Friday, August 4, 2017

DATELINE FRIDAY SNEAK PEEK: The Summer of Manson

Thu, Aug 03 


Keith Morrison reports on the mind and myth of Charles Manson. The one-hour special features rarely-seen video of Manson and interviews with his former parole officer and a “Manson Family” confidant. Morrison also speaks with key players in the case including: Gregg Jakobson, former music producer; Barbara Hoyt, former Manson family member; Debra Tate, victim Sharon Tate’s sister; Anthony DiMaria, victim Jay Sebring’s nephew; Virginia Graham, key witness for the prosecution; and Manson expert and author Jeff Guinn. Airs Friday, August 4 at 10/9c on NBC.


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Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Read the official homicide reports about Rosemary, police even say in the report that she appeared to use men for money and financial support

katie8753 said...

Tex never mentioned in his book that he took Rosemary anywhere. Tex never mentions the dress over the nightie.

katie8753 said...

Keep banging. I'll keep deleting.

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Millions of women use men for money it doesnt necessarily make them bad people, people are complex

katie8753 said...

I know what the police reports said.

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

How am i trashing her? Youre ASSUMING that i am and im only repeating WHAT IS IN THE OFFICIAL REPORT im not saying she was a bad person, she obviously cared for Leno evidenced by her screaming and fighting Leslie and Pat when she heard him being assaulted

katie8753 said...

SHE WAS A VICTIM OF TEX WATSON! Need I say more?

katie8753 said...

I don't care if she was selling her body. She was killed by Tex Watson. Was it 66 stab wounds? How can you die any more than that?

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

My opinion is that hes not going to ket the cst out of the bag at this point or even back then about stealing a significant amount of money from the scene because i think it automatically makes it felony murder if its committed in the act of robbery

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

I agree a MILLION PERCENT, Tex was a piece of shit who should have been taken to the zoo and fed to the lions and I DIDNT ssy Rosemary was "selling her body", nowhere did i call her a prostitute, i only said she had a bit of a history of using and taking from men which millions of women who would never dream of being prostitutes do

katie8753 said...

I don't care if Rosemary wasn't a typical housewife. I don't care if Sharon was wearing a bathing suit. I don't care if Steve Parent was trying to sell a clock/radio. I don't care if Gibby was just sleeping there one more night before getting rid of Voytek and moving out. I don't care if Voytek was a slob that was just living off of Gibby. He was a loser but he didn't deserve what he got.

These people DID NOT deserve to die like that. Don't blame it on them! It's Tex's fault.

katie8753 said...

Ok I think we're crossing paths here.

katie8753 said...

Tex Watson is the one who did all of this.

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Never in a million years would i say they deserved what they got, all im doing is trying to figure out the whys, believe it or not i haveca huge smile on my face arguing this case because im so fascinated by it, please dont think im trying to be mean spirited, if we were discussing this in person im sure wed get along awesome

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Ive never agreed with a statement more than this one YOURE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!! These murders were the Tex Watson murders

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Tex was a selfish, violent, spoiled, entitled, mommas boy, sissy who cared about one person in this world, TEX WATSON, everything and everyone else standing in his path was expendable

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

And i dont hesitate for one minute that he would kill again in a heartbeat if released even at age 71, Pat, Leslie, Bobby and even Charlie im sure if released would remain free of criminal activity

katie8753 said...

Okey doke then. We're finally on the same page. Tex Watson is the one who killed most everyone. He's a piece of SHIT!

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to eat my supper and get to bed.

Plus I'm going to watch SAW, or another scary movie. LOL.

katie8753 said...

And all the rest of those fuckers need to stay in prison. Just my opinion.

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

I agree on that even Charlie because at this point being out if prison would be a worse punishment than being in for him, regarding Pat to me shes the second most bloodthirsty after Tex. I honestly believe Susan only stabbed Voytek in the legs in an attempt to get away and probably held Sharons arms when Tex went to work but i believe Pat carved up Abigail, Rosemary and Leno pretty good

katie8753 said...

