Sunday, May 1, 2011

Kathleen Maddox: Part 2 - Kathleen (Maddox) Bower
Jan. 11,1918
Morehead (Rowan County)
Kentucky, USA

Jul. 31, 1973
Spokane County
Washington, USA

Her full name was Ada Kathleen, but she is buried under the name Kathleen as she went by her middle name.
Charles Milles Maddox (1884 - 1931)
Nancy Lorraine Ingraham Maddox (1887 - 1959)

Her Husband:
Gale S Bower (1920 - 1998)

Fairmount Memorial Park
Spokane County
Washington, USA

Plot: spaces 3 & 4, 247-32(from the cemetery secretary)
Kathleen's Husband: Gale S. Bower (Same Cemetry and Stone)
Birth: Jun. 3, 1920 - King County, Washington, USA
Death:  Jul. 9, 1998 - Spokane, Washington, USA
He served in the Navy during WWII and was a 53 year resident of Spokane.
Gale owned and operated a tire company.
Kathleen's Father
Kathleen's Father:
Charles Milles Maddox
Birth: Jul. 30, 1884, Kentucky, USA
Death: Oct. 26, 1931, Ashland, Kentucky, USA

Son of Christopher Maddox and Rebecca Carroll. Husband of Nancy Lorraine Ingraham. Father of Glenna Faye, Dorothy Aileen, Luther Elbert and *Ada Kathleen.
Burial: Rose Hill Burial Park and Mausoleum, Ashland, Kentucky, USA - Section F, Lot 34
Kathleen's Mom
Kathleen's Mother:
Nancy Lorraine Ingraham

Birth: Apr. 11, 1887, Morehead, Kentucky, USA
Death: Jul. 17, 1959, Ashland, Kentucky, USA

Daughter of Luther Ingraham and Sareptha Holbrook. Wife of Charles Milles Maddox. Mother of Glenna Faye, Dorothy Aileen, Luther Elbert and *Ada Kathleen
Burial: Rose Hill Burial Park and Mausoleum, Ashland, Kentucky - Plot: Section F, Lot 34, Grave #4
Ironically, every resource, lists Kathleen's birth year as 1918.  But... the stone says "1919".
My brother's mother-in-law, had her name spelled wrong on her headstone, and it had to be fixed.  I guess it happens.  Her birth year, is listed as 1918, everywhere else... including here:


LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

If you click on any of the photos, they blow-up full size... and look much better.

Just figured I'd mention that.

Anonymous said...

Hey guys- just read through the last couple of threads..

I am not an expert- I just try to sound like one :)

If someone proves me wrong- it wouldn't shock me as I just dont have time lately to review everything in detail- but my memory is (still) pretty good about this, and my personal Manson library consists of :

Helter Skelter
The Family
Shadow over Santa Susannah
Ultimate Evil
Long Strange Prison journey- LVH
Will you Die for me- Tex W
Charlies right hand man- Tex W
Charles Manson Now


The hendrickson DVDs- Manson/Inside manson Family Gang

Manson my name is Evil

6 degrees of Helter Skelter

The Manson Family

not the most complete collection- but a decent amount- as well- I have read every single Parole transcript for every parole hearing that ever took place..

Nowhere in anything I have read, or own ( to my immediate knowledge) is Kathleen mentioned as being around LA scene immediately before/during, or after TLB...

It doesn't mean that isn't her- or she wasn't there- I think that pic tickles the imagination quite nicely lol- and there is more of a semblance every time I watch the video...

But that nobody ever would have mentioned his mom??? The press would have been all over her no???

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Hi Circumstance!

Impressive Collection! : )

I've never seen proof-positive myself, that Kathleen was, in fact, there (at the trial).

I'm not saying she wasn't definitively... I'm just saying, I've never seen, nor could I personally produce, proof.
So... we're basically on the same page.

Let's see what Katie, Bob, Mary, and Kimchi come-up with... if anything.

There is something of a resemblance, and the woman is about the right age... so who knows.

She looks like she's nervous, and out of place.
She kinda looks like the mother of a man standing trial for murder. LOL

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Here's 2 questions for any and all takers:

1) Kathleen died in 1973, at basically 55 years old.
(I think my math is correct, lol)

I turned the internet upside-down, looking for a cause of death.
Couldn't find one.

