Thursday, September 15, 2011

A Modern Day "Zero"?
ROCHESTER, N.Y. (AP) — A western New York teenager has admitted killing a friend during a version of Russian roulette in which they took turns firing a .44-caliber revolver at each other from about a foot away.
Nathan Novak pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of manslaughter Monday in exchange for four-to-six years in prison. Sentencing was set for Dec. 1.


Investigators say 24-year-old Michael Phillips was shot in the chest on July 12, 2010, inside Novak's home in rural Wheatland, 15 miles southwest of Rochester. Novak was 18 years old at the time  A defense lawyer said Novak, who was originally charged with murder, agreed to the plea deal in part to spare Phillips' family the ordeal of revisiting the slaying.  Related Link:

143 comments:

bobby said...

Nice job Starship, I live & work in the Rocheater area & heard this on the radio news cast. Thanks again it's nice to get my local news on the blog !

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Thanks Starship.

Boy... this kid got lucky.
He shoots another man in the chest from a foot away... with a .44-caliber revolver... and get's 4-6 years in prison?
Jeez... seems like a light sentence to me.

I'm always skeptical of these "russian roulette" stories.
Especially, when the only witness, is the guy holding the smoking gun!

Ironically... the guy's last name is "Novak".
The same last name as Mrs. Barker's old care-taker in Ballerat.
George Novak (deceased), and his son "Rocky".
Everyone remember?

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Zero...

Didn't they find the six-shooter (afterwards) with five bullets still in the chamber... (the sixth bullet still in his head)?

Who plays "russian roulette" with a fully loaded gun???

Sometimes I wonder about the police back then...

Were they all trained in Mayberry?

katie8753 said...

I thought in playing Russian Roulette, one only shot at oneself. I've never heard of 2 people shooting at each other. I think this would be considered first degree murder.

Also ironically, the victim's name is Michael Phillips (John Philip Haught).

Zero was definitely murdered. The gun was found fully loaded and wiped of any prints.

The question is...why? The only answer I can come up with is that Zero must have found out about the murders and was suspected of attempting to "snitch". Being ex-military, he might have still had the "code of honor" that made him feel that he needed to report what he knew to the police.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

November 5, 1969 - Haught dies.

When the police arrived... Catherine Gillies, Bruce Davis, Sue Bartell, and Little Patty were there.

Assuming for a moment he was murdered... my guess... Patty or Bruce.

Suicide or murder... he was shot with a .22 Caliber pistol.
He's actually very lucky he died.
A .22... is not a very powerful gun.
I had one as a kid.
I can't imagine anyone hunting for anything larger than a rabbit, with a .22.
He could've survived... and been a vegetable, or a special needs patient for the rest of his life.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Novak used a .44.
Phillips didn't have a chance...

katie8753 said...

Charlie preached a strange view of death. His family members drank that in like thirsty sailors.

Sadie said "you really have to love someone to kill them".

I get the feeling that they viewed death as temporary, or some kind of goal.

But....the main players made sure they weren't killed...so what does that tell you?

katie8753 said...

>>>Lynyrd said: Assuming for a moment he was murdered... my guess... Patty or Bruce.>>>

I definitely think Bruce killed him. Bruce was present way too many times at "suicides" to be a coincidence. I think that Bruce has gotten away with a lot more than anyone else in this case.

starship said...

Thanks, everybody...

It sounds incredibly stupid, yet people over the years seem to be getting away with using russian roulette as an alibi for murder. Don't be getting any ideas out there, people!

Lynn said...
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katie8753 said...

Hi Starship! Hi Lynn. Hi Bobby. HA HA.

Russian roulette is an incredibly stupid game. It's not even a game. Sometimes I think these kids don't really understand that death is permanent.

Hippie Scholar said...

New Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=AwJb__QXL8Q


MichaelsBackporch - Just another Redneck junkyard in Cyberspace


MichaelsBackporch - One stop shopping for all of your Manson junk related needs.

Do you need broken glass bottles? Plastic Swords? Women's Panties? Car Jacks? Old tin cans that dogs ate out of?

Well then, you came to the right place.

MichaelsBackporch is like having a Redneck "Sanford & Son" right here in your own neighborhood.

Michael caters to the "FANS" of the case. If you want it, he's got it. If he doesn't have it. he'll find a way to fuck over Jon Aes-Nihil to get it for ya. He's that kind of a guy.

If you're a Manson Family Blog Psychopath, then you become eligible for the MichaelsBackporch Blog Psychopath discount. Check with Michael on that.

DISCLAIMER:
MichaelsBackporch is NOT in any way, shape or form, associated with ATWA and its membership or affiliates and Charles Manson himself wants NOTHING to do with the redneck junk salesman.

Shout Outs for the Good people over at MansonDirect.Com

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Jim...

You really should communicate with Michael directly.
This behavior never solves anything... it just makes things even worse.
You know that yourself.
Moreover... this situation has nothing to do with me, my blog, or my bloggers.

I'll leave your comment this time, as it seems to be something you need to get out of your system, but please don't make a habit of this stuff.

Michael has always been very friendly, generous, and sensible towards me.
He's a decent guy, and a real straight shooter.
I've never had a problem with him, nor do I want one.

Heck... I don't want a problem with anyone for that matter.

Jim... you're more than welcome here anytime... but please, stay on-topic.

I seriously don't want to be placed in the middle of this feud.

Hippie Scholar said...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

>>>>
You really should communicate with Michael directly.<<<<

All diplomatic relations between ATWA and MichaelsBackporch have been officially dissolved.


>>>>
Michael has always been very friendly, generous, and sensible towards me.
He's a decent guy, and a real straight shooter.<<<<

Jon Aes-Nihil and Robert Hendrickson have had different experiences along with the ATWA folks.


>>>
I seriously don't want to be placed in the middle of this feud.
<<<

I hear ya.

It's just that some people don't appreciate seeing someone use a picture of Manson as an icon where he has his arms wrapped around the guys neck while giving the impression to others that he cares about the guy while selling his blood at the same time.

Now he's got videos up where he's having a garage sale of all of his Manson collectibles. How sweet.

Mike is definetly Personna-non-grata with some folks and he's in it for the money. I've said this many times and he just goes out of his way to prove me right every time.

I won't kiss ass. That's not my thing. He wants to throw the Monkey Boy comments around mock me, who cares i'm fair game like anyone else, but I called him for what he is and even Manson knows what he's doing now.

The great collector/tour guide has been exposed and his youtube channel is nothing more than a fan club for misfits who oogle over the notion that Mike is close to Manson when the truth is that Manson wants NOTHING to do with him. That says it all right there.

Hendrickson cut his balls off once already and he still hasn't learned his lesson.

He shows people NO respect so that's what he gets back.

So now he's selling it all, so he thinks. He'll be lucky if all of his viewers combined could scrape up $10 to buy anything.

If they buy anything, it should be that broken piece of glass so that they can slash their wrists with it.

Idiots.

Hippie Scholar said...

Just for the record, this statement comes from ATWA:


Crypt Orchid on the subject of the MichaelsBackporch Youtube channel.


"His time has come to an end. He exploits Charlie just like the media has, and has become a hometown icon for the fans of Manson related memorabilia."


I return your blog back to you Lynyrd.

I just wanted to show you and your readers that this guy, who claims to be a "Friend" of Manson's is anything but.

Thanks for allowing me to say what had to be said.

katie8753 said...

Jimmy, it sounds like you've caught the Kavorka.

Now...here's the cure.

Get 12 gallons of vinegar, 15 cloves of garlic, 8 whole onions and a pinch of Peach Schnapps.

Pour into a tepid tub and soak in it for at least 24 hours. After which, string 24 more cloves of garlic along with some Wolfbane, Eye of Newt and Toe of Frog and place around your neck like a lei.

That should cure you. My invoice for valuable and needed advice is in the mail.

HA HA HA HA.

katie8753 said...

Now let's get down to brass tacks.

So Charlie is whining that people are critical of him.

Boo fucking hoo.

If Charlie had been that interested in the environment before the murders, perhaps there wouldn't have been so much broken bric-a-brac around the area.

Broken glass, discarded tin cans, old tires, rusted out dune buggies, old batteries, burned out transmissions, discarded clothing, wormed-out VD stained mattresses, oil spills, battery acid burns, gasoline spills, soiled diapers, urine and crap-stained underwear, discarded cigarette and joint butts, communual puke, people shitting and pissing everywhere, not to mention DEAD BODIES with lye on them. Dead bodies of victims, still born babies, premature babies, deformed babies, etc.

Now...if Charlie thinks that ATWA is going to take over the world, then he needs to shove that shit up into 6th gear, because it ain't happening. Much like he shoved the "Helter Skelter" wars into activation, because he was wrong about that shit TOO!!

katie8753 said...

I would think that Charlie, a leader of a sect, if he cared about the environment at all, would have chosen to clean the place up, and would have not driven a gas-guzzling 1959 Ford around to the murder sites, burning up resources.

If he thought killing these people would save the environment...how so?

So Sebring didn't drive his Porsche anymore? So Sharon didn't drive her Camaro anymore. So Abigail didn't drive her Firebird anymore? So Gary didn't drive his old stupid VW's anymore? Bobby did!

There wasn't a car around at that time that got good gas mileage. WTF????