I agree completely. Pat needs never get out. She was a vicious bloodthirsty harpie. She can whine and cry all she wants, but she was there stabbing happily.

Susan was just a useless nob but she was gleefully involved. But Susan did hold Sharon's arms and she did smother Gary, so she's a killer.

Leslie went on the hunt the second night with relish (her own words) and she did stab Rosemary 16 times in the back. So she's a killer.

And Linda Kasabian should be in prison. I know the way the law works. She walked because she talked. But I think she's dangerous. She was there. She saw it all.

Just like Clem. And Mary.

katie8753 said...

It's funny how I remember Linda Kasabian's name. I read Helter Skelter back in 1976, and I remembered that name.

Why? I don't know, but I did. It's like a gypsy name. You can't forget it.

Like: Co-Stanza. LOL

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

I totally agree on Kasabian and i really do believe she was in that house that night doing something, Susan being left behind with 2 or 3 people doesnt add up to me

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Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Bill Nelson wrote a letter to Susan in prison around 2001 when i guess his wife was naking him give up researching the case basically ripping into her for all of her lies over the years, in the letter he claimed that in an in person interview he did with her in the early 90s that Susan told him that Tex got so angry at her at Cielo that he locked her out of the house and Bill challenged her and asked her why she never told the parole board that

katie8753 said...

OK I'm tard. Gettin' to bed. It's finally under 100 degrees here.

We'll talk tomorrow. I doubt that Tex locked her out of the house. There wasn't time for that. Once it started going down, there wasn't time for niceties.

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

I agree, it was just one of her lies, she also told him that her and Catherine Share had been to Cielo swimming in the pool when Melcher lived there presumably, driving up there "in the sports car of Dennis Wilsons"

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Kasabian sucks.

Kasabian was pretty messed-up before she even got to the ranch. She was no hapless "Snow White", that's for damn sure.

Bugliosi knew Kasabian was full of shit, but he wanted her as ammunition (and in the end, it worked for him).

Bugliosi carefully planned and orchestrated Linda‘s "hapless flower" image for the jury, because he knew it would make her testimony more credible in their eyes.

So yeah... Bugliosi did major damage control with her image (and destiny), because it suited his agenda.

But make no mistake:
If Linda wasn't willing to "play ball", Bugliosi would have prosecuted her to the full extent of the law. He would have presented her (to the jury), as just another criminal piece of shit. And Bugliosi would have been successful at it, because like him or hate him, Bugliosi was a very effective lawyer.

How much jail time would Linda have gotten? I don’t know for sure… I’m not a lawyer. But, considering the fact that "conspiring" to commit murder, carried the same sentence as actually murdering someone (ie, Manson), it doesn’t take a genius to realize that Linda wasn’t on solid ground.

This was a marriage made in heaven. Linda was an opportunist, and Bugliosi was an opportunist.

Folks often hound Bugliosi about "Helter Skelter", but his portrayal of Linda Kasabian as a "hapless victim of circumstance", may have been his greatest distortion of all.

(I haven’t been following the rest of the conversation, so I’ll stop there)

katie8753 said...

I think lying was second nature to Susan. She probably lied 2 out of 3 statements. I think they call that pathological lying.

Sounds relevant to Susan. She probably lied to herself in the mirror. I think even in the end when she was so soft spoken and crying about calling Sharon a bitch, she was still lying about something.

Okay I'm going to bed NOW. LOL.

katie8753 said...

Hi Lynyrd! G'night Jugdish!!!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Atkins was a quack.
Take everything she ever said, with a grain of salt.

Bobby said...

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Tex took Rosemary somewhere, youre theilory has been thoroughly destroyed now go back into class from recess, the men are talking here

Well you really put me in my place. I'll have lynerd & Katie remove me from the blog staff list and you can take my place since I'm in grade school and you are so adult.

