Thursday, July 30, 2020

I just got a "heads up" from Venus.  The long awaited documentary about Jay Sebring will be released September 22, 2020.  Here's a preview!

Thanks Venus!!


41 comments:

katie8753 said...

I've been watching The Beverly Hillbillies reruns, and of course, Sharon Tate is on there. I wonder how Jay felt about her doing that show.

I personally think Martin Ransohoff should have put her on TV shows instead of those stupid movies. She would have become popular much faster.

sunset77 said...

I think it took me about 3 years of YouTube videos just to figure out which one Sharon Tate was on "The Beverly Hillbillies". I've seen every episode of the show probably 10 times. They covered up Sharon Tate's blonde hair with a brunette wig. I guess that's the look the wanted for a secretary, but it made her nearly unrecognizable (at least to me).

I suspect she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I suspect Manson sent his followers to kill the people at the main house (Terry Melcher's old house) to send a message to Melcher. I doubt if Manson even knew who was living there at the time, I'm nearly certain Watson didn't. They probably weren't even aware who those people were. They lived at Spahn Ranch, spent their time doing drugs, scrounging through dumpsters for food, and other bizarre things, I doubt they watched much TV. The murderers probably had no idea who was in that house that night. It seems to me some of the victims went to a restaurant earlier, they could have stayed later at the restaurant, or went somewhere else after, and not even been there that night.

Apparently, Watson was told to kill the people in the "main house" (and I suspect only the main house) simply because that's what they did. They didn't kill Garretson, I don't think they even looked very hard for anyone else. (They didn't kill the dogs either). Later, on the way back to Spahn, when they were washing of the blood and had a conflict with the home owner, they didn't kill that guy and his wife either.

It's my understanding Watson is still in prison to this day. After all he's probably been through over the decades, I doubt if he even remembers that night, although he might remember it perfectly. Considering he was probably on drugs, plus he's a liar, and memories fade over time, it's unlikely he will ever tell much more than he already had.

beauders said...

Hey Katie are these hurricanes going to affect your part of Texas? What is closest big city too you? I hope Ridge stays with Shauna a while I hate Brooke.

katie8753 said...

Hey Beauders! The only thing we're getting from these hurricanes is heat and humidity. We're not even getting a drop of rain. We're about 180 miles southwest of Houston. I think it mostly hit Louisiana and just the eastern edge of Texas and it's heading northeast. But I shouldn't complain. At least we won't have power outages or storm damage.

I hate Brooke too. Ridge will probably use Shauna to get back at Brooke, at least for a while. This soap has got to be written by women. All the men on that show are stupid. LOL.

beauders said...

Glad to hear your ok Katie. We are still having protests every night. It's been like a hundred plus days, many of the protests declared riots. Portland is unique at one point protesters closed down I-5 the major interstate for the west coast, during rush hour because Barbara Bush was in town. I don't think she even spent the night, just a quick drop in. After that politicians started calling Portland, Little Beirut.

katie8753 said...

I've been watching that on the news Beauders. It looks like they've burned the whole town down. Isn't anyone in charge anymore? I guess just stay home and stay safe until all this blows over.

beauders said...

We are on our 100 day of protesting and riots. We also had a murder during the protest over last weekend, a conservative pro Trump counter protester was shot downtown, so the police tracked the murderer down and shot and killed him too. I was hoping the agitators would move on to Wisconsin after the shooting there, I guess we will see. The mayor and the govenor are doing what they can but now the protesters are rioting outside the mayors condominium, demanding he resign.

beauders said...

There is an irony with what's going on in Portland, Portland is a very white city. Salt Lake City has more black citizens and the Mormon's didn't allow blacks in their faith until the 1970's. Gladys Knight is the only black Mormon that I know of. Oregon and the rest of the Northwest was founded to be a white mans/women paradise. During WWII blacks came here to work on the ships. Most went home after the war because the people here were racist. The blacks who stayed were allowed to live in an area called VanPort. At some point VanPort flooded and the people were left to be homeless. Most of those people left but those that remained migrated to North and Northeast Portland. Now the black population have been moved out of their area's as their neighborhoods have been gentrified and white yuppies from California live there because no Oregonian white or black can afford to live there. Then of course there is what happened to the Natives of this area---they were killed or put on reservations. Not a pretty picture.

beauders said...

When Oregon was founded as a state no blacks were allowed within it's borders. So we have a very bad racial history. Of course I'm more worried about wild fires, as I am an animal lover and what is coming this fall and winter with Covid-19. They are projecting 410,000 deaths by New Years.

katie8753 said...

