Wednesday, April 4, 2012

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Candice Bergen and Angela Lansbury, in the News
The women are starring together these days on Broadway , in an acclaimed revival of Gore Vidal's play "The Best Man," about a deadlocked presidential convention.
Candice Bergen, famed daughter of Edgar Bergen, gifted ventriloquist, and one of the stars of the new Broadway hit “The Best Man”, spoke today on CBS This Morning.
As you know, Candice was living at Cielo Drive with Terry Melcher until December of 1968 before Sharon & Roman moved in around February 1969, and Candice was also an attendee at Sharon & Roman’s wedding in London.  She definitely knew them.  After the murders, and when it was found that the Manson family killed the people at Cielo Drive, Candice yelled at Terry Melcher “that could have been me!!!”  Shortly after, they broke up.  (Guess why?)  Here's the clip of Sharon & Roman's wedding.  It shows Candice Bergen with Michael Caine at around 1:00.
Also, Angela Lansbury let her daughter, Deirdre, travel with Charlie Manson’s family, even giving her daughter a note that it was okay, since Deirdre was underage.  Deirdre later introduced her friend Nancy Pitman to Charlie Manson.  Gotta wonder if Candice and Angela ever commiserate about what happened in 1969 at Cielo Drive.
Submitted by Katie!  Thanks Katie!

63 comments:

starship said...

Hi, Katie,

Yes, let's go hang out at the stage door and yell manson questions at them after the show.

Nancy Pitman and Didi Lansbury were friends? Really? How do you know?

katie8753 said...

Hi Starship!

It states on cielodrive.com that Nancy and Didi were friends and Didi introduced Nancy to the family. But that's not where I first read it.

I think it was in The Family or another book I've read. Maybe it was on Bret's site. Can't remember off the top of my head.

Let me do some more sleuthing and I'll let you know.

katie8753 said...

Starship, I've got a question for you.

If memory serves, after Terry & Candice moved out of Cielo Drive, and before the Polanskis moved in, wasn't Dean Moorehouse living at Cielo Drive, and Tex was there quite a bit too?

I'm thinking that Jacobson got Moorehouse in there because he knew Rudy.

Is this right?

CarolMR said...

Sharon and JAY'S wedding?! Wow, talk about a Freudian slip!

katie8753 said...

CAROL!!!!

You got that right! I guess that was wishful thinking. Thanks for catching that.

Lynyrd please correct that when you get a chance. :)

katie8753 said...

Wow...I even put Sharon & Jay's wedding twice in that paragraph. Trying to change history I guess. LOL.

My bad......

starship said...

Hi, Katie,

Moorehouse living in the guest house may very well be true, but I don't believe it's ever actually been proven.

The story is he lived there in 1968 while the rest of the gang was at Dennis Wilson's house. Old Dean was creeping some of the girls out so they moved him out of the way.

katie8753 said...

Thanks Starship!

I think the rent at Cielo Drive was $1200/month. That was a LOT of money back in 1968/1969. I just don't see Dean Moorehouse having that kind of dough. Did he even have a job?

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Wait...
You mean, Sharoon didn't actually marry Jay? LOL

Kimchi (also) writes:
"I'm not one to point out mistakes, but there are two in your Bergen thread...
You have Sharon marrying "Jay" twice...
I know it's wishful thinking, but...."


Sigh...

I guess I'll have to start reading and editing the THREAD SECTION more closely as well!
LOLOL

Hey...
The video has Roman in the wedding, waddya want from me? hahaha

Katie...
I'll see you in my office. LOL

I knew I rushed back from vacation to soon...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I just thought I'd mention, a funny fact...

The visitor stats actually increased for the two days, I was closed! LOL

I mean, seriously?

What the f#ck, does that mean???

AHahahahaha

Blogs...
Go figure?
: )

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Evidently...
I'm more popular dead, than alive! LOLOL

katie8753 said...

Okay, I know...fifty lashes with a wet noodle. HA HA HA.

I seriously have a problem associating Sharon with Roman. It's easier to put Sharon with Jay. I think it's a mental block.

I always have to stop and think....R-O-M-A-N. LOLOL.

