Monday, July 4, 2011

Katie says:  This just in!!  A new book about Sharon Tate will be released in January 2012. 
It's called "Restless Souls: The Sharon Tate Family's Account of Stardom, Murder and a Crusade".  It is authored by Brie Tate (Patti Tate's daughter) and Alisa Statman (Patti's best friend).  It is based largely on a book that Paul Tate was working on (but was never published)... on Doris Tate's notes regarding her feelings, about what happened to Sharon... and, on Patti's notes, about what really happened.  This book is a long time in the making, and should be a good read. Stayed tuned for more details!!  http://www.amazon.com/Restless-Souls-LP-Familys-Account/dp/0062107291
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Inyo County Courthouse completed 1921 - Courtesy Eastern California Museum
After three previous courthouses were lost to earthquake and fire, Inyo's fourth and current courthouse was built to resist both.  The region's only example of monumental Neoclassical Revival public architecture, this courthouse was placed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1998 in recognition of its "integrity of feeling and association".  It was here in Independence, that 24 members of the Manson Family were jailed in 1969 for possession of stolen vehicles and property.  Within days of his preliminary hearing, Charles Manson was indicted in the Tate murders and transferred to Los Angeles.

Below: Page 220 - "Manson in his Own Words" - Nuel Emmons

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LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Thanks to Kimchi for the 2009 photos!
Thanks to Backporch Tapes for the video!

Parts of the Nuel Emmons excerpt, do not exactly sound like Manson in his own words to me... but, it re-hashes the events related to the timeline, and location, so I figured it was appropriate/pertinent .

MrPoirot said...

Yea I think it is paraphrased as you suspected but Emmons didnt wander far off of Charlie's intended meaning.

I always thought it funny how Inyo arrested Charlie once and he never got loose again. The system in LA arrested Charlie all the time and he always got right back out.

Kimchi said...

Nice job Lynyrd..

Happy 4th of July!

katie8753 said...

Happy 4th everybody!! Thanks for the photos Kimchi!

Boy Charlie looks gamey in that video. Peee-yuuuuuhhhh. How anyone could have remotely found him attractive is beyond me. HA HA.

If memory serves, when Bugliosi went to Barker to look for clues and found the bus with all the stuff in it, he decided that they needed a search warrant to preclude any problems with evidence collected during trial.

So they went to the Inyo County Sheriff for a warrant, and the Sheriff just kinda laughed and said "search warrant? I haven't issued one of those in years!"

Kinda like an Andy/Barney kind of place I guess.

katie8753 said...

I'm sure the "Manson in his own Words" stuff has been presented in Emmons' form, for the only reason for it to be understood.

If he put down what Charlie says "verbatim" then it would be a hard to understand, hard to follow mish mash of words strung together haphazardly, and therefore would be unreadable.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Happy 4th of July to everyone!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie said:
>>>>So they went to the Inyo County Sheriff for a warrant, and the Sheriff just kinda laughed and said "search warrant? I haven't issued one of those in years!"
Kinda like an Andy/Barney kind of place I guess.<<<<<

I got the impression while researching this location, that "Manson" was the biggest thing that ever happened there... before or since.

Kimchi... is "Independence" a "one horse town"? LOL

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Here's a completely worthless hypothetical (two actually), for the sake of discussion:

Manson was being held in Inyo County for auto theft etc., when Susan started spilling the beans... and hence... Manson was already in custody (when he was arraigned for the murders).
Already in jail... how convenient huh?

I gotta wonder:
If Manson was still at the ranch (hypothetical #1), and somehow "caught wind" Susan was talking, and they were coming for him (hypothetical #2)...
I wonder if he would have fled?

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I've got a feeling, Manson would have pushed Clem aside... bounded over a pair of naked lovers mid-f#ck... stole a couple bucks from Spahn's dresser (LOL), and left in a cloud of smoke! LOL

As "King" says as he's being air-lifted out of vietnam:
"Gooood-Bye Mother-fuckeeeerrs". LOL

Personally... I don't think Manson ever had any loyalty to anyone but himself.

OR... (as Poirot will likely state), would he be so moved by "love of brother"... that he'd stay to the bitter end... and go down with the ship??

Kimchi said...

Lynyrd Said"

"Kimchi... is "Independence" a "one horse town"?

It's a nice town! Kind of like Mayberry...but hot in the summer!

It's a County Seat, but I don't think they get much money from the State, and yeah, it's claim to fame is the Manson thing... but they try to build their tourist stuff on Manzanar, the Japanese internment camp....that's all there is in their museum....I was hoping for more of the 'Manson stuff', but nope, nada, not even a mention! They did sell the Desert Shadows (signed) book there however..and yes, I couldn't resist. A very good book too.

katie8753 said...

>>Lynyrd said: As "King" says as he's being air-lifted out of vietnam:
"Gooood-Bye Mother-fuckeeeerrs". LOL>>>

HA HA HA.

Yeah, if Manson thought that net was coming down on him, all those hippies would see was assholes and elbows.

"Forget about all that 'come to now' shit. I'll catch ya'll on the flip side." LOLOL.

PPPPPPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFF!!

katie8753 said...

Kimchi, it's hot in the summer, but what about October?

Was Charlie wearing that buckskin outfit since they got there???

That seems awfully hot for summertime.

If you wore something like that here, you'd end up weighing about 30 pounds. HA HA.

MrPoirot said...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...


OR... (as Poirot will likely state), would he be so moved by "love of brother"... that he'd stay to the bitter end... and go down with the ship??

Mr Poirot replies:

I get the feelingg Lynyrd disagrees with my assessment of Charlie's devotion to the Family.

katie8753 said...

Hey, that's an idea. A new weight loss gimmick.

"Step right up ladies. Are you tired of being fat? Are you tired of being called the Town Hog?

Well...I've got the answer. Just slip into this buckskin suit, and I'll guarantee you, that by swimsuit weather, you'll be wearing a thong that will knock everyone's eyes out.

For only $29.95, you can look like Gisele B√ľndchen. And all it takes is a little sweat, and a lot of pungent odor."

HA HA.

Kimchi said...

Katie said:

"Kimchi, it's hot in the summer, but what about October?"

Yeah it's hot in October, all our fires happen in Sept/Oct...

Doesn't get "cool" until Thanksgiving, it's even hot then too sometimes...

It's always hot in California...LOL

I met a couple in Oregon in 1975 - they used to belong to a "Commune" - they told me "After being in the commune, the worse smell in the world was deodorant and shampoo" They said "perfumes stunk"...I was horrified...but I was just a dumb teenager...

MrPoirot said...

Kimchi said...
Katie said:



I met a couple in Oregon in 1975 - they used to belong to a "Commune" - they told me "After being in the commune, the worse smell in the world was deodorant and shampoo" They said "perfumes stunk"...I was horrified...but I was just a dumb teenager...

Mr Poirot replies:

Yep, that's how they talk. A commune is its own little world with its own reality. Like we invented deoderant for no reason. Sheesh!

katie8753 said...

>>>Mr. P said:
Kimchi said...
Katie said:



I met a couple in Oregon in 1975 - they used to belong to a "Commune" - they told me "After being in the commune, the worse smell in the world was deodorant and shampoo" They said "perfumes stunk"...I was horrified...but I was just a dumb teenager...>>>

I didn't say that...Kimchi did. LOL.

katie8753 said...

>>>Kimchi said: I met a couple in Oregon in 1975 - they used to belong to a "Commune" - they told me "After being in the commune, the worse smell in the world was deodorant and shampoo" They said "perfumes stunk"...I was horrified...but I was just a dumb teenager...>>>

Well, let's see.

What stinks more? Perfume, deoderant or.....B.O. Or BBO (Seinfeld), This is BEYOND B.O. HA HA.

I won't go into detail, but when a human doesn't wash his/her body, certain odors prevail.

Let's examine the Manson Family.

Depending upon whether you are female or male, certain odors start emanating from the body, depending on the chemical imbalances of "that person".

If people don't bathe on a regular basis, certain odors start "taking over" and no "perfume" is going to put it out.

It's like spraying an air freshener over a "skunk smell".

I would suspect that your Oregon friends from 1975 had adjusted to the stench of their own commune.

And the Manson Family probably "got used to" the smell of the family.

What do you think about those "stinkbugs" walking into the studio to record their music. Don't you think everyone was holding their noses???

Pheeewwwwww.

Kimchi said...

"I didn't say that...Kimchi did. LOL.:

Yeah I did, and I think about that every year when my husband comes home from his "man-cation" hunting trip and I say "eewww"...I smell nothing nice about it..!! It's actually repulsive...it is not manly, it is not attractive..

MrPoirot said...

Before washing machines and running water and deoderant even royalty stunk. perfumes certainly were used to mask odors. It was normal to smell in the 1800s. They wore wigs to hide oily hair. If you washed your clothes on a rock in a creek would you wash them everytime you wore them? If you had to haul water up a hill would you bathe 2 and 3 times a day? In poor countries even now the rich live in the valleys and the poor live atop the hills. The rich dont carry water as far.

MrPoirot said...

If i may add? Plumbers probably have done more for the health and longevity of mankind than doctors have.

MrPoirot said...

This man is dying! Is tthere a plumber in the house?

katie8753 said...

>>>Kimchi said: Yeah I did, and I think about that every year when my husband comes home from his "man-cation" hunting trip and I say "eewww"...I smell nothing nice about it..!! It's actually repulsive...it is not manly, it is not attractive..>>>

I hear ya baby doll. A "man hunting trip" usually ends up being days without bathing, and killing things.

Can't smell good.

Kimchi said...

"This man is dying! Is tthere a plumber in the house?"

LOL - my son in law is a plumber...my daughter won't even 'touch' his clothes to wash them...poor guy goes to a laundry mat to wash his work clothes...

Yeah Mr. P...my ancestors were from Liverpool...they actually had "public baths"...they are still there...my auntie said "you went there every 2-3 weeks" to bathe...and that was in 1930-1940's...they had no real bathrooms - 2 up and 2 down, meant 2 bedrooms up and a living room and kitchen down...toilet was communal, out back...

katie8753 said...

Okay, back to the Casey Anthony case, this is my take on the death penalty.

A lot of people say, oooohhh, no hanging, shooting, gas chamber, electric chair, guillotine, etc.

This is what I think.

The perp should die JUST LIKE the victim did.

I've heard a lot of things today that I hadn't heard about Casey Anthony before.

