Thursday, May 24, 2012

Preston Guillory... Conspiracy Theory Central
*Former Deputy of LA Sheriff's Department
*Participated in 8/16/69 Raid on Spahn Ranch
*Testified during the Penalty Phase of the Manson Trial
*Left the Sheriff's Department around 1970 and became Private Investigator
*Best known for stating (in an interview with Paul Krassner)... that he was instructed to observe Manson and Co.,
but not arrest them (See Below)
Preston Guillory Stated to Paul Krassner:
We had been briefed for a few weeks prior to the actual raiding of Spahn Ranch.  We had a sheaf of memos on Manson, that they had automatic weapons at the ranch, that citizens had complained about hearing machine-guns fired at night, that firemen from the local fire station had been accosted by armed members of Manson's band and told to get out of the area, all sorts of complaints like this.

We had been advised to put anything relating to Manson on a memo submitted to the station, because they were supposedly gathering information for the raid we were going to make.  Deputies at the station of course started asking, "Why aren't we going to make the raid sooner?"  I mean, Manson's a parole violator, machine-guns have been heard, we know there's narcotics and we know there's booze. 
He's living at the Spahn Ranch with a bunch of minor girls in complete violation of his parole.

Deputies at the station quite frankly became very annoyed that no action was being taken about Manson.  My contention is this -- the reason Manson was left on the street was because our department thought that he was going to attack the Black Panthers.  We were getting intelligence briefings that Manson was anti-black and he had supposedly killed a Black Panther, the body of which could not be found, and the department thought that he was going to launch an attack on the Black Panthers.

Manson was a very ready tool, apparently, because he did have some racial hatred and he wanted to vent it.  But they hadn't anticipated him attacking someone other than the Panthers, which he did.  Manson changed his score.  Changed the program at the last moment and attacked the Tates and then went over to the LaBiancas and killed them.  And here was the Sheriff's Department suddenly wondering, "Jesus Christ, what are we gonna do about this?  We can't cover this up.  Well, maybe we can."

I bet those memos are no longer in existence.  The memos about what Manson was doing.  Citizens' complaints.  All those things I'm sure have disappeared by now. 

It shows the police were conscious of the fact that he had these weapons in violation of his parole.  You've got at least involvement here on the part of Manson's parole officer, on the part of the Sheriff's Department, probably the sheriff himself, and whoever gave him his orders.  Manson should have been [imprisoned] long before the killings, because he was on parole, period. 
He was living at the Spahn Ranch with an outlaw motorcycle gang.  I feel that, to say the least, the sheriff of Los Angeles County is an accessory to murder.

The raid was a week after the Sharon Tate thing, and the intelligence information was coming in for about three weeks prior to the raid.  They just didn't want any arrests made.  It was obvious they wanted the intelligence information we were gathering for some other reason.  Three days after they were arrested, 72 hours later, they were all released -- lack of evidence -- after this mammoth raid.  This raid involved two helicopters, 102 deputies and about 25 radio cars, and all the charges were dropped against everyone.

It appeared to me that the raid was more or less staged as an afterthought.  It was like a scenario that we were going through.  There was some kind of a grand plan that we were participating in, but I never had the feeling the raid was necessary or that it required so many personnel.  Now, if you were a police official and you were planning a raid on the Spahn Ranch, utilizing 102 deputies and helicopters and all that, one would think that with all the information coming out a month prior to the raid, wouldn't you have them under fairly close surveillance?  If you did have them under fairly close surveillance, wouldn't you see them leave the Spahn Ranch to go over and kill seven people and then come back?

So the hypothesis I put forward is, either we didn't have them under surveillance for grand-theft-auto because it was a big farce, or else they were under surveillance by somebody much higher than the Sheriff's Department, and they did go through this scenario of killing at the Tate house and then come back, and then we went through the motions to do our raid.  Either they were under surveillance at the time, which means somebody must have seen them go to the Tate house and commit the killings, or else they weren't under surveillance.

You have to remember that Charlie was on federal parole all this time from '67 to '69.  Do you realize all the shit he was getting away with while he was on parole? Now here's the kicker.  Before the Tate killings, he had been arrested at Malibu twice for statutory rape.  Never got [imprisoned for parole violation].  During the Tate killings and the Spahn Ranch raid, Manson's parole officer was on vacation, so he had no knowledge of Manson being incarcerated, so naturally Manson was released, but why wasn't a parole hold put on him?