Pat made the comment "that's one less person who will pollute".

Is she saying THEY weren't polluting???? Dumb bitch.

The dune buggies racing around the hills, the old Ford cranking around to seek death? WTF?????

This ATWA crap was started by his main minions, Sandra and Lynette, AFTER Charlie was convicted. These two bitches need to bend over.

They've caused more havoc than anyone else.

And I'll say one more thing.

This idiot Star chick, she needs to take a powder. She's as worthless as tits on a hog.

She's looking for a Sugar Daddy...and if finding an almost octogenarian is her Sugar Daddy....then that's really sad.

She just needs to bend over too!

She makes no difference in the world at all. None.

Just like Charlie doesn't. He can rant and rave all he wants, and you know what? 99% of the world doesn't give a shit. It's only the 1% of the world's population who even listens to that bullshit! No one else CARES.

beauders said...

katie, i think pat said about leno labianca that he was one man who would not send his son to war. pat, leslie, susan, and tex never seemed to be part of the atwa stuff.

katie8753 said...

>>>katie, i think pat said about leno labianca that he was one man who would not send his son to war. pat, leslie, susan, and tex never seemed to be part of the atwa stuff.>>>

She also said that he wouldn't pollute the air anymore.

She said that the family would come to dinner Sunday night and find the bodies.

What a lamb.

It makes me seek Charlie.

That fucker needs to stop hiding behind Pat, behind Tex, behind Sadie, behind Linda, behind Horse Teeth, behind Clem, behind TJ.

That fucker needs to claim the truth. And responsibility.

Fuck HIM. He IS the reason.

He did it. Had nothing to do with the environment.

How did his killing the TLB victims have to do with the environment??? NOTHING!!!

End of story.

Hippie Scholar said...

Transformers - Blueprint for the NWO Fake Alien Invasion

Link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=UFxQbtUYZyc


Transformers - Movies are the blueprint for the fake alien invasion that the New World Order will be using to seize power over humanity.

The Producers of these movies should be arrested and charged with crimes against humanity, and yes, this includes DON MURPHY !


We're in September now and Obama plans on being at the Denver International Airport on September 26th along with his key military advisors.

We have Comet Elenin approaching, Asteroid YU55 approaching, US Troops massing along Mexico border and now a Transformers based Alien Invasion in the works.

Pray for Humanity.

katie8753 said...

Hi Jimmy.

A fake alien invasion? Hmmmmm.....

That sounds better than a REAL alien invasion. HA HA.

Why is it always in September???? LOL.

Come on....lighten up dude!!!

TomG said...

He's off the anti-psychotic medicine again.

And the Mets are only 26.5 games behind the Phillies.

But there is always 2012. We hope....

katie8753 said...

Hi Tom!!!

I like your new avatar.

>>>And the Mets are only 26.5 games behind the Phillies.

But there is always 2012. We hope...>>>

Yeah, this new prediction reminds me of Harold Camping who predicted that people would be taken up in the rapture on May 21, 2011, which didn't happen.

Then he postponed it until October 21, 2011. That's the day God is gonna destroy the universe, according to him.

For some reason, he likes the 21st. HA HA.

I have to say, I liked the Transformer cartoons. I haven't seen the movies.

TomG said...

There is always a market for End Times Prophesies in that so many people hate their lives and wish for it all to be done with.

You. You. You must be strong and stand on your own. If you believe in spirtual beings helping you, that's cool too.

Enjoy your life. Keep both feet on the ground. We always get thru. and if we don't......wtf?

katie8753 said...

>>>Tom said: There is always a market for End Times Prophesies in that so many people hate their lives and wish for it all to be done with.>>>

I don't know if they hate their lives or not. Charlie prophesied that the Armageddon would take place in 1969. Why? He always had to have "his big thunder" in his bag of tricks. If not, his listeners would have gotten bored.

History proves that these "prophets" are usually con men with a crowd of listeners who are growing bored when none of the predictions come true.

TomG said...

In fact, Ms Katie, Ed Saunders published in his book The Family, that would-be prophets should never promise things that cannot happen. They always seem to have their followers on a one year leash. But when doomsday doesn't happen, and Jesus no shows as he always seems to do , the followers move on to the next magic man.

Currently, I am tracking the Westboro Baptist Church. They are pretty interesting but the same fate awaits them. The world doesn't end......now what?

TomG said...

For the 5th time since 2007, the Phillies have won the National League East. No Magic. No Incanations. And no hitting your head against a wailing wall.

Just ordinary men showing up and doing what they are paid to do.

katie8753 said...

Well Tom G.

It seems you've changed more than your avatar. You've changed your whole way of thinking.

I think you're someone else.

Jimmy???

Don't throw the wool's eye over an old maker.

Just doesn't happen.

Period.

Hippie Scholar said...

The Philadelphia Phillies - The Official Team of 6th Angel of Revelations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOON
3sjZ7eA

Hippie Scholar said...

If you acknowledge Charles Manson as the 5th Angel of Revelations and Barak Hussein Obama (The Black Man) as the 6th Angel of Revelations, the one who "Brings it all down", then you will understand why Charles Manson is where he is.

You were warned, so i now i direct you to another warning issued by a man named William Tapley:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUek
623WraQ

TomG said...

There is your answer...

I am Tom G....all who I will ever be...

He's the other guy. End of world shit.

Hippie Scholar said...

Charlie loves you Tom.

Pray to him and find salvation.

TomG said...

Don't break the prozac in half next time.

katie8753 said...

Okay kids...I'm going to bed.

Don't tear the house down. HA HA.

If I get up tomorrow and find that you destroyed the house, you're all gettin' a whooppin'.

Now I suggest you all get to bed.

Night night!

Hippie Scholar said...

Remember Tom,

Don't take the mark.

All i can do is give you an opportunity to save your soul.

"And the fifth Angel Sounded, And I saw a Star fall from heaven unto the Earth; And to him was given the key of the bottomless pit"

Revelation 9 - Verse 1

All that which was promised has become.

TomG said...

Good night. God Bless. Good will. She's right.

although, I have many good thoughts on Susan Atkins, which I would like to share with you.....seeing she was Jimmy's second choice....

but that can wait another time.

Let's go Mets....Let's go Mets....Let's go Mets....

katie8753 said...

Jimmy I asked you nicely to please stop.

When Lynyrd comes on, it might be a different story.

That's up to him.

I bid you a goodnight.

Hippie Scholar said...

Okay sportsfans, get ready to be strip searched at a sporting event near you:


NFL to Allow TSA Molestation at Stadiums: Alex Jones Reports


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYC9
meDu6nU


After the DHS-orchestrated policy of pat downs being enforced at NFL games, Alex explains why he is calling for a boycott of the NFL and its sponsors, as the fascist style public-private partnership between Homeland Security and corporate America deepens in the pursuit of transforming the U.S. into a prison camp where the inmates will constantly have to prove their obedience to their slavemasters.


It looks like i'm going to have to withdraw from society completely.

They're going to do this at sports arenas, shopping malls and even train and bus stations.

Skynrd, if you want to drop your pants everytime you go to a Bruins or Redsox game, more power to ya, but that's it for me. I'm X'ing myself out of society for good.

I don't like the fact that my tax dollars are going to fund this tyranny either. I may have to make a few life changes.

In any case, welcome to the New Nazi Germany of the 21st Century.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I think I'd be satisfied, if you simply X'ed yourself from my blog. LMAO

Although, I must admit, that last video link was very entertaining.

Where do you find this crazy stuff???
On second thought... I don't want to know...

Hippie Scholar said...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

>>>>I think I'd be satisfied, if you simply X'ed yourself from my blog. LMAO<<<<

Now you're beginning to sound like the rest of the Blog Oligarchs who only want to limit the speech of others to what sounds nice to their own ears.

I hope that you're not travelling down that road Skynyrd. That would be a real shame.


>>>>
Although, I must admit, that last video link was very entertaining.

Where do you find this crazy stuff???
On second thought... I don't want to know...<<<<

I live in reality. I can't escape seeing what's going on around me and I can't pretend that it's not there and neither should you.

People like myself, you, Pristash and others who may take in a sporting event every once in a while are now facing a situation where govt is once again directly interfering with our right to pursue happiness and yet another intrusion on our personal liberties.

I'd like to think that people have the backbone to stand up to this tyranny and reject it but, just as in the airport terminals, they allow this to happen and allow themselves to experience this personal degredation.

Now it's coming to the sports arenas, next it will be the shopping malls, bus and train terminals and then down at my local deli. Schools are also fair game for the TSA.

How much do i allow the Govt to push me before i stand up and defend my own liberties?

Do i have to be strip searched in order to commute to work every day?

Do i have to stop at a roadside checkpoint and be forced to give a blood sample in violation of my
4th ammendment rights?

This is something that effects all of us and i take this very seriously.

I heard the other day that the airport TSA goons now want to use some kind of a MRI device on people's feet so that they no longer have to remove their shoes at airport screenings. Needless to say these MRI devices deploy doses of radiation that cause cancer.

This is the Govt declaring war on the American People and it's a Psyop to test how easily people will submit to authority. It's all primed at getting you to take the mark of the beast.

You won't be able to work, buy or sell unless you submit to this draconian policy.