BLOW TORCH that fucking cunt....

If justice is served, then Casey Anthony will have chroloform placed on her face, and duct tape placed over her mouth and nose, and she will suffocate, just like the innocent little toddler she killed. The innocent little toddler who ran to her mommy and said "I love you".

Without ANY remorse.

Without ANY sadness.

Without ANY human compunction.

With LIE AFTER LIE, all the while thinking that she got away with murder.

Just so she could bump & grind in the bars every night and not have a little toddler to hold her down.

Just so she could hang out with boyfriend after boyfriend, without "baggage".

She should have gotten down on her hands and KNEES and THANKED GOD that she was able to have a child, and that child was "normal" without abnormalities. But she's a selfish, fucking bitch.

She is a fucking sociopath. And she needs to die.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Mr. P said>>>>
"I get the feeling Lynyrd disagrees with my assessment of Charlie's devotion to the Family".<<<<

AHahahaha
What ever gave you that impression? : )

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie said:
>>>>"Step right up ladies. Are you tired of being fat? Are you tired of being called the Town Hog?

Well...I've got the answer. Just slip into this buckskin suit, and I'll guarantee you, that by swimsuit weather, you'll be wearing a thong that will knock everyone's eyes out".
<<<<

...and if you "act now", we'll even throw-in these matching buck-skin panties... to trim those hard to reach areas... for absolutely free!
(While supplies last)

AHahahaha

Kimchi said...

"Mr. P said>>>>
"I get the feeling Lynyrd disagrees with my assessment of Charlie's devotion to the Family".<<<<

AHahahaha
What ever gave you that impression? : )"

Right on brother...he (Charlie) didn't think of "it" as a family...he has said that over and over...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie said:
>>>>"What stinks more? Perfume, deoderant or.....B.O. Or BBO (Seinfeld), This is BEYOND B.O. HA HA".<<<<

BEYOND! LOLOL

Gawd. I smelled a few of those at Wal-mart once.
Seriously... it was like:
Where's my f#cking gas mask?
They really shouldn't even allow folks in public places like that.
Chemical warfare! hahaha

katie8753 said...

We've all been toddlers at one time or another.

Did we get killed because we're too much trouble?

No.

When my kids were little, I had to bathe them, brush their teeth, feed them, change their pants, rock them all night with colic, etc., until they were old enough to do it themselves.

But even then, you still have to regulate it, make sure they brush their teeth right, use the potty, bathe, etc. Not to mention, PROTECT THEM from danger. You insulate your house. Put up barriers so they can't get into trouble.

Children are not a burden.

They are a blessing.

But sometimes it's hard to take care of them.

Sometimes...you just want to go back to being a carefree person, that didn't have to take care of anybody.

That's NORMAL.

But what's NOT NORMAL, is killing your child, so you can go back to the bar scene and hang out with others who don't have children, like you did a year or so ago.

That's what Casey did.

She didn't want the responsibility of raising a child.

A child who ran to her and said "I love you Mommy".

Fucking cunt!! She needs to die.

MrPoirot said...

Kimchi said...
"Mr. P said>>>>
"I get the feeling Lynyrd disagrees with my assessment of Charlie's devotion to the Family".<<<<

AHahahaha
What ever gave you that impression? : )"

Right on brother...he (Charlie) didn't think of "it" as a family...he has said that over and over...

July 4, 2011 6:38 PM

Mr Poirot replies:

There was a time when they would kill and die together(1969).

Then there was a time when Charlie wanted all the girls to take the fall for him(1970).

katie8753 said...

>>Kimchi said: Right on brother...he (Charlie) didn't think of "it" as a family...he has said that over and over...>>>

Kimchi, if Charlie didn't think of it as the "family" then what did he think of it as?

The group? The "Newly hashed weblings". The "New sound of the south?" "A bunch of hippies?" "A new butt wash?"

Come on now Kimchi!! You KNow that he thought it was his family.

Charlie's a liar. Just like Casey Anthony. Pathological.

Liar, liar, pants on fire!!!

It was the family that Charlie never had.

So he had to invent it.

You and I both KNOW that.

Come on now!

Kimchi said...

Mr Poirot replies:

There was a time when they would kill and die together(1969).

I read where there were was talk about that, but none of them did that (die together)- I feel that was alot of inside chatter or a show of solidarity...

Then there was a time when Charlie wanted all the girls to take the fall for him(1970).

Who said that? The girls facing the gas chamber?

In all the recorded interviews, I've never heard Charlie say that...if he did, please tell me where, I'd like to read/hear that...

MrPoirot said...

MrPoirot said...
Kimchi said...
"Mr. P said>>>>
"I get the feeling Lynyrd disagrees with my assessment of Charlie's devotion to the Family".<<<<

AHahahaha
What ever gave you that impression? : )"

Right on brother...he (Charlie) didn't think of "it" as a family...he has said that over and over...

July 4, 2011 6:38 PM

Mr Poirot replies:

There was a time when they would kill and die together(1969).

Then there was a time when Charlie wanted all the girls to take the fall for him(1970).

Oh, and let's not forget in 1968 that Charlie and the Family were peaceful.

Which of the three realities is real?

Kimchi said...

"Which of the three realities is real?"

Personally, I can't really say, I wasn't there..were you?

Over the years, there's been a lot said that goes both way, I guess it's just who you believe...

MrPoirot said...

All three are true. It wasn't a static situation.

katie8753 said...

I will just say this.

At the time of the trials, the girls would have died for Charlie.

That's what he taught them. Over and over. Die for me.

They declared that they "would die for him".

I think they thought that he would poooooffff take them to the bottomless pit and to the trees and to the everlasting life and bottomless pit.

And that he would save them.

How STUPID they were.

It NEVER happened.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie... you ended that Casey Anthony post, with such eloquence.
LOLOL

katie8753 said...

I was trying to end my sequeance with
Caylee's.

I can't. 'm tired.

I'm as tired as Caylee.

Just go to sleep.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I found the prosecution's closing arguments for anyone who's interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW01h_pwkJ4

It's in 7 parts.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I invested over an hour, watching the 7 segments.
There's some convincing evidence there.

I found the information, regarding the rare brand of duct tape, and the bag the girl was found in, very compelling.

The tape which was used to cover the baby's face, was very rare (and hadn't even been sold in stores or online, for a few years)... yet, it was also found in the Anthony house... on a gas can.

The cloth bags were sold in a 2-pack... (two different shapes).
The baby was found in one... the other bag from the set (the other shape) was found at the Anthony's house.

His closing words about the 3 pieces of duct tape were quite convincing as well.

katie8753 said...

After Charlie was prounced guilty of murder, and during the penalty phase, he decided that he'd had enough.

He wanted the girls to take the fall, so that his life would be spared.

After all his big talk about not having fear, he was afraid he was going to die.

That's when he told the girls to come up with the copy cat theory. And BTW, he said, make sure you indicate that it was all Linda's idea. Let's bring her down too.

Well....they tried their best, but Bugliosi shot holes in all their lies, because that's what they were...lies.

They were willing to die for Charlie, and believe you me...he wasn't about to die for them.

katie8753 said...

I really believe that the girls thought that even if they got the death penalty, that somehow, Charlie would save them.

They really thought he had magical power.

I guess it wasn't until after they had cooled their heels in prison for a few years, that they finally woke up one day and say "HUH???"

The realization that they had been taken for a ride must have been a REAL downer. HA HA.

MrPoirot said...

Remember Leslie wanted to fire ronald Hughes because he was trying to claim Manson was responsible but Leslie wanted to take the fall for him. Hughes would not aid her attempt to go to the gas chamber. He stood up for her against her wishes.

katie8753 said...

Yes, Mr. P. You're right.

Leslie wanted to be rid of Hughes, along with Sadie & Katie trying to be rid of their counsel also.

Each of the defense lawyers for these girls admitted that the girls wanted to take the stand and declare Charlie innocent, he had nothing to do with it, take the fall for him, etc., etc.

Each of the defense lawyers knew that they would not be abiding by the oath they took when they became lawyers if they allowed this suicide pact.

Charlie didn't get his way at the end.

katie8753 said...

Lynyrd, thanks for posting those closing arguments.

It takes a while to sit and listen to it, but it takes you from point A to point Z with all the gory details of how this girl lied her ass off to everyone about Caylee, and in my opinion, she really thought she could just keep lying forever and no one would ever know what really happened.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie said:
>>>>"It takes a while to sit and listen to it, but it takes you from point A to point Z"<<<<

I didn't watch any of the trial at all, but, if you watch those 7 segments, you've pretty much seen it all.
The prosecutor takes you through the entire saga... in chronological order.
That's what makes it easy to understand.
It's not just bits and pieces.
He tells the whole story beginning to end... all the while, presenting physical evidence, whenever possible.

I submit, that if you're only going to watch one hour of the trial... youd do well to watch that series.
It's gives you a firm grip on what's going-on.

katie8753 said...

LYNYRD!! The jury has reached a verdict! They'll announce it at 2:15pm Eastern time.

Stay tuned!!!

mattprokes said...

they made the right decision based on the evidence.

katie8753 said...

Well, Casey was found not guilty of murder or manslaughter. The only guilty verdict was false info to a police officer.

She lies about her daughter's whereabouts for a month, not revealing that she's gone. That's a fact!! In my mind, it's enough to convict.

Justice was NOT served today. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!

katie8753 said...

Well, it's pretty clear why the jury found her not guilty.

If they had found her guilty, they would have had to stay sequestered for the penalty phase. They were tired of being locked up and wanted to get outta there.

So sad for little Caylee.

They have made it plain that they don't want to talk to the media (I'm sure they DON'T - HA HA), they don't want to be identified in any way, they just want to go home.

katie8753 said...

Well we have a new official "horse teeth". HA HA.

Mommy of the year!

You know, Casey would have been a big asset to the Manson Family. Too bad she wasn't born 42 years earlier.

http://caseyanthonynews.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/partydress1.jpg

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Personally, I wouldn't have given Casey first degree murder either.

I personally believe Casey was very likely the killer... BUT unfortunately... I don't believe the prosecution presented quite enough concrete evidence, to "prove" that.
It was very suspicious... but, you can't (with a clear conscience) send someone (possibly) to their death, based on suspicion alone.
The prosecution, simply didn't have quite enough evidence to work with... to secure justice.