Anyone know how, and why she died so young?


2) Also... did she live long enough to see her son's "death penalty", commuted to life?
I'm curious.
Did she die, still thinking her son was facing the gas chamber?

Both occured in 1973, didn't they?

Can anyone compare the death date on her stone, to the date his sentence was reduced to "life in prison"?

Mary said...

she did live to see him sentence commuted - "on June 29, 1972, the Supreme Court effectively voided 40 death penalty statutes, thereby commuting the sentences of 629 death row inmates around the country and suspending the death penalty because existing statutes were no longer valid."

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Thanks Mary!

Well, I'm happy she lived to see CM's sentence commuted.
No mother should have to die, with that hanging over her.

...and no son, should put their mother in that position.

I know, I know... he was railroaded... a completely innocent victim of society, the courts, the media, Bugliosi, his up-bringing... never stood a chance... etc., etc.

katie8753 said...

Hi guys. Well Circumstance, I know that I read somewhere that Manson's mother attended the trial at least briefly, but I can't find where I read it, so it's a moot point for now.

Maybe she didn't attend, but in my reading today, I was struck by the fact that in 1957 Charlie's wife and child were living with her while Charlie was in prison. That doesn't sound like a mother who doesn't care. I can't imagine that her son was on trial for his life in the most publicized case in history and she didn't attend at all!

I'm not saying she's perfect or anything, but I think that maybe when she was young she was ill equipped to handle a baby, then got into trouble with the law. I think it probably took her a few years to "grow up" but I think that she probably regretted her actions with her son.

Charlie probably embellished the stories of growing up without a mother who cared. What better way to attract chicks. HA HA.

Anyway, long story short, I read that perhaps Kathleen died of cirrhosis of the liver. Not sure.

Thanks Mary for looking up that info on the death penalty being abolished in CA.

I did find this link that says she died January 3, 1973. Occupation: prostitute. WOW!

katie8753 said...

In the book "Manson In His Own Words" he talks quite a bit about his mother, and makes the comment that he would have "hand picked her" if he could have.

Course, that's Manson talking. You never know what's coming out of his mouth next. I think he used everyone and every situation to HIS own advantage.

katie8753 said...

Lynyrd the link you provided shows date of death January 3, 1973 too. So many discrepancies

Kimchi said...

Katie said:

>>I did find this link that says she died January 3, 1973. Occupation: prostitute. WOW!<<

I saw that too Katie...

I do know she granted an interview to the LA Times in January 1970 as long as they didn't print her name, or where she lived as to protect her 9 year old daughter...

She stated over and over that Charles was pampered, he wasn't thrown out on the streets as a child and she was emphatic that he didn't have "hypnotic spells" that he cast on the girls...but he did have an attractive personality and that mixed with the drugs led to disaster.

I just bought the Simon Wells book "Coming Down Fast" and I'm in the beginning, but he notes that when Charlie was in prison in the 60's he told his mother he wanted a guitar and she said she couldn't afford it, and the next time she visits she has a little girl with her, his 1/2 sister and "Charlie flew into a rage, how could she afford to look after a new kid but couldn't get him a guitar?"

By the way, I think it's a good book and I recommend it! He goes into a lot of detail and explains things....fills in some gaps.

katie8753 said...

Thanks Kimchi. I didn't know she had a daughter. I wonder where she is now.

Can we read that interview in 1970? Do you have a link?

I'll definitely get that book. Sounds interesting.

Kimchi said...

You didn't know he had a 1/2 sister? Really?

I believe she's been very protected, and I certainly understand why...

katie8753 said...

>>Kimchi said: You didn't know he had a 1/2 sister? Really?>>>

No I really had no idea. I know next to nothing about Kathleen Maddox except the bits and pieces I've run across.

I can certainly understand her need to protect her daughter. And she did it very well.

I wonder if Charlie knows where she is. Does he mention her? Does anyone know?

Is he still mad about the guitar? HA HA.

Kimchi said...

Katie said:

>>I wonder if Charlie knows where she is. Does he mention her? Does anyone know?