Venus said...

I have to stop and think that too, Katie. Had they lived, maybe there would've been a wedding between them. That's another thing we'll never know.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Is it just me... or does Roman look exactly like Austin Powers in that video!!

LOLOL

"Yeah baby... Yeah!

Venus said...

I have to stop and think that too, Katie. Had they lived, maybe there would've been a wedding between them. That's another thing we'll never know.

Venus said...

Lynyrd, are you JUST now noticing that resemblance????? LOLOL

Venus said...

Why are my posts duplicating lately? And, they're separated by a few minutes too. I don't get it.

katie8753 said...

Lynyrd, he DOES look like Austin Powers!!! He acted like him too.

"The bettah to shag you bay-bee".

LOL.

katie8753 said...

Venus, I've had that duplication problem too at times.

After you push "publish", go to the bottom of the page and make sure it didn't publish before you hit it again.

I think it's another Google thing.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I updated the thread.

Check out the bottom!

"Allow myself to... introduce myself"
LOL

Venus said...

Thanks Katie!

Oddly enough, I find Austin Powers to be somewhat attractive. Maybe it's the fact that he thinks he's so cool and studly which are traits I don't find attractive in what's 'is name. Go figure!

katie8753 said...

Lynyrd, you've done it again! You're the best!!! LOL.

"My name is No. 2.

This is my Italian confidential secretary. Her name is Alotta. Alotta Fagina."

HA HA HA HA!

You know, all Roman needs is those horn rimmed glasses and he would look exactly like Austin Powers. LOL.

Isn't that dealer in that clip the "Soup Nazi" from Seinfeld?

katie8753 said...

Venus I find Austin Powers MUCH more attractive than Roman as well, which is like saying he's the prettiest pig in the trough. LOL.

At least Austin is funny.

Roman....is not.

Venus said...

Maybe that's what it is--the humor. I love a guy who can make me laugh.

LOLOL at the "prettiest pig in the trough" comment" LOLOL

Venus said...

Of course, the character of "Felicity Shagwell" was supposedly based on Sharon.

katie8753 said...

Robert Wagner's wife, Jill St. John, played Tiffany Case in Diamonds Are Forever, another Bond film, which Austin Powers is based upon.

Anyway, back to the thread, I was just going to comment that I think that Candice Bergen is a wonderful actress. She was very good at dramatic roles, but was even better in comedy. Murphy Brown was one of the funniest sitcoms ever aired, and I would say at least 95% of that was her humor.

She had wonderful comedic timing and delivery. Such a delight!!! :)

katie8753 said...

>>>Venus said: Of course, the character of "Felicity Shagwell" was supposedly based on Sharon.>>>

I didn't know that Venus. Interesting.

I wonder if the Austin Powers character was based partly on Roman, according to his apparel at his wedding?????

CarolMR said...

"Trying to change history I guess. LOL" - katie

I wish you could!

CarolMR said...

"Of course, the character of "Felicity Shagwell" was supposedly based on Sharon." - Venus

Never knew that either, Venus. I was just reading an article in a woman's mag that said Sienna Miller is trying to copy Sharon's look. I guess Sharon had a look that is still being copied after all these years.

CarolMR said...

"Evidently...
I'm more popular dead, than alive! LOLOL" - Lynyrd

No! We were just checking in constantly to see if the site was back up!

katie8753 said...

>>>Carol said: I was just reading an article in a woman's mag that said Sienna Miller is trying to copy Sharon's look. I guess Sharon had a look that is still being copied after all these years.>>>

Wow, I didn't know that either.

I can't think of any actress today that would come close to Sharon Tate in the looks department. She was just gifted with natural beauty which is hard to emulate.

MrPoirot said...

Deirdre later introduced her friend Nancy Pitman to Charlie Manson. Gotta wonder if Candice and Angela ever commiserate about what happened in 1969 at Cielo Drive.(end quote)

Poirot replies:

I bet they never did chat about Cielo. Angela Landsbury is extremely egotistical and self centered to the point of being like Joan Crawford or Betty Davis as far as being Hollywood pri madonnas consumed with nothing but their professional image and status. She probably looked upom Deidre's connection as an embarrassment to her acting career. I've never read anything, anywhere being written about Angela Landsbury speaking even one word about the murders. I'm sure she was pissed that Deidre dared soil her professional reputation and revealing that she was a absentee, doesn't give a shit about her own daughter, type mother.

katie8753 said...