I would however, have given Casey manslaughter with a clear conscience.
If your baby is kidnapped, missing, drowned, etc... and you do not report it in a timely manner (ie, immediately)... you're severely hurting that child's chances of being found or saved.
The chances of survival diminishes exponentially, as the clock ticks.
In that regard, Kacey was a contributor to the child's demise.
I believe that was clearly proven.
She did have some ownership, in decreasing the child's chances for survival, regardless which of her cock-amaimy stories you believe.
It's not always crimes of commission (what someone did)... but, crimes of omission (what someone failed to do).
I believe her apathy deserved a manslaughter charge.

ALSO... "if" you believe, that the child was, in fact, in her trunk for that month... you've got to consider that, as well.

Personally... I would have given the bitch manslaughter, and let her cool her heals in prison for 10-20 years for good measure, with a completely clear conscience... but, that's just me.

I wasn't on the jury... so, my opinion really doesn't matter.

katie8753 said...

Okay I'll say one more thing about Casey Anthony. And then I hope I never hear her name again.

She's a FUCKING CUNT. She killed her daughter, poor little ole Caylee, drove around with her in the trunk, all the while laughing it up and having the high life, then dumped her in the woods like discarded trash.

All the while, never grieving, never remorseful, never giving it a second thought, always mad at her family for "bringing it up".

There is justice for people like Casey Anthony.

Some people call it "Karma". I like to call it "God's way".

Sometimes I wonder why God does certain things.....but there is ALWAYS a REASON. Maybe I don't understand that reason right now, but there is always a reason.

She WILL get her comeuppance. And when she does, there will be no denying it. Mark my words.....she will get it.

It might be in 2 weeks or 2 years, but she WILL get it.

It always happens to people who hurt others needlessly.

ALWAYS!!

katie8753 said...

Okay I just wanted to make a comment about the "leather thong" around Charlie's neck in the video.

I thought he used that for the LaBiancas. Does he have a whole "shoe-box" full of that shit?

Does he pull out a different "thong" for every time he kills folks???

HA HA HA.

katie8753 said...

Regarding the new Sharon Tate book, I've heard that it's gonna be a good one.

Lots of new stuff.

I look forward to it in anticipation.

There are a lot of things about the Tate family that haven't been discussed.

I for one would love to know why, and I've asked this question before, Col Tate and Doris didn't have any children after Sharon for 10 years.

Debra was 10 years younger than Sharon. So for 10 years (and that's a long time) Sharon was their only child. Then, boom, boom, they had Debra & Patti.

That's puzzling to me.

I've never heard any explanation for that.

Anyway, I'm going to purchase this book, because it looks like a great book with new info.

I will let y'all know of any new info I receive.

Hopefully, it will be forthcoming soon!

bobby said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbTS7jS4UHw

for my friend Pat.

please enjoy this video.

katie8753 said...

Hi Bobby. Who is Pat???

Glad to see you back.

Did you have fun on your vacation?

bobby said...

Hi Katie, Vac. was great went by fast of course. Pat was a life long friend who fell while taking a shower last thursday and died. I just returned from the calling hours.

bobby said...

I was shocked that the Anthony girl didnt get the manslaughter charge. Katie I know what you mean about the karma. Just look at OJ.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Hey Bob!

I'm sorry to hear about your friend Pat.
Please accept my deepest sympathies.

BTW... I just replied to your e-mail, an hour ago.
It's been a busy evening, and I checked my e-mail real late.

Peace... Lynyrd

bobby said...

Thanks Lynyrd.

I know what you mean on the emails. I went back to work today & didnt come close to catching up on emails.

katie8753 said...

Hi Bobby. I'm sorry to hear about your friend. He fell in the shower?

That's a tragic incident!!!

Sorry again. I hope he didn't suffer.

katie8753 said...

>>>Bobby said: was shocked that the Anthony girl didnt get the manslaughter charge. Katie I know what you mean about the karma. Just look at OJ.>>>

Oh Bobby, there is so much I can say. But I think it's all been said. And for me to go on and on is a mute point.

I'm utterly and completely dismayed that Casey Anthony is now a free woman.

But I know that she'll fuck up soon.

Little Caylee won't have died in vain.

That cunt will fuck up and she WILL be held accoutable. She can't escape the final judgement.

God sees all...that jury will be held accountable too.

They rendered that verdict because they wanted to get home. I know that as sure as I'm sitting here.

Those pussy fuckers wanted to get outta Dodge and they knew if they gave a "guilty" verdict, that they'd be stuck there for at least 3 or 4 more weeks.

And little Caylee waits for justice.


And waits......

bobby said...

Thanks Katie, I know it's really f up. First time I have seen his mother & some of his bro's & sister in 30 years.

I googled how many people slip and die in the shower & it came back with 56,00- last year.

katie8753 said...

Bobby, isn't that how Bruce Lee died???

Or is that just made up?

HA HA.

Okay not funny about your friend. I guess it's easy to slip and fall in the shower when you're older and your footing isn't good.

That's why they have bath mats.

I'm sorry for your loss.

I wish you and your family the best. The loss of a loved one is hard.

I look forward to seeing you again. Your posts are always "on spot". :)

Love ya!!!

Marliese said...

Bobby, my sincere condolences to you on this sad loss of your friend. I'm so very sorry.

katie8753 said...

oops, Bobby sorry. Mean't "spot on".

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katie8753 said...

Oh look, it's the Merv Griffin Show.

(the music swells. la.la.la.lala.)

Well our first guest is Casey Anthony, the murdering slut.

(music swells).

Merv: Well Casey have a seat. How are you?

Casey: I'm doing just fine now, Merv, since I killed my daughter and got away with it. Now I'm free to fuck, fuck fuck, tatoo, fuck, fuck, tatoo, and then maybe kill thangs.

Merv: Well, whatta bout that??? HA HA.

(uncomfortable silence).....

Merv: errrrr......So what are you going to do now Casey, since you're free, and...don't have a place to live and....don't have a job...and shit.

Casey: Well...I'm sure I can just go back to my Mom's and lie my ass off, you know, same oh, same oh, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, and fucking lie.

I'm sure she'll believe my lies. She always did.

Merv: Okay....well glad to have you on. Ummm......commercial break???

Casey: I can kill you too and no one would know. I'd get off again, because juries are so fucking stupid.

Merv: Okay....our next guest is Charles Manson....wheeeewww!!

HA HA.

Marliese said...

Katie, many thanks for the book info. Will be sure to get it when it's released. Glad to know it's based on a book Paul Tate was working on...thanks.

katie8753 said...

Hi Marliese. It's supposed to be a very good read. Lots of new info that we haven't heard before, which will be very interesting. I'm definitely going to get this book!

katie8753 said...

I'm hoping that since this book has been written by family members, that a lot of questions will be answered about Sharon.

Was she really going to divorce Roman after the baby was born? What exactly was her relationship with Jay? Were they just friends, or was it going to be more after the baby came? I think that his hanging around Sharon almost daily says a lot.

How did Doris really feel about Roman? I can't imagine that, as a mother, she would be happy with a son-in-law that was very promiscuous and made her daughter cry.

How did Sharon feel about Gibby & Voytek living with her? Her mother has indicated that she was very upset about them living in her house. She was about to give birth and I think that she was trying to start living a more wholesome, healthy life for her child.

I definitely think Sharon was going to make changes after the baby was born, but I don't know what those were. Unfortunately, she didn't get the chance to do it.

I think that Sharon and her mother were very close, and her mother knew a lot of things that haven't been revealed.

And why did the family get mad at Debra?

lurch said...

Didn't Debra pose for a skin mag in the 70's, playing up her resemblence to Sharon? That would be enough to piss the family off i bet!

katie8753 said...

Lurch, Debra did do a sleazy layout in the 70's, and that might be a big reason they got mad at her, especially in light of the fact that Sharon was so brutally murdered and that might have been an "in your face" to Sharon's memory.

But...I have a feeling there's more to that story.

MrPoirot said...

She danced on Sunset Strip if you get my drift. i think Mr and Mrs Tate had daughters that were a bit too modern for their old fashioned upbringing.

katie8753 said...

>>>Mr. P said: She danced on Sunset Strip if you get my drift. i think Mr and Mrs Tate had daughters that were a bit too modern for their old fashioned upbringing.>>>

Debra was a lot more brazen about nude photos than Sharon was. At least the pics I've seen of Sharon in the nude were tasteful. The ones of Debra are sleazy.

bobby said...

Thank you Marliese.

bobby said...

Interesting. A book started by Paul Tate. Do you think there will be any investigative aspect to it ? Does anyone know if the why was a concern of Mr. Tate ?

Quick observation on the Casey trial: Before the verdict i didnt hear anyone saying there wasnt enough evidence. After the verdict: Lots of people saying it.

katie8753 said...

Hi Bobby.

>>>Bobby said: Interesting. A book started by Paul Tate. Do you think there will be any investigative aspect to it ? Does anyone know if the why was a concern of Mr. Tate ?>>>

Bobby, I'm not sure what motivated Mr. Tate to "dress like a hippy" and go undercover to find his daughter's killer.

Interesting comment.

Before he even knew about the Manson family, he suspected hippies. Not sure why.

I'm sure "the why" was on everyone's mind. Why, why why???

I'm not sure what Mr. Tate's notes included, and I can't wait to read this book.

Should be much better than most, because it's pretty much written according to people who were in "the loop" and knew a lot more things than some guy just writing a story and interviewing a bunch of dirty, drugged-out, Manson-entranced hippies.

Anybody who really wants to write a true piece on this subject needs to go to people "in the know". Not just film a bunch of Charlie's minions dancing around naked. HA HA.

>>>Quick observation on the Casey trial: Before the verdict i didnt hear anyone saying there wasnt enough evidence. After the verdict: Lots of people saying it.>>>

Bobby, there are a lot of things going on right now with this case.

There are several civil lawsuits aimed at Casey Anthony right now, I won't go into it, but I believe that the number will grow.

This girl can literally go on any talk show now, and admit that she killed her daughter, and say exactly how she did it.

And the law can't touch her.

It's called Double Jeopardy.

So any blood money that she makes off her little dead daughter can have a lien placed upon it with any judgement made against her.

Only one juror has spoken so far, and that juror basically said that the jury thought that Casey's parents were nut jobs, and therefore placed no blame on Casey. They have also said that the prosecution didn't have enough evidence to prove Casey's guilt.

But...stop and think about it. Little Caylee was thrown in the trash dump and was allowed to not only rot & decay, but animals also moved and ate her bones.

