Thursday, January 3, 2019

BOBBY BEAUSOLIEL GRANTED PAROLE









Lynyrd Weighs-in:

I found a document published by the California Department of Corrections (2011) which gives a statistical breakdown of actual prison time served by inmates.

The statistics are broken-down by specific crime... i.e., 1st degree murder, manslaughter, rape, etc.

In short, it states the mean/median time served by an inmate (for a specific crime) before they are first paroled.

According to the document, inmates convicted of first degree murder (pre 11-8-78) serve an average of 408 months in California, before they are released on parole.

408 months = 34 years

Extrapolate what you will from those figures, but statistics are hard to dispute.

Post 11-8-78, the average first degree murderer serves 344 months in California, which translates to 28.5 years.

I'm not a fan of Bobby, and personally, I'd have no problem seeing him die in jail.
He has a smug attitude, which I find repelling.

However, I'm also a firm believer that punishment should be carried-out in a consistent manner. People perpetrating similar crimes, should serve similar sentences.

If we feel that our justice system is being too lenient on crime (in general), we should enact laws which are tougher (across the board) on EVERYONE.

I think it's pretty safe to conclude (at this point) that being associated with "the Manson Family" (and the notoriety that entails), creates obstacles for Bobby, Bruce and Leslie (in terms of parole) that the average (unknown) inmate will never know.

Common sense and statistical data seem to support that conclusion.

I guess, how one feels about this apparent "double standard" situation, depends largely upon one's personal feelings towards Bobby, versus their feelings regarding consistency in punishment.

At any rate, here's the PDF document:

https://cdcr.ca.gov/Reports_Research/Offender_Information_Services_Branch/Annual/TIME6/TIME6d2010.pdf

As I said previously, extrapolate what you will...

Peace!

Yours Truly,

Lynyrd Skynyrd

46 comments:

katie8753 said...

I doubt if he will get out. But California has turned so lib-tard. Maybe he will.

Maybe he can live next door to Nancy Pe-low-ski! LOL.

katie8753 said...

Bobby cold-bloodedly killed Gary Hinman, and later blamed it on Charlie, saying he told him to do that.

I think Bobby is lying. I think Bobby came up with that on his own, or maybe because Tex said Charlie told him to kill.

Either way, Bobby is a liar.

katie8753 said...

Thanks Kimchi!

grimtraveller said...

katie8753 said...

Bobby cold-bloodedly killed Gary Hinman, and later blamed it on Charlie, saying he told him to do that.

I think Bobby is lying. I think Bobby came up with that on his own, or maybe because Tex said Charlie told him to kill


While it is certainly true that Bobby has been lying and caught in lies since even before the Tate-LaBianca murders {he was lying from even before the officer arrested him on August 6th}, and while it is true that he said that Charlie killed Gary at his second trial, where has he ever said Charlie told him to kill Gary ? That's an interesting part of the story I'm not familiar with.

I doubt if he will get out

That's something I would not stake money on.
Sometimes, it pays to be cogniscant of the way the wind appears to be blowing. If you said that about Tex or Pat, I doubt you'd get many arguments. But that's now one of the killers released {and squeaky clean for 33 years}, 2 dead in prison and 3 granted parole. None of the others like Squeaky, Sandy, Mary or even Gypsy {a little fraud notwithstanding} that served time have been involved with the kind of criminal activity that has had people reaching for their guns and buying guard dogs. The Family has been all but washed up for almost as long as Nixon has been out of office and that's why I was always rather scratching my head when Vincent T and Stephen Kay would go on about how dangerous they still were.
Yeah, Bobby could die in prison, but it seems odd that once a parole board has granted you parole, that they would ever reverse that, unless the parolee went and did something ridiculous in the jail or confessed to 5 other murders or something. So the odds are more in favour of him {and Bruce and Leslie} one day roaming California again, even if not this time around.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Thanks Kimchi!

sunset77 said...

There was a story on Yahoo about this last night. Apparently, California has a new governor, I don't know if that will make a difference or not.--https://news.yahoo.com/charles-manson-follower-murderer-recommended-parole-014506630.html

katie8753 said...