You know Mr. P., I think you could be right about that.

I don't know much of anything about Angela Lansbury, but I thought it was odd that she would write a note saying that her underaged daughter could travel with a group of older hippy men. I guess that was easier than trying to manage her.

Course I don't know anything about her daughter either. There could be 2 sides to that story. LOL.

Marliese said...

Mr. Poirot said >>>>I'm sure she was pissed that Deidre dared soil her professional reputation and revealing that she was a absentee, doesn't give a shit about her own daughter, type mother.<<<<<


How are you 'sure' of this? Pretty harsh judgment about the woman's character, Mr. Poirot.

Just my opinion, the note could be just another made up story. I wouldn't exactly call anyone that may have had the opportunity to see such a note, if it did exist, credible.

And let's say there really was a note, the girl could have written it herself...wouldn't be the first time a kid forged a note from home, or their mother's signature. LOL

I think it's believable Deirdre and Pittman may have known of each other, maybe even hung around together, they're about the same age, both lived in Malibu etc. but i don't know anything factual about a relationship between Angela Lansbury's daughter and the Manson crew...

I do know Angela Lansbury packed up her kids and moved out of the country when her house in Malibu burned down...around the time of the trial, and later was well thought of for supporting everyone and their brother on her hit television show...she was considered very generous and professional.

And Deirdre is a successful businesswoman now, so she didn't get into the kind of trouble that irrevocably ruins your life.

bobby said...

Mr P. Has made statements about Col Scott being Col. Tates lawyer and being disbared as a result. Provides absolutly no supporting evidence. Now he is making statements about AL without sources that I'm aware of.

Mr. P has some great prespectives but, somethings need back up and sources to be beleived.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Hey Bob!

bobby said...

hey lynyrd ! welcome back from vacation.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I'm staying completely out of this discussion.
I know NOTHING about Angela Landsbury, except that she starred in "Murder She Wrote".
Moreover, I never watched the show once.
I know she played some type if investigative sleuth, of sorts.

The only thing I know of her daughter Deirdre... I learned on the blogs.
Which means, I know nothing. LOL

Not trying to be a jerk or anything, but honest to Gawd...
I seriously thought both Angela and Candice were long deceased.
When Katie submitted this story... I thought it was a hoax. LOL

My exact words to Katie were:
"Candice Bergman and Angela Landsbury on Broadway?????"
"Jeez... I thought they died 15 years ago".
AHahahaha
If you don't believe me... ask Katie.

Based on all that...

I defer to EVERYONE on this topic!
: )

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

'Course, I'm an Austin Powers expert.

Not sure what that says, about my taste in cinematograohy. : )

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Bob said:
"hey lynyrd ! welcome back from vacation".

Thanks Brother!
GREAT to see you, as always!

Vacation's are never long enough.
But, I got my sense of humor back, anyway. LOL

I think I'm gonna save that "vacation sign"... and use it, every once in a while. LOL

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Ya know... I was thinking today:
I really miss "Frank".

He's a top-notch blogger, and really cool cat!

Frank...
Where are you hiding Brother?!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Wow...

I made a lot of typos, up there.

Ignore the typos folks! LOL

Marliese said...

bobby said...>>>>>
Mr P. Has made statements about Col Scott being Col. Tates lawyer and being disbared as a result. Provides absolutly no supporting evidence. Now he is making statements about AL without sources that I'm aware of.

Mr. P has some great prespectives but, somethings need back up and sources to be beleived.<<<<<<


Hi Bobby, you're a nice person.

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katie8753 said...

The door at Spahn's Ranch said this:

1-2-3-4-5-6-7...All good children go to heaven.

Groove on it bay-bee.

I didn't make it up...it's real.

Want proof? Just say so.

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katie8753 said...

Okay for now, listen to this.