You can't get good DNA samples off bones. So...sadly, little Caylee Marie lost out this time.

I'm sure that, in time, we'll know more about it.

This just in...groups are now trying to make it a federal law that anyone who fails to report a child missing within 24 hours of the disappearance is guilty of a felony act.

All this is for little Caylee.

What I do know now...is that when Casey is released, she will be dropped off in a private quandrant for her protection because the public wants to "draw and quarter" her!!

MrPoirot said...

Maybe the civil suits will force Casy to give up her Heisman Trophy.

katie8753 said...

>>Mr. P said: Maybe the civil suits will force Casy to give up her Heisman Trophy.>>>

HA HA.

Maybe they will make her give up her Nobel Peace Prize.

Awarded to her for her work in the field of "killing someone and blaming mommy and daddy for it".

HA HA.

You know...the ex-fiance WAS going to snag the bullet, but at the last minute, the defense team decided to target the Anthony family and leaving this fucker out of it.

BTW, he was on CNN and said his piece.

Check it out.

I don't think he'll marry this bitch anytime soon.

HA HA HA.

katie8753 said...

I forgot to mention that a guy that films XXX movies made an offer to Casey to "perform" in his new movie.

But the public outrage was so bad that he withdrew it.

He said "why make a smut film if people won't watch it".

It's all about the ever loving dime.

Also...I'll make a comment on the Anthony family.

The Daddy was (supposedly) having an affair with a greasy, darked haired woman. I can't tell what nationality she is. She's just greasy and dark.

Maybe he was...maybe he wasn't.

She was a shady character. With an alias. River Cruz. This woman has issues and I gaurantee you that she's gonna try to get more money off this deal.

So what?

The Mother was bortrayed as a "control freak", wanting to know "where her granddaughter was".

SO WHAT??? Any grandmother would say that.

That doesn't make them dysfunctional.

that makes them everyday mom & pop.

So STOP trying to make the Anthony "grown ups" crazy.

They were normal human beings.

The one that wasn't "normal" is Casey.

She lied her ass off her whole fucking life!!!

I've known pathological liars, and believe me, it had nothing to do with anyone but themselves. Or in their imagination of anyone else.

I'm not a psychiatrist, but I do know human nature.

And I've known liars.

And they suck holes.

MrPoirot said...

The River Cruz scumbag definantly will be paid by the defense if they get any money from this. But that had nothing to do with the child's death and George successfully denied that and successfully denied the sex abuse claims. The jury bought it all though. Not a very bright jury.

katie8753 said...

OH Mr. P.!!!

The "River Cruz" crap, or whatever the AKA is now, is a greasy scumbag that got $4000 from The National Enquirer so far.

Let me lay this out for you people.

Casey Anthony lied about having a job.

She didn't have one.

Therefore, she needed to live off someone.

People who don't work, can't pay rent. That's simple.

If Casey had told her parents "I'm tired of being a parent, just take Caylee and I'm outta here" then her parents would have said "fine....don't let the doorknob hit you in the butt".

But Casey couldn't afford that.

She didn't have a job.

She LIED.

She had no means of visible support. For herself or her little daughter.

Sooo...she concocted something.

Ohhhhh....Caylee's missing. the Nanny kidnapped her.

that bought her time.

Her boyfriend was just about sick of her leeching off him, always claiming to get a paycheck, but always coming up with a reason why she didn't.

"Oh I'll help with the bills, I just need a paycheck.

All the while, little Caylee is hearing all this and learning. Maybe to some day repeat it.

Casey has to do something.

Her lies are running out.

She has to kill little Caylee.

The video they keep showing is Caylee singing "you are my sunshine, my only sunshine."

I'll tell you people, if that doesn't make your blood run cold...nothing will.

katie8753 said...

It's one thing to kill adults for some stupid haphazard reason just because your're a pathological liar and you can't keep a job....helter skelter.

But to kill a child just because your're a pathological liar and you can't keep a job.

That's a whole nother ball game.

bobby said...

Katie, You make some great points on the Anthony case. Especially the parents. I believe them to be good normal people.

Now i will contradict myself: Do think there is any possibility that George went along with the defense attorney & said yes, you can blame me & accuse me of molesting my daughter if it will prevent her from getting the death penalty ?

katie8753 said...

>>>Bobby said: Now i will contradict myself: Do think there is any possibility that George went along with the defense attorney & said yes, you can blame me & accuse me of molesting my daughter if it will prevent her from getting the death penalty ?>>>

Bobby I absolutely don't think that. George was disgusted with this charge, as anyone would be. It's a horrendous charge to make.

And just another one of Casey's lies.

The Anthonys made the statement DURING the trial that they thought Casey was guilty. I'm sure they didn't want her to get the death penalty, because she is still their daughter. But I think they hoped she would get life in prison.

Casey's parents STILL don't really know what happened to Caylee, and I think for people to hate them just because they're Casey's parents is unfair. They are victims in this case too.

katie8753 said...

Okay, Casey had her sentencing today.

Judge Perry levied the maximum he could...1 year for each guilty count plus $1,000 fine for EACH count.

That makes 4 years in prison, but he has to account for time already served and "good behavior" so they're estimating that Casey might get out this month or next month.

But...at least she didn't walk today. And that pissed her off. HA HA.

You know, she reminds me of Sadie. She came to court this morning with her hair down and just laughing and talking and flirting with her attorneys, until the Judge showed up and started talking about her lies. Then her demeanor changed abruptly back to her usual hang-dog look and glaring eyes.

Marliese said...

>>>You know, she reminds me of Sadie. She came to court this morning with her hair down and just laughing and talking and flirting with her attorneys, until the Judge showed up and started talking about her lies. Then her demeanor changed abruptly back to her usual hang-dog look and glaring eyes<<<<


So true, she came strolling out of that holding cell with completely different body language than we've been seeing during the trial...here I am, aren't i beautiful. Where is the grief for her dead child? I just saw a replay of her sitting at the defense table this morning, wiggling her index finger towards Jose Baez...come here style. Couldn't even wait for him to turn his attention back to her, she had to interrupt him.

Marliese said...

She's out next Wednesday, July 13.

katie8753 said...

Yes Marliese she'll be getting out next Wednesday.

Her behavior this morning was nauseating. No thought for anyone but herself. Nothing for Caylee or her parents.

She's looking forward to all the money she'll make off this case, blood money off her own daughter.

But with the civil suits being brought against her, I hope others get that money instead of her.

So I'm wondering where she will go. She has ruined the lives of all her family. Certainly they don't want her.

I've heard that she might move in with some distant relatives in Houston.

All I know is, whatever avenue she pursues...books, movies, whatever...I won't spend one thin dime on any of it. You can bet it will just be more of her sickening lies anyway.

katie8753 said...

Oh, BTW, the prosecutor in this case, Jeff Ashton, is retiring.

Maybe he'll write a book (Helter Skelter...The TRUE Story of Casey Anthony).

Now THAT I would buy. LOL.

Marliese said...

bobby said...
Quick observation on the Casey trial: Before the verdict i didnt hear anyone saying there wasnt enough evidence. After the verdict: Lots of people saying it.



That's interesting isn't it.

I really wonder about the jury's understanding of reasonable doubt as it applies to circumstantial evidence. Reasonable doubt may be 'slight' and applied with logic and common sense. It doesn't mean if there aren't eye witnesses and dna...
It's like they wanted evidence that couldn't be presented. I don't know how they can sleep at night.

bobby said...

Next Wednesday. I thought the judge had biggger balls than that.

Marliese said...

I guess that's all he could do. He essentially gave her four years, one year for each of the four charges...the maximum allowed, to run consecutively, not concurrently, but then they applied the nearly three years of time already served and factored in the usual time off for good behavior and it came up to July 13. Sucks big time.

Marliese said...

Anyone see the kid outside the court room this morning with a 'casey will you marry me' sign?
All kinds of whacks and bottom feeders are going to come out to play now...

katie8753 said...

No Marliese, I didn't notice the kid with the sign, but there will be lots of nutjobs trying to have their "15 minutes of fame" with her.

Even Tex Watson found someone fool enough to marry him.

Back to the "reasonable doubt" stuff, before deliberations, the defense put this chart up concerning doubt, and I don't remember exactly what was on there, but it was basically diessecting "reasonable doubt" to the 9th degree, and I was thinking...if you go strictly by that chart, the only way you could convict is if you had an eye witness's account of what happened.

In my mind, the fact that she lied and covered up Caylee's disappearance/death until she no longer could, when Caylee was found, which was December 2008 (that's six months of lying), makes her an accessory to murder, and I would have based that on my verdict of GUILTY!!

katie8753 said...

Regarding the judge's sentencing, he did give the maximum he could give on each of the 4 counts, but the commentators have mentioned that Casey was also convicted of forgery in, I believe, January of this year. The sentence was up to 1-1/2 years.

Darling little Casey evidently stole someone's checkbook and started living a short-lived high life on someone else's dime.

Anyway, evidently the Judge could have incorporated the penalty for this charge into the 4 counts just received, and made a little more time out of it. But he chose not to, for whatever reason.

katie8753 said...

When Casey is released, the Florida police are going to provide as much protection as they can for her, but ultimately she'll be on her own.

There have been MANY death threats levied against her.

We may not find out for a while exactly where she is going to live.

She sure ain't moving in with me. HA HA.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie said:
>>>>"This just in...groups are now trying to make it a federal law that anyone who fails to report a child missing within 24 hours of the disappearance is guilty of a felony act".<<<<

As I said earlier, I would have given her manslaghter, based solely upon that situation (what was it, a month??) alone.
How can a parent completely fail to report that their own child is missing, and get away with it?
That's not a crime?

katie8753 said...

Lynyrd, I guess it's not currently a crime to not report your child missing. An error of ommission.

Casey wasn't charged with that.

Does anyone else know for sure??

MrPoirot said...

Katie8763 said:(regarding Casey's parents)

"They are victims in this case too"

Mr Poirot replies:

Well said.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

You can add hi-jacking my thread, to Casey's list of offenses. LOLOL

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Totally off-topic:

The Inyo County Courthouse, where Manson was...
: )

J/K

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

If/when that porno comes-out, it will be uploaded here, in it's entirety. LOLOL

I'm kidding... I'm kidding.
Sheesh, calm down everybody.... it's just a joke! hahaha

Mary said...

Katie said - Darling little Casey evidently stole someone's checkbook and started living a short-lived high life on someone else's dime.