It's like Manson had God on his side when all these things are going down, or else somebody was watching every move he made, somebody was controlling from behind the scenes.  Somebody saw that no parole hold was placed.  Manson liked to ball young girls, so he just did his thing and he was released and they didn't put any hold on him.  But somebody very high up was controlling everything that was going on and was seeing to it that we didn't bust Manson. 

Prior to the Spahn Ranch raid, there was a memo -- it was verbal, I would have loved to Xerox some things but there wasn't anything to Xerox -- that we weren't to arrest Manson or any of his followers prior to the raid.  It was intimated to us that we were going to make a raid on the Spahn ranch, but the captain came out briefly and said, "No action is to be taken on anybody at the Spahn ranch.  I want memos submitted directly to me with a cover sheet so nobody else can read them."

So deputies were submitting memos on information about the Spahn Ranch that other deputies weren't even allowed to see.  We were to submit intelligence information but not to make any arrests.   Manson was in a free fire zone, so to speak.   He was living a divine existence.   We couldn't touch him....

It seems Cats at TOTL, will be airing a New Podcast Interview with Preston Guillory very soon.
"Click" below for a full BIO of Paul Krassner.
He's as bizarre, strange and controversial, as he is impressive.

Paul Krassner calls himself an investigative satirist. Don Imus labeled him “one of the comic geniuses of the 20th century.” And, according to the Los Angeles Reader, “Krassner delivers 90 minutes of the funniest, most intelligent social and political commentary in town.”

On the other hand, a couple of FBI agents went to one of his performances and stated in their report, “He purported to be humorous about government policies.” His FBI files indicate that after Life magazine published a favorable profile of him, the FBI sent a poison-pen letter to the editor, complaining: “To classify Krassner as a social rebel is far too cute. He’s a nut, a raving, unconfined nut.”

“The FBI was right,” says George Carlin. “This man is dangerous – and funny; and necessary.”

ABC newscaster Harry Reasoner wrote in his memoirs, “Krassner not only attacks establishment values; he attacks decency in general.” So Krassner named his one-person show Attacking Decency in General, receiving awards from the L.A. Weekly and DramaLogue. He is the only person in the world ever to win awards from both Playboy (for satire) and the Feminist Party Media Workshop (for journalism).

When People magazine called Krassner “Father of the underground press,” he immediately demanded a paternity test. Actually, he had published The Realist magazine from 1958 to 1974. He reincarnated it as a newsletter in 1985. “The taboos may have changed,” he wrote, “but irreverence is still our only sacred cow.” The final issue was published in Spring, 2001.

His style of personal journalism constantly blurred the line between observer and participant. He interviewed a doctor who performed abortions when it was illegal; Krassner then ran an underground abortion referral service. He covered the antiwar movement; then co-founded the Yippies with Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin (writing a few animated re-enactment scenes for the documentary “Chicago 10” four decades later). He published material on the psychedelic revolution; then took LSD with Tim Leary, Ram Dass and Ken Kesey, later accompanying Groucho Marx on his first acid trip.

He edited Lenny Bruce’s autobiography, How to Talk Dirty and Influence People, and with Lenny’s encouragement, became a stand-up comic himself, opening at the Village Gate in New York in 1961. Ten years later – five years after Lenny’s death – Groucho said, “I predict that in time Paul Krassner will wind up as the only live Lenny Bruce.” He was nominated for a 2005 Grammy Award in the Album Notes category for his 5,000-word essay accompanying a 6-CD package, Lenny Bruce: Let the Buyer Beware. Krassner rarely works the comedy-club circuit, preferring to perform on campuses, at theaters and in art galleries.

He has been a guest on Late Night with Conan O’Brien and Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher; on Air America Radio with Janeane Garofalo and on with Marc Maron. He hosted his own radio call-in show in San Francisco.

Paul is an occasional contributor to the Huffington Post. His articles have appeared in Rolling Stone, Spin, Playboy, Penthouse, Mother Jones, the Nation, New York, National Lampoon, Utne Reader, the Village Voice, the San Francisco Chronicle, the Los Angeles Times, the L.A. Weekly, New York Press, High Times and Funny Times.

His venues have ranged from the New Age Expo to the Skeptics Conference, from a Neo-Pagan Festival to the L.A. County Bar Association, from a Swingers Convention to the Brentwood Bakery, where members of the audience were each given a free pastry of their choice. Over the years, he has built up a cult following that has steadily been edging into mainstream awareness.