It's Seinfeld's outtakes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9poi2rOCnBo&feature=related

Listen and learn.

HA HA HA.

bobby said...

Marliese, You made my day.

Thank you !

bobby said...

Katie,

The door that had the 123 written on it.


Was it the same door with helter skelter written on it ?

starship said...

Hey, Katie, when you watched MMMM it was on DVD, correct? Did you watch the special feature with the short film?

katie8753 said...

Hi Bobby!

>>>Katie,

The door that had the 123 written on it.


Was it the same door with helter skelter written on it ?>>>

Yes! It also said "Nothingness". Whatever that means. LOL.

katie8753 said...

>>>Starship said: Hey, Katie, when you watched MMMM it was on DVD, correct? Did you watch the special feature with the short film?>>>

Starship, I rented the DVD and I still have it. I haven't watched the special feature. I'm assuming it's on there. I just went straight to the movie. I can plug that in and watch it later. Does it explain anything??

bobby said...

Yes! It also said "Nothingness". Whatever that means. LOL

I'm pretty sure that didnt mean anything.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Bob... please check your email.

Thanks Brother!

starship said...

Hi, Katie,

No, if you were frustrated by the real film, the short film won't add anything to it. Both films were made fairly close to where I live and very close to where I used to camp before the floods of the last few years washed away our site.

I just find it interesting, because the idea of a 'cult' going on creepy crawls and murder sprees out of their HQ in the woods of upstate NY is the reason I became fascinated with the Manson Murders in the first place. Not that it happened, but I was fearful it would when I was a younger lad.

Oh, and as for the ending of the real movie...again I think it is deliberately up to you to decide if it means anything. Or not.

Peace.

CarolMR said...

Ed Sanders wrote about Angela Lansbury writing a permission note for her daughter to hang out with the Manson gang in "The Family." But he wrote it as a "blind item" and I never would have guessed it was Ms. Lansbury. Sanders also wrote a blind about Manson having an affair with an actor who was starring in a popular TV series at the time.

katie8753 said...

Thanks Starship. I was gonna ask you how you thought the movie ended, but I guess that's just for everyone to decide for themselves. I won't mention how I thought it ended, just in case someone else wants to watch it. At least not now.

Since you know that area very well, I was wondering if you could explain the comment that was made in the movie by Marcy's sister, Lucy.

Lucy made the comment to her husband that Marcy had been living in The Catskills, and her husband went ballistic for a second. Is The Catskills a bad place to live???

I was just confused about that comment.

katie8753 said...

>>>Carol said: Ed Sanders wrote about Angela Lansbury writing a permission note for her daughter to hang out with the Manson gang in "The Family.">>>

Thanks Carol! I tried looking for that yesterday but gave up. :)

Marliese said...

CarolMR said...>>>>>>
Ed Sanders wrote about Angela Lansbury writing a permission note for her daughter to hang out with the Manson gang in "The Family." But he wrote it as a "blind item" and I never would have guessed it was Ms. Lansbury. Sanders also wrote a blind about Manson having an affair with an actor who was starring in a popular TV series at the time.<<<<<<


Hi Carol, I wonder if it was 'blind' because there wasn't evidence to support the claim, or blind to protect against defamation. Maybe both. I don't know.

My issue was about the 'absentee, didn't give a shit about her own daughter type mother'...
Opinions are one thing, but that seemed pretty harsh to me...

starship said...

No, Katie, the catskills are nice...unless it's cold, windy and snowing...I think he was just expressing surprise that she was so close to them for two years and never contacted them.

katie8753 said...

Oh, okay thanks Starship. That makes more sense! :)

What did you think of the movie? I know St. Circumstance liked it. I don't think anyone other than the 3 of us has even seen it.

Did you like those slow moving scenes? Did it answer your questions about cult behavior?

There were subtleties in the movie, like Marcy hearing rocks being thrown on the roof, and I'm assuming she felt like their home was going to be invaded from her experience with the cult she was involved with. A lot of the movie was kind of garnering your own opinion about what was happening in her mind, and in reality.

Other than the setting being familiar to you, what was your take on this movie??