No kidding, the website solves both the Tate and LaBianca killings. It also explains Roman Polanski's relationship with his thirteen year old rape victim and her mother.
In fact, if you spend enough time reading the whole website, then practically everything, UFOs, Son Of Sam, the Arlis Perry murder... all sorts of things (except for the September 11th attacks) have been solved. There are no footnotes, of course, and the only sources mentioned are Terry, Sanders and Bugliosi, but none of that ever stops any of us either...
Is anyone else out there, familiar with this material? It fleshes out a lot of what Maury Terry has not. If I am new to this, then I apologize. If anybody knows this person or people, do they ever visit us here in TLB land?
Gibby Folger was always looking for ways to invest her inherited fortune, with aspirations of becoming an independent movie producer. Frykowski convinced his girlfriend the bourgeoning drug trade offered the best way of making a lot of money very quickly. Frykowski and Folger approached their friend Bill Mentzer about purchasing a franchise as a middleman in the lucrative LSD business and a wholesale distributorship of the new amphetamine MDA. Folger and Frykowski were users of the amphetamine MDA – which was found in their systems the night they were murdered – and realized its addictive potential. Folger told Mentzer that she was prepared to bankroll her boyfriend’s business endeavor.
Bill Mentzer introduced Folger and Frykowski to one of his distributors; a wealthy associate by the name of Billy Doyle. Doyle picked up hallucinogenic drugs from secret LSD and MDA laboratories in a black Mercedes-Benz and distributed them to drop-off points for pickup by elements of the Hell’s Angels biker gang; which now controlled street-level distribution of all chemical narcotics in the LA area. Doyle agreed to start delivering shipments to Folger and Frykowski the following week. The first shipment would be a small one, about $5K. They needed to have the cash readily available when Billy showed up.
Gibby Folger and Wojtek Frykowski were now in the drug business, and one of their major customers lived across the street from them.
Later that summer, Folger and Frykowski invited their new business associate, Billy Doyle, to join them and other celebrity members of the Process Church at a satanic celebration at the Polanski residence on Cielo Drive. Folger and Frykowski were house-sitting the Polanski residence while Roman and Sharon were in Europe. Sharon, now eight months pregnant, had recently returned from Europe; but was staying at the home of a girlfriend, Sheila Welles. Polanksi was in London, where he was having an open affair with John Phillips’ seventeen year-old wife, Michelle, who also sang with the Mamas and the Papas and helped write the song, California Dreaming.
Folger’s celebration was held to honor French film director Roger Vadim, who was then married to actress and anti-war activist Jane Fonda. Roger needed an infusion of satanic power and fortune, given the movies he had made with his sex-kitten wife (Barbarella and Spirits of the Dead) were critical and box office flops when they were released in 1968. Plus, a good orgy would help to cheer him up. The following year (maybe with Satan’s help) Roger would find his stride again, with the critical and box office success of Pretty Maids all in a Row, a dark sex comedy produced by Gene Roddenberry and featuring Rock Hudson as a high school teacher, pedophile, and serial killer of slutty underage girls.
The party honoring Roger Vadim occurred on Tuesday night, the 5th of August, 1969. Twenty-two members (eleven women and eleven men) of Folger’s and Frykowski’s coven hosted three guests: Doyle, Vadim and a third who was most likely Jane Fonda. The unsuspecting Doyle was thrilled to be in the company of Hollywood Royalty until, following the solemn ceremony of the black mass, several of the men seized him, stripped him of his black robe, and tied him nude to a whipping post. Folger and Frykowski explained to an astonished Doyle that he was being punished for a $2K “dope burn” – allegedly giving poor quality drugs to Jay Sebring. Doyle couldn’t believe his ears. Folger and Frykowski still owed him over $11K from the last pickup. They were the ones who would be getting whipped if his boss, Bill Mentzer, ever found out. The naïve coffee heiress and her boy-toy laughed at this notion; Mentzer was their good friend. After being publicly whipped and humiliated, Doyle remained strapped to the whipping post throughout the orgy of sex and drugs that followed. Occasionally, a stoned cultist stopped by for a little conversation and a lot of sodomy. The dope dealer fully expected to be sacrificed to Satan when the night’s festivities ended. Instead, he was set free to go about his business.
Although initially denied by police, it was later confirmed that remnants of that night’s satanic orgy – black hoods, leather aprons, occult items, drug paraphernalia and sadomasochistic devices – were found in the loft above Sharon Tate’s living room at 10050 Cielo Drive. Actor Dennis Hopper later commented publicly on the matter in an interview with the LA Times: “They had fallen into sadism and masochism and bestiality – and they recorded it all on videotape, too. The LA police told me this. I know that three days before they were killed twenty-five people were invited to that house for a mass-whipping of a dealer from Sunset Strip who’d given them bad dope.” Ed Sanders later confirmed that “a large party was held on Cielo Drive at which Billy Doyle, an acquaintance of Bill Mentzer, was whipped as the result of a dope burn involving about $2K worth of cocaine which was perpetrated on Jay Sebring, who was present at the affair.”