I won't be one of those people being tagged and monitored by the Govt. That's not happening and I realize where this leads, but I won't roll over and play dead when the time comes for regime change here in the United States.

So if you guys and gals don't mind having the TSA in your pants, then carry on and get ready to wear the Govt Tattoo that won't come off when they take a head count of the human inventory that they're stuck with.

Just over 3 years ago, i gave up my cable Tv subscription and brought the cable box back to the local cable store and they couldn't believe that someone could go without watching Tv. I got rid of all of the Govt propaganda that i used to have to pay for and took back my own mind as Charles Manson would say. I survived.

I can give up Tv, Sports, and could even walk away from my job, but if you try and deny me a sandwich or food from my local deli because of the TSA Nazis, well that's going to take us down a road that we shouldn't travel down. It's going to have a real BAD ending.

People can bring about change:

History is full of examples of men and women who have made the ultimate sacrifice to oppose tyranny.

bradley_nowell_805 said...

Jim (hippie scholar) is a lonely little man who sits at home talking shit to everyone on the blogosphere. For a very long time Michael was the only one letting him spew his stupid rehetoric and insane ideas and conspiracies, buy gold, earthquake guns and whatever else his little brain latches onto. He lacks the ability to say anything directly to anyone and seems to gravitate to younger females who have no interest in him whoat so ever. Jim, I know you and I've spoken and tried to be nice to you, xmas cards even. You're a cowarldy lonely little man who is going to eventually run into someone that you've slandered online. How do you think you'll fair without your keyboard and screen in front of you? Think ATWA will save you then? Jim knows exactly who he is. His generalizations and put downs show exactly who and what he is: a slimy little coward. PEACE & LOVE X:)

Hippie Scholar said...

This is what ATWA thinks of MichaelsBackporch:

I have "X"d out names for obvious reasons but the message speaks for itself.

Don't hate the player ... Hate the game !

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Yes your right: he's a G-dless animal with no morals at all.
And bpt has an audiance, an audiance of people with low education, mental and or intoxication issues or all kinds of ex-prisoners, not helpfull for our mission at all.
XXXXXXXXX has seen a video of XXXXXX where XXXX was completely drunk with double tongue, large eyebags and red face.It was on XXXXX youtubechannel but XXXX blocked it now. That a person puts XXXXXXX on a youtube while being so intoxicated says a lot, also bpt's : in his videos he has no shame being a almost 50yrs old men to dress in not looking fresh and clean clothes.And almost all his 'internetfans' have one or several drug/legal problems.
..

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Hello Jim.

I've always believed, honesty is the best policy.
I'm going to be absolutely straight with you.

I'll start with this TSA conspiracy concept... since you've invested considerable time posting it.
Afterwards... I'll move-on to the "big picture"... in my next post.

The TSA Conspiracy Theory:

I can't speak for anyone else... but personally... I'm happy to see security measures in place... when I attend an arena which holds 65,000 people.
If one person out of the entire group brings something dangerous through the gate... the other 64,999 people in that giant fishbowl, are completely screwed.
In this day-and-age... security is a necessity.
I for one... do not want to be in the position of wrestling a pistol out of the hands of a maniac... at a concert, or sporting event.
Being "frisked" upon entrance... is a very small inconvenience... to increase safety.
As for planes... I hate flying to begin with.
I would not board a freakin' airplane, if there were no seurity measures in place.
I'd rather empty my pockets... have my bags scanned... and receive a "pat-down"... than plummet from the sky, during a "sky-jacking".

NOW... if things reached the extent of "intrusion" the video link you shared suggests... "roadside blood tests"... "MRI scans of our bodies"... etc... I would protest these procedures along-side you.
As of now... I haven't seen, or experienced these measures in action.
I can't protest actions, which as of now... are simply some guy's prediction (of future circumstances).

Now for the "Big Picture"...

Hippie Scholar said...

Skynyrd:

"people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both"

Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin were both accredited for saying something along these lines.


One could argue that perhaps Airport "Pat Downs" are justified but we know that they go far beyond "Pat Downs".

I've NEVER had a problem at any sporting event and I'm a New Yorker who sat in the Blue Section with the New York Ranger Fans and also had tickets up at Yankee Standium where the occasional smell of marijuana and the vomiting drunk were the only obstacles to worry about.

More people die in America from Bee Stings then from Terrorists.

If you enjoy being patted down the next time you get tickets for a Patriots game, that's fine, but that's not fine for me and probably not for many others.

I don't want to live in a society where I can't walk across the street without being filmed on camera or patted down by the local Gestapo.

This has nothing to do with keeping people "Safe". This is harassment and obedience training on the part of the local authorities.

I'm really disappointed that you would accept this because i didn't think that you were the kind of person to allow this.

If you accept this kind of thing, you are helping usher in the Police State that Alex Jones is warning us about.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Jim... the "Big Picture":

Jim, if you want to post off-topic comments regarding apocolypse, conspiracies, aliens, and the like... knock yourself out.

Bloggers (like me) who aren't particularly interested in discussing such topics on a Manson/HTLB board... can simply scroll-past your posts.
No harm, no foul... no biggie.

HOWEVER... when you utilize my board to entertain your own personal feuds and insult others (such as Michael and Colonel)... it's inappropriate.

Jim...
Not one person has EVER entered here, for the purpose of insulting you.
Not one.
Not Michael... not Colonel.. no one.
If they did... I would speak to them as well.
It's never happened...

Like-wise... you shouldn't be coming here to insult others either.

Years ago... you allowed me to post on your blog many, many times.
I was a "regular" there.
Katie was a "regular" there, as well.
For that reason... and out of fairness... I'm trying to reciprocate.
I'm trying to make you feel welcome here.
Unfortunately... you're making that task extremely difficult.

With YouTube... Facebook... and e-mail... there are several online resources available to you... for insulting and feuding with others, instead of my blog.
Quites simply Jim... you don't have to do this here.
You are involving me in situations which are not my beef.

Here's where this is quickly going:

I can't be here to intercept every comment placed here 24/7... nor would I want to be.
The "comment moderation" will eventually have to be turned-on.
Two shitty outcomes from that necessity.
Firstly... it's going to create extra work for me... extra work, i simply DO NOT need.
Secondly... it will inconvenience bloggers who come here to legitimately participate in the thread topics.

That's as absolutely honest, and straight, as I can be with you Jim.

I really don't want to exclude you from the blog... especially since we blogged together in the past.
As I said... I'm trying to make you welcome here, but you're making that an impossible task.

As always... I've spoken to you respectfully.
Please... do the right thing...

Hippie Scholar said...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

>>>That's as absolutely honest, and straight, as I can be with you Jim.<<<

I know what you're saying. It's understandable.

It's just that some people don't seem to realize that this case is 42 years old and nobody really gives a shit about broken glass bottles or license plates that someone may have pulled out of the ground at Spahn which they actually try and sell to other idiots who drink the Helter Skelter koolaid.

You or anyone else can say anything that you want about me, but the one thing you can't deny Skynyrd is that i NEVER sold anyone or anything Manson related for Money. That's a FACT that nobody can dispute.

I see it for what it is and that's why i'm critical of others when it comes to some things. I don't put my arms around someone and then sell them for money. That's not how i operate. That's dirty.

This case seems to attract alot of fans, collectors, facebook picture thieves and other degenerates looking to cash in on the novelty of this tragedy or to carve out their own 5 minutes of personal fame.

I reject that and don't conduct myself along those lines.

These fake goofballs like to attack me for trying to make them rich by telling them to buy Gold or Silver when it was low only to have been able to sell it now at the current highs had they bought it when i told them about it. But most of these jokers don't have 2 nickels to rub together so i guess that was a waste of my time, but they can't say i didn't tell him.

I also gave away $1200 to help some homeless girl, who was also a fan of this case, who got dumped down in Texas by another fan who talked her into traveling down to meet him. I certainly didn't have to do that, but being the good humanitarian that i am, i tried to help someone who was in a situation where they needed some help. But you know me. I'm just a lonely little man who can't get chicks according to one asshole who's life is a personal trainwreck.

I'm not the villian here.

I've had some issues with some assclowns in the past, but life goes on. You get beyond it.

I don't sell people for money and I don't make money on the blood or suffering of others.

I'm sure that not even you would deny that Lynyrd. You've known me for a good number of years and you have a decent insight as to who I am.

I don't want to cause you any issues. You've built something up here that's sucessfull and I don't want to mess that up.

But the Alex Jones videos and the TSA stuff is real and things could get worse.

Keep yourself informed and, with any luck, you'll be able to ride out the storm that's coming.

I'm just the messenger and I passed along something that i felt you had the need to know.

Ciao.

Miss Spiritual Tramp 1979 said...

FYI-ATWA/Hippie Scholar:

I am a fan of both Michael and "Michael's Backporch" youtube channel.
I have University degree and a well paying job.

I do not have substance abuse issues and have never been arrested, nor do I have mental health issues to be sure.

I personally find your "moral majority" posture to be both offensive and hilarious.

You people are aware that your supreme leader is a convicted felon who is currently serving a life sentence right??

Since you put this out there I would be curious to know what University the current ATWA spokesperson ( or Charlie's girlfriend as she is also known) graduated from and where she is currently employed as these things seem to be a big concern for the ATWA organization.