His reviews have been highly complimentary. The New York Times: “He is an expert at ferreting out hypocrisy and absurdism from the more solemn crannies of American culture.” The Los Angeles Times: “He has the uncanny ability to alter your perceptions permanently.” The San Francisco Chronicle: “Krassner is absolutely compelling. He has lived on the edge so long he gets his mail delivered there.”

He was head writer for an HBO special satirizing the 1980 presidential election campaign, did on-air commentary for the Fox network's Wilton-North Report, and — a decade after poking fun at Ronald Reagan — was a writer on Ron Reagan's syndicated late-night TV talk show.

Mercury Records released his first two comedy albums, “We Have Ways of Making You Laugh” and “Brain Damage Control.” Artemis Records released his next four: “Sex, Drugs and the Antichrist: Paul Krassner at MIT,” “Campaign in the Ass,” “Irony Lives!” and “The Zen Bastard Rides Again.”

His autobiography, Confessions of a Raving, Unconfined Nut: Misadventures in the Counter-Culture, published by Simon & Schuster, sold 30,000 copies. An expanded edition is now available on Paul's website and also as an e-book on Kindle.

His other books include:

The Winner of the Slow Bicycle Race: The Satirical Writings of Paul Krassner, with an introduction by Kurt Vonnegut

A trilogy of anthologies: Pot Stories For the Soul, with an introduction by Harlan Ellison, Psychedelic Trips For the Mind and Magic Mushrooms and Other Highs: From Toad Slime to Ecstasy

Sex, Drugs and the Twinkie Murders: 40 Years of Countercultural Journalism

Impolite Interviews

Murder At the Conspiracy Convention and Other American Absurdities, with an introduction by George Carlin

One Hand Jerking: Reports From an Investigative Satirist, with a foreword by Harry Shearer and an introduction by Lewis Black

In Praise of Indecency: Dispatches From the Valley of Porn

Who's to Say What's Obscene: Politics, Culture & Comedy in America Today, with a foreword by Arianna Huffington.

In May 2004, Krassner received an ACLU Uppie (Upton Sinclair) Award for dedication to freedom of expression. At the 14th annual Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam, he was inducted into the Counterculture Hall of Fame – “my ambition,” he claims, “since I was three years old.”

And in December, 2010, the writers' organization PEN honored him with their Lifetime Achievement Award. “I'm very happy to receive this award,” Paul concluded in his acceptance speech, “and even happier that it wasn't posthumous.”


katie8753 said...

I find this conspiracy theory dubious at best.

It's so easy to say anything you want AFTER the fact. When did this interview take place anyway?

Why would the police think that Charlie was going to annihilate the Black Panthers? They didn't even know he shot Crowe.

After Charlie shot Crowe, his only objective was to hide in the desert. He feared their retribution because he thought he killed him. He grew more and more paranoid.

It's one of the reasons that Charlie ordered the murders at Tate & LaBianca. To blame it on the blacks. He wasn't try to kill the blacks. Only blame them.

Bobby tried to blame them at Gary's by leaving a paw print.

I'm just not buying this.

Unknown said...

while i'm a bit of a cynic in general i'd like to hear what this guy has to say before dismissing it outright.
how long has cats had a podcast?
krasser seems like a very interesting guy.

Unknown said...

backporchtapes posted this last night.....interesting

katie8753 said...

Thanks for the link Matt.

This is very interesting. But it may end up being nothing. There aren't any additional murders mentioned in the book "Will You Die For Me" that I can remember. I don't know why Hoekstra would exclude info on other murders if Tex had admitted to it.

A hearing is scheduled for Tuesday to see if the police can have the audio.

I guess we'll find out. :)

katie8753 said...

If there are other murders mentioned, I hope we finally solve the puzzle of what happened to Pugh and Zero. Not to mention Marina Habe.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Hi Matt.

Matt said:
"while i'm a bit of a cynic in general i'd like to hear what this guy has to say before dismissing it outright".

My sentiments exactly Matt.

I'm not much on conspiracy theories... but, I'd like to at least hear this guy speak... before making any final decisions.

The written word is very powerful... but the spoken word is even more revealing.
I can usually "size someone up" pretty quick... listening to them speak.

The thing that makes total sense to me... is this:
Manson (as Guillory communicates) was on federal parole from '67 to '69.
During this time... Manson's parole violations were numerous.

They say a cat has nine lives.
I submit, that Manson had about 20 lives between '67-69.
The shit Manson got away with as a parolee, is hard to ignore.

