Sunday, January 2, 2022

Inside Solar Lodge

Paul writes:

Hello Beauders.  Can I ask you something about a book you mentioned on the MansonBlog webwite in 2018?

It was part of a discussion about the Spiral Staircase house in Topanga Canyon, and about the possible owner being Georgina Brayton of the OTO Solar Lodge.

It's called Inside Solar Lodge. The author is Frater Shiva. He was actually one of the members of Georgina Brayton's Solar Lodge group in the late 60s. You said something interesting... that Shiva said Tex Watson was seen at a Solar Lodge meeting. Is this true? Was that in the book? THANKS SO MUCH for your help. 

Beauders replies:

Hi Paul, funny you asked about Frater Shiva's book as I was just thinking of it the other day. It was not spectacular just a run down of the group's history. It goes into the boy in box scandal but I do remember one interesting thing and that was that Tex Watson not Charles Manson was seen at a meeting the group had. Amazon has an expanded edition for $29.99 which is probably a fair price. If you get the book let us know what you think of it, maybe Katie will put a discussion up of the subject. These side groups are very interesting.


Let the discussion continue....

32 comments:

katie8753 said...

Oh yeah, I'll have the 3-piece mixed with fries and coleslaw and a jal-a-pan-ya!.

Oops sorry, I'm on the wrong window. HA HA HA HA!

beauders said...

Does anyone have an interest in the side groups of the Family such as the Process, Solar Lodge, Jean Brayton---did she own the Spiral Staircase House, I think she did, and what else was she involved in, etc. People on other blogs think this blog is now a Bold and the Beautiful blog so let's get back to Manson. Another question I have is I heard rumors that Van Houten was involved with a splinter group of the Process, a more satanic based group in the Santa Cruz Mountains in the Bay Area is this true, does anyone know?

beauders said...

Katie is that order Kentucky Fried or Popeyes?

katie8753 said...

Neither, it's Church's Chicken. LOL.

katie8753 said...

Didn't LuLu meet up with Bobby B. long before she met Manson and the gang, and was in fact "Bobby's girl" when they got to Spahn's Ranch. And we know that Bobby was involved in satanic musical groups long before he met Manson. So it makes sense that LuLu was involved in that too.

beauders said...

We don't have Church's Chicken here. I thought Van Houten met Beausoleil when the bus broke down in the Bay Area in 1968. She was always considered Bobby's girl by the Family, even though I think she slept with Paul Watkins before Beausoleil. And yes, Bobby was involved in a very Satanic scene in San Francisco. He claims he was on an all meat diet, an example of him trying too hard to fit in with those friends. That is the thing about Beausoleil he tried too hard to fit in, such a handsome boy with women hanging off him and he had so low self-esteem that he's spending the rest of his life in prison for it.

katie8753 said...

I guess Church's Chicken is a "Texas thang".

Didn't LuLu decide to join a commune to become a nun or something? I'm pretty sure she met Bobby B. before and he was the one who took her to Spahn's Ranch along with Gypsy. Gypsy is also the one who brought Kasabian to the ranch. Gypsy was great at getting followers for Charlie. Probably until he socked her in the face and broke her jaw. Maybe she wised up then.

We could talk all day about Bobby Beausoleil. That guy was never a follower of Manson, yet he claims he killed Gary Hinman under Manson's direction. Hinman's murder is the ONLY ONE I don't blame on Manson. That's all on Bobby.

Bobby was "happily married" for years and his wife ditched him. I have no idea what he's doing now. He's been moved from prison to prison. I think he was in a prison in Oregon for a while, then sent back to California. He still plays his stupid music, that nobody likes.

I need to do a thread on Bobby.

katie8753 said...

Leslie Van Houten was a "high school princess" that got knocked up and her mother made her get an abortion, according to her. And according to her, she hated her mother for that.

She got out for a while because her conviction was overturned because her lawyer died. She thought she had it made until she was tried again and convicted.

She was mad because she wasn't chosen for the first murders, and begged to go on the second murder spree. Then she claims she wasn't aware of what was happening. She didn't know what murder was?

After the murders of Leno & Rosemary, she rifled thru Rosemary's dresses and picked out what she wanted. She later said that stabbing became more fun the more you did it.

She can't erase what she said. While in prison I think she married some jerk that tried to get her out. Didn't work.

katie8753 said...

You know I'm getting tired of this blog, this story, this situation, this outcome. It's SOSDD, which means Same Old Shit Different Day.

Nobody has anything to say anymore. There's nothing more to say. Either you crack the case with some kind of break through that nobody else ever happened upon, or you just write a book and make shit up to fit a narrative.

Either way, I'm just tired of it. Charlie's 6 feet under, or wherever he wound up, and those fuckers are not getting out.

The victims are still dead, and the perps are still in prison.

Nothing else happening unless you make shit up.

Night y'all!

beauders said...

Katie, Paris and Zoe are getting a mother, she's an actress from ATWT named Cassandra Creech.

Dilligaf said...

It is the ebb and flow of the Manson family. I predict that in the next twelve months there will be new discussions around either paroles realized or deaths while incarcerated, which will kick the discussions into high gear.

I agree that there are some far-fetched ideas out there right now, as well as attempts to soften the culpability of the minions as well as the Wooly Hophead himself.

Hang tough, Katie….

katie8753 said...

Thanks Beauders! Thanks Dill!

I think the biggest argument of all is motive. Manson never revealed the motive and he spent a lot of time making sure people thought he was innocent, which I think is a smoke screen.