The truth is you all need a big REALITY check as no one really cares about ATWA and trying to turn Charlie into Al Gore 2.0 has been an epic failure.

Sorry I had to enter your blog under these circumstances Lynyrd as I do enjoy it.

Hippie Scholar said...

Miss Spiritual Tramp 1979 said...

>>>>I am a fan of both Michael and "Michael's Backporch" youtube channel.<<<<

She's also known as 2012Luciferrising on youtube.

The keyword here is "FAN".


>>>
I have University degree and a well paying job.<<<

So do i. Let me ask you something, one professional to another, was it worth it?


>>>
I do not have substance abuse issues and have never been arrested, nor do I have mental health issues to be sure.<<<

Well, then that puts you in the small minority but congratulations for staying clean.


>>>
I personally find your "moral majority" posture to be both offensive and hilarious.<<<

People often said that about George Carlin. Love him or hate him the guy made good sense, no?

By the way, your youtube picture that reads "Monkey Boy Sucks" was quite a conversation piece.

Who is that old dude sitting on the sofa?


>>>>
You people are aware that your supreme leader is a convicted felon who is currently serving a life sentence right??<<<<

Convicted?

You're under the impression that he got a fair trial and was allowed to put on a defense and call witnesses?

I believe that Charles Manson was the fall guy for the hippie movement.

Charlie fell on the sword for much of what his "Fans" did and that's a fairly accurate description of what actually happened.


>>>
Since you put this out there I would be curious to know what University the current ATWA spokesperson ( or Charlie's girlfriend as she is also known) graduated from and where she is currently employed as these things seem to be a big concern for the ATWA organization.<<<<

I can't speak for Star but remember that William Jefferson Clinton was a road scholar who went on to become a US President.


>>>
The truth is you all need a big REALITY check as no one really cares about ATWA and trying to turn Charlie into Al Gore 2.0 has been an epic failure.<<<

Quite a few people care about ATWA based on what i've seen and they have an appreciation, an understanding, and a respect for the resources of this planet that allow us to survive here.

Protecting and preserving these resources is what ATWA is all about. It's a rebirth movement. We need to reclaim our planet so that we can restore order to that which is essential to our survival.


>>>
Sorry I had to enter your blog under these circumstances Lynyrd as I do enjoy it.<<<<

Lynyrd is a nice guy. He's very accomodating to all points of view and is probably one of the best blog moderators in cyber space. He allows the floor to be open to discussion on various topics and his flexibility is always appreciated.

katie8753 said...

>>>Jimmy said: You're under the impression that he got a fair trial and was allowed to put on a defense and call witnesses?>>>

He did get a fair trial....he did have a defense....there were no witnesses to call for his defense, unless you want to drag up some old orphanage buddy or an ex-cell mate. That's about as good as it gets.

>>>I believe that Charles Manson was the fall guy for the hippie movement.

Charlie fell on the sword for much of what his "Fans" did and that's a fairly accurate description of what actually happened.>>>

What Charlie wanted was for his minions to take the fall for him. They tried, but the jury saw way past all that shit. They knew that Charlie was calling the shots. He wasn't very good at being obsequious.

>>>I can't speak for Star but remember that William Jefferson Clinton was a road scholar who went on to become a US President.>>>

Ummm...did you mean a Rhodes Scholar??

And what does that have to do with Star's credentials and employment? You're dodging the lady's question.

ATWA is just another hoax to make Charlie look "not so dangerous anymore".

v717 said...

Miss Spirutal Tramp 1979 says:
"You people are aware that your supreme leader is a convicted felon who is currently serving a life sentence right??"
"Sorry, Miss Tramp ATWA has no leader."
Miss Tramp also says:"The truth is you all need a big REALITY check as no one really cares about ATWA and trying to turn Charlie into Al Gore 2.0 has been an epic failure."
A question: "What is it with ATWA that distress you?"

Hippie Scholar said...

katie8753 said...

>>>>
He did get a fair trial....he did have a defense....there were no witnesses to call for his defense, unless you want to drag up some old orphanage buddy or an ex-cell mate. That's about as good as it gets. <<<<

The only defense attorney there with any murder trial experience was Paul Fitzgerald who was representing Pat Krenwinkel.

The trial was a joke and it became more of an "US" versus "The System" kind of thing.

Even President Nixon declared Charles Manson guilty.

The entire case should have been dismissed.

Judge Older's daughter went to school with Pat Krenwinkel and was even waving to her at the trials and nobody says boo about that?

All 3 Manson Girls on trial were mental fruitloops who were clearly not competant to give testimony of any kind based on their mental states.

The Da broke every rule in the book in proceeding with the prosecution under these circumstances.

The goal was to "Get Manson" and nothing less than a conviction of Manson would satisfy the DA's office.

Forget about Tex Watson's drug enterprises and how Manson saved the life of Tex's girl friend whom he left to die for his drug burn of Bernard Crowe.

You allow me to re-try this case against Bugliosi and i'll guarantee you that Manson walks out a free man.

The US Govt wanted Charles Manson to be the fall guy for the hippie movement. he was tailor made for that task. He had a long prison record. He was far out in his philosophies. He was anti-society. He was made to order; the perfect fall guy that could be used to demonize and to crush the hippie movement.

Even Manson himself had told that Ben Horin reporter that the DA was given the green light to break the law to get a conviction of him and I believe that to be true.

Maybe one day someone will be able to seperate Vincent Bugliosi from Linda Kasabian and maybe we'll find out something NEW.

You're biased againt Manson Katie. It's obvious.

mattprokes said...

this won't end well.

katie8753 said...

>>>Jimmy said: You're biased againt Manson Katie. It's obvious.>>>

Is it really??? And I was trying so hard to hide it. HA HA HA.

>>>Judge Older's daughter went to school with Pat Krenwinkel and was even waving to her at the trials and nobody says boo about that?>>>

If she waved to her..so what?? Pat Krenwinkel was guilty and she was judged guilty by a jury of her peers, end of story.

Charles Manson was/still is guilty of murder, he is a convicted felon, he is serving out his sentence as we speak. Justice was served!!

And BTW, when you don't have a job and can't afford a voracious defense attorney, you get a court-appointed one. Same applies to anyone. Charlie was not singled out.

Charlie wasn't railroaded. He would have been just as guilty if he wasn't convicted.

Guilty As Charged!!!

katie8753 said...

>>>V717 said: "Sorry, Miss Tramp ATWA has no leader.">>>

That's impossible. There's always someone who thinks they're in charge.

And if Charlie is involved in this scam, I'm sure he's the leader.

leary7 said...

L/S and Katie...not to sound like a suck-up, but you guys are doing a great job handling the static and such. Katie's posts are so dead on regarding the trial and Charlie. And I for one have always enjoyed her spitfire nature - well, cept of course when I was in the line of fire. But that was mostly my bad.
Great work guys.

v717 said...

Katie 8753
Manson: "I´m not your leader and I´m not you follower."

katie8753 said...

Hi Leary!

Thanks for your post. I guess I am tenacious on certain issues, like a bulldog with a bone.

Feel free to join in if you wish. I'm not going to let this discussion go to the extreme. Just some "friendly" back & forth. HA HA.

katie8753 said...

>>>V717 said: Manson: "I´m not your leader and I´m not you follower.">>>

I guess he's confused about the leader part. He's sure not a follower. LOL.

Hippie Scholar said...

katie8753 said...

>>>If she waved to her..so what?? Pat Krenwinkel was guilty and she was judged guilty by a jury of her peers, end of story.<<<

Any good defense attorney would have insisted that Judge Older be removed from the case as a result of a conflict of interest. Clearly there was a connection between the defendants and the judge himself.


>>>And BTW, when you don't have a job and can't afford a voracious defense attorney, you get a court-appointed one. Same applies to anyone. Charlie was not singled out. <<<

No Shit; and you think that Charles Manson was well served by this?

They wouldn't let him represent himself.


>>>Charlie wasn't railroaded. He would have been just as guilty if he wasn't convicted.

Guilty As Charged!!!<<<<

It sounds like you and President Nixon were both on the same page.


All i can say is how convenient that Tex Watson was not in the courtroom with the others at the time of the trial.

I wonder what Linda Kasabian would have said on the witness stand under those circumstances?

Marliese said...

Hippie Scholar said >>>>>I can't speak for Star but remember that William Jefferson Clinton was a road scholar who went on to become a US President.<<<<<<<



Mr. Hippie Scholar...

I was going to be snippy and say that as a college graduate, you could do better than 'road scholar' (it's Rhodes Scholar...as in Cecil Rhodes... founder of Rhodesia in South Africa, awarded for graduate studies at Oxford University) but I didn't learn anything about Rhodes when i was in college...so in fairness, i can't be sarcastic with you about it. :)

I learned about Cecil Rhodes reading James Michener's magnificent double volume The Covenant.

Miss Spiritual Tramp 1979 said...

Hippie Scholar said:

So do i. Let me ask you something, one professional to another, was it worth it?

>>Of course it was worth it, in my opinion you cannot change or subvert any system unless you understand how it works from within. The programming which occurs at the University level is a prime example of that...as long as you are aware of it at least.

Hippie Scholar said:

By the way, your youtube picture that reads "Monkey Boy Sucks" was quite a conversation piece.

Who is that old dude sitting on the sofa?