Guillory (to my knowledge) is the only one who has addressed this topic... and offered some type of explanation.

It really is, cause for wonder... as to how Manson got away with so much... for so long.
The result of all Manson's actions (prior to the murders)... was a slap on the wrist... especially considering Manson's history.

It really seems... the authorities were prepared to ignore Manson... until he killed someone.
...and we know the rest.

Didn't Manson get convicted for stealing (or writing) a $37 check... or some shit, years before?
Considering that... it's unusual (in comparison) how lax the authorites got with Manson in the late 60's.

I'd like to at least take a (current) listen to Guillory, if we have the chance.
There's a very old interview with Guillory by a woman named Brussels... but, it doesn't reveal much.

If Cat's believes this guy is worth interviewing... I'll give it some creedence.
Cats is knowledgable.

I dismissed Garretson as unreliable following his interview.
It may be quite the same scenario with Guillory.
But... I'll invest an hour of my time.


MattP asked:
" how long has cats had a podcast?"

It's the first I've heard of it.
I have no idea.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I'm wondering if Saint is back from vacation yet?

Saint... are you out there? LOL

Unknown said...

manson getting away with all that stuff prearrest might come down to simple incompetence with his probation officer and the police department but another logical explanation is that something shady was going on so maybe theres some thread of truth to what this guy says...if he was'nt misquoted which can happen too.
but unlike garretson who seems to be a nut and maybe always was one guillory has credentials that seem pretty credible at the top of the your post.
of course that doesnt mean hes not a nut now!

MrPoirot said...

Krassner is a bit of a kook. He was only with the LASO for a short while.

By shear accident the cops nearly arrested the entire Family just a week after the murders. Only a technicality prevented the Family from all getting prison. The cops did their job and raided Spahn Ranch only to have a judge throw out all the charges. This certainly must have angered and frustrated the LA sheriff. I'm certain the sheriff didn't send 102 deputies and a small air force out to Spahn Ranch for the Aug 16 raid unless he was extremely fed up with the shannannigans going on out on that ranch.

It was not the cops fault that Charlie wasn't sent back to prison for parole violations. Manson was arrested or ticketed on average every four months since his 67 release.

It was a bunch of left wing looney judges who kepy letting Manson and the Family walk after major charges were continually being filed by police on every single Family member.

The Dirty Harry movie series was about a renegade legislative branch of California government that kept hindering the police from getting criminals off the streets. The police can only arrest and charge criminals. They can't sentence them too.

Even after the TLB murders the wacko lefty judges were still thwarting justice by overturning the death penalty sentences of SEVEN Family members.

katie8753 said...

Manson's parole officer wasn't doing his job, that's for sure. Didn't Charlie nickname him "Jubal", after a character in Stranger in a Strange Land?

sbuch113 said...

I know a man who was a Jr. Fireman at the fire station near the Spahn Ranch during the Manson era.
Years ago he told me of some of the strange goings on at the ranch.

He went into quite a bit of detail about how the ranch was being watched by law enforcement.......Including an on site informant and a from strategic hilltop locations.

He also talked about the frequent contact fireman had with Manson and others.

Went as far as to say he met Manson himself.
One story he recounted was a time he accompanied a team of firemen/investigators to the ranch to retrieve parts of airplanes that had been involved in a mid-air crash over the area.
Some of the parts were found assembled into some sort of "alter".
Several years ago the webmaster at was able to confirm such a crash had occurred over the Chatsworth hills in 1966.
Adding some credibility to my friends claims.

katie8753 said...

Thanks Sbuch. That's very interesting!! Did he mention who the informant was??

sbuch113 said...

Hi Katie,
No he didn't. He just recounted things that he heard the older guys at the station talking about.
He wasn't privy to anything.

He did say that Spahn Ranch was a place were shady characters gathered long before Manson and crowd showed up.

katie8753 said...

Thanks Sbuch. I would imagine there were all kinds of characters at the ranch. George Spahn didn't exactly strike me as a "Ned Flanders" kinda guy. LOL.

katie8753 said...

I wonder if Tex ever read the autopsy reports on these people. Or Bobby, Mary, Pat, Susan, Leslie or Charlie for that matter.

I wonder if it makes them cringe and regret. Reading something this clinical kinda takes away from the Kowa Bunga of the killings.

If I had inflicted these types of injuries on people, drugged-up or not, I'd take thought on what the hell I was doing.

I just wonder what they think now.....

TomG said...