And on LaBianca:
Now: Hasn't the Doyle whipping been confirmed as happening over at Mama Cass's house and not at Cielo drive?
I believe that somewhere the police have acknowledged this and isn't it also in the Statman book?
Seriously: does anyone have any idea whose website that is?
Not related to this post, however I found a news article I found interesting. People on these blogs often question what prison is like and how inmates get cell phones.
Yahoo news says:
"Thirteen prison guards in Baltimore have been indicted for allegedly letting members of the Black Guerrilla Family (BGF) prison gang terrorize their jails and break the law behind bars.
The guards were indicted for racketeering along with seven inmates, including the gang's alleged ring leader, Tavon White, according to the 44-page indictment unsealed on Tuesday.
The Black Guerilla Family gangsters allegedly bribed prison guards to bring them cellphones and other contraband necessary to launder money and deal drugs from behind prison walls.
White also allegedly seduced several female guards in the Baltimore City Detention Center (BDCC).
Three of those guards got pregnant with White's baby. One of those corrections officers, Jennifer Owens, was allegedly impregnated by White twice and had tattooed "Tavon" on her neck.
White also allegedly had sex with corrections officer Katera Stevenson, who got "Tavon" tattooed on her wrist."
I was in BCDC myself for a couple of hours, inmates then referred to that place as "Dracula's Castle". It was maximum security when I was in there, I think it has since been changed to minimum security because of all the corruption, graft, murders, etc. that took place in there. Maryland's gas chamber and lethal injection room was in there at one time I think (there are 2 annex's, I never saw the death chambers), I don't know if they still are.
A pic of the place can be seen HERE.
The inside of that place is about as "prison" as it gets.
Starship according to Sanders, the "whipping" occurred at Mama Cass's house.
Sharon, now eight months pregnant, had recently returned from Europe; but was staying at the home of a girlfriend, Sheila Welles.
That's news to me....
Polanksi was in London, where he was having an open affair with John Phillips’ seventeen year-old wife, Michelle, who also sang with the Mamas and the Papas and helped write the song, California Dreaming.
Michelle would have been around 25 in 1969, not 17.
Katie, you took the words out of my mouth. Michelle was 17 when she and John Phillips first hooked up circa 1961.
The whipping was said to have taken place at mama Cass' house, not at Cielo.
Do I believe this story? Not really, but, in some ways, it does make sense.
I've never heard that Sharon was staying at her friend Sheila's house. She (and, apparently Jay) were supposed to go there for dinner Fri. night, but Sheila called Sharon and said that neighbors were complaining about the noise or something like that and Sheila said that Sharon told her she was tired, was just going to wash her hair and that she and Jay would probably just go out for a hamburger. Sheila said she told Sharon she could come anyway and just stay overnight but Sharon didn't want to do that.
Venus, that's right. From everything I've read, Sharon was staying at Cielo Drive from July 1969 when she got back from Europe until the killings. She was only going to see Sheila the night she was killed, but begged off because she wasn't feeling well.
Although initially denied by police, it was later confirmed that remnants of that night’s satanic orgy – black hoods, leather aprons, occult items, drug paraphernalia and sadomasochistic devices – were found in the loft above Sharon Tate’s living room at 10050 Cielo Drive.
Starship was this in the police report? I don't remember seeing it. I don't believe it, but it there evidence of this?
So now Gibby is a "wanna be" in the Process Church. Interesting....
I'm surprised that her psychiatrist, Dr. Marvin Flicker, didn't mention that. He only indicated that she was really sick of Voytek and was trying to be rid of him.
Doesn't sound like she was funding his new "drug job".
This stuff gets more and more amazing lol
but I love these sites - I could ( and do) read them forever. most of this conspiracy stuff is not new to me- although some of it is...
much of this (and much of the info on other interesting conspiracy sites) is going to be nonsensical- so of course you notice things which make no sense such as the age of Michelle...
But just enough of it is intriguing and makes you think outside the box long enough to stop going over and over the same old facts in your head...
Soooo... I will go and read through this site to see what new angles are there for me to add to my toybox of ideas on this case....
No, not in the police report. Of course. But the rumors of the police taking stuff has always been out there, and the police taking things from the scene was also the impetus behind Ms. Statman meeting the Tates.
St. Circumstance said: much of this (and much of the info on other interesting conspiracy sites) is going to be nonsensical- so of course you notice things which make no sense such as the age of Michelle...
Well St., I know I'm a hard ass but if I see one glaring error like that, I have to wonder what else is not right.
Starship said: But the rumors of the police taking stuff has always been out there, and the police taking things from the scene was also the impetus behind Ms. Statman meeting the Tates.
But rumors are just that...rumors. No facts are usually involved.
I hear you Katie...
I take most of it with a grain of salt... but it is still interesting to hear some new ideas no matter how far out or whacky they may be. sometimes you pick up something unintended to mean anything- which in combination with things you already know- can mean something.