>>You mean all those well educated ATWA Rhodes Scholars could not recognize the great author/philosopher William S. Burroughs???now thats sad.

Hippie Scholar said:

She's also known as 2012Luciferrising on youtube.

The keyword here is "FAN".

>>Just a friendly reminder that "FAN" is short for "FANATIC"..so yes I admit it...I am a FANATIC for that redneck digital cult leader also known as Michael..all cult leaders need fans..ask Charlie

The last time I checked Charlie was convicted in a court of law..thats a fact....Whether it was a fair trial or a show trial is a different matter all together.

Oh V717...take it easy..I have no problem with ATWA per se, I'm sure their goals and intentions are honourable..what I do have a problem with is their judgemental holier than thou profiling...are you all into Strait Edge or something??come on...look at your leader..I mean non leader..figure head??

And by the way V717 if you are trying to offend me by referring to me as "Miss Tramp"...you have the wrong number, I am a feminist and a BIKINI KILL FANATIC...great band by the way maybe you would like them.

"Miss Spiritual Tramp" is a literary refrence in case you did not know that and I am pretty sure you didn't.

Hippie Scholar said...

Marliese said...

>>>Hippie Scholar said >>>>>I can't speak for Star but remember that William Jefferson Clinton was a road scholar who went on to become a US President.<<<<<<<

OMG, can nobody understand that was a joke? Even the 3 stooges used that bit, duh.

Get it? Road, Rhode?

The MissSpiritualTramp1979 person was taking a stab at the educational background of someone in ATWA as if she was trying to diminsh her validity.

I took William Clinton as an example because of his backwoods Arkanasas background as if to say not to judge a book by its cover.

Forgive me. I know that unless i put a ':-)" sign after something i say, it stands to be treated as a serious statement.

katie8753 said...

>>>Jimmy said: OMG, can nobody understand that was a joke? Even the 3 stooges used that bit, duh.>>>

Get it? Road, Rhode>>>

If you have to explain a joke, then you're not a good joke teller and it's not funny.

Now back to the original question...what are/is Ms. Star's credentials and employment.

By not answering the question, you are admitting that she's probably a high school dropout and was working in a topless bar when she "found" Charlie.

Those fake "DD's" didn't hurt. Or maybe those were her grades. HA HA.

katie8753 said...

Marliese and Miss Spiritual Tramp:

Great posts!!!

Let's do a tag team attack on this guy!!! He'll never know what hit him. LOL.

I'll do a pile driver, then tag one of you to complete the brainbuster, followed by the Boston crab. HA HA.

v717 said...

"Miss Spiritual Tramp" is a literary refrence in case you did not know that and I am pretty sure you didn't.
(Jag är ledsen men vilken litterär referens pratar Du om?)
I´m sorry but what literary reference are you talking about?
And by the way what is a Bikini Kill FANATIC?

Hippie Scholar said...

Miss Spiritual Tramp 1979 said...

>>Of course it was worth it, in my opinion you cannot change or subvert any system unless you understand how it works from within.<<<

That's exactly right.

The inner workings of any collective body is where change needs to be implanted.

Once you get inside that thought, you can replace central programming with your own and thus bring about the desired effect.


>>>The programming which occurs at the University level is a prime example of that...as long as you are aware of it at least.<<<<

That's bush league stuff.

Have you read Dianetics by L. Ron Hubbard?

Now that's Great Stuff.



>>You mean all those well educated ATWA Rhodes Scholars could not recognize the great author/philosopher William S. Burroughs???now thats sad.<<

Edgar Rice Burroughs was more my thing. Always liked Tarzan as a kid. Tarzan was an ATWA kind of guy too.



>>Just a friendly reminder that "FAN" is short for "FANATIC"..so yes I admit it...I am a FANATIC for that redneck digital cult leader also known as Michael..all cult leaders need fans..ask Charlie<<<

Listen, if you need any new lingerie, make sure you check with Mike first. He's got a pair of stolen Manson girl panties that just might fit you; hardly used. In fact, i think he's worn them more than Country Sue did, but at least they're authentic.

Or if your dog needs a new tin can to eat out of, then Mike's your guy.

One stop shopping for all of your Manson Family needs.

Just look for the official backporchtapes authenticity label before you purchase anything.

Miss Spiritual Tramp 1979 said...

Hippie Scholar said:

The MissSpiritualTramp1979 person was taking a stab at the educational background of someone in ATWA as if she was trying to diminsh her validity

>>Okay lets get this strait because I am hip to your tricks and know how you operate..don't try to turn this around.

It was YOU who brought forth on behalf of the good people at ATWA the intel that they were DONE with Michael and all diplomatic ties were broken...it was all so dramatic really..then this from your inside source:

"And bpt has an audiance, an audiance of people with low education, mental and or intoxication issues or all kinds of ex-prisoners, not helpfull for our mission at all."

It stands to reason that if ATWA finds people with "low education" undesirable to their cause that their spokesperson would be "well educated" that was my question to you which of course you sidestepped and would not answer.

I myself am not an educational elitist...I think higher education is worthwhile for some and perhaps not so much for others, in fact Universities are quite good at turning out mindless sheep as my previous post touched upon.

Hippie Scholar said...

katie8753 said...

>>>
If you have to explain a joke, then you're not a good joke teller and it's not funny.<<<

Well i never claimed to be Rodney Dangerfield so you'll have to accept it for what it is.


>>>
Now back to the original question...what are/is Ms. Star's credentials and employment.<<<

You'll have to address that question to her. As for me, I don't see why this would make a difference.


>>>By not answering the question, you are admitting that she's probably a high school dropout and was working in a topless bar when she "found" Charlie. <<<<

You must be thinking of Susan Atkins.

Star, in my opinion, is an intellegent woman who just happens to be very musically and artistically inclined.

She has a love for nature and cares about doing things that benefit the environment. She's dedicated, loyal, and takes alot of pride in what she does and she has nothing to prove to me.

If you're basing her validity on whether or not she has a college degree then this only proves to me that your moral compass is broken.

You don't judge a book by its cover and you would be doing Star an injustice by judging her based on a piece of paper that is issued to people who, in most cases, come from afflunent families.

I've been around in my field long enough to know that some of the dumbest people that i've ever met in my profession were those that have college degrees, and some came from prestigous universities, which essentially did nothing for them along the lines of preparing them for life in the REAL world.

So i wouldn't so quick to judge Star until you really had a chance to talk to her and to see what she's all about.

Just my 2 cents.

v717 said...

Ladies and Gentleman may I present to you from Austin Texas "The Strip Cult"
Ron Weisberg aka Charlie
Stephanie Jagst aka Sharon.

http://thestripcult.com/TheStripCult.html

Miss Spiritual Tramp 1979 said...

v717 said:

I´m sorry but what literary reference are you talking about?

>>I will help you out with this because..well...just because...

"Miss Spiritual Tramp" is a reference you can find in a rather dark short story called "A Perfect Day For Bananafish" by the American author J.D.Salinger

Hippie Scholar said...

Miss Spiritual Tramp 1979 said...

>>Okay lets get this strait because I am hip to your tricks and know how you operate..don't try to turn this around.<<<

You caught me dealing from the botton of the deck again?

Or did those 3 Aces fall out of my sleeve?


>>>It was YOU who brought forth on behalf of the good people at ATWA the intel that they were DONE with Michael and all diplomatic ties were broken...it was all so dramatic really..then this from your inside source:<<<<

Yeah, dramatic like Kirk Gibson taking Dennis Eckersley deep in Game 1 of the 1988 World Series.


>>>>I myself am not an educational elitist...I think higher education is worthwhile for some and perhaps not so much for others, in fact Universities are quite good at turning out mindless sheep as my previous post touched upon.<<<<

You certainly sound Elitist to me but i have yet to see anything Elite coming from you other than OPINION.

Hippie Scholar said...

Miss Spiritual Tramp 1979 said...

>>>"Miss Spiritual Tramp" is a reference you can find in a rather dark short story called "A Perfect Day For Bananafish" by the American author J.D.Salinger<<<

Do you ever read anything good?

"A perfect day for Bananafish" is right up there with "The adventures of Curious George".

Hippie Scholar said...

Gotta love Miss Spiritual Tramp 1979.

I like how she gives you the book name and then drops the name of the author as if to make an additional impression.

She's definetly a Pillow Princess.

katie8753 said...

Well Jimmy, I'm basing my judgement on Star on the stupid video she made about getting Charlie released because he couldn't represent himself.

She talked rrrrrreeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaallllllllll ssssssslllllllllooooowwwwww, kinda like a mentally challenged person. In fact, repeating herself time and again.

>>>Jimmy said: Star, in my opinion, is an intellegent woman who just happens to be very musically and artistically inclined.>>>

Intelligent (not intellegent) woman? Not.

Musically and artistically inclined? Does she play an instrument? Which one?

>>>She has a love for nature and cares about doing things that benefit the environment. She's dedicated, loyal, and takes alot of pride in what she does and she has nothing to prove to me.>>>

What exactly does she do for the environment? Does she plant trees? Does she protest the Canadian pipeline? Does she donate to and support the endangered species? Has she created a wildlife refuge? Has she joined in any groups to stop offshore drilling?

Just a few things that a fastidious environmentalist would be doing.