Thanks Sunset. That article you referred to says Bobby is 71. The article on this thread says he's 68. Fake news. LOL.

Grim, wasn't it one of many of Bobby's stories that Manson said to him "you know what to do", and he knew that Manson was telling him to kill Gary?

I think his "drug burn" story is another lie. I don't think Gary sold him bad drugs. I think Manson thought Gary had money and he wanted it, so he sent Bobby over to get it.

I often wonder, if any of these people do get out, what are they gonna do for money? It doesn't matter if you're an ex-con or not, it takes money to live. Other than a few dollars and a new suit, what do they get when they get out?

Clem was young enough to earn a living. These people are too old to learn a trade and earn a living. Plus, who would hire them? Who would want to work with Manson Family members?

Uknown said...

Probably SSI. It's a welfare type of social security for those that don't have there quarters in. At age 70 he more than likely has some disabling conditions

Uknown said...

Although he's his own worst enemy and not down playing he killed a man. His final sentence was 7 to life. Very few get out at 7 year mark but 14 to 20 years and almost all with that sentence are out. Unless the inmate is a real problem. He's more than served his time. Can't stand the man but yea he's paid his debt. 50 years in prison I'd rather be executed. Prison isnt pleasant fun experience like some tv shows portray. It's a shit existence.

grimtraveller said...

katie8753 said...

That article you referred to says Bobby is 71. The article on this thread says he's 68. Fake news

In one of those Manson documentaries that was out last year, even Bobby got his age wrong ! He said he was 71 but he wasn't at the time !

wasn't it one of many of Bobby's stories that Manson said to him "you know what to do", and he knew that Manson was telling him to kill Gary?

Yeah, but that's a very nuanced story. Whenever he's asked if Charlie ordered or even told him to kill Gary, he's always adamant that he did not. At the same time, he says that because of Charlie slicing Gary with the sword, it put him in an awkward position and being told "You know what to do" left him to draw his own conclusions, which he concluded meant Gary was going to die. But Manson was pretty much like he had been with the women when he told them to do whatever Tex told them to. Even to this day none of them can say Charlie told them to kill anyone. He did, but he didn't.
Charlie tried to play it smart but the practitioners of the law were smarter. But where Bobby was concerned, he feels he was played and manipulated by Charlie but never told what to do.

I think his "drug burn" story is another lie. I don't think Gary sold him bad drugs

It's a hugely suspect story with enough holes for a squadron of rats to waltz through without much effort and a timeline so tight that one could be wearing jeans from the initial rock'n'roll era. Having said that, there has been enough stuff over the years for it to be at the very least plausible. Neither Ed Sanders or Vincent Bugliosi were fans of the Family but Sanders actually named a guy {Eric}, who, in conjunction with his wife, claim to have been Gary's partner in making mescaline. And in that 2009 documentary, Bugliosi said on camera that Gary Hinman used to furnish the Family with drugs. In the police report about Gary's death, even before the TLB murders, there is information that tells of Gary's drug problems and how he was trying to get away from that life.

I often wonder, if any of these people do get out, what are they gonna do for money?

I think some of them will have sufficient support from friends and family, at least initially.

Plus, who would hire them? Who would want to work with Manson Family members?

On both counts, you might be surprised. I wouldn't mind betting that if Bobby was working at your local car wash, you'd go to get your car cleaned there at least once, just out of sheer human curiosity.

katie8753 said...

Grim said:

In the police report about Gary's death, even before the TLB murders, there is information that tells of Gary's drug problems and how he was trying to get away from that life.

I totally agree that Gary did have a drug problem. But according to a good friend of his, his new found faith gave him the strength to try and kick that life and lead a more healthy life. That's why he was taking that trip to Japan to study the Buddhist religion and get more involved. I believe he borrowed money from his Dad to take the trip. He obviously didn't have any extra money lying around to give to Bobby.

The fact that Bobby stole his 2 cars is a joke. What were those cars worth? About $300 each? If that.

Donna Nelson said...