Beauders I heard on the news that the mayor of Portland is going to move since the protestors are outside his condo. Why doesn't he just stop all of that nonsense instead of moving? That's gotta be hurting business owners in that area. Not to mention people getting killed.

beauders said...

I don't think he can stop the protests, the police are overwhelmed. I think he is moving for his neighbors and the businesses in the area. That part of Portland is high rent and very yuppie.

katie8753 said...

Beauders, he's the mayor of the city. He can stop the protests. He can call in the state police. Stop and think about it. He doesn't want to stop it. You might want to elect another mayor next time. This guy isn't thinking about safety and security for Portland citizens. Which makes me sad.

You and your brother should move to Texas!

Dilligaf said...

Katie, I read an article last week that at least one sheriff in Oregon was going to refuse to send some of his deputies to assist in Portland as he did not want them to face increased chances of harm by protestors. This kind of explains how out of control this has become. The Portland Mayor, and Oregon Governor, have let this monster grow too big, and is no longer controllable. To give in and ask for federal assistance would be disastrous politically for them. As such, Oregonians pay the price of political foolishness...

katie8753 said...

Dill I can't believe this is happening in this country. I've never seen anything like it. Plus I think the police's hands are kind of tied because they might get accused of violence if anybody gets hurt and they could end up in jail.

One thing I'm sure of is that if these people can get away with this violence and destruction they will keep doing it because there isn't a deterrent. It's turned into a vicious circle.

Dilligaf said...

More than a vicious circle, it has turned into more of a political circle jerk. We are seeing the radical domestic terrorists turning on the same politicians that have allowed them to have free reign. You cannot appease terrorists and expect them to simply stop what they are doing. I believe the most of America is going to turn to conservatives as the grownups in the room, and ask that they clean his mess up. And that, is what Democrats fear most. However, they cannot stop themselves from making the problem worse.

beauders said...

It's hard Katie because I believe in our right to protest, and I bet you do too. I believe that most of the trouble makers are outside agitators. Both our mayor and governor agree with the protesters. The mayor actually went to protests when the Feds were in town. I hate the violence, looting, and destruction and I have been to many protests and nothing like this has happened at least here. Of more concern, at least to me, Oregon is on fire. The citizens of the county I live in have been told be to ready to evacuate. I don't think the fires will affect us, but I hate summer because of the fires. I hate what happens to the animals. I have lived through a house fire and only lost stuff, which is traumatic enough, but no one died or was injured. What you seen on the news coming out of California is also happening in Oregon and Washington State. An entire town in Washington State has been lost. We had a windstorm last night which have amplified the wildfires. The sky is orange and my car is covered in ash. My sister would love it,if all of us moved to Texas but I think I have too big of a mouth and would get myself in trouble.

Dilligaf said...

Where I am in California, we are battling the Creek fire which is now over 150,000 acres with zero containment. I have a brother and a nephew that have both lost their homes to fire, and there is only the terrain that can slow down the fire. It looks like total containment will not happen until mid-October. The skies are grey with smoke, air quality is unhealthy. The Golden State is now the Grey State.

Hope you remaIn safe, Beauders. I will be passing through Bend at the end of the month on my way to Montana, was looking forward to a change of scenery....

katie8753 said...

Dill and Beauders, that's gotta be scary!! My prayers for both of you that you and your property will stay safe!!

beauders said...

500 square miles in Oregon are on fire but we are big state with almost 960,000 square miles. The town of Manden in Washington State is 80% gone. The Govenor has interrupted The Bold & The Beautiful to say there will be significant loss of life. To get to my house the fire would have to jump a large river so I think we are safe.

beauders said...

Got that wrong Oregon has 96,000 square miles. I think what I wrote above is bigger than the whole country. Oops.

katie8753 said...

Yeah Beauders, I was wondering why Oregon was suddenly bigger than Texas. LOL.

I've heard that spraying water on your house helps. Don't know if that's true. What a mess!! Y'all stay safe and hopefully they'll get those fires put out soon!

Beauders, check this out:

https://boards.soapcentral.com/forum/daytime-drama-series-soap-operas/the-bold-and-the-beautiful?5-The-Bold-and-the-Beautiful=

Hugs!!!!

Roxxie Sleaze said...

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beauders said...

Is Texas even that big?

katie8753 said...

According to "the internet", Texas is 268,581 square miles. The 2nd largest state in the U.S. Alaska has us beat with 663,267 square miles.

Texas is a big state. It takes a whole day driving from one point in Texas to another point, still in Texas. Most people can drive 4 or 5 hours and be in another state. Or even be 2 states over. LOL.

katie8753 said...