Anyway, evidently the Judge could have incorporated the penalty for this charge into the 4 counts just received, and made a little more time out of it. But he chose not to, for whatever reason.
-------------
She stole her best friend's checks and pled guilty and was already sentenced to a year probation...so, I believe I heard she would be on probation for at least a year once she gets out.

MrPoirot said...

Charlie had not begun his courtroom antics at all while in the inyo courthouse. It wasnt till shortly after he was in trial at the LA courthouse that he started orchestrating the wildness. The behavior at inyo and LA is the difference between night and day.

katie8753 said...

>>>You can add hi-jacking my thread, to Casey's list of offenses. LOLOL>>>

HA HA HA HA!!

Off with her stupid little head!!

katie8753 said...

Mary, I heard today that Casey is not on probation, that when she gets out Wednesday, she's free to go wherever she wants.

katie8753 said...

>>>Mr. P said: Charlie had not begun his courtroom antics at all while in the inyo courthouse. It wasnt till shortly after he was in trial at the LA courthouse that he started orchestrating the wildness. The behavior at inyo and LA is the difference between night and day.>>>

Mr. P., I'm not sure what you're referring to. I think this is all common knowledge.

Are you referring to his mild demeanor at Inyo in the video?

Charlie had no reason to act up at the Inyo County Courthouse. He was only charged with car theft and destruction of property.

A mere "snap of the fingers" compared to murder.

katie8753 said...

Okay, I know what I was gonna say before I got carried away with baby-killing Casey.

Charlie is wearing his famous "leather thong" in this video.

Didn't he tie up the LaBiancas with this famous thong?

What....does this guy have a whole drawer full of these??? HA HA.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

As long as he's not wearing a thong under those pants, I'm good. LOL

katie8753 said...

"As long as he's not wearing a thong under those pants, I'm good. LOL"

HA HA HA HA!!

Well, who's to say he's not. Only the Manson Family knows for sure.

LOLOL.

katie8753 said...

I'm surprised that Charlie didn't hand Tex a shitload of those leather thongs when he went to Cielo Drive and just say "you know what to do with these."

Hoooo-waaaahhhh.

The leather thong.

That must be a signature mark of Charles Manson.

"Yup....I'm never without one".

My Dad always had a handkerchief in his pocket. I guess that's an old man thing.

But Charlie always had leather thongs. All sizes, all makes, but nonetheless, leather.

Must be....a Charlie thing?

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Maybe the leather thong was pre-cursor to "American Express"... Charlie "never left home without it". LOL

katie8753 said...

"Maybe the leather thong was pre-cursor to "American Express"... Charlie "never left home without it". LOL"

HA HA HA.

Boy you're right.

"Girls, get busy and make those leather thongs. I've gotta lotta bidness to take care of. I need may 200 of those things. I've got people to kill."

Blue (or red or pink or yellow or puke orange): Yes Bwana. Will do.

Only where do we get the leather?"

Charlie: Shit it out your ass. I don't care where you get it! Just fucking get it."

HA HA.

MrPoirot said...

You can see Charlie in the Inyo courtroom before he started going totally bonkers. At some point after being taken back to LA he turned on the afterburners. Bedlam broke out in the LA courthouse. It was a deliberate decision by Charlie to do this. I don't really understand what it was he was trying to do. If he hadnt told everyone in the Family to act so wild it's possible Leslie may have been paroled by now. Her antics in her trials doomed her to a lifetime in prison.

katie8753 said...

>>Mr. P. said: You can see Charlie in the Inyo courtroom before he started going totally bonkers. At some point after being taken back to LA he turned on the afterburners. Bedlam broke out in the LA courthouse. It was a deliberate decision by Charlie to do this. I don't really understand what it was he was trying to do. If he hadnt told everyone in the Family to act so wild it's possible Leslie may have been paroled by now. Her antics in her trials doomed her to a lifetime in prison.>>>

Mr. P., why are you singling out Leslie? How is she different from the other defendants?

katie8753 said...

Okay I just want to make one statement about the Anthony Family.

Casey's ex-fiance made a comment that he was at the Anthony home and Cindy Anthony started yelling at Casey about money she owed her. And she demanded it back.

Well...I'll tell you folks, I've made that same demand to both my kids when they got jobs, pay me back.

There's nothing wrong with that. I loaned them money and I expect it to be paid back.

Well...Casey couldn't pay it back, because she is a fucking liar.

She lied about almost every job she had.

She didn't have money. She's a fucking LIAR.

There is nothing wrong with asking her for money.

And I'm really sick and tired of the Anthony parents being made out to be demons.

They were ordinary parents...just expecting their daughter to get a job, and pay her expenses.

katie8753 said...

And I'll say one more thing.

My kids never killed anything or anybody.

So put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!

katie8753 said...

Casey reminds me of Charlie Manson.

Can't keep a job...lie about jobs...use people to get your way...murder is the final answer....

This case is SO parallel with the Manson case.

Hmmm....think about it won't you???

Mary said...

You are right Katie - when she was scheduled for release next Wednesday, she was slated to be on probation for a year...but then they recalculated and she does not get out until the 17th...and her probation expired in January. That is what happens when everyone expects instant gratification...leaves too much room for error

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

(((((((((((MARY))))))))))

MrPoirot said...

I singled out Leslie because she was the youngest and has the best chance to get parole.

8/9 baby said...

Van Houten was turned down again this year. From the pictures, it looks like she's given up trying to look like a "soccer mom", and blathering about what a good person she is. This time she sat there slumped and quiet, had little to say beyond an apology to the victim's families. I think she has finally realized, she ain't never gettin' out. She always put on a good show, the most convincing of the lot. But not enough to make you forget that she stabbed a woman 16 times in the back.

Who was she kidding? She will die in jail, lucky she had a chance to redeem herself at all as a "model prisoner".

Judging by her behavior at the latest hearing, she finally realizes that. About time, i'd say.
She's up again in two years.

MrPoirot said...

When Leslie entered prison she said she was told she would be there until she was in her 70s.

katie8753 said...

Hi Mary. I didn't know she was getting out on the 17th. That probably made her lower lip stick out and those dagger eyes pop. HA HA.

katie8753 said...

Hi 8/9 Baby.

I have to say that I've had a mind-bending experience lately.

As Lynyrd and I discussed when the not guilty verdict was read, Casey Anthony is much more of a threat to society than Leslie or Pat. I have to say that I agree with that.

Casey is a lying sociopath, and since she killed once and got away with it, I have no doubt she will do it again. Whatever benefits her is what she'll do. She is one scary bitch.

Pat & Leslie on the other hand have spent their entire adult years in prison, reflecting on what they did and whether or not there is sufficient remorse (on Leslie's part), I don't believe either of them will harm anyone ever again.

I was always of the opinion that the heinous nature of the Manson crimes warranted them being in prison forever. But if you look at the Anthony case, is that any less heinous?? I don't think so.

So, as much as I never thought I'd say it, if you're going to let Casey go, you have to let Pat & Leslie go too.

katie8753 said...

Tex should never get out. Not only did he slice & dice everybody up, he's still having an effect on people with his "ministry" crap.

Charlie should never get out either. He's definitely still influencing young people to do his bidding, and he should just stay right where he is.

bobby said...

Katie said,Casey Anthony is much more of a threat to society than Leslie or Pat.

That is why it is a safe bet that she will end up in trouble again.

katie8753 said...

Yes Bobby, I have no doubt that Casey will be in trouble again some day.

She has learned first hand that you can do anything you want to, and as long as your lies are good enough, you will get away with it.

You know, of the 4 counts of lying to the police that she was found guilty of, one of them, if I was a juror, would have been enough to convict her.

She told the police that she talked to Caylee on the phone in July 2008. We now know (and the jury knew too) that at that time, Caylee had been dead for a month.

This was Casey's way of having the police look for a "missing" child instead of a "dead" child. So they weren't combing the countryside looking for a dead body, they were on a wild goose chase to find a kidnapped child.

If that fact doesn't disgust, dismay and enrage a person, then there's something wrong.

bobby said...

Katie, who was the guy the family brought in to search for Caylee. He also looked for Haliegh Cummings. I dont mean the guy with the cowboy hat. Nancy Grace interviews him frequently and he seemed to be pissed at George & Cindy because he felt they knew Caylee was dead but had him searching anyway. I would like to learn more of his thoughts but cant remember his name. Thanks.

katie8753 said...

Bobby, was it Dominic Casey??

I don't think for a minute that the Anthonys knew Caylee was dead. I think they hired this guy to find her, thinking she had been kidnapped, like their lying daughter reported.

I don't know if the jury heard this (I didn't hear the prosecution's side) but there are records off Casey's cell phones (pings) that show she was in the wooded area where Caylee was found just a few days after Caylee went missing.

That should have been enough evidence to convict.

The prosecution should have made charges based on Casey's lies having impeded the search for Caylee, and therefore allowing the body to completely decompose, thereby leaving no real evidence of why and how she was killed. I guess they didn't think of that.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Bob said:
>>>>"That is why it is a safe bet that she will end up in trouble again".<<<<

My prediction as well, Bob.

I think Casey has some serious issues, which will make it very difficult for her, to hold a steady job... keep a marriage together... raise children successfully... or, even maintain friendships.
The list goes on.

I can see her making a complete mess of her life, and ending-up, as a Springer show candidate.

She is a liar, cold, self-absorbed, immature... and several other "qualities" which impede a healthy lifestyle.
She has likely burned bridges with her immediate family as well... which never helps a young person.

They say if you give a fool enough rope, they'll hang themself.
There's a lot of truth to that statement.

She may not end-up in jail for murder... but, I can see her having a really f#cked-up life... completely hurting everyone around her... and leaving a wake of misery in her path.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

((((((((((8/9 Baby))))))))))

katie8753 said...

"She may not end-up in jail for murder... but, I can see her having a really f#cked-up life... completely hurting everyone around her... and leaving a wake of misery in her path."

True, true Lynyrd.

I have seen her path of destruction even thus far:

Caylee is dead.

George & Cindy Anthony (parents) are broken beyond repair.

Lee Anthony (brother) is broken as well. Lee & George both branded as child molesters.

The mysterious nanny Zanny. The lady who bears that name has been threatened, bullied and ostracized, lost her job, lost her apartment, etc.

The ex-fiance Jesse Grund. He was implicated in this mess as to having something to do with Caylee's disappearance. He has a degree in crimonology, lost his job because of the accusations, and now waits tables because no one will hire him.