No need to retry the whole case in this forum. Bobby has served 50 years for a single murder that was not particularly henious compared to other murders, as well most people who have committed similar murders have served far less time. Bobby had nothing to do with Tate/Labianca and this should not be considered as part of the equation simply due to his association with Manson. He has not been charged with any other crimes, despite some questionable behavior vehind bars.

katie8753 said...

Well let's see Donna. Bobby held a "friend" of his captive for a couple of days, demanding money. Then when he didn't get it, he stabbed his "friend" in the chest.

I guess that must have hurt.

Then when his "friend" didn't die fast enough, he told the girls to put pillows on his face.

Then, he claimed he went back a couple of days later and saw maggots crawling on his "friend". And he went back to the ranch and laughed about it.

With "friends" like that, who needs enemies?

Bobby killed his "friend" and got around $500 in stolen goods for his efforts.

I wish I could see Bobby working at a car wash. I would love to see him getting wound up in the car washing machinery. Maybe get his head torn off. Maybe the maggots would eat him. And then maybe Gary could laugh about that.

Anybody who considers themselves "friends" with Bobby should re-think the whole thing if he gets out! You never know what he thinks is "funny".

katie8753 said...

Then Bobby put a "paw print" on the wall to blame it on blacks. Isn't that RACIST???

katie8753 said...

Bobby grew up in Santa Barbara, CA. He was a spoiled, selfish piss-ant.

He used to have a wife. I think she died. Probably out of self defense.

katie8753 said...

Bobby can't even tell the truth about what his age is. What a FUCKING LIAR!!!

katie8753 said...

If any of Bobby's "friends" are planning on supporting his sorry fucking old 71 year old ass if he gets out, they'd be better served if they hide the "cutlery".

You never know what Bobby thinks is "funny"!

grimtraveller said...

katie8753 said...

I believe he borrowed money from his Dad to take the trip. He obviously didn't have any extra money lying around to give to Bobby

That has long been one of the things that casts considerable doubt on Bobby's story. He says he picked up the drugs from Gary on the Friday night and handed the money over but by sometime on Saturday afternoon, he says he was at Gary's trying to get the money after the Satans had threatened him. It's such a tight timeline for everything he says to have happened. I would say an almost impossible one.
Of course, if one looks at the timing presented by the prosecution {the perps arriving Friday night and not leaving until Sunday evening} and the witnesses that back that up, then Bobby's tale becomes pretty predictable and follows what the Family always did when an iron clad case came against them; lie their way out of matters ~ and not particularly impressively.

Donna Nelson said...

No need to retry the whole case in this forum

Well, one of the interesting things that comes up on pretty much all the forums are the particulars of the case and the sifting of fact from fiction and various thoughts people carry in connection with those particulars.

Bobby has served 50 years for a single murder that was not particularly henious compared to other murders

He kept a guy prisoner for 3 days, thwacked him about the head numerous times with a gun, stood guard while someone else sliced his face and ear an inch deep and 5 inches long with a sword, beat the guy when he tried to escape at night, wouldn't let him go to hospital even though there was a possibility Gary could bleed to death, stabbed him, let him mulch for a while as it wasn't fatal, then stabbed him to death {remember, Gary had 4 stab wounds aside from the Charlie sword slice} and if that wasn't enough, while the guy was gasping for air, had him smothered with a pillow. I bet if you went through what Gary went through, you'd think it was pretty heinous ! I guess for me "not a particularly heinous murder" is a mass contradiction in terms. Murder by its very nature is heinous.
Now, is 50 years "too long" for a single murder ? Not when you are given 7 to life. Eligibility for parole may be part of the sentence but whether one actually is granted parole is dependent on a combination of factors and I don't think "too long" comes into it.

Bobby had nothing to do with Tate/Labianca and this should not be considered as part of the equation simply due to his association with Manson

Bobby did that to himself. In the 70s and 80s, he gave a series of interviews where he inserted himself into the whole TLB milieu and tried to defend the perps on that, even going as far as to say that those murders happened on his behalf or words to that effect. So when he decided that it was better for him to de-align himself from the whole Manson thing, it was too late because successive members of parole boards and people in the DA's office had longer and better memories than Bobby Beausoleil.