But it is right to question anything in total when you know at least some of the parts are false- I don't disagree with you on that.
It was my major problem with the Schreck book, and Terry book- they stated some big facts- which I knew at least small parts of couldn't be true...
So I have doubts about the bigger picture they paint as well
we are - as usual - on the same page I think
Hi St! Yes we are on the same page, except that you seem to be more accepting of certain egregious facts.
It seems that these recent authors who write about this case like "shock value". In other words, they build to a crescendo to have you believe that the "good guys" might have been the "bad guys".
But in doing so, they don't seem to use credible facts as evidence of their conclusions. They use "might be's" or "could be's" as their focus, which of course leads to a doubtful conclusion.
These books that are written about this case, including Statman's, are an exciting read, and are a great fictional account based on nothing but rumors, innuendos and embellishment, but I would really like to see breaking news about this case, based on fact, that someone recently uncovered.
That would be boss!!! :)
I don't know why Abigail Folger seems to be the new focus of debilitation for this case.
I've studied Abigail and I see nothing that these new authors are seeing.
She was not funding Voytek's new drug dealer status, she was not trying to be a "higher up" in the Process Church, she was not "whipping and buggering boys".
That's just nonsense.
In this new book, Manson claims he never tied Leno up. Weird.
"I never tied up the LaBianca's for Tex to kill. I went into what I thought was an empty house and saw a man sitting with his dog. He said, 'Can I help you?' I said, "Sorry, I thought the house was empty,' and I left. I knew what would happen and got the hell out of there. I followed the outlaw code and stayed out of the way. It wasn't my business and I've never ratted out anyone, never will. People don't understand the outlaw code unless they are trying to survive in the outlaw world."
Charles Manson, as quoted in Before He Became A Monster
So Leno supposedly said, "Can I help you?" when a complete stranger walked into his house? Or asn't Manson a complete stranger? When Manson walked out, you'd think Leno would've called the cops to say that a stranger just walked into his house. This makes no sense to me.
I went into what I thought was an empty house and saw a man sitting with his dog. He said, 'Can I help you?' I said, "Sorry, I thought the house was empty,' and I left.
If he thought the house was empty, why go in?
EXACTLY!!!!!! And why did he supposedly want to enter an empty house? To loot it?
It's amazing how much nicer Charlie gets every time a book is written and he has "input" in it.
Pretty soon he'll be like the tin man who only was looking for "a heart". LOL.
Charlie is like the ultimate greaser. He skims by and makes everyone else take the blame.
Everything is his idea, but he sloths the blame on his coherts like he's making a peanut butter & jelly sandwich.
And he thinks there are people in this world who are DUMB ENOUGH to believe him. HA HA.
LOL Katie...but arn't you being a little harsh on poor little Charlie?
Louis, LOL. Charlie follows the "outlaw code".
LOL at the comment about Charlie getting nicer. Pretty soon he'll have his own book of nursery rhymes, Mother Goose will be obsolete.
Venus, LOL. In the next book, Charlie will reveal that when he was out of prison at various times, he spent his time mostly helping little old ladies across the street and volunteering in soup kitchens.
I never said anything about manson getting nicer or my opinion I was just sharing the quote! :(
Guys...come on. The first line of the introduction states that it's fiction.
No prefeteria, that is not what it says. It says this is the conspiracy theory that he or she is using as the basis for a fictional story that he or she is developing. That's different from waht you assert.
What interests me are the photos, especially of murderess Laney Jacobs. Does anybody know if they are real?
It's frustrating not knowing who the author is, but if those pix are genuine, it does give his story some credence.
A simple whois search of The Spawn Of The Sphinx domain name provides a possible author...
25 Born in 1945
Hi there! Wanted to thank you all for your hard work; I learn so much from all of you. I have a stupid question, and I am hoping someone can point me in the right direction. In Paul Tate's testimony, when asked if he has any sort of business relationship with Jay, he clearly states that he was still in the military at that time. Fair enough. However, I recently found a business card for Tate as GM for Sebring International located at 725 N Fairfax. Interestingly, it also states that Tate is RETIRED?! I thought he retired after the murders? Is this card authentic? I am lost when it comes to the timeline; did he go and work for Sebring International after the murders and I just can't find a citation? Doesn't it seem strange that a military intelligence officer would not find out about a "biz partners'" possible narcotic trafficking involvement; let alone one dating your daughter?! Thank you for your time (and patience)
I read this years ??? back all the way through in the short time it was up. Loved it. Deeply regret that a re-read isn't possible. Maybe someone smarter can resurrect it.????????
Indeed. Fake murders, fake controversy. The cases are indeed solved; hoodwinks brought to you by operations chaos and gladio.
The author is a subcommittee at Langley. This spawn of the sphinx bs is clearly misdirection with sexy satanic pinstriping. I got pulled down that rabbit hole as well and only got dirty. Look into the Cafritz Foundation and all the connections there to see what a monumental mindf*ck this has been for 50 odd years
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