They probably think the usual senior citizen thoughts....can I microwave that? What's on channel 203? Who are the Dodgers playing?

They were bad people a long time ago, more than likely they are old and gentle now. Just let it go. Did you have your head on straight every minute of your life?

MrPoirot said...

The plane crash did not occur near Chatsworth. This is a widely reported. Your inside contact lied to you.
The Family MAY have had wing tanks at Spahn Ranch. They DID have wing tanks in Death Valley which were casually released from F102 fighter jets during traing. The crash parts and alter were not at Spahn. That was at Death Valley and the area around death Valley.The wing tanks are NOT from airplane crashes.
The crash site vandalism was far from Spahns. That was up in the mountains around Death Valley.

sbuch113 said...

I'm not talking about the crash in the Sierra's.
I'm talking about a mid-air crash that did occur over the Chatsworth hills.

sbuch113 said...

A quick Google search confirmed the crash.

A mid-air crash occurred over Chatsworth hills 12/23/66........between a Cessna 14 tail# 77213 and a Beechcraft 23 tail# N3556R

Kimchi said...

SB Such is correct -

"A mid-air crash occurred over Chatsworth hills 12/23/66........between a Cessna 14 tail# 77213 and a Beechcraft 23 tail# N3556R"

And there was another one many years earlier, Krishna Venta and the Fountain of the World followers tried to rescue any survivors -

Date / Time: Tuesday, July 12, 1949 / 7:43 a.m.
Operator / Flight No.: Standard Airlines / Flight 897R
Location: Near Chatsworth, Calif.

"Rescuers who reached the site were startled to find the crash victims already being aided by several long-haired strangers dressed in robes and sandals -- members of a mysterious religious group that lived on a secluded compound in Box Canyon, not too far from the scene of the disaster. It was Krishna Venta (true name Francis Pencovic) and several followers, whose “Fountain of the World” cult of 50 or so members preached universal love, world peace, and the pursuit of knowledge."

So there were lots of airplane parts around that area to make an "alter" or whatever... I believe it...

Poirot said:

"Krassner is a bit of a kook. He was only with the LASO for a short while."

When was Krassner ever a cop?

katie8753 said...

sbuch and Kimchi. Thanks!! Can you send a link?

>>>Kimchi said: It was Krishna Venta (true name Francis Pencovic) and several followers, whose “Fountain of the World” cult of 50 or so members preached universal love, world peace, and the pursuit of knowledge.">>>

HA HA HA. "Fountain of the World Cult". Sounds like a bunch of necked oldsters trying to drum up some much needed sex for losers.

Good luck with all that! HA HA.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Actually Katie... according to Sanders (assuming he's correct), nothing could be further from the truth.

Sanders explained that Manson was quite envious of... and somewhat intimidated by... the influence these "Fountain of the World" folks had...

Manson wanted to infiltrate the "Fountain of the World" sect, and gain control.
Manson sent his girls to "negotiate" with the Fountain of the World monks on several occasions.
Much to the chagrin of Manson... the monks resisted the girls "charms" on every occasion.

MrPoirot said...

The crash where Family members supposedly robbed or looted the scene was at 8-9000 feet which is higher than the Chatsworth area mountns. there are several stories which are erily similar to this story of Family members who looted a crash. One story was identical to a book I read on a crash in the Andes.

sbuch113 said...

Thanks Kimchi.....
When my friend told me about going to the ranch to collect plane parts he was referring to the 1966 mid-air.
He told me this back in the early 80's.
He wasn't sure when the salvage was made but he thought it was in late '68 early '69.
I haven't seen him for years and don't know where to reach him.
Wish I did......
Interesting there was an earlier crash.
Thanks again.

MrPoirot said...

Kimchi said...
SB Such is correct -
Poirot said:

"Krassner is a bit of a kook. He was only with the LASO for a short while."

When was Krassner ever a cop?

May 27, 2012 3:59 PM

Poirot replies:
Who was the cop in this interview? Gillory? Gillory was the cop at the Spahn Aug 16 raid. He was only with LASO a short while. My point being that everything the cops did to try and shut down the Family at Sphn Ranch kept being derailed by judges who kept tossing out the charges. Why keep wasting manpower aresting hippies at Spahns if the courts just keep letting the defendents loose even though it was known that automatic weapons were involved?

MrPoirot said...

Guillory says that they were told not to arrest the Family but only to observe them. If cops did arrest the Family the judges would simply dismiss the charges.

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