>>>If you're basing her validity on whether or not she has a college degree then this only proves to me that your moral compass is broken.>>>

My moral compass is broken. I don't kill people, and I don't hang on some old dude that killed people.

>>>So i wouldn't so quick to judge Star until you really had a chance to talk to her and to see what she's all about.>>>

Well, sorry dude. I don't have that much time to listen to someone who talks that slow.

In my experience, someone who talks that slow is trying to formulate words to try to be conceived as a form of life that's a tiny bit above a warthog.

Marliese said...

Hippie Scholar said...
Marliese said...

>>>Hippie Scholar said >>>>>I can't speak for Star but remember that William Jefferson Clinton was a road scholar who went on to become a US President.<<<<<<<

OMG, can nobody understand that was a joke? Even the 3 stooges used that bit, duh.

Get it? Road, Rhode?<<<<<<<<<


Duh??

My mistake.

And here i was... expecting a half gracious thanks or maybe a little self deprecating humor for a silly mistake, instead of this 'it was wrong but i wanted it wrong' implausible excuse.

katie8753 said...

>>>Jimmy said: Have you read Dianetics by L. Ron Hubbard?

Now that's Great Stuff.>>>

Okay Rodney...now that's FUNNY!!!!

HA HA HA HA HA.

v717 said...

I thank you for that explanation Miss Spiritual Tramp. J.D. Salinger is a well known author.
I even think I have read something by him but that was many years ago.

katie8753 said...
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Miss Spiritual Tramp 1979 said...

Hippie Scholar said:

Do you ever read anything good?


>>hahaha.....yeah J.D.Salinger is still great and I think even v717 could grasp it which is why I wanted to spell it out for him/her...

But back to your initial question DO I READ ANYTHING GOOD??? well since we have established that you don't know who William S. Burroughs is and I am assuming the Twilight series does not count as "good" how about Dostoyevsky??

I love Dostoyevsky...THE DEVILS, THE BROTHERS KARAMAZOV..and hey maybe you will be familar with this Dostoyevsky classic THE IDIOT.

Okay this was really way to much fun...I am out, I may return again some time if you will have me..Bye everyone and Katie.

Hippie Scholar said...

katie8753 said...

>>>>
She talked rrrrrreeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaallllllllll ssssssslllllllllooooowwwwww, kinda like a mentally challenged person. In fact, repeating herself time and again.<<<<<

Keep in mind this was her 1st video and naturally it's not always easy to express yourself in front of an audio device.

Besides, she has to explain herself so that the backporchtapes audience can understand what she's saying so she has to keep it slow and simple.

Personally, i think Star did a Supurb job.



>>>>Intelligent (not intellegent) woman? Not.<<<<

Do i detect a little jealousy here Katie?


>>>Musically and artistically inclined? Does she play an instrument? Which one?<<<

She plays the Violin, Banjo and I believe guitar. AC Aldag can give you more information on Star's talents in those areas. She's an amazing woman.



>>>>
What exactly does she do for the environment? Does she plant trees?<<<

On the ATWA interactive homestead page that AC maintains, you can read up on some of their accomplihments as well as what they do locally.


>>>Has she joined in any groups to stop offshore drilling? <<<

Thanks to British Petroleum, the Gulf of Mexico is practically a dead wasteland full of toxic junk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=bLvNqlVNMh0

katie8753 said...

Hey Jimmy, do you fall asleep at night listening to L. Ron Hubbard on cassette?

Or maybe you listen to Charlie rant about Helter Skelter.

Or maybe you listen to Star talk about "the environment".

Actually the latter would put me to sleep faster.

"We need to save the trees for some reason"

"Don't remember now why"

"Can someone pass me another twinkie"

"Leroy set them traps for the coyotes and skunks like I told you."

"But we ain't supposed to kill animals, ain't that what ATWA done said?"

"You do what yer told. And also make sure you run the water and waste it."

"But Miz Star, they said we ain't 'posed to do that."

"You do what yer told. The government is out to get us. Do like yer told"

"Yowsum, Miss Star....Yowsum."

HA HA HA HA!

Maybe someone should tell Star was "saving the enviornment" means.

katie8753 said...

>>>Jimmy said: >>>Has she joined in any groups to stop offshore drilling? <<<

Thanks to British Petroleum, the Gulf of Mexico is practically a dead wasteland full of toxic junk.>>>

You didn't answer my question.

Does she read music???

katie8753 said...

>>>Jimmy said: >>>>Intelligent (not intellegent) woman? Not.<<<<

Do i detect a little jealousy here Katie?>>>

No...I detected a mis-spelled word.

bradley_nowell_805 said...

Seems your info on some people and their destroyed or shambled lives or whatever word you used, is a bit dated my little old friend......things are actually doing much better.....but all of this kinda just proves the point that you and the rest of that organization you call ATWA spew off things you have no clue about........my life is much much better now Jim, not that it was ever bad. I was just trapped within this lovely criminal justice system.......since then, lil Jimmy, things have improved considerably. So, thank you for caring and thank you for all your "great" advice on gold futures and earthquake guns and the bible and whatever else you want to talk about. You've been blasted from almost every blog and your last thread that connects you is named Afton. She too will see your true colors as have we all.......have a good life Jimmy Jim.....do all your ATWA friends know that you sent out memoribilia constantly too? Leslie letters, yearbooks, pictures.......seems you're pushing the collectables too.........PEACE & LOVE......

Hippie Scholar said...

katie8753 said...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Leroy set them traps for the coyotes and skunks like I told you."

"But we ain't supposed to kill animals, ain't that what ATWA done said?"

"You do what yer told. And also make sure you run the water and waste it."

"But Miz Star, they said we ain't 'posed to do that."

"You do what yer told. The government is out to get us. Do like yer told"

"Yowsum, Miss Star....Yowsum."
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Racial overtures coming from you Katie? I'm shocked beyond words.

That's so Uncle Tom of you.

It sounds to me like you're not very fond of Star for whatever reason.

What would James Mason say about this?

bradley_nowell_805 said...

Hello Lynyrd......love your blog my friend...I read all the time....sorry for venting, but I can't stand cockroaches and cowards.......you're awesome Lynyrd....keep it up brother

katie8753 said...

Okay Jimmy, it's well past my bedtime, and I'm heading to the bunkhouse.

I'll say one more thing.

When this "Star" can play Beethoven's Appassionata Sonata on violin or the "jug" or "comb" or whatever it is she's musically been trained to, I'll sing a different story.

Until then..I'm done tonight.

I hope we're done period. It was fun for a while, but now it's tiring.

Gute Nacht.

Hippie Scholar said...

bradley_nowell_805 said...

>>>>my life is much much better now Jim, not that it was ever bad. I was just trapped within this lovely criminal justice system.......since then, lil Jimmy, things have improved considerably.<<<<

I'm glad to hear that your life is going well. That's all that really matters at the end of the day.


>>>>
So, thank you for caring and thank you for all your "great" advice on gold futures and earthquake guns and the bible and whatever else you want to talk about.<<<<

Jesus Christ cared too and look what it got him.

As for the rest, you got a free ride from my market expertise. If you listened, you made some damn good money. If you didn't, well then you're no worse off for the experience.



>>>>
You've been blasted from almost every blog and your last thread that connects you is named Afton. She too will see your true colors as have we all.......have a good life Jimmy Jim.....<<<

And you view this as a bad thing?

These blogs, with the exception of this one, are run by social deviants that steal facebook pictures and who try to claim 5 minutes of fame for their own lives that nobody gives a shit about. I'm way beyond caring about blogs my friend. I have too many other things that i have to dedicate my time to.

This return to the Skynyrd blog is a rare occurrence that is the product of my current itinerary.


>>>>
do all your ATWA friends know that you sent out memoribilia constantly too? Leslie letters, yearbooks, pictures.......seems you're pushing the collectables too.........PEACE & LOVE......<<<

Yeah, they sure do. In fact Star has one of my Leslie letters along with a picture that a guard had once stolen from Charlie which AC Aldag knows about.

Unlike your boy Mike who is looking to "SELL" his inventory, i gave alot of my stuff away for "FREE" and even paid the shipping myself.

I never charged anyone. It's my way of giving something back to the fans who wouldn't be able to otherwise afford these items on their own.

You really shouldn't be worrying about these blogs. In fact, you shouldn't even be on them yourself. Lynyrd's blog is really the only blog that i visit at all because i've dealt with him for years and he's done a great job with it.

The rest of the HTLB world is just a pile of horseshit.

Once you start running a blog that relies on stolen facebook pictures to fuel its membership, then you pretty much know that it's game over.

If that's what you're into, good luck, that's all i can say.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I've been busy all day... and only have a few minutes... so here goes:

Spiritual Tramp:
Welcome to the blog.

Leary:
Great to see you again brother!
Thanks for the compliment.

V717:
JD Salinger wrote "The Catcher in the Rye" for cripes sakes.
He's not an obscure author.

Marliese:
You Rock.

Jim:
Isn't "peace and love" supposed to be the creedo of these groups you're affiliated with?
Ya know... "live and let live".
Isn't this whole situation a bit overblown?
Forgiveness?
I thought you and Michael were good friends at one time?
Jeez Jim... it's not like Michael's the devil incarnate or something.