Since he never revealed the motive, we will never know what it was. We can guess, figure, calculate, surmise, uncover, read through the lines, re-read 100's of books looking for clues, etc. but we will NEVER KNOW the motive for sure. Because Manson took it to his grave!

Yeah these folks will start dying in prison and there will be talk. Whether or not they get released is up for speculation. With all of the current Democratic reasoning of clearing out prisons, you would think that they would all get released, but for some reason, I guess that's a taboo subject now.

I have my own opinion of motive, and might finish my thread on it.

Right now, I'm just tired of this case. I've been through all of this since 1969, and frankly, I'm burned out. I get e-mails from people who are interested in discussing this case, and they just drop the ball.

I'm still gonna be here, but frankly, I'm going to just be an observer. Don't e-mail me again unless you mean business. Because frankly, I've got other things to do other than making threads on this blog.

Thanks Beauders for the heads up on B&B. Paris & Zoey need a mother, except Zoey split! LOL. Every guy at Forrester is after Paris for some reason. It must be her hair hat!

beauders said...

Katie, did B&B ever explain why Paris and her mother have a U.S. accent and Zoe and their father have U.K. accents?

katie8753 said...

Well I remember when Zoey first came on B&B and spoke with that English accent and she was talking to Xander and they both giggled and said "let's stop using this accent". And after that they both spoke with American accents.

katie8753 said...

Not that it matters, but I think Sharon was supposed to deliver in October. She found out she was pregnant in January. So add it up.

The news media likes to say she was 2 weeks away when she was killed, but that probably wasn't true. I know it's amazing and unbelievable that the news media would be wrong, but YEAH!!

katie8753 said...

Colleyville or Copeville, TX???

I think it was Kimchi who asked why are there so many "villes" in Texas?

I actually didn't pay any attention to it until now.

beauders said...

It's Copeville, Texas.

beauders said...

PS I'm reading "I Love You, But I've Chosen Darkness," by Clare Vaye Watkins, Paul Watkins daughter. It is good, she is a professor in San Diego and has a child. This book is about what happens to some women after they have children. I've never had a child, cats are enough for me, so I wouldn't know. My sister has three children, one natural and two adopted, and she was in love with each child almost immediately.

katie8753 said...

Thanks Beauders! Strange name for a book. The vote's still out on Paul Watkins. I don't know if he was an FOC or
not.

beauders said...

What does FOC mean Katie?

katie8753 said...

Friend of Charlie.

beauders said...

I think he was a friend when it was sex, drugs, and rock'n'roll. When things got violent, he was friendly with the girls for sex but I think he was disillusioned with Manson. The fire in the van, I think was planned by the girls, and that turned him completely. Do you realize he was only 40 when cancer killed him.

katie8753 said...

Yeah that's sad that he died so young. He was a cute guy.

I was watching an episode of Adam-12 today, which of course takes place in Los Angeles, and in this episode, a gang of motorcycle bums was terrorizing Malloy & Reed on a deserted western movie set, and one of the gang was a girl, and I was thinking, how could a girl intend so much harm on people. But then I remembered, Manson's gals KILLED FOLKS!

We need to stop thinking about girls being demure and harmless when it comes to the Manson gang. Because those girls were dangerous! They killed people they didn't even know for no reason at all!

katie8753 said...

And they weren't dangerous until they met Manson. Think about it!

katie8753 said...

People who think Manson had nothing to do with the murders are working under a delusion. Manson was the key in ALL of these murders.

Hinman: He wanted money because he thought Hinman had some.

Tate: He was mad at Hollywood and anyone involved in it.

LaBianca: Not sure about that one. But I'll figure it out!

Shea: He hated him because Shea didn't like him and was trying to get rid of him.

More to come.

beauders said...

The Manson women are housed with the first modern school shooter. Her name is Brenda Spencer. A song by the Boomtown Rats is about her. It is titled, "I Don't Like Monday's. That is what Spencer said when asked why she shot up the school. There is a pretty decent documentary on YouTube about her for those interested. It lasts less than an hour.

katie8753 said...

Something else. Tex never told the girls at the Tate murders WHY they were killing these people. He just said to kill them.

Tex never told the girls at the LaBianca murders WHY they were killing these people. He just said to kill them.

He never gave a reason why. And the girls just did what they were told.

Does anyone see anything strange about this?

beauders said...

Van Houten now says she stabbed Mrs. LaBianca because Watson was so menacing. She felt he was going to kill her if she didn't.

Dilligaf said...

LVH also said that Sorry was just a five letter word. She has, over the years, rehabilitated her involvement so as to appear to just being another victim of the Wooly Hophead. Her words mean shit…

beauders said...

I wonder what Van Houten’s life would be like if her mother had allowed her to have that baby?

starviego said...

The girls had been told what to write on the walls by Charlie. They all knew they were going up there to murder even before they got in the car.

katie8753 said...

Charlie just said "leave something witchy". He didn't tell them to write anything. According to Pat, Linda & Susan, they didn't know they were going to kill people until they got to Cielo Drive. Linda even said she thought it was a "creepy crawl".

Of course, the 2nd night Pat had to know what was expected because she was in on the first night. And Leslie had to know what to expect because she had heard them talking about what happened at Cielo Drive.

But not one of the girls asked anybody "why are we doing this"? And neither Tex nor Charlie offered a reason to them either. At least, not that I know of.