Roxxie, what does "H" mean?

Dilligaf said...

Earlier this year, it took me over 9 hours just driving from El Paso to Waco. I was amazed how long that drive took, and I still had several hours to go, just to cut over to Oklahoma. Biggest damn state I ever saw...

beauders said...

All hell is probably going to happen in Portland this weekend. The protesters took a ten day break because of the wildfires (we lost 2000 homes to the fires) but things are now back to what is now 'normal.' We have three groups holding rallies in Portland. The Proud Boys are in town (from Florida), a white supremist radical right group that are holding a rally. Antifa is also holding a rally, and then there is a Black Lives Matter rally as well. All this happening today. The State Police are taking over from the Portland Police who need the help. I am a native Oregonian, even though I spent eight years in Half Moon Bay, California, and resent these people coming to my hometown and causing all this violence and destruction. If Florida likes groups like the Proud Boys, fine stay there we don't want you here. These guys from Florida are bringing weapons. The Black Lives Matter folks have been throwing Molotav Cocktails at the police probably instigated by people not from Oregon, again stay at home if you want to do things like this, we want peaceful protesters not thugs. Ruin your own cities Portland has paid enough.

katie8753 said...

Beauders, I hope you're okay! I hope hugs are enough!

katie8753 said...

Well crickets. I wonder if Portland is still standing. Maybe the "people in charge" will get rid of looters and rioters. You'd think that the "people in charge" would protect the Oregonians. If they aren't, the Oregonians need to vote other folks in.

Beauders I hope you're okay.

beauders said...

I'm fine Katie. Portland is still standing and some fires are still burning. Just been busy.

katie8753 said...

Thanks Beauders! One less person I have to worry about! :)

beauders said...

Well Portland took ten days off protesting because of the wild fires, but they are back. Sunday in honor of native populations, white protesters, many not from Portland pulled down a statue of Abraham Lincoln, and I believe Thomas Jefferson. They also broke the windows out of the Oregon Historical Society and ransacked the building. I have no problems with peaceful protesting, but I do not like violence and and destruction. Katie I remember you have some native blood in you, how do you feel about this destruction for native people?

beauders said...

PS I think all the terrible things that were/are done to Native people should be taught in schools and the horrible things they go through in the US today, should be fixed. A great book I read that goes into the way the Natives were really treated as the "west was won," is by Caroline Fraser and is titled "Prairie Fires: The American Dreams of Laura Ingalls Wilder." Most people my age watched and read the tv program/books by/about Laura Ingalls Wilder and that was not reality. This book tells the truth. Another book I'm reading is by Laurie Garrett, I Heard The Sirens Scream: How Americans Responded To 9/11 And The Anthrax Attacks." Laurie Garrett is professional science writer and it was through her books that I learned about virus's, bacterial infections, and all the nasty bugs out there. She lived very close to Ground Zero and the book is about her experiences being in New York City during that tragedy. The book is part her memoirs of that time and then the science of the event. I would recommend both books whole heartedly. Another book I'm reading, but that is taking a long time is by a woman named Charity Lee, I'm sure you heard of her Katie, since she is a Texan. The book is about her psychopathic teenage son murdering her four year old daughter. This is a great book, the writer is a bit on the crazy side, but who wouldn't be in her possession. It is titled "How Now Butterfly: A Memoir of Murder, Survival, And Transformation." I am reading it slowly because it is so damn sad. Other books to read in the age of Covid is Stephen King, "The Stand," which about a hell of a plague and Anne Rice's "The Witching Hour," which is modern literature, once you get by the sex parts in the beginning.

sunset77 said...

There's a story on Yahoo right now that Poland is going to honor the couple that hid Roman Polanski during the Holocaust. I think I read that he hid under the stair of his house when the Nazi's came looking for Jews when he was 6 years old.

"Israel will on Thursday honour the Polish couple who hid Oscar-winning director Roman Polanski from the Nazis as a child, the Holocaust memorial Yad Vashem said.

The late Stefania and Jan Buchala will receive the Yad Vashem title of "Righteous Among the Nations" for those who helped save Jews during World War II.

"Despite their very difficult economic situation, the couple agreed to take in the Jewish boy as their own son, and keep him safe," Yad Vashem said.

Their grandson will accept the medal at the ceremony in southern Poland that has been kept under wraps for security reasons and which local media say Polanski himself could attend.

The controversial film director was just six years old when Nazi Germany invaded Poland in 1939, triggering the war and forcing the family into the Krakow Ghetto.

After his father smuggled him out through the barbed wire and got friends to take him in, Polanski was shuffled around, then sent to the Buchalas.

