tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post7115379496540540896..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Inside Solar LodgeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger132125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-63043904798604167712022-03-05T20:34:41.873-05:002022-03-05T20:34:41.873-05:00beauders said:
I was born in 1964
I learned ... beauders said:<br /><br /> <b>I was born in 1964</b><br /><br />I learned to walk in 1964 !<br /><br /><b>Her mother wanted the child gone and got her way</b><br /><br />A lot of mothers did, and it wasn't like nowadays. Given the times and her divorce and having to rearrange her life, with her daughter and the adopted kids in mind, I guess she should be cut a little slack.<br />Not much though !<br /><br /><b>I'm sure the mother would rather have an illegitimate grandchild than have her daughter involved in mass murder in hindsight</b><br /><br />During the trial, Jane Van Houten reflected on whether or not she may have played a part in what happened with Leslie, which I thought was amazingly honest of her, totally the opposite to Susan Atkins' Dad, Charlie's Mum or Pat's Dad. Looking back on it, I wonder if she had the enforced abortion in mind. In the 60s, it was still quite a rare thing to stand up to one's parents, which partly accounts for why there were so many runaways.They didn't stand up to them, they just left.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-849873255224104242022-02-19T11:30:18.938-05:002022-02-19T11:30:18.938-05:00The original Ridge was better looking, although he...The original Ridge was better looking, although he kind of looked like a girl. But at least he didn't look and sound like a hoarse bum. This Ridge/Brooke/Taylor thing has been going on since the 80's. You'd think they could think up a new storyline.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-41065905185694801812022-02-19T03:51:28.484-05:002022-02-19T03:51:28.484-05:00Was the original Ridge better, did he cheat on all...Was the original Ridge better, did he cheat on all of his wives and girlfriends?beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-36878194913621309102022-02-18T18:43:51.562-05:002022-02-18T18:43:51.562-05:00No Ridge isn't charming. In fact he's odi...No Ridge isn't charming. In fact he's odious. If it were me, I'd be fighting over who has to be with that loser. LOL.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-18707562523939238382022-02-18T04:09:01.747-05:002022-02-18T04:09:01.747-05:00I don’t get it, Katie, women are always fighting o...I don’t get it, Katie, women are always fighting over Ridge. I don’t find him charming at all and wish he’d go back to Paris. Speaking of Paris, her sister is coming back. We should have a Zoe spotting soon. beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-76266816388181256122022-02-18T00:46:22.471-05:002022-02-18T00:46:22.471-05:00I was born in 1964 and was adopted the day after b...I was born in 1964 and was adopted the day after birth so I know what you mean Dil. My birth mother didn't have to give me life, but she chose to. A lot of illegal abortions happened in 1964 and she gave me a gift. From what I know Van Houten wanted the baby and was not willing to give him/her up. Her mother wanted the child gone and got her way. Maybe she would have been embarrassed by her daughter having a child outside of marriage. I'm sure the mother would rather have an illegitimate grandchild than have her daughter involved in mass murder in hindsight.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-47366863703713087502022-02-17T23:57:54.495-05:002022-02-17T23:57:54.495-05:00A third choice was to give the child up for adopti...A third choice was to give the child up for adoption. That was not a uncommon thing in the Sixties.Dilligafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07052411066646010067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-73704860164147853882022-02-17T23:11:29.986-05:002022-02-17T23:11:29.986-05:00I think the only option Van Houten had was she cou...I think the only option Van Houten had was she could leave living with her mother or have the abortion. The way she makes it sound she had no choice.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-36947728506868731782022-02-16T21:02:59.108-05:002022-02-16T21:02:59.108-05:00Beauders, do you mean Leslie was forced by her mot...Beauders, do you mean Leslie was forced by her mother to "lie down and take it" with the abortion, or do you mean that Leslie was driven there by her mother and taken into the "clinic"?<br /><br />When you say "forced illegal abortion" it sounds like she was dragged in there kicking and screaming and tied down.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-72211866065669096002022-02-15T22:01:45.659-05:002022-02-15T22:01:45.659-05:00Grim I meant she was in trouble in a general way. ...Grim I meant she was in trouble in a general way. I think the forced illegal abortion really messed her up. I know someone who had an illegal abortion in the 50’s and was affected by it her whole life, including a life long dislike for sex.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-9062477784383713962022-02-15T07:26:32.010-05:002022-02-15T07:26:32.010-05:00Fullbug said:
