Tuesday, November 11, 2014

A conversation with Steve Grogan.....

The mis-spelled words were not changed to protect the guilty.  HA HA. 

This transcribed telephone conversation took place between Steve Grogan and Paul Watkins, shortly after Grogan was released on parole in 1985.

(We decided to leave the "X's" in, as that is how it was originally transcribed)



XX:  Is Steve there?

Steve’s Mom:  Who’s calling

XX:  XX






Steve’s Mom:  Who?

XX:  XX

Steve’s Mom: I’ll see.

Steve Grogan:  Is this XX?

XX:  Yes.

Steve Grogan:  So what’s happening?

XX:  I thought I’d call and see how you were doing.

Steve Grogan:   I’m ok. It’s really surprising how expensive everything is now, you know, after being in the joint 15 years.

XX:  Yeah but things are easier now.

Steve Grogan:  So what are you doing, are you doing music?

XX: I’m living in a shack in the desert in Tecopa.

Steve Grogan:  Where?

XX: Tecopa.

Steve Grogan:  Topanga?

XX:  No,  Ta Ta Tecopa.

Steve Grogan:  Are you nervous?

XX:  No.

Steve Grogan:  Hey it’s cool, that’s all over.

XX:  Well, Charlie always did have a way of knowing everything.

Steve Grogan:  Well, it’s cool now-so what are you doing, are you doing music?

XX:  Not really – I did make a little a way back and now I’m living on it. What are you doing?

Steve Grogan:  I’m doing art work – I go in everyday and do art work. You know it’s against my parole to associate with anyone in the Family.

XX:  Well, if it’s not cool, maybe I shouldn’t be talking to you.

Steve Grogan:  I’ll tell them that you called me – I didn’t call you

XX:  You sure it’s OK?

Steve Grogan:  Hey didn’t I know you when we were kids?

XX:  Well I wouldn’t call it kids.

Steve Grogan:  Hey I was 17 back then.

XX:  Yeah but that’s not really kids.

Steve Grogan:  You know if I hadn’t got put in the joint I don’t know how far I would have gone. I sure was a crazy kid. I’ve been working with kids who are just like I was, theyre right into the same thing.

XX:  Yeah, will things ever change?

Steve Grogan:  I guess there are only two girls into that Manson thing now. I guess that’s all they got goin', is to hang onto that. You doing anything with music?

XX:  Well I saw Brooks last summer in Venice playing at a club.

Steve Grogan:  What’s his music like, is it fusion?

XX:  Not fusion – it’s sort of folk and a tinge of psychadelic.

Steve Grogan:  How’s Brooks doing?

XX:  He’s playing around a little – he’s really into his music.  You know how this is costing me a bit, maybe I should call you later. When are you there?

Steve Grogan:  I’m not here much, just in and out. You say you’re in Topanga?

XX:  No, Tacopa, out in the desert.

Steve Grogan:  How’s your father?

XX:  Oh he died a few years ago.

Steve Grogan:  Oh that’s too bad, you know what I really found out, your parents are really important to you. Mine stuck with through this whole thing. Is your Mom still out in Calabases?

XX:  I haven’t kept in touch with her for years. After my dad died she became reclucive.

Steve Grogan:  You should go see her, go find her, it’s important.

XX:  Maybe I should call you later like on the weekend, I might be able to use a friends phone.

Steve Grogan: Well OK, God bless you.

XX: Bye, bye.

Steve Grogan:  Bye

27 comments:

katie8753 said...

So Steve went to live with his Mama after he was released. Hmmmm.....

Krissy Deen said...

Very interesting post. Steve Grogan does seem to have done very well for himself since way back when but I'll leave that discussion to those of you more familiar with the people involved with TLB. I just can't help but laugh that this guy was in prison for many years, he was involved in violent crime to at least degree and didn't at that time seem to be a especially nice person, but " Steve's Mom" is answering the phone for him and asking whose calling. Something about that is just hilarious to me...probably just my current state of mind but I'm still laughing.

katie8753 said...

Krissy I agree. That is funny.

I can't imagine letting my son, who was in prison for murdering a guy, bragging that he cut his head off, and then getting released because he finally revealed where the body was, live with me.