Bradley:
Great to see you!
You're a good friend.
I'm glad you're doing well.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Oh, and MattP:

Your four words, are the best part of this entire thread!! LOL

I almost died laughing...

Truer words were never spoken!

v717 said...

I must point out that ATWA also is a "state of mind."

katie8753 said...

The Statement of Purpose at the Mansondirect website is:

"The purpose of this website is to provide current and accurate information about Charles Manson and ATWA, and to present Mansons' spoken and written words in truth, without interference or manipulation."

I looked thru the links, and I have to say, the "How You Can Help" link is very good. Lots of good info on there and good ideas.

But the rest of this website is just Charlie doing his psycho-babble.

That's a shame.

starship said...

Hi, Katie, Hi, Lynyrd,

HI, JIM! I was worried about you when Hurricane Irene cam by, althopugh it was only a tropical storm by the time it got to Staten Island. Sure enough did enough damage up here though...Glad to see you made it through!

starship said...

I think I'm going to start referring to myself as a 'Road Scholar'

Priceless.

katie8753 said...

Hi Starship!

>>>I think I'm going to start referring to myself as a 'Road Scholar' Priceless.>>>

Is that kinda like being an "asphalt specialist". HA HA HA.

St. Circumstance said...

Ya know...

I think next weekend I will pay more attention to this and less to Football if I am going to miss stuff like this...

:)

katie8753 said...

Hi St!

We missed you this weekend. Good to see you!

St. Circumstance said...

Matts infamous :

This wont end well..

is what made me take the time to read this entire post...

some new names- some old BS

but all very entertaining reading...

congrats to all :)

St. Circumstance said...

Thanks Katie...

as Leary said- great job lol

Lynn said...
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St. Circumstance said...

Watched a movie On Demand Sat night called' The Magic Trip" and it was a documentary about the pranksters,and kessey, and had all the old actual footage from the bus... it was narrated by surviving members of the pranksters, and of course by Cassidy while on the bus...

some great old footage of Jerry playing at one of the original Acid Tests...

it was not a wide release movie, and you will have to look for it- but it is def worth the effort...

if you dig that sort of thing

katie8753 said...

Hi Lynn! Good to see you. We missed you this weekend as well.

mattprokes said...

alls well that ends well.
when i wrote that i had visions of katie having to hire irving kanarek this morning.
but i check in today and no dismembered bloggers,hardly any deleted comments and a general atmosphere of calm.
oh well theres always tonight.

St. Circumstance said...

Matt- I believe that some of the peeps that were involved with this thread could have put on quite a show for you had they wanted to...

I dare say the three most fierce bloggers I have ever come across were in this post over the weekend...

at least the three most fierce I have come across...

and thats not to say that some of the knuckle heads who have recently shown up on some other blogs cant be more insulting and vicious from time to time...

but they are mostly morons who are here to play those type of games...

The people in here are more dangerous- because aside from being very fierce adversaries...

they mostly know what they are talking about....

and they believe in what they know..

so the volume gets turned up- in my opinion- just a bit more- when credibility is at stake, and not just who can get loudest...

( I had to lose a few battles that way to learn that lesson)

St. Circumstance said...

Ya know...

never had an issue with Katie- our hostess lol-

but watching her over the last year handle trouble with others...

maybe I need to make that the 4 most fierce bloggers

:) Katie certainly doesn't take any shit lol

mattprokes said...

the craziest i've ever seen was col.scott on the clark ronson board back in the late 90s...he used to tear people a new asshole on a regular basis and he was usually right if a bit over the top(and very entertaining at times with his sledgehammer wit).
he still does from time to time but he seems to have chilled out a bit since the days of the message boards.
i've got to say katie is most effective when she doesnt lose her temper....a few months back some of the things that were said last night would have caused her to lose her temper and distract her from whatever point she was trying to make.
now she just laughs off stuff like that and says what she feels....a true hostess.
just don't push her too far!

St. Circumstance said...

Sounds like you have been around awhile Matt...

I have only been on-board for about three years..

Col makes alot of references I don't get- it must have been wild when it was all new...

Mary said...

Katie - what fun...and a great hostess! I thoroughly enjoyed catching up with this thread. As Lynyrd would say - YOU ROCK!!!!

mattprokes said...

been through some cyberwars way back when.
at 47 i'm getting too old for the fighting bullshit.....but i do like to watch!

katie8753 said...

Oh you guys are so sweet. You're making me blush. HA HA.

Maybe Lynyrd should change my title to Hostess/Bouncer.

I've finally learned in my long/short life that letting someone pull the pin off the grenade doesn't do any good at all.

At least...I hope I can remember that every time. Like you said Matt, sometimes I can be pushed too far. LOL.

Mary...good to see you!

katie8753 said...

This ATWA stuff was started after Charlie was convicted. It was a ruse instigated by Charlie, first of all, so Sandy could threaten companies that they were polluting the environment, thereby eventually throwing guilt on the government, the same "government" that put Charlie in prison.

This whole "anti-government" thing is another ruse imposed by Charlie. He's like every other homeless, indigent person you talk to: "the government did it".

Secondly, it was designed to make Charlie seem "more docile" and therefore, trying to create the illusion that he was not involved in murder.

If you do a search for worldwide environmental groups, ATWA is not found.

So what is it they are doing exactly....other than trying to get Charlie's psychotic message out and thereby possibly get him out?

This lawyer who has taken up the cause to get Charlie out, for some unknown reason, has seemingly disappeared.

Did he have a camping accident too? HA HA.

v717 said...

It seems to me Katie 8753 that you are to much into Conspiracy Theory.

mattprokes said...

are there any examples of manson talking up atwa BEFORE the murders?

mattprokes said...

or even during the trials.
that would have been a great time to promote atwa if it was something he/they thought was so important

v717 said...

Charlie and the girls were in reality a survivalist group. They were not Hippies they were Slippies. Their lifestyle and philosophy was to get away from the modern urban decay of big city and create a new type of commune. A commune without any connection to the surrounding modern society.
And that is ATWA.

mattprokes said...

heres what atwa left behind at barker ranch,fast forword to 4:56
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCwwVL04df4

children of nature indeed.

mattprokes said...

my prediction came true i was just off by 24 hours.
thanks for cleaning up that mess quickly.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Saint said:
>>>>>"Watched a movie On Demand Sat night called' The Magic Trip" and it was a documentary about the pranksters,and kessey, and had all the old actual footage from the bus... it was narrated by surviving members of the pranksters, and of course by Cassidy while on the bus"...
Continued...
it was not a wide release movie, and you will have to look for it- but it is def worth the effort<<<<


Thanks Saint!
I'm DEFINITELY going to find a copy of "The Magic Trip"... the first chance I get!

As I've said many times...
"The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" is hands-down... my favorite book of all-time.

Ten years ago...
I desperately wanted to see the original footage of Ken Kesey and his "merry pranksters" on their bus "Further".
At that time... the ONLY place you could find the film(s) were on Ken's website (run by his son).
The prices were outrageous, at that time.
$100 dollars for one film.

Lynn recently said she watched footage of the original bus trip and acid tests, also... as part of some public showing.

"Spurred-on" by your stories (You and Lynn)...
I just checked the Kesey site for the first time in ten years... and the prices are very reasonable now.
$17 for a DVD.
3 DVD's for $45.
4 DVD's for $55.
They've really "loosened-up".

Anyone interested in this stuff... please visit the "official" Kesey site, operated by his son "Zane Kesey":

Main Page here:
http://www.key-z.com/

Video Page here:
http://www.key-z.com/video.html

There's LOTS of great stuff there... and the prices are pretty reasonable now...

BTW... this shirt is just too cool!

http://www.key-z.com/attire.html

mattprokes said...

you should try the torrent sites...most anything can be found there.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Good idea Matt!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Someone told me today... the "Stanley Cup" is going to be at the "Providence Dunk" tomorrow night (well, technically tonight now).

I'm not sure how true it is... but, I figured I'd mention it.

starship said...

v717: You think Katie is too much into conspiracy theories? You're the one spewing all the ATWA BS and always quoting Krassner Brussels and Sanders.

I don't know you at all, but I am assuming that you are probably young...not even born yet when this whole thing went down, and are only recently become involved in all this. There is nothing wrong with any of that it just seems that you're pretty vocal for someone being so far behind the curve.

katie8753 said...

V717, like I said yesterday, I visited that ATWA site, and there is one link that is directly related to the environment and it's very informative, but the rest of the website is generally Charlie spouting off about every strange thing on earth.

Like I said before, the Mission Statement is this:

"The purpose of this website is to provide current and accurate information about Charles Manson and ATWA, and to present Mansons' spoken and written words in truth, without interference or manipulation."

Basically, it's a place where Manson can say whatever he thinks without "interference or manipulation".

I hope you understand my purpose in stating this again.

8/9 baby said...

I'm just catching up on this thread, sorry. I wanted to say, I have never taken ATWA seriously. To me, it seems like a logical ploy for Manson. It was an apt reading of the pop culture in the early 70's, as many on the fringe gravitated towards environmentalism and all that. It sounds nice to say all you care about is animals, trees, water, and air. People who are drawn in by Charlie's crazy charisma can use that to legitimize their morbid attraction. Charlie gets attention, love, money in his prison account - and he never has to do anything but sit in prison. It is easy to have noble goals and good intentions when no one can really expect you to act on them because you're locked up.