The list goes on and on.

All because of Casey's selfishness and lies.

I pity the fool who takes up with her in the future. I pity any future children she might have.

bobby said...

Bobby, was it Dominic Casey??
no, maybe first name Tim ? he leads a group that specializes in searches for children.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Leslie VS Casey?

Has it really come to this? LOLOL
Just kidding.
It's an interesting comparison.

Um... I would submit... at this point... Casey is much more of an "accident waiting to happen", than Leslie.
Casey is more unhealthy mentally... and therefore, more of a threat to herself and society.

Let's keep in mind however:
Although, being unsafe in society, is the reason stated most frequently, to justify denial:
"Based on the totality of the record, [insert name], poses an unreasonable risk to society". LOL... being "safe in society"... is not... the only criteria for release.
Folks are also kept in prison as restitution for their crimes.

I think Pat will likely be held in prison forever, based on the "restitution" element... even though, I highly doubt she's dangerous to anyone.

Um... as for Leslie being released (not sure I want to touch this one), it's a toss-up... but, I will say this:

I honestly believe, that if Manson died tomorrow... Leslie's chances for parole would double, in 5-10 years.
Heck, if Manson died 10 years ago... she may have been released... at the next hearing.

Bottom line... I believe Leslie is still in jail, because of the whole Manson family stigma.

If Leslie (a young girl) acted compltely alone... stabbing a poor, unknown, gas station attendant... (in the same fashion, 16 times in the back)... at 11pm... in a small town in South Dakota... and stole $35 dollars out of the station's cash register:
She likely would have been released by now, to make room for new prisoners.

Of course, Leslie's "antics" at the trial, didn't help her "reputation" much either... but, even at that... if the crime "went down", as I described above... ("sans family", at a gas station robbery)... I think she'd be out by now... even with the courtroom "antics".
Although... there weren't any "antics" at Leslie's second trial, were there?
If you consider the fact that Lesie's second trial, is the real reason she's in prison today... the "antics" at the original trial, probably shouldn't be considered anyhow.

Do I personally think Leslie will be released, given the present situation, and barring my fictitious scenario?
Probably not.

Do I persoanlly think Leslie should be released?
I really wouldn't want to be a parole board member... and put in the position, of deciding such things.
But, I will say this:
If they left Leslie out at 85... and, she lived to a ripe old age of 95... and enjoyed her last ten years... I wouldn't have a problem with that.
Assuming Manson keeps living endlessly, like bacteria (LOL)... that's what I see happening.
They'll wait until Leslie is a gazillion years old... completely decrepit... and they'll finally let her out.
I think it all really boils down, to how old Leslie lives.
If she lives long enough, she will be released.
And... the sooner Manson dies... the better her chances.

That's my two nickels.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

((((((((((BOB))))))))))

bobby said...

Thanks, I found him. Tim Miller Eguusearch out of Texas.

bobby said...

http://www.khou.com/news/Texas-EquuSearch-founder-Casey-Anthony-verdict-unbelievable-125093519.html

katie8753 said...

Lynyrd, as long as I've followed this case, I've been a staunch believer that these people should NEVER get out.

I've always thought that if they were released, it would be a big slap in the victims' families faces.

But if you compare it to this Anthony case, her not guilty verdict was a slap in the face to not only her dead daughter, and to justice in general, but basically it slapped ALL of our faces.

I guess what I'm thinking now is, they've released a potential killer in society again because 12 people didn't have the balls to convict.

So why not release 2 old women who have been imprisoned for over 40 years, and who aren't about to do ANYTHING to have to go back.

The only reason to keep Pat & Leslie in prison is to keep punishing them. Not because they're dangerous.

Like I said, I'm only talking about Pat & Leslie.

katie8753 said...

"Thanks, I found him. Tim Miller Eguusearch out of Texas."

Bobby, Tim is considering filing a civil lawsuit to recoup the monies spent looking for little Caylee, when all the while Casey knew she was dead.

I've heard the figure goes up to $500,000. He said that while searching for Caylee, they had to turn down other people who needed their help because they just didn't have the time.

He's angry because he feels that his organization was duped, which they were...by Casey Anthony.

Tim is only one of the parties seeking remedy by civil suit against Casey, her defense team and her parents.

I hope they are all successful and drain Casey of any money she might make.

bobby said...

Katie said, I hope they are all successful and drain Casey of any money she might make.

and her defense team.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/28469030/detail.html

8/9 baby said...

I have to say, i have avoided the anthony case. There has been so much relentless hype about it, and i am just a cynical aging Punk, deeply suspicious of the tv hype machine. One day it's Jonbenet, then it's Natalie Holloway, now it's little Caylee. People like Nancy Grace are vultures, in my view. They feed on these dead people by hyping up interest in certain cases they selectively focus on, because of their rich emotional viewing potential. Just like the old murder pulps you used to see on the newsstands. It makes me sick, so i avoid it as much as possible.

Our system of justice is interesting; if you look into it, it doesn't take long to realize that people are sometimes railroaded, and the press has always been a prominent part of that process. Then you may notice that justice is often applied quite unevenly. Specifically, women who are deemed responsible for the death of their child, even in an accident, get very harsh treatment, and are often denied the presumption of innocence in all but the most technical sense.. They are usually demonized. Unless the woman in question is rich, that is, like Patsy Ramsey.

It is a horrible thing when a child dies, under any circumstances. The murder of a child is especially horrible, unthinkable to most of us. But the awful fact is, a lot of children have died while the media has obsessed on one in particular. My brother's child was murdered last october, and the cops have not arrested anyone or closed the case. I don't see any public outcry, no one is demanding justice for my beautiful, loving nephew Paul. Just my family, hounding the detectives to give us some concrete answers.

As far as the Anthony case goes, it's clear what TV wants me to think about that. I will arrive at my own conclusions in my own time, when there is more information available and less hype. However, in comparison to the Manson case, the difference is very simple - the prosecutor did his job, he got the convictions. In the Anthony case, as far as i can see, they convicted her of being a slut and a shitty mother - and then tried to coast on that to a capitol murder conviction. It is the prosecutor's job to convict, not the jury's.

It affirms my faith in my fellow Americans that these people actually followed the idea of presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They were not ready to assume the worst about a woman, and condemn her to die because she f*cks a lot and neglects her kid. They wanted evidence. I have no idea who killed that little girl, but if the mother is guilty, i would say that the prosecution did a piss-poor job for the people.

8/9 baby said...

Ok, maybe "piss-poor" is overstating it. They failed to convict when "everyone" thought she was guilty. The prosecutor failed to do their job. If the evidemce was there they should have found it, and presented it convincingly. If it wasn't, they shouldn't have gone for capitol murder.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie said:
>>>>"The only reason to keep Pat & Leslie in prison is to keep punishing them. Not because they're dangerous".<<<<

Katie, that's what I just said.
I said:

***Let's keep in mind however:
Although, being unsafe in society, is the reason stated most frequently, to justify denial:
"Based on the totality of the record, [insert name], poses an unreasonable risk to society". LOL... being "safe in society"... is not... the only criteria for release.
Folks are also kept in prison as restitution for their crimes".
"I think Pat will likely be held in prison forever, based on the "restitution" element... even though, I highly doubt she's dangerous to anyone.***

You say "punishment"... I say "restitution"... it means the same thing.

I highly doubt, Leslie or Pat, have been truly "dangerous to society" in years.

Leslie and Pat are no more (or less), dangerous today, than they were on monday... the day before Casey's acquittal.

I'm not quite sure how Casey's verdict, (alla-sudden, LOL), ties-into, your realisation, that Leslie and Pat are not a threat to sociey ... but, I suppose it doesn't matter.
What's important... is that you agree with me... that (in reality) Les and Pat, remain incarcerated, primarily for restitution/punishment... as opposed to the (supposed) idea, that they are still a threat to soceity.
And... that "punsihment"... is likely heightened (in Leslie's case)... by association with... the "Manson Family" stigma.

Agreeing with me, is the most important component here. LOLOL

LMAO!
I'm totally just kidding with ya! hahaha

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

8/9 Baby:

I'm very sorry to hear about your nephew Paul.
Please accept my warmest condolences, on your loss.

Very Sincerely, Lynyrd

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LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

8/9 Baby:

I myself, missed the entire trial.
I watched the prosecution's closing arguments only.
I posted the link above.
It's a one hour, seven-part series.
If you watch that... you'll have the "cruxt" of the case.

My take... in an all-too-small nutshell, is that Casey likely murdered the baby, but due to the fact that so much time elapsed before the baby's completely decomposed body was discovered... the prosecution, just didn't have enough tools, to work with.
Based on the (somewhat limited) tools/evidence presented... the jury made the right decision... acquitting Casey of first degree murder.

However, based on the types of evidence, I did see in that footage... I do personally believe, the jury should have given her manslaughter
But no... I'm not a lawyer.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

((((((((((LYNN))))))))))

Lynn said:
>>>>"A litle too little too late, but 4 states are trying to put together Caylee's Law- that a parent or guardian must report their child missing in the first 24 hours after their disappearance".<<<<

I sincerely hope that law passes nationwide.
Aren't we supposed to be guardians for our children?
It's amazing that law isn't already in-place... or, simply "implied".
What kind of a society, do we live in???

Probably a question better left un-answered.

mattprokes said...

I agree with everything 8/9 baby said about the anthony case.
the public at large(along with human vultures like nancy grace)
would have convicted the woman
with NO evidence that she murdered
her daughter.
as i said on another thread i think shes guilty but you can't convict on feelings or what the
media tells you to think.
the evidence of murder by casey
anthony just was'nt there and i think its a shame that the juries
getting flayed alive by the media
for doing the right thing no matter
how wrong it feels.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

8/9 Baby said:
>>>>"piss-poor"<<<<

Please refrain from the use of vulgar language, on the blog.
Ahahahaha

I'm just bustin' ya! LOLOL

8/9 baby said...

Thank you Lynyrd. I truly appreciate your sympathy.

I can testify, as too many can, to how murder shatters a family. One of the bad things is there are so many rumors, so many stories of what happened, so many total strangers who are sure they know what happened. Assumptions are damgerous, and things are not always what they seem. Two total cliches that are totally true; i always try to apply them to my thinking. and especially in regards to the subject matter of this blog.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

8/9 Baby:

Fortunately, I've never lost anyone to murder... thank goodness.