Is he still mad about the guitar? HA HA.<<

I'm sure he is informed...the amount of mail he gets..but I'm sure he would keep that stuff private...wouldn't you? I'm just speculating..I don't know...

Re: The guitar: Isn't he mad about everything? Nah, he's past that I'm sure...

Why am I saying this? I don't know him...LOL

katie8753 said...

>>>Kimchi said: I'm sure he is informed...the amount of mail he gets..but I'm sure he would keep that stuff private...wouldn't you? I'm just speculating..I don't know...>>>

Well I really think Charlie keeps everything at his own convenience. I think he's a self-centered sociopath. If it empowered him to reveal her identity, I don't think he would hesitate.

But...maybe he's mellowed with age.

>>>Re: The guitar: Isn't he mad about everything? Nah, he's past that I'm sure...>>>

Yeah he's had several guitars since then. And, as I hear, a drum set. LOL.

Hell, he's probably got enough to join the New York Philharmonic.

"Now where'd that violin go?" HA HA.

katie8753 said...

I was flipping through the channels today and caught Napoleon Dynamite. I LOVE that movie. It's so silly it's funny!!! LOL.

katie8753 said...

Okay...stop the presses!!! HA HA.

LadyRam just commented on the previous thread. I'm going to bring it hence.

katie8753 said...

Okay the reason I'm bringing this comment forward is because sometimes things get buried in a previous thread. This is important to this thread:

>>>LadyRam said: I believe the woman in the picture IS Kathleen Maddox. I too have seen that video that Katie mentions. Someone is interviewing her(has a microphone up to her)and she is denying that she ever sold boy Charlie for that brewski!>>>


>>I will look around, too, and see if I can locate. To tell you the truth...I think that video of her was taken AT THE the hallway! I could be losing it..but that's what I'm thinkin. Does that sound right, Katie??>>>

Yes Ma'am!!!!

>>Also, I own both the Hendrickson films and the answer is YES, Inside the Manson Gang is worth it. Buy them both as a package deal from RH himself at Amazon and he will send you a copy of an original poster which shows how the film was BANNED in California when it first came out. He even personalizes your numbered copies with your handwritten name. The thing is, soon, they will be out of print, like Nellie's book and the Richard Bate "Charles Manson" VHS, and then you'll have to pay the "beaucoup bucks" to Aes-Nihil who has planned ahead and has ALL that stuff in excess in his private collection!! (JK was a truly smart move!)

By the way, I would like to take part in the book club discussions. Where do I go for that?

Take care all............>>>

Please read previous thread for Lynyrd's reply. Won't repost here.

LadyRam you are MOST welcome to comment on our book reading club as Lynyrd already indicated. We kinda got away from it, but it is a wonderful idea from Mary, and we will continue to do it.

Thanks so much for joining in!!!!

A.C. Fisher-Aldag said...

Lynyrd: Smoking and drinking were contributors to Kathleen's cause of death.

A suggestion to everyone to quit doing those activities!

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LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...


AC Said>>>>>
"Lynyrd: Smoking and drinking were contributors to Kathleen's cause of death".<<<<

Hi AC,

Drinking was my first assumption.
I've heard that word-of-mouth, a few times.
Unfortunately, I'm leery to make assertions, without black-n-white proof. LOL
But yeah... that'd be my best guess.
I never knew she was a smoker.

Thanks AC!
Great to see you!

cielodrivecom said...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...
Anyone know how, and why she died so young?

She had Emphysema

Unknown said...

To confirm, she had emphysema and was on oxygen when I saw her in 1970. Three years later she had a stroke while taking a shower and died a few weeks later.

Kathleen and her husband brought a girl to our house to live with us while the trial was underway. She was about 10 years old and named Nancy. This would be the half-sister mentioned above. I recall that the reason she came to live with us was her mom wanted to keep her away from the media circus, but my family considered adopting Nancy. I was told that the adoption was Kathleen's idea. After the trial Kathleen and a woman friend visited us again and after a short stay they all returned to Spokane.

I stayed with Kathleen, Gale, and Nancy for a short while in 1972, but lost touch with Gale and Nancy after Kathleen died. Gale died sometime later, but I can't find any trace or mention of Nancy.