Talk is cheap, especially from someone in jail. All Charlie can possibly offer from where he sits is T A L K. That's what pimps and con men do best, it's how they get by. So whether it's the environment, or peace, or justice, or lower prices on beer by the case - whatever the supposed cause, its just talk.

As for the others involved, it seems to me that their only true cause is Manson. If you want to help stop and reverse human-caused damage to the environment, involvement with ATWA would be taking the long way around, so to speak.

katie8753 said...

Hi 8/9 Baby. Great comment. You just about summed it up regarding Charlie and ATWA. I couldn't have said it better!!! LOL.

sbuch113 said...

mattprokes asked if there are any examples of Manson talking up ATWA before his arrest or at least during the trial.
There is the Tuesday's Child interview, done after his arrest, around the time the trial was set to begin.
In it Manson starts off talking about how humans are trashing up the environment, cutting trees ect.
The acronym ATWA isn't heard, I don't think that came until much later, but he is sounding off in an ATWA kind of speal.
You can read the interview at the official site for ATWA.

v717 said...

Here we have Starship who is lamenting that I am being so far behind the curve that I really don´t know what I´m talking about. Well what to say about that?
ATWA is two faces. First It is a genuine concern for the environment and what the industrialism has done to the Earth. The industrialism has in so many ways changed the conditions under wich we all lives that it has disturbed the natural balance in Nature. That is what almost all scientist agree upon. But as a matter of fact Manson foresaw that as early as back in the 50s. In the 50s nobody cared about the environment. So, as I said before Manson and the girls was forrunners for the environmental movement;by the way they lived and their philosophy.
ATWA. Air – Trees – Water – Animals. The REALLY ironic thing is that Manson is the father (the originals where the “old people” – the native inhabitants of America) of the modern environmental philosophy. Read his words and compare them to the “climate hysteria” of today’s politicians, journalists, scientists and many more – do they know that they are speaking the words of Charles Manson?
Squeaky: "All we wanted to do was to get away from the city."

v717 said...

Second. As I said ATWA is two faces.
Charles Manson belongs to a special “group” of people that indeed are rare and few throughout the history. This group of people have through the course of evolution changed on the surface so to say but the underlying “power” and the “patterns” have remained unchanged through the (probable) millennia. 100 000 years ago we needed physical force and endurance to survive in a harsh environment that forced mankind to develop extreme features. Of some unknown reason nature added to our existence a great brain and mind – maybe “compensating” us for a psychical weakness
As we left the savannah, built cities and walls, more sophisticated surroundings and cultures… the need for “brute physical force” became less needed. But the underlying force, the “core-force”, remained. Our genes haven´t changed. Our genes still remember those camp fires long time ago.
IF there is an ongoing strong development in the human race since its beginning and to this day… HOW would we evolve in today’s world? HOW would a “future human” look like? Well, here appearances are very deceiving as the THOUGHT that defines us are what matters from a strict logical perspective. The definition of a future human being is therefore “I think MORE – therefore I am”. .
L Ron Hubbard and later David Miscavige and a whole bunch of other “mental elites” in other “thought-religions” and areas of the world probably knew that Manson was light-years from their minds and ideas. They most likely feared him – as many others did.
You would not expect to see a hard rough biker like Danny De Carlo, member of Straight Satan MC-Club being afraid of Manson; though apparently, he clearly was. Who did people fear in the far away past? The few ones who could not be beaten in “standard battle”. This truth is the same today but on the surface that battlefield has changed form. The former wild clashes with swords and bows has transformed to become battles in the mind. Manson says: "I´m the man in the mirror." So he is and he is still the master of the battlefield.

FrankM said...

The 'fear' is perhaps the fear that one has of an unpredictable and uncontrollable psychopath.

I'm sure that all of us have once in a while come across people who scare the shit out of us and we can't really say why. Think Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet- would you want to be alone in a confined space with him.

Most psychopaths have developed social skills part of the time - charisma, good communicators and the gift of the gab (call it the Dr Jekyll side)- but the bi-polar nature of their condition also shines through from time to time and that's when you see Mr Hyde reveal himself, and panic sets in.

Just some cod psychology, and all perhaps.

FrankM

katie8753 said...

Hi Sbuch. In everything I've read or heard, I don't think there was a lot of emphasis placed on the environment BEFORE the murders and before Charlie's conviction.

Now Charlie is talking about the environment. ATWA isn't making any impact on the environmental issues. There are groups out there that are making an impact, maybe because they are funded by wealthy participants, maybe because they have a big presence in the "powers that be".

There was a movement to start protecting the environment in the 70's, but it was really weak. People didn't really get into it back then. I know...I was there.

But now...people are really looking to try to save our natural resources, and many cities are now creating recycling as part of our daily lives. I see it everywhere now.

Which is a good thing.

If Charlie wants to talk about it now...that's fine. It can't be a bad thing to talk about.

But Charlie uses it as a tool to suck people into his "game", just like he has always done.

So bottom line is....there are active environmental groups who are actually making a difference now, but Charlie's group ATWA is not one of them.

ATWA is basically a platform for Charlie to spew his nonsense to anyone who will listen without interruption.

Does that make sense?

katie8753 said...

>>V717 said: Here we have Starship who is lamenting that I am being so far behind the curve that I really don´t know what I´m talking about. Well what to say about that?>>>

Well V717, I agree with Starship.

Your posts are so convoluted that I can't even make sense of them.

And quite frankly, I'm tired of trying to figure them out.

So I'll just say...have a nice evening. LOL.

katie8753 said...

Hi Frank!

>>>Frank said: Most psychopaths have developed social skills part of the time - charisma, good communicators and the gift of the gab (call it the Dr Jekyll side)- but the bi-polar nature of their condition also shines through from time to time and that's when you see Mr Hyde reveal himself, and panic sets in.>>>

Well said Frank. You've described Charlie to a "T".

Case in point, look at Ted Bundy. He was as psychotic as you can possibly get, but his Dr. Jekyll side was quite charming, boyish, entertaining and a "damn good catch" to a young woman. of course, she didn't live to regret her actions regarding Bundy.

v717 said...

Katie 8753
I´m speaking in metaphors.
This is HELTER SKELTER.
Susan Atkins was asked what they did all day at the Ranch? "We played games. Forgot who we were. We went into another dimensions."
Then Linda Kasabian gets on the stand and says: “They were going to kill a man, they were going to kill a man in an automobile. Manson preached death (in the mind) to liberate his followers from the games of the old culture, games which were leading to wars, famine, oppression, the destruction of the planet. But the death of the old game-playing ego was only a prelude to the "rebirth of the new spirit."
And here is the tragic thing. Manson presumably didn´t understand that his followers couldn´t grasp the difference between literal and metaphysical meanings. As they understood it Manson´s preaching of liberation meant "here and now." But Manson only wanted to liberate the mind.
Ruth Ann Moorehouse aka Ouish said: "We all have to go through HELTER SKELTER. If we don´t do in our heads we will have to do it physically."
But I myself doub´t very much that Manson had any intentions to start some kind of war.

sbuch113 said...

Hi Katie, Makes perfect sense.

Lynn said...

I actually went to the theatre showing of The Magic Trip about a month ago in Los Angeles. THe filmaker was there. There also was a "magic bus" on the premises. I hopped on and had tea with the owners of the bus. They were of a religious sect called the Twelve Tribes and I believe the sect started in Nashville.

Great movie worth seeing

Lynn said...

V717

"L Ron Hubbard and later David Miscavige and a whole bunch of other “mental elites” in other “thought-religions” and areas of the world probably knew that Manson was light-years from their minds and ideas. They most likely feared him – as many others did."

What gives you the impression and/or proof that Hubbard and Miscaviage are "mental elites"? What is your proof? How much do you really know about Scientology?

v717 said...

Lynn.
What gives you the impression and/or proof that Hubbard and Miscaviage are "mental elites"? What is your proof? How much do you really know about Scientology?
Lynn "Mental elite" is just a term I used. But Scientology use rather hard "mental techniques" to achive certain levels of indipendent from normal feelings like jealoysy, anger, frustration, pain and so on.
They belive that if you got rid of those feelings then you become a truly genuine person.
You don´t have to bother yourself any more with such feelings and your life will become more complete.

Lynn said...
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katie8753 said...

>>>V717 said: Lynn "Mental elite" is just a term I used. But Scientology use rather hard "mental techniques" to achive certain levels of indipendent from normal feelings like jealoysy, anger, frustration, pain and so on.
They belive that if you got rid of those feelings then you become a truly genuine person.
You don´t have to bother yourself any more with such feelings and your life will become more complete.>>>

Get rid of jealousy, anger, frustration??? Charlie didn't get rid of those feelings. It's because of those feelings that folks are dead now.

Did that make his life more complete???

v717 said...

Katie 8753
Manson is not a Scientologist.
You are on the wrong track here.

MrPoirot said...

Matt on Liz's site is a gay guy who lacks knowledge of the Manson case and has been the leader of attcks coming from The Col's site onto other sites. They come in packs. Matt is posing naked on Liz's site.

Janson2112 said...

Now I see why the Manson Family has dwindled down to nothing, just read hippischolar's post, he doesn't get charlies lingo right, poor manson must be pissed with these new idiots running his family