I did however, lose a very close cousin in a car accident.
I was 15 years old, when it happened.
My cousin was killed, along with his newlywed wife, and their best friend.
All three of them died, on the spot.

He left a newborn baby behind... who was left orphaned.
My aunt took the child, but then died very young herself... when the young girl, was just 8 years old.
She was orphaned a second time.
The girl (now a woman), was never quite right emotionally, and has lots of problems even now, as an adult.

Really tragic, and sad stuff.

Sometimes life really throws you a tough one.

katie8753 said...

Frankly I'm floored & flabbergasted that anyone can defend this hag.

I'm SPEECHLESS! I'm WITHOUT SPEECH! (you wish huh? ha ha)

I've heard tapes of Casey's recorded voice, telling her friend that crying over Caylee was a "waste of time".

Casey yelling curse words at her mother because she wouldn't give her "Tony's" phone number, alluding to the fact that it was her mother's fault she's in prison, never once on the tape saying anything about being worried about Caylee.

Casey told her boyfriend Tony right before Caylee disappeared that "I can't be with you because I can't find anyone to keep Caylee..unless you want me to bring the snot-nose brat with me."

Casey not only didn't disclose the fact that her daughter was missing, she LIED about it for over 30 days. That impeded the investigation of this case.

That should be a felony charge right there. You want evidence? That's evidence.

8/9 Baby, I'm sorry to hear about your nephew. I do know that certain murders are sensationalized, and others are ignored. No, that's not fair. I don't know the details of your nephew's death, and that's none of my business, but I hope that case can be resolved so you can have some kind of peace.

But I certainly don't think that your brother intentionally mislead police about your nephew's whereabouts to gain time.

So how can you consider that behavior "normal"?

I think that jury just wanted to get back home, and "not guilty" was the easiest choice. I think they are all cowards, and it shows by the fact that most of them are hiding now. If they did nothing wrong...why hide?

The fact that this hag was so completely oblivious to the feelins of ANYONE else, including her own daughter, speaks volumes to me. I guess some people just aren't listening.

8/9 baby said...

LynyrdSkynyrdBamd said:
8/9 Baby said:
>>>>"piss-poor"<<<<

Please refrain from the use of vulgar language, on the blog.
Ahahahaha"

L/S you are a nut! In a good way. (tee hee)


"It's amazing that law isn't already in-place... or, simply "implied"."


Yes, this is surprising to me too. Its not already a crime to fail to report your baby missing? Strange, the gaps in our laws.



mattprokes said:
"as i said on another thread i think shes guilty but you can't convict on feelings or what the
media tells you to think.
the evidence of murder by casey
anthony just was'nt there and i think its a shame that the juries
getting flayed alive by the media
for doing the right thing no matter
how wrong it feels."


Exactly. It was the prosecutor who failed. She looks guilty, but thats not enough.

Of course, i think Jonbenet's parents were guilty too; not such a popular opinion. I lived in Boulder at that time, and it would get you "flayed alive" to come to such a conclusion. "everyone" knew they were innocent and could cite the "evidence" that proved it.

And so it goes...

katie8753 said...

8/9 Baby: I don't think JonBenet's parents were guilty...not because they're rich, in fact that would almost always make me suspicious in the first place...but because, as you say, the evidence wasn't there.

Now the brother is a different story, but as far as I know, they never found out who killed her.

If only these murdered children could speak.

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8/9 baby said...

Lynyrd,
Thank you for your compassion. It is a tragedy, what happened to your cousin. My condolences for your family's grief and loss. I often think that our greatest comfort can come from just being human, together - and we should be good to each other to show gratitude that we are not alone. Bleeding-heart idealism, i know, and from a "cynical old punk" at that! But i try to live that way, even on a blog. So, i am touched by your openness. Thanks... :)

katie8753 said...

Well today we find out that Cindy Anthony tried to call the jail and talk to Casey, and Casey refused the call.

She doesn't need mommy anymore. She's rid of her baggage and plans to have the bella vita she always wanted, so mommy can hit the pavement.

What a sweetheart! HA HA.

Lynn said...
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Lynn said...

I read today that Jery Springer has offered Casey one million dollars to appear on his show....

8/9 baby said...

Now for something completely different:
Speaking of vulgar, and on a much lighter note, please admire my blog "icon" or whatever you call it.
Super Sexy Secret Agent Lana Kane, from the TV show "Archer" on FX. She is one badass lady. (And i love the name.)

Yeah, i'm being goofy,, but i'm still new to this blogging thing, and i was tickled to find this pic. It's fun, better than a costume party!

btw, "archer" is a great show, but be warned, it is rude, crude, politically incorrect, and offensive to old ladies. It is also smart and hilarious, perfect for gen-x people like me. the best spy spoof since "get smart". Another show I loved...

Ok, i'm done goofin'. :)

Lynn said...

This just in:

Jerry Springer $1Million Offer To Casey Anthony Dead
Created 07/08/2011 - 2:40pm

By Radar Staff

A $1 million offer for Casey Anthony and her family to appear on the Jerry Springer Show is now dead after it sparked outrage, Star magazine and RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively.

The offer was made Friday morning by telephone to Casey’s attorney Jose Baez by Al Taylor, a freelance producer who has done work for the Springer show.
PHOTOS: Casey Anthony In Court For Sentencing

Taylor also made a previous offer to Casey several years ago to appear on the Springer show. On Friday, after getting the green light from a highly placed show executive Taylor subsequently made the offer to Baez.

The offer threw Springer’s show into turmoil though as not all execs were aware it had been made. A show insider told RadarOnline.com that he was not aware of the Springer show making a financial offer to Baez, but when asked if there would be interest in interviewing Casey, said: “Any news organization right now would be interested in speaking with her. However, we would not discuss any potential guests.”

“I spoke to someone very high up and they knew I made the offer for them,” Taylor told RadarOnline.com. “The Springer show got immediate backlash though and decided they didn’t want any part of it anymore. But there is another show interested and they are about to make an offer in writing to Baez.”

When contacted by RadarOnline.com Jose Baez’s office had “no comment” regarding the offer.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

8/9 Baby said:
>>>>"on a much lighter note, please admire my blog "icon" or whatever you call it".<<<<

Wow... sure sign of a "newbie".
We've really gotta work on your blog slang. LOL
That's an "avatar", my dear.
: )

BTW... this is a serious research setting.
Continued goofin' will get you bounced. LOLOL
(Just bustin' ya again! LOL).

Oops...
BTW = by the way.
I don't wanna assume anything, at this point. Ahahaha

: ) = a sideways smile
(don't laugh... folks have actually asked in the past).

LOL = laughing out loud... or lots of laughs

LMAO = laughing my as off

We'll continue as we go. LOL

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Wow Lynn...

Sorry to hear about your boyfriend, and friend's daughter.

I can definitely see Casey on Springer.
I actually mentioned that earlier.

katie8753 said...

8/9 Baby, I love your new avatar. I forgot to mention that.

Yeah...Casey on the Springer Show. HA HA.

I would love to see someone bounce her off the wall. Hoo hoo!!

8/9 baby said...

katie8753 said:
"If only these murdered children could speak."

Amen to that, katie. I have often wondered what Jonbenet could tell us about the people around her. Boulder, for all its liberal granola reputation, is a wealthy and shallow college town where appearances define you to the community more than anything. The ramseys lived in a nice house in the nicest neighborhood of that wealthy town. I was a group and individual therapist at the time, and heard a whole lot about what goes on inside those "nice" homes. So i always wondered what the whole story was.
I also heard so many people in so many places who just refused to allow for the possibility that they could have done it, not because of evidence but because "they just don't seem like the kind of people who would kill their child. " That's a direct quote of more than one person. When I asked what such a person would look like, no one could say for sure. That is the thing about us humans: we know that appearances can be deceiving, but we still believe that we can tell something like that about a person. We know how much we "edit" our own family lives for the public, but assume that the opinions we have of others are based on reality. Kids are notorious for telling the embarassing truth about families, until they are trained to keep the family secrets. There is no way to know the true picture unless you were there, and the only one who was there who can be expected to tell the whole truth is the innocent child who died. We are left with so many unanswered questions.


Lynn:
I remember the hype around the Station fire very well. It almost seemed like the press was trying to "feed" the pain and outrage. Picking at wounds only a day or two old, with stories focusing on controversy. Throwing blame and accusations around carelessly, and the people who died became a backdrop for chatter. Sickening.
I am sorry to hear you have lost people you love to murder, Lynn. My sympathies to you and your family.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I wanna see Casey AND Katie, on the Springer show!
Ahahahahahaha

Oh, that's just good stuff.

Katie would open a can of "Whoop Ass"! hahaha

8/9 baby said...

Thanks for the tutorial, L/S. Now i can blog with confidence! :)
My ""avatar"" is one tough sexy woman. She'll whoop your behind, and leave you begging for more. Like me! LOLOL


As for springer; he's still on TV?! Does he even have a million dollars? Or would it be some back-end revenue from the DVDs? I mean if you are going to pimp a dead baby case, you've got to go the whole nine yards, right?

Or maybe he'll bring her on so his audience can hate on her on behalf of the public. Lots of people would tune in for that! Ad revenue! Publicity! Think of the possibilities!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

A fresh can of "Texas Whoop Ass"! hahaha

Casey better wear her hair up, on that show! LOL

Katie will snatch that bitch bald!
ROFLMFAO!

mattprokes said...

i remember the station fire well i worked about a mile up the road and i remember the sky all lit up with police and fire engine lights.

i saw dave davies from the kinks there twice and the dead kennedys also. great place to see a show but why anyone would set off pyro in that closet is beyond me.

when i was a kid we'd go there to get pizza it was an italian
resturant called brillo brothers
in the 70s.

it was so strange to get home from work(2nd shift)to see cnn reporting from the intersection
i had driven through ten minutes before.

last time i drove past it was a bunch of rubble behind a chain link fence,you'd figure they'd put some kind of memorial there.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

8/9 Baby said:
>>>>"She'll whoop your behind, and leave you begging for more. Like me! LOLOL"<<<<

Wow.
Now, I'm really intrigued by the new blogger! LOLOL

I once threatened to spank Katie over my knee (when she was "acting-up")... but... we decided we'd both probably enjoy it too much.
AHahahaha

: )

katie8753 said...

>>>Lynyrd said: A fresh can of "Texas Whoop Ass"! hahaha

Casey better wear her hair up, on that show! LOL

Katie will snatch that bitch bald!
ROFLMFAO!>>>

HA HA HA HA HA!!

