the Marina Habe murder several times over the years. As best I can tell, there is no connection between her murder and Charles Manson or any of his followers whatever, other than she was apparently murdered with a long bladed knife or knives. Simply because someone was murdered in LA in 1968 doesn't mean Charles Manson or any of his followers did it.
This reminds me of the people that try to blame Bruce Davis for the Zodiac killings. The police apparently have DNA from the stamps the Zodiac licked and sent to police and/or news organizations. If that DNA would have matched Bruce Davis, I have little doubt they would have charged him a long time ago.
How do the police know that Marina Habe was raped? Did they do any type of "rape test kit"? If they did, the perpetrators DNA might still be present to this day and various people could be excluded. Considering the competency of police however, it was probably "lost" long ago. There were apparently a number of rapes in Habe's neighborhood in the weeks prior, to the best of my knowledge, none of them were solved either.
Finally, I found nearly this same exact post on another blog-->HERE.
Wikipedia says: "She was found with contusions in her eyes, slashes to her throat and heart, burned, raped and nude except for a shoe."
An article in the LA Times dated Jan. 2, 1969 says "Witnesses said the body was fully clothed and her face and head appeared unmarked. She was wearing brown capris, a white turtle neck sweater, and a brown coat with fur tip cuffs."
That's a pretty big discrepancy.
Thanks Sunset. That is the same post on that blog. I wonder what's up with that??
I agree, just because she was killed in LA doesn't mean the Manson Family did it.
Thanks Sunset. That is the same post on that blog. I wonder what's up with that??
Because I wrote this over 6 months ago....when it wasn't posted here, I posted it over there...
I'm also a writer/admin at M's Backporch.... But am pretty much out of blogging now...
Let me clarify that last post....I did very little there, (M's Backporch) it was all Michael...
However, I did write that particular post....
Thanks Kimchi. I had a feeling that you did both posts. Sorry it took so long to post it here. I've been going thru old drafts and trying to get them ready for posting.
I've noticed that Sunset loves to pick apart my posts...or "research them a little further" as you will....
Kinda like my boss used to do...and I'm done with that nonsense....
Just another reason that blogging "aint for me"....
Kimchi, don't get upset about Sunset. If you've noticed, that stuff happens on EVERY blog.
Please continue to send your threads to LSB3. I promise I will check them periodically and they won't languish for months.
I hope you're doing okay!
If Spanky did indeed kill Habe, then I am going to try and find a connection with Spanky and the Sunland-Tujunga Slaves crew.
Some of the old timers and sons of the old timers all knew Manson quite well. One of the most well known Richard "Droopy" Nelson spoke about M before he passed. Said Manson would come to the clubhouse with a 8' 4x4 strapped on the front of his buggy for knocking down mailboxes!
Anyways, I don't think Manson or anyone close with Manson had anything to do with Habe's murder, however it would be interesting to see if Spanky may have been in with the S-T bikers.
Apparently the Straight Satans fizzled out and most of the remaining joined the Satans Slaves, and they eventually fizzled into the Hells Angels.
Wow thanks Cuntry! Interesting stuff. I didn't know that!
A high court ruled that Jodi Arias can not testify in private.
Judge Sherry really should have ruled in 10 seconds the Arias could not testify in private instead she let the request by Arias' lawyers delay the trial.
Testifying in private is only a step away from trying a defendant in secret which is outlawed in the US in order to protect the rights of the accused.
Arias' legal team also stated they could not get witnesses to testify in her defense which is bunk. All they had to do is subpoena these witnesses and have them testify or face contempt charges.
I really don't know how Judge Sherry ever became a judge unless it was Affirmative Action. She has dragged out the Arias case and cost taxpayers in Ariz a large amount of money unnecessarily.
Mr. P., that trial is a joke. The defense has thrown every roadblock known to mankind at Judge Stephens and she has allowed it.
She really needs to retire from judging and just do some knitting.
This trial was only supposed to last until December, but it's still going on because of tactical delays by the defense.
I think the defense is just trying to wear the jury out so they won't vote the DP.
Ladders and Snakes
Do you want to know why Jodi Arias killed Travis Alexander?
Here's my theory...
Travis notated on his blog on April 16, 2008, that "Where I raise myself to heights only visited by the great men and women of this world and by so doing this year will be the best year of my life."
He had already gotten rid of Jodi in April of 2008. When she read that, it infuriated her. So in May of 2008, she orchestrated the sex tape, and tried to blackmail him with it.
When she tried to blackmail him, that's why he told her "you are the worst thing that ever happened to me". She decided in May of 2008 that she was going to kill him, because he was not about to marry her.
And she did on June 4, 2008.
She's like a Gargoyle. Ready to spring into action to seek revenge.
And it's funny how she wanted all the video action after his death, to supercede his video action.
She's a very dangerous person.
Cuntry, why would Spanky kill Habe?
And BTW, Spanky reminds me of Our Gang. LOL. If I was a desperate criminal biker, I would have a name like "Killer" or "The Ender".
What's up with that? HA HA.
Arias killed Travis because he was deliberately pissing her off. Jodi even warned Travis before hand. She told him, "if you tells one more morman wall flower you are a virgin I'm going to slice you up like a tuna and blow your brains out".
Mr. P, HA HA HA. Whatever...