He has not been charged with any other crimes, despite some questionable behavior vehind bars

Questionable is an understatement. The Pats, Leslies, Bruces, Clems and Texs of this world understood very early on that if they were to stand any chance of being considered for parole, they couldn't afford to put a foot wrong and by and large, they've had pretty near exemplary prison records. But Bobby continually fell into things that were really silly and that didn't give the PBs confidence that he had insight and was a changed man. His attitude in the hearings didn't either. Whereas with Leslie one could put forth a cogent argument that her continued incarceration was questionable, that dog doesn't hunt with Bobby. Had his attitude been different, he may actually have been releasd a long time ago. He didn't seem to recall that he was always seen by the Man as the first of the Manson killers.

grimtraveller said...

katie8753 said...

He used to have a wife. I think she died. Probably out of self defense

That was below the belt, unnecessary and puts you on a lower level than those you criticize.
One should always maintain one's dignity, especially when heated feelings are in evidence.

katie8753 said...

Grim said:

That was below the belt, unnecessary and puts you on a lower level than those you criticize. One should always maintain one's dignity, especially when heated feelings are in evidence..

Below the belt? Was it "below the belt" to stab Gary because he didn't have any money? Was it "below the belt" to put a pillow on his head because he wasn't "dying fast enough"? Was it "below the belt" to laugh because Gary had maggots on his face after he died in IN OWN HOUSE?

Please define "below the belt".

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I found a document published by the California Department of Corrections (2011) which gives a statistical breakdown of actual prison time served by inmates.

The statistics are broken-down by specific crime... i.e., 1st degree murder, manslaughter, rape, etc.

In short, it states the mean/median time served by an inmate (for a specific crime) before they are first paroled.

According to the document, inmates convicted of first degree murder (pre 11-8-78) serve an average of 408 months in California, before they are released on parole.

408 months = 34 years

Extrapolate what you will from those figures, but statistics are hard to dispute.

Post 11-8-78, the average first degree murderer serves 344 months in California, which translates to 28.5 years.

I'm not a fan of Bobby, and personally, I'd have no problem seeing him die in jail.
He has a smug attitude, which I find repelling.

However, I'm also a firm believer that punishment should be carried-out in a consistent manner.
People perpetrating similar crimes, should serve similar sentences.

If we feel that our justice system is being too lenient on crime (in general), we should enact laws which are tougher (across the board) on EVERYONE.

I think it's pretty safe to conclude (at this point) that being associated with "the Manson Family" (and the notoriety that entails), creates obstacles for Bobby, Bruce and Leslie (in terms of parole) that the average (unknown) inmate will never know.

Common sense and statistical data seem to support that conclusion.

I guess, how one feels about this apparent "double standard" situation, depends largely upon one's personal feelings towards Bobby, versus their feelings regarding consistency in punishment.

At any rate, here's the PDF document:

https://cdcr.ca.gov/Reports_Research/Offender_Information_Services_Branch/Annual/TIME6/TIME6d2010.pdf

As I said previously, extrapolate what you will...

Peace!

katie8753 said...

I still want to know what Grim's definition of "below the belt" is. Is there anything the Manson bunch did that WASN'T "below the belt"?

Targeting & stalking people for money and killing them when they can't produce?

Is that "below the belt"?

Tricking a guy into going into town for "parts" and then hammering his brains out?

Is that "below the belt"?

I'd love to know how the Manson killers were "above the belt".

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

For shit & giggles, I'll give you my personal "prediction" regarding these paroles.

In 5-10 years, Bruce, Leslie and Bobby will be released.
That's my "predicition timeline".
It's not going to happen immediately... but, it will happen soon.

The Boogeyman is now dead (i.e., Manson), and with that, the stigma associated with this case will slowly die as well.

Moreover...
The folks who were directly (and emotionally) effected by these TLB crimes are beginning to quickly disappear.
The folks from that era, who actually experienced the crimes when they were perpetrated, are dying in record numbers.

The average person on the street doesn't even know who Bruce, Bobby and Leslie are (at this point).

That's precisely why, the newspaper headlines for these stories ALWAYS read: "Manson Follower" Bobby Beausoleil. "Manson Follower" Bruce Davis. "Manson Follower" Leslie Van Houten.