I'd clothesline that bitch!!

My big finale would be a mega-pile-driver, followed by a "half nelson", a titty-twister, and full-on "Moe Howard" slap on the forehead. HA HA.

katie8753 said...
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katie8753 said...

Sorry that comment got posted twice. :)

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Matt said:
>>>>"last time i drove past it was a bunch of rubble behind a chain link fence,you'd figure they'd put some kind of memorial there".<<<<

That was a horrible tragedy.. and yes... they should definitely have something more appropriate and fitting, at the site.

But, you know Rhode Island Matt.
A chain link fence is all the victims are ever gonna get... barring a private collection.

katie8753 said...

>>>Lynyrd said: I once threatened to spank Katie over my knee (when she was "acting-up")... but... we decided we'd both probably enjoy it too much.
AHahahaha>>>

Acting up? I never act up.....


HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

katie8753 said...

>>>Baby 8/9 said: I was a group and individual therapist at the time, and heard a whole lot about what goes on inside those "nice" homes.>>>

I figured you were in the mental health field from your comments.

That's so true. You can never be sure what's going on in ANY home unless you spend time there, AND the people aren't putting on a show.

I'm not a trained mental health professional, but I can tell by Casey' body language that she's deceitful and insincere.

On sentencing day, for example, she was all smiles, flirting with Baez, all chatty cathy, but when the judge stuck a hole in her balloon, you could tell by her eyes that if looks could kill, that judge woulda been dead.

She thought she was getting out that day. It didn't happen.

She's a damn good liar, but a terrible actress.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie, remember Steve Urkel?

"Did I do that?"

: )

katie8753 said...

I'm not sure what fire you guys are talking about???

katie8753 said...

>>>Lynyrd said: Katie, remember Steve Urkel?

"Did I do that?"

: )>>>

YEAH! Funny guy. LOL.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
The_Station_nightclub_fire

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

February 2003.

katie8753 said...

Wow that was quite a fire. Interesting that people thought at first it was part of the show.

8/9 baby said...

Katie:
no doubt she looks like the most likely culprit, from the little bit of covrage i've seen. But i am skeptical of the information out there, because i distrust the media. I used to work in mental health, now i am an artist and writer, and i occasionally work in publishing and Theatre, among other things. My work is based on the fact that It is so easy to manipulate perception, and when i see images of Casey, i see editorial choices made by people with a story to sell. I see talking heads using loaded words to imply an "obvious" conclusion. I wonder if i am being told the whole story. I don't dismiss the possibility that she is guilty.

I would not defend the woman, because i don't really care about her at all - one way or the other. But i care a lot about our society and our justice system, and the way that media spin can absolutely contaminate otherwise healthy processes in both. I would like to know the truth about the Anthony case. I started off assuming she killed her child, perhaps through negligence, and then covered it up. But the more the hype accelerated, and i heard such intense vitriol in the comments about the case, the more important it became to me to remain neutral and skeptical.

I thought more information would come out during the trial, but nothing I saw in the papers indicated any big pieces of evidence from the prosecution. Some nonsense about tape and stickers, and chloroform in the trunk that may have been the cause of death, or may have been a byproduct of decomposition. There are a lot of inexplicable things she did, and her parents too, after the child "went missing". There are a lot of circumstances that suggest guilt. But the prosecution failed to put it together in an effective way. Then, they over-reached in the charges they filed.

With all the overturned convictions each year in this country, no jury of our fellow citizens should be asked to condemn someone to death simply because "it's obvious" they did it. The prosecutor failed in this case, he failed the jury by not giving them what they needed to convict according to the court's instructions. If casey is guilty, then he failed in not getting a conviction of a child murderer. I said it before; it is the prosecution's job to convict, not the jury's.

katie8753 said...

8/9 Baby, I haven't relied on the media for information on this case. I've watched the trial every day, heard the expert witness testimony, family testimony, friends of Casey testimony, etc. I have listened to the actual phone calls that Casey has been involved in while in the jail (those are always recorded) and heard her with my own ears say ugly things to family & friends, and express NO remorse for her daughter, at any time, on these phone conversations.

As smart as she's supposed to be, I guess she didn't know they were being recorded, even though she was warned of it beforehand.

I have to admit that I'm disappointed in the prosecution, because their BIGGEST piece of evidence in this case is the fact that Casey Anthony LIED for 31 days after her daughter disappeared about where she was.

She hampered a police investigation, and also allowed the body to decompose until it was only skeletal remains, which, as you probably know, with skeletal remains, you can't determine cause or time of death.

That evidence shows a cunning, evil, sociopathic bitch, capable of killing her child and putting it aside like stepping on a bug.

Her lies were according to who she was talking to. To her friends who asked where Caylee was, it was "oh she's at the beach, at the theme park, with my parents, etc.".

To her parents, it was "oh, I've met this new man and he's got a daughter Caylee's age and they're having a good time...Oh we're going to stay a little longer because Caylee is having such a good time....Oh, Caylee is with the nanny (ficticious person)....oh the nanny's been in an accident, can't come home yet".....etc., etc.

I guess my whole point is this: Casey Anthony INTENTIONALLY diverted police from looking for a dead girl, knowing that she was dead.

If that isn't enough evidence, I don't know what is. The only problem is the prosecutor went for murder one so he could get death, when he should have gone for lying and impeding a police investigation, WHICH RESULTED in the body decomposing, thereby the DA didn't have physical evidence.

katie8753 said...

Since the body had decomposed until skeletal, and time and cause of death was uncertain, that, according to Juror #3, is what they had a problem with.

I'm not really sure that the jury understood "reasonable doubt".

There was tons of reasonable doubt if you examine Casey's actions.

No....there were no eye witnesses that saw Casey kill Caylee.

But in almost EVERY murder investigation, there are no eye witnesses. That's why you have to look at the evidence, whether actual or circumstancial.

Circumstantial evidence can convict just as fast. All it takes is common sense, and asking yourself..."what would a sane or prudent person do in this situation?"

Not what Casey did.

And I'll tell you, if I had been on that jury, Casey would never get out, because we would be in the deliberation room for the rest of our lives!!! HA HA.

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bobby said...

8/9 said, My work is based on the fact that It is so easy to manipulate perception,Some nonsense about tape and stickers.

Three pieces in layers of duct tape over the childs mouth & nose. I seen enough of the trial video & very little of Nancy Grace etc. to know no one fooled me. Jury should have got her with the manslaughter charge.

katie8753 said...

And let me make this clear, I don't think I did.

Casey didn't just lie about where Caylee was for 31 days.

She lied about where she and Caylee "were" for 31 days, but when she finally got busted and couldn't produce Caylee, then she changed the story to "oh she was kidnapped by the (ficticious) Nanny".

Oh she then went into great detail on this lie. She and Caylee were accosted by gun wielding thugs, along with the "Nanny", and they forcibly took her. Of course, conveniently, this took place after she was busted with no more lies about where Caylee was.

This continued until AUGUST 2008, when little Caylee's body was found.

THEN...the story changed to "oh Caylee drowned in the pool, and my Dad got rid of the body".

Then it was "My Dad and brother molested me".

No...let me ask anyone within earshot. DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE?????

The answer is no. The only conclusion that I can come up with is that Casey had just run out of lies and excuses.

She was the last person seen with Caylee alive.

Do that math. 2+2=4.

katie8753 said...

I maintain, based on the testimony and taped phone calls, along with the FACTS of this case that Casey Marie Anthony lied every step of the way, that she is GUILTY as charged.

She killed her little girl, and now she's getting away with it.

Oh, BTW, it's been reported (I'll check into validity) that yesterday, during a thunderstorm, lightning hit the tree that Caylee's remains were placed under, and the bark flew out on the street.

I guess God is pissed!! HA HA.

katie8753 said...

Lynn...HI!

Sorry I wasn't ignoring you, I was just trying to get my thoughts out.

I'm sorry for your loss and your trouble moving. I can't imagine the horror of a fire that big.

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katie8753 said...

>>>Bobby said: Three pieces in layers of duct tape over the childs mouth & nose. I seen enough of the trial video & very little of Nancy Grace etc. to know no one fooled me. Jury should have got her with the manslaughter charge.>>>

Bobby I haven't watched Nancy Grace either. I don't dislike her, but I know her style, and I'm not interested in her riling me up more. HA HA.

There were 3 pieces of duct tape over the skull. The duct tape was holding the mandible to the skull. Otherwise, the mandible would have dropped off the skull, because of decomposition of the dissolvable skin material.

They had no DNA evidence on the duct tape. Which makes sense. That body had been lying there for at least 6 months. There had been rain storms and other weather that would erode that.

There was chloroform in the trunk of the car, but depending on the "expert" you listened to (you can find anybody to say anything) it was in large amounts or almost minimal.

I have to say that a lot of the air tests were made after the trunk lid was up, and chloroform, like gasoline, dissapates in the air.

Sooo....like I said, if the body had been found earlier, it would have been easier to find DNA, etc.

But it wasn't. Thanks to lying bitch Casey.

8/69 Baby: Being a health care professional, you certainly understand the mindset of a sociopath.

In your considerate opinion...is Casey Anthony a Sociopath? Knowing that she never considered consequences, always thought lies would get her through, always having the opinion that friends and family are expendable, and having obviously NO REMORSE for the passing of her daugher???

Please...let me know your thoughts. And don't listen to the media...listen to testimony.

katie8753 said...

OK thanks Lynn!!

Have a great weekend!!

katie8753 said...

I am fully aware that there are 1000's of cases of missing children every year, some turn up found, some turn up murdered.

This media case about Caylee Anthony is by no means, the end all-be all case.

Every human life is important. I hope I haven't diminished anyone else's personal trauma about missing children.

I've not experienced that myself, but I know it's a major problem in the US. Ergo...the Amber Alert.

Please, please, don't take my comments as trying to minimalize your plights.

I'm just honing in on this case, because I've been following it for 3 years now, and I have to say, I've always considered Casey guilty, not because of the media, but because of the facts.

katie8753 said...

There are sooo many children who are missing...either taken by a stranger, or by a family member.

Either way, it's traumatic for the family.

I just hope, out of this horrific case, that the new "Casey Law" will make it a felony offense to hide the fact that a child is missing.

I hope that this law prevents not only the death of a child, but the impedence of justice because of evidence gathered at a crime scene.

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