And I have a suggest for Tex, remove the freaking boat from the car before you go to the store.

Bobby said...

Sorry Lynyrd, I never could spell it without looking at it 15 times. LOL.

katie8753 said...

Bobby, you're AWESOME!!! Smooch!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Hi Bob.

Always great to see you.

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Why would he do that? All him and her are doing if they get pulled over is going home, no law against driving a car pulling a boat, all he has to do is threaten to kill her and the cop if she says something

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

I agree completely on Kasabian, i saw dome transcripts of some testimony she gave in a hearing on cross examination i think and they were questioning her on her history going back to maybe 66 and there was prostitution, IV drug use, robbery, by all accounts it looked like she was using theft and prostitution as a neans of supporting her drug habit and this was all before hooking up with the Spahn bunch

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Probably the reason they let her die in prison of cancer even after having a leg amputated, she came off really weird, twitchy and over emotional in parole hearings, just way too animated in responses "i not only owe an apology to my victims but to my maker and this great country" blah, blah, blah

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Probably the reason they let her die in prison of cancer even after having a leg amputated, she came off really weird, twitchy and over emotional in parole hearings, just way too animated in responses "i not only owe an apology to my victims but to my maker and this great country" blah, blah, blah

Marliese said...

Hey susanwhatever, have you ever been to Waverly? More importantly, were you ever to Waverly Drive at anytime in the first 20 years or so after the murders, when the property remained relatively unchanged from August 1969...before one of the subsequent owners tore into the front slope to add a Godawful ugly carport across the front of the property...that would be the same piece of land your buddy Charlie went across from the True lot. Did you ever go there in person, walk along Waverly along the True property and the LaBianca property and see for yourself the bends and turns and slopes of the hillside, the tight shoulders along the road, the curve next to the LaBianca driveway? Answer the question.

Marliese said...

Susanwhatevexr, Susan's twitchy behavior at parole hearings wasn't the reason she was denied parole. Her crimes were the reason was always denied. She knew it, and her husband knows that. Her behavior during parole hearings was a good example of what Doris Tate always said of her...she's an award winning actress.

I think she became an actress early on in her life. She exaggerated, glorified, magnified everything she did...to hide the truth of who and what she came from...a neglectful, pain filled background, and later...the truths about herself that were so heinous and ugly...even to her...

Marliese said...

Hi Bobby, so good to see you, and your voice of cool, collected reason! I so agree with you about the theories of Tex and Rosemary..

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

I disagree with her being a good actress, to me she was completely phony and transparent and slightly unhinged, she had this weird thing she did with her chin that always reminded me of my mom when she was being a drama queen, then shed do her stupid little cry and then over emphasize all of her extra curricular "activities" behind bars (paid for by taxpayers) i might add, she was a piece of shit and a user and deserved WORSE than what she got, you hold the hands back of an 8 month pregnant woman and you deserve a Ronan style scourging and cruvifixtion with spikes held iver an open flames for hours before, "ive sinned agsinst the victims,their fsmilies and most of all God and my country", "my country" where the hell is she getting that?

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Ive known people who make Susan and Charlies childhoods look like a day at Disneyland and they didnt rurn out to be murdered, i had a friend when i was a kid who after report cards came out would show up with black eyes, broken arms, bruises, welts all over his back if he brought home any less than Bs, one time his dad beat him do vadly he was in the hospital for 3 weeks and he turned out to be an engineer graduating with honors from one of the best schools in the state, i found out another girl classmate of mine had been sexually molested almost daily by her father and brothers for years and she turned out to be a wonderful woman with a great family, my mom passed when i was 22 and then sister comitted suicide later that year two weeks before her 18th birthday in 1994 and then my younger brother did the same thing in 2015, everybody goes through hardships