Devout Catholic peasants with three small children, they gave him shelter for nearly two years in the village of Wysoka, asking for nothing in return.

The filmmaker lives in France, as he is persona non grata in Hollywood and cannot return to the United States for fear of arrest.

Polanski pleaded guilty to unlawful sex with a minor in California in 1977, in a plea deal after he was accused of raping a 13-year-old girl. He fled the US before sentencing.

The director of Yad Vashem's Righteous Among the Nations department, Joel Zisenwine, said "the award is given to the rescuers, not the survivor".

"It is about what they did in real time, risking their lives to save a nine-year-old child," he told AFP.

"Nobody of course has any way of knowing what happens to people as adults. It has nothing to do with that."

Polanski has certainly had a busy life. I think his mother died in Auschwitz. If you want to see what I consider the best documentary about what was probably the worst prison in human history, it's posted on YouTube--Kitty Return to Auschwitz

katie8753 said...

Beauders, I don't believe in destruction of property for ANY race. That's not protesting. That's rioting. And the perps should be punished. Why would they tear down a statue of Lincoln? What did he do? I don't get these people.



katie8753 said...

The people who own these businesses that are being destroyed are losing their life long dreams. Even if they have insurance, they have to pay a deductible. And their insurance may cancel their policy if they're in a high crime area.

Who is cleaning up all of this mess? This isn't fair!

beauders said...

Katie, I think they are angry with Lincoln, etc. because he believed in westward expansion. I was wrong about the other statue it was of Teddy Roosevelt on a horse. They also tore down an statue of an elk, and I don't know what the elk did. Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were tore down during the summer. Downtown Portland is a war zone and the rioters just being in Portland are destroying all the businesses there. It is very sad we have had rioting for over 130 days. The meaning of the protests are lost in all of this. Portland is a beautiful city as is the state of Oregon and I an afraid that tourists are going to be scared to come here. I spent most of my life in a small business, making salt water taffy. The candy business is totally dependent on tourism. Luckily, because of covid most Oregonians did not work for three months thus people did not travel far this summer. They went to the Oregon coast, which is where most of the candy is sold. Oregon is also beautiful. An hour west from Portland you are at an ocean, one hour east your at Mount Hood. Mount Hood has a glacier on it so your can ski and snowboard year round. There are rivers here clean enough people can swim in them and you can eat the fish caught if fishing is your thing. Two hours east of Portland is desert. Please come and visit, there is so much to do here. Also Portland has a great bookstore called Powell's. It is a four story city block of used and new books. It is a wonderful business who is hurting really bad. Also remember Mount Saint Helen's the volcano that blew her top off in 1980. Well she's 45 minutes from Portland. The winters are mild but we have a lot of rain. The summers get hot but we have no humidity. I won't continue other than to say please don't be afraid to come here.

katie8753 said...

Beauders I think they're just tearing up stuff because they're violent and they like tearing stuff up. And unfortunately in certain states, nobody is doing anything about it, so they just keep doing it.

And you're right, this violence has also caused a lot of economic harm because of tourism. A lot of states and individuals within those states depend on tourism to make a living. Not only have people lost their jobs because of the shut-down, many have also lost income because nobody is interested in going to certain places that they feel aren't safe.

I'm sure Oregon is beautiful. I've been to California and I know how pretty it is there, but I've never been north of there. I have a nephew in Seattle and I know he loves it there.

katie8753 said...

Sunset I think that anyone who helped the Jews in the Holocaust should be recognized. Although I don't think much of Polanski.

beauders said...

Yes anyone who helped the Jews during the Holocaust is a true hero. They risked their lives and those of their families. It would have been horrible to be killed by those monsters but what they would do to you before they killed you would be horrible. Remember Catherine Share's birth parents committed suicide instead of being taken by the Nazi's. Her parent's were members of the French Resistance fighting the Nazi's. I wonder what they would think of their daughter's life? I also wonder how the suicides of her birth parents and adoptive mother affected her?

Dilligaf said...

Here’s my problem with Catherine Share. Sure, she starred in a soft core porn movie. Sure, she was complicit in an on-going criminal organization known as the Manson Family. Sure, she participated in trying to attempted murder, and witness tampering. So she was involved in an armed robbery and spent five years in prison. I mean who amongst us hasn’t been involved in such things. Mail fraud? Who hasn’t?

That she has been born again is fine with me, I am happy for her. But she works very hard trying to distance herself from her past, blaming it on others, never taking responsibility for her own acts. She was a self-serving poor excuse of a person then, she hasn’t really changed much now.