Without that prerequisite label "Manson Follower", the average reader wouldn't even know who the author is referring to. Bruce Davis? Seriously?

The TLB stigma is finally dwindling due to the sheer passage of time, and these folks WILL be released... if they live old enough.
Of course, I said that 15 years ago...

Dilligaf said...

LS,

I believe that you are correct regarding the early stigma of a Manson Follower. However, I believe that as time has gone by, that is a term used more heavily by the media, rather than the BPH. Fifty years later, most Americans seem to focus primarily more on the actual crime, and the affiliation secondarily. Chalk it up to time, societal shifts, etc.. There is a philosophical battle being waged to want to hold people more accountable today versus always looking for a mitigating factor to diminish responsibility, and give second chances, From the kitchen table to the halls of government, this battle continues.

In regards to average sentences, the problem with averages is that it does not take the individual aspects of a particular crime into account, which definitely should impact a sentence, as opposed to sentencing via standardized justice. Are the crimes of Tookie Williams of Kevin Cooper worse than Bobby Beausoleil? That is arguable. Yes, with the former killers, multiple people were killed as opposed to a single victim that was tortured for days before being killed. But, both received the DP, and one had their sentence carried out, whereas the latter now faces possible parole. Fair? That is a question that has no single answer, for we all have our opinion of what is fair. Is justice fair? I believe so, as a whole. However, I also believe that many things alter the concept of fairness and justice, including religion, politics, sociological perspectives, and, yes, even naivety.

Donna Nelson said...

This is the sort of response I would expect from someone who uses the term "libtard"

katie8753 said...

Thanks Donna! I appreciate the opportunity! :)

katie8753 said...

The definition of "Lib-Tard".

an individual, whose thinking process has been
rendered impaired by political correctness and the
failure to understand that people are responsible
for their actions and the world does not owe lazy
or stupid people a living.

katie8753 said...

Actually, Lib-Tard is a is a hyphenated shortened def, meaning Liberal Retard.

Repeat after me. Liberal Retard. It gets easier if you say it fast. :)

grimtraveller said...

katie8753 said...

Please define "below the belt"

With pleasure. From the Cambridge dictionary: "If a remark is below the belt, it is very insulting and unfair. Unkind, cruel & unfeeling."

Your remark about Barbara Beausoleil was all of those things and more. Whatever Bobby or any of that troupe may have done is irrelevant when it comes to the death of someone, even if they were related to any of the murderers. And it really does speak volumes about you and worst of all, for the purposes of these pages, it undermines whatever you may go on to say. By making jests like that you present yourself as basically being no different in mind to the mindless killers that you spend a great swathe of your posts criticizing.
If I had murdered someone and my child went on to be murdered or died in a plane crash or of cancer and you said something like "well, at least they won't be following in their Dad's footsteps," that would be below the belt.
I knew what I said would provoke a reaction in you and I also knew your immediate reaction would not be to take step back, recognize a faux pas par excellence and acknowledge that you were out of order.
The irony is that by straight away going on the attack and talking about the wrongs of the Manson Family members, you've simply done what Charlie and Bobby spent much of their time doing over the past half century ~ deflecting.

grimtraveller said...

katie8753 said...

I'd love to know how the Manson killers were "above the belt"

They weren't.
There you go.
That doesn't sanitize your statement. Jibes about someone's death are in poor taste, even more so when it's not even one of the killers being spoken of.

grimtraveller said...

Dilligaf said...

In regards to average sentences, the problem with averages is that it does not take the individual aspects of a particular crime into account, which definitely should impact a sentence, as opposed to sentencing via standardized justice

I think this is a really important point. While it's true that Bobby has been affected by the 'Manson follower' tag, so was Clem and Clem was seen as the far more dangerous killer. I suspect that Bobby may well have been an afterthought to many people if he had kept his nose clean. His constantly changing story {not helped by the fact that it was contradicted by Susan Atkins and Charles Manson} to a large extent kept his murder in the foreground and meant that it really was looked at individually. And if one looks at the parole transcripts on Cielo's site, there are changes to his tale even in the few there. For quite a while, he puts blame on Danny DeCarlo, then he finally admits DeCarlo wasn't involved, for example. So I don't think one can look at the cross section of parolees over the period that Lynyrd's survey covers and necessarily compare them with Bobby.

katie8753 said...