I don't even know if I beli...Fullbug said:<br /><br /> <b>I don't even know if I believe that Manson went into the Waverly house and tied up the LaBiancas and then left</b><br /><br />He says he held the gun and Watson did the tying up. Watson concurs. Manson doesn't deny being in the house. He just denies killing anyone there.<br /><br /><b>After years of reading this blog and other sources, I am leaning more and more for a "mixed motive" theory</b><br /><br />That's precisely what the prosecution case presented. They didn't need a motive but recognizing that juries want to know, they presented several ! And they had witnesses and evidence to back them all up. As Astrocreep once immortally put it, it was <i>death by a thousand cuts !</i><br /><br />katie8753 said:<br /><br /><b>Not that it matters, but I think Sharon was supposed to deliver in October. She found out she was pregnant in January. So add it up.<br />The news media likes to say she was 2 weeks away when she was killed, but that probably wasn't true</b><br /><br />The coroner, Thomas Noguchi, said the baby was at 8 months gestation. Just because Sharon found out she was pregnant in the January {if that is even true} doesn't mean a thing. Throughout the eons of time, women have found out they are pregnant at a variety of times. Some have even found out they are pregnant only on <i>the day they give birth !</i> Hard to believe, and I still have a hard time believing it, but there you go.<br /><br /> beauders said:<br /><br /><b>Van Houten was in trouble before Manson. I have no proof but I’ve heard a few times that she was involved in a Satanic Group in the Santa Cruz Mountains</b><br /><br />I don't believe that, for a variety of reasons. For one thing, she's been a lady to bare all, especially to the parole boards over a few decades. LSD, marijuana, burglary, underage sex, pregnancy, adopting the counterculture, abortion, the self realization fellowship, running away to the Haight, Bobby Mackie, dropping out.....it's all come up. This Satanic group in the mountains never has. Maybe she went to a meeting once. Lots of people went to plenty of different types of shindigs in the days when convention was being challenged. That doesn't spell involvement.<br />Also, when you say "in trouble before Manson," what do you mean, exactly ? Do you mean law trouble or just life hassles ?grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-9833368198877011102022-02-14T10:15:07.934-05:002022-02-14T10:15:07.934-05:00I want to remind everyone that in order to post co...I want to remind everyone that in order to post comments on this blog, you must have a gmail address. It's easy to get one. Then you should be able to post comments without any trouble.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-30377944769382005592022-02-14T05:47:14.701-05:002022-02-14T05:47:14.701-05:00beauders said:
I guess this why there isn't a... beauders said:<br /><br /><b>I guess this why there isn't a blog about Jonestown, no one is interested</b><br /><br />It's not so much that no one is interested, it just isn't a story that has the longevity value that the Manson one has. It's one of those episodes that will always make a good documentary every few years.<br />It also has so many horrible details, no real mystery and Jones has few supporters, the way Charles Manson does, and even if he did have supporters, unlike Manson's, there's going to be little articulacy in what they say. Plus, the deaths of so many children, most people don't want to debate that kind of thing over and over.<br /><br />Dilligaf said:<br /><br /><b>Actions have consequences. Often, those consequences are far greater than anticipated</b><br /><br />That, in a sentence, more or less denotes the story of the human race. Possibly the hardest part of bringing up children or engaging with children, is getting them to firmly realize that, before it is too late in one way or the other. grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-60350269409712954502022-02-13T23:47:26.788-05:002022-02-13T23:47:26.788-05:00I've had several people mention that they coul...I've had several people mention that they couldn't post on the blog. I don't understand why that would happen.<br /><br />If any of you have any trouble posting on this blog, please e-mail me. I will make sure your comment gets posted, and hopefully I can solve the posting problem!<br /><br />Okay the big hand's on the 15 and the little hand's on the 10. That means it's beddy-bye time for me. <br /><br />Night y'all! Sweet dreams!!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-17999760048710837882022-02-13T23:45:04.753-05:002022-02-13T23:45:04.753-05:00Beauders, a blogger sent this e-mail to me regardi...Beauders, a blogger sent this e-mail to me regarding your question about Leslie:<br /><br /><b>Dear Katie:<br /><br />Hello. I have been reading the blog off and on for a couple of years. It is a good read. Can you pass this info to beauders :<br /><br />Regarding Van Houten. This tip may not go anywhere, but you can check out Arthur Lyons (The Second Coming, e.g.). He wrote of running into Les-is-more during his route through Satanism in southern California in the late 1960s. It was before Van Houten went to camp Manson.<br /><br />I tried to post the above on the blog, but I blew something. It did not go through.</b>katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-71142817407375579542022-02-13T23:22:35.661-05:002022-02-13T23:22:35.661-05:00Beauders you said:
"Again I wonder what Lesl...Beauders you said:<br /><br /><b>"Again I wonder what Leslie Van Houten’s life would be like if her mother had not forced her to have an abortion."</b><br /><br />You know Beauders, we don't even know if that story is true. It's something Leslie, a killer, said happened.<br /><br />But can you imagine Leslie with a newborn, who needs constant attention and care? The very thought of that scares me!!!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-87481496817832182152022-02-12T12:35:36.111-05:002022-02-12T12:35:36.111-05:00Right on Dill! These people all had choices, and ...Right on Dill! These people all had choices, and they chose to kill. They only have themselves to blame.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-62156099148060717842022-02-12T12:29:02.440-05:002022-02-12T12:29:02.440-05:00Spending your whole adult life in prison may suck,...Spending your whole adult life in prison may suck, but do you know what really sucks? Spending eternity in a casket prematurely.<br /><br />Actions have consequences. Often, those consequences are far greater than anticipated. The upside is an entire adult life without paying for room, board, clothing, or college educations. Seems to me, they got a much better existence than their victims.Dilligafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07052411066646010067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-53246166256526164872022-02-11T22:33:19.513-05:002022-02-11T22:33:19.513-05:00Van Houten was in trouble before Manson. I have no...Van Houten was in trouble before Manson. I have no proof but I’ve heard a few times that she was involved in a Satanic Group in the Santa Cruz Mountains. I grew up about 40 miles away from Santa Cruz so my ears always perk up when I hear something like this. Was this a Process splinter group, I think it was but I can get no proof. beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-41413432133283276432022-02-11T22:28:15.467-05:002022-02-11T22:28:15.467-05:00I would say all of them despise Charlie Manson. Ag...I would say all of them despise Charlie Manson. Again I wonder what Leslie Van Houten’s life would be like if her mother had not forced her to have an abortion. This must have kept her mother up atnightI know it would keep me up.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-14681023472301421642022-02-11T19:49:43.922-05:002022-02-11T19:49:43.922-05:00Thanks Beauders.
Those people aren't gettin...Thanks Beauders. <br /><br />Those people aren't getting out without toe tags.<br /><br />I often wonder if they think back to the 60's and wish they had never met Charles Manson. I don't even know if they thought it was fun at the time. They're all so squirrely it's hard to say.<br /><br />To be in prison your whole adult life would really suck!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-29286996538865629492022-02-11T19:11:50.696-05:002022-02-11T19:11:50.696-05:00The court blocked Van Houten’s bid for parole.The court blocked Van Houten’s bid for parole.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-78384920231991202762022-02-11T11:35:04.223-05:002022-02-11T11:35:04.223-05:00I think he was ok in the beginning but like a lot ...I think he was ok in the beginning but like a lot of powerful people it went to his head. Add to that drug addiction mainly speed he just went nuts.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-9898231578964194382022-02-11T10:50:41.311-05:002022-02-11T10:50:41.311-05:00Beauders was he always crazy or did he just turn c...Beauders was he always crazy or did he just turn crazy when they moved to Jonestown?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-82438161562674845962022-02-11T09:16:30.262-05:002022-02-11T09:16:30.262-05:00He was afraid of what Congressman would see and le...He was afraid of what Congressman would see and learn because the Congressman, Leo Ryan had been fed information by apostates and the Stoen's. If Jones had gave the child, John Victor Stoen back to his mother odds are Ryan would have never gone to Jonestown and would not have been assassinated. There were a lot of problems in Jonestown, the people had to work too hard, were not fed well, and Jones kept them up most nights lecturing and preaching gobblygook. It was a horrible place and Jones was crazy.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.com