You know what I love about this blog, is that no one is in charge anymore.
Oh wait...I'm in charge. HA HA HA.
Wow tough crowd. When you prove them wrong, they disappear.
Maybe they're eating something, or maybe they're using the bathroom, or maybe they're doing a bank job, or maybe they're tending to their grandma, or maybe they're cutting their toenails, or maybe they're cleaning the cabinets, or maybe they're straightening their sheets, which is what I'm doing.
Off topic comment:
I read a bit today about the trial of Eddie Ray Routh, he's the guy that apparently killed Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield, Kyle was the famous sniper Clint Eastwood made a movie about.
"A jury of 12 people heard some of that conversation in a Erath County courtroom on Thursday, which was recorded by an officers body-cam prior to Routh’s arrest. Sitting in the parked vehicle, Routh talked about the apocalypse, “voodoo” and people “feeding” on his soul."
A bizarre, senseless murder by a person talking about the apocalypse and voodoo sounds like mind altering drugs to me.
I did a bit more research and ran across a very detailed article where a number of Routh's relatives, including his mom and dad were interviewed.
Routh apparently had an entire littany of mental issues. "During Routh’s stay at the Dallas V.A., Raymond and Jodi failed to notice much progress, but his doctors eventually cited sufficient improvement to release him. They prescribed eight medications for his son, which, according to Raymond, were placed in “one of those gallon baggies.” Among the drugs were lithium, which treats mania; prazosin, which can help decrease nightmares; and Zoloft, an antidepressant that is a common treatment for P.T.S.D. Raymond said that the cocktail of pharmaceuticals “made Eddie worse,” adding, “I ain’t no doctor. I ain’t no rocket scientist or nothing, but I could tell a difference in him.”
"On the morning of Wednesday, January 30th, Jodi brought Routh back to the V.A., for a follow-up appointment. As a psychiatrist reviewed his chart, he noted that Routh had been prescribed only half the recommended dosage of risperidone—a powerful antipsychotic that has been widely used in V.A. hospitals to treat P.T.S.D. The psychiatrist adjusted the prescription and ordered the medication to be sent to the Routh house in two days. Jodi was livid. When the psychiatrist questioned Routh, he looked to his mom. “He just wasn’t capable of speaking for himself,” she told me."
"Routh was sent home. Jodi thought again of Chris Kyle. A few hours after she had introduced herself to him in the school parking lot, she was called down to the principal’s office and found Kyle there, waiting. He could sense her desperation and had come back to the school to hear more. They found an empty classroom and sat at a horseshoe-shaped table. Jodi explained some of what Routh was going through."
"Kyle said that he could take Routh fishing or hunting or, perhaps, to the rifle range. He couldn’t do it this weekend, though, because his brother’s wife was about to have a baby, and he was heading out of town."
If anyone is interested and wants to read the entire article it is-->HERE.
The Kyle killer was a schizophrenic. Both kyle and his buddy knew he was bonkers almost immediately upon meeting him. They were ignoring Routh as they drove to the shooting range probably because of Routh's behavior which angered Routh. I doubt Kyle nor his pal knew Routh was having an extreme episode or how dangerous a schidzo episode can be.
Kyle and his pal attended gun ranges like some guys attend golf courses. Sure it was stupid to take a crazy guy to a gun range but it was just what Kyle typically did in his spare time.
Thanks Bobby, I agree.
This just in from Venus:
Star will be interviewed on Inside Edition on Monday, February 16, 2015. Check your local listings for times...
I am surprised the Habe murder is still linked to the Manson Family.
Who first linked Habe to the Family? Was it Nelson? If it wasn't Nelson somebody needs to straighten me out on this matter.
If the police suspected Bruce as the killer and Nelson heard they did then Nelson was not the instigator.
I've always thought it odd that the Habe family never made any big stink about the lack of an arrest in their daughter's murder. Perhaps they were privy to info we never heard?
I'm surprised this case is unsolved. Somebody dropped the ball on this one.
Mr. P I agree. I personally don't think the Manson Family turned murderous until the summer of 1969.
I just watched Inside Edition. Star is crazy. She thinks Manson is the most handsome man in the world. Her mother will not attend the wedding.
No they weren't murderous until mid 69. Charlie began crafting his violent message in Dec 68 after he began hearing bizarre things "hidden" in the White Album.
It took Charlie approx. 7 months to reprogram the Family from a peaceful communeinto a violent cult.
This violent reprogramming is called Helter Skelter.
If Charlie had told a Family member to kill in 68 they would not have done so because he had not programmed them to be violent yet. He was peace and love in 68 up until December when he began crafting Helter Skelter and programming it into them.
He completely uninstalled peace and love and uploaded Helter Skelter in its place. By July 69 the new upload was fully installed in their mind.
Thanks Carol. I agree. If Afton doesn't want the media to mess with her, stop doing interviews.
Mr. P., I agree completely. Check out my new thread. I'm still working on it!
Hell, the media tried to make Sharon & Jay into "cauldron stirring, mask wearing, spell casting devil worshippers" when they were brutally killed. That was all NONSENSE.
Anything she says or does is going to be conveyed as "nutty".
Star needs to keep her mouth shut and stick to her facebook page to convey messages.
Stick around Kimchi - your integrity is appreciated and would be missed. Saludos - Jem
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