But that's just me. LOL.

Cuntry Trash said...

Steve is now married to a very prolific psychologist who is a hired gun to testify as an "insanity plea" expert during violent felony trials.

beauders said...

I've heard that that was not really Watkins, that whoever it was fooled Grogan as well.

beauders said...

Bye the way, Manson turned 80 today 11/11/34 is his real birthday but he usually says it's 11/12/34 because that is Armistace Day, the day that WWI ended.

Carl said...

WWI ended on Nov. 11th. not the 12th. Veterans Day used to be Armistice Day prior to WWII.

CrisPOA said...

Hello there just curious how do you guys ger these materials/transcripts? I enjoyed reading it, kind of gives you an inner sight of those people

johnnyseattle said...

A bit of a 'Who's on First' going on here.

I am living in Tecopa

Topanga?

No Te Te Tecopa.

So how's it in Topanga?

At that point I figured Paul would give up, realize he was talking to Scramblehead, and say, 'yeah, out in Topanga'

No wonder Paul ended the call. Like he said, the call was costing him real money (remember when long distance was spendy?) and that he could end up wasting a half hour trying to get Steve to understand he didn't live in Topanga.

I do wonder if Brooks ever had contact with Steve given that they are both musicians.

katie8753 said...

Remember when we used to use cigar boxes for our school supplies? Where did we get them?

I don't know.

Doc Sierra said...

Is it true that Sears murdered Roebuck?

Max Frost said...

Hi Katie. Just to inform you...that was not Paul Watkins who called. The reason the XX's are there is to cover up who actually called.

I know who called but don't know at the moment if he would mind me saying so.

katie8753 said...

Hi Max!

Just to inform you...that was not Paul Watkins who called. The reason the XX's are there is to cover up who actually called.

Uh, yeah, we knew why the "XX"s are there....But that doesn't mean it's not Paul.

I know who called but don't know at the moment if he would mind me saying so.

Well, if you can't say it, spell it....LOL.

katie8753 said...

If we really wanted to find out if the caller is Watkins, we can go by what the caller said:

Steve Grogan: How’s your father?

XX: Oh he died a few years ago.

Steve Grogan: Oh that’s too bad, you know what I really found out, your parents are really important to you. Mine stuck with through this whole thing. Is your Mom still out in Calabases?

XX: I haven’t kept in touch with her for years. After my dad died she became reclucive.


When did Watkins' father die? Where did his mother live?

I don't think a whole lot of Paul Watkins anyway. He claims he was scared to death of Manson, but yet when Manson got locked up, he went back to that filthy cult and wanted to be "Big Daddy".

Beauders, you're on deck. What say you?

Max Frost said...

The caller knew enough info about Paul, Brooks, and Clem to pull it off.

I know who the caller and heard the story of the call 20 years ago. You all know who he is.

Kimchi said...

I know I'm not Beauders, but I will answer your question:

"When did Watkins' father die? Where did his mother live?"

As of 2012, Watkins' father was still alive...90 something years old...

His mother died in 2012, they both lived (together) in Beaumont, Tx

This according to Vaye J. Watkins' obituary from 2012.

I can post it if you like.

katie8753 said...

Well Kimchi you got me with my pants down!

katie8753 said...

Me and Bret! HA HA HA HA HA.

katie8753 said...

You should be proud of yourself.

katie8753 said...

You just scarfed a dead guy. Good deal!

beauders said...

Katie I really don't know much about Watkins biological family. I think he would leave then go back then leave again because he thought he could take over Manson's leadership and for the easy sex.

katie8753 said...

Thanks Beauders!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Thank You Kimchi.

matt prokes said...

I wonder what the purpose of the call was.
Was the caller trying to get some info from Grogan about something in particular?
Hard to say without knowing who the caller was.

Max Frost said...

The caller just wanted to see if he could successfully have a conversation with Clem.

MrPoirot said...

That wasn't the real Clem. t was a guy trying to fool another guy who was trying to fool Clem.

Max Frost said...

"I know what dude I am. I'm the dude playin' the dude, disguised as another dude! You're the dude that don't know what dude he is."