Grim, when I said "I think she died", it was more of a question than a statement, because I couldn't remember if she died or not. But then I added "probably out of self defense". That last statement was not a bad reflection on her, but on Bobby. But, as you pointed out, it was tacky, flippant and stupid to say that. And I apologize.

I don't know why any man or woman would seek out and marry a convicted murderer, but it happens all the time. I don't have to agree with it, but, to each his own.

iamthewalrus said...

Katie's comment about Barbara Beausoliel made me wonder if her kids will help Bobby out if he gets out. They just sold her house so that is gone. Will they have him working at their little brewery slinging drinks?? Will they allow him to be around their children? They were always in pictures with Bobby at prison visits. I wonder if it will be so easy to let him into their lives without bars and guards.

grimtraveller said...

I gotta say Katie, I respect you for that. That took guts.

Donna Nelson said...

Repubtard -blind obedience to authority even when against own self-interest, believes in a sky daddy and uses bible verses to spew and justify hate, and has little to no ability to engage in critical thinking, politically viscious. Say it enough Katie and it will roll off your tongue.

See I am no libtard, no PC here.

katie8753 said...

Oooooohh....burn!!! HA HA.

Just one question Donna, who is the sky daddy?

Donna Nelson said...

Glad u have a good sense of humor Katie.

beauders said...

Katie in the 70’s when Watson thought he was really get paroled he listed his future plans as moving back to Texas and becoming a tv preacher. Could you imagine? Someone would lasso him one step into Texas and hang him from the closest tree. Of course if it really happened you and I could go heckle him. Yes I would travel to Texas to hangout with Katie and heckle Watson.

beauders said...

Grim do you know Barbara and Bobby Beausoliel enjoyed looking at pictures of children being spanked? They belonged to a club or something and when Bobby was criticized for it they quit. Bobby also said at one of his trials "You better hope I never get out." Murder and torture for me though is a good reason to never release the inmate.

grimtraveller said...

beauders said...

do you know Barbara and Bobby Beausoliel enjoyed looking at pictures of children being spanked?

All that children spanking stuff has long been rather odious to me. It's pretty obvious that when Bobby was being grilled about it during one of his parole hearings that he neither saw anything amiss about it nor did he expect the parole board to be on the ball about it. I think it was around the time that Bobby, Tex and Pat were beginning to realize that things they'd said or had been said about them in books, interviews and the like, were being picked up by parole boards and the DA's office and were useful evidence to go towards arguments for their continued incarceration.

Bobby also said at one of his trials "You better hope I never get out."

And that's a good example of that.
That said, I do accept his explanation of it some 30 years later that he was a dumb young hothead at the time he said this {it was in the early 70s}. The question by the new century was whether or not he had sufficiently matured from that person. Judging by the things he got in trouble for and his attitude in some of his parole hearings, the evidence wasn't overwhelming on his part !
For me, what Bobby did in 1969 is horrendous, but less of a problem actually, than the mindset he has continually displayed in the years subsequent. I know that appears an odd thing to say, but what I mean by that is that he has never been convincing to me in terms of remorse and the growth, genuine growth, that accompanies it. I suspect that this decision in his favour may have to do with some illness or something like that.

katie8753 said...

Beauders if Tex ever does get out and come to Texas to preach, we'll just hog-tie him and drag him behind a pickup over some cactus. Heckling is too easy. LOL.

beauders said...

Katie I've fallen into a cactus and it sucks.

katie8753 said...

Yeah I know Beauders. It hurts even more when you have to pull it out. That's why I suggested it.

beauders said...

Got it Katie I fell into a cactus as a child and remember the pain being pretty unbearable as an adult I had two open knee surgeries and had a kidney cut into which were comparable.

chris hannel said...

I wanna lick Susan Atkins's feet.

Dilligaf said...

Well, there’s probably not much left to lick, so what do you have planned for the rest of your day?