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

No i didnt and neither did you or 95 percent of the people commenting about it, from the photos of the property its easy to see that the car would have been easily visible in the driveway whether Charlie walked across the yard from Trues place, face it THE CAR WAS PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY WHEN THEY GOT THERE, TEX ADMITTED IT, END OF FUCKING STORY, and it was parked IN THE STREET IN A WEIRD SPOT THAT NO ONE OTHER THAN KILLERS WOULD PARK IT, thatstreet is narrow and in a very suspicious looking spot, youre dimply wrong no two ways about it

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

The curve next to the Labianca driveway EXACTLY illustrates my point that Leno would NEVER leave the car and boat exposed in a place like that overnight

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Of course you do because they ignore all facts and evidence to the contrary and fit the Bugliosi bullshit narrative

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I posted a new thread regarding the Tex Tapes.

The hearing is now slated for August 31st.

On that day, a judge will decide whether the Tapes will fall into the hands of Attorney Richard Pfeiffer (Van Houten's attorney).

Probably the most exciting "current development" in recent years.

Not your same old Helter Skelter... LOL

Marliese said...

Susanwhateveryouarethisweek, please don't tell me how I think, or what I believe...I haven't mentioned Bulgliosi once, and you have no idea what I believe, or don't believe, about him. Your theories do not match the physical crime scenes, or the locations...I've heard you say some flat out incorrect statements, for example, about Cielo Drive...the road itself, and argue details substantiated by factual evidence of every one of the victims and the murders ...from Gary Hinman and Donald Shea to Tate Labianca. Must say, if I had as many bloggers telling me I don't know wtf I'm talking about as you have, I'd have enough sense to question what I've said.

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Tell me exactly what ive said thsts wrong genius? Ill be waiting

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Were you an investigator on the case Marliene? Did you study the crime scenes personally Marliene? Or do you just do the usual cut and paste from the internet and online stalking through such "credible" sites as ancestry.com, youre a joke, you know nothing more than anyone else with interest in the case

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Schreck seems to believe Rosemary left with Tex, do you know more than he does in the case? Have you done even a fraction of the research on the case that he has? And i mean REAL research meaning physically interviewing witnesses, friends and Manson himself in prison? Written and published a 1000 page book on the case? You know two things...jack and shit except cutting and pasting bullshit from the internet that fits your pre concieved narrative

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

And by the way youve never been to Cielo or Waverly either, you know as much about those two sites than i do about the North Pole

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Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

I predict a big "nothing burger" to use a term being used alot lately, people already know about the suspicions on Stubbs, Tennerelli and the CHP cop

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Cat got your tongue Marliene? Lol

beauders said...

Susanarkinsgonorhhea you remind me of Bill Nelson --- that is not a compliment.

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Bill was an asshole but he at least researched the case and i mean did REAL research on the case not copying and pasting shit from the internet and stalking ancestry.com and public death records online like people like Marliese do and then try to pass themselves off as experts

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Also notice the silence on her part when i asked her to point out what im specifically wrong about, she does what most people involved on these TLB blogs do when you question the official narrative, they demonize, demean, accuse you of victim blaming, being a conspiracy theorist, blah, blah, blah, Bugliosi himself said he didnt believe the HS theory, Doris Tate didnt either, everyone in Hollywood at that time knew it was bullshit as well

Susanatkinsgonorhhea said...

Lol incorrect statements about Cielo drive? Theres at least 10 videos on youtube of people driving up Cielo drive to the house, only a blind person couldnt see what the layout of it is, ive read the actual homicide and autopsy reports so i dont know what facts you think i have confused there, funny thing is in the actual homicide reports for Cielo cops had 2 official theories, drug burn/rip off and home invasion/attempted robbery, funny how even after all the mumbo jumbo bullshit about Helter Skelter and the impending race war came out police never changed their story

beauders said...

Two weeks after Patty Tate died, Nelson got a hold of her death certificate and was trying to sell copies of it, I think for $50.00. He was sure showing respect to his friends, Mr. and Mrs. Tate. He was one of Mrs. Tate's groupies and Patty cut him out of the circle when her mother died. He was a pig.

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