Monday, March 19, 2018

Charles Manson - Open Casket Funeral followed by Cremation

Charles Manson had his final hurrah Saturday during a memorial service that ended in fire.

Manson's body was front and center at a service held in Porterville, CA. We're told the body was decomposing badly, and needed heavy makeup and gloves to cover the deterioration. He died 4 months ago but his body was put on ice until a judge decided who would take control of it.

Approximately 30 people showed up at the funeral home. His grandson, Jason Freeman -- the man who won control over the body -- spoke at the service, as did a Manson follower.
Manson's service didn't end with a burial. His body was cremated and his ashes were spread along a nearby creek bed in a forest. Apparently it was a windy day, because the ashes blew back on the guests.  

We're told the attendees included Manson's former fiancee, Afton Burton, and former Manson Family member Sandra Good.

As TMZ first reported ... Manson -- the mastermind behind one of the most heinous murder sprees in American history -- died of natural causes back in November 2017. He was 83.


LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Story submitted by Mr Stormsurge.

Thank You Stormsurge.

Full story here:

katie8753 said...

It was a windy day and the ashes blew back on them! HA HA! Charlie always gets the last word, even when he's been on ice for months! You can't make this stuff up!!

katie8753 said...

Greater Love Hath No Man Than This, That a Man Lay Down His Life for His Friends.

They should have used these quotes:

If I wanted to kill somebody, I'd take this book and beat you to death with it, and I wouldn't feel a thing. It'd be like walking to the drug store."

“You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody’s crazy.”

“I am only what you made me. I am only a reflection of you.”

katie8753 said...

Porterville, CA is between Fres-Burg & Bakersfield, not that far from Lake Isabella, where the LaBiancas spent their last few hours boating & picking up Rosemary's son, before they were slaughtered in their own home!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

What struck me (about this situation), is that, for a guy who had such an unusual life and unorthodox personality, he certainly had a very traditional funeral.

To look at Manson laying there... (with the church pamphlets, etc)... you'd think he was your local neighborhood Grocer... a guy you might know from your Elks Club or VFW Hall.

But then again, how many ways ARE THERE to bury someone, I suppose?

We all seem to come into this world the same way... and by the looks of it... we all go out, the same way too. It's what we do in-between that matters.

That's my take-away...

katie8753 said...

Okay I'm confused.

Manson's service didn't end with a burial. His body was cremated and his ashes were spread along a nearby creek bed in a forest.

Surely they didn't cremate him in front of people. Did they rent that coffin and give it back when they were done with it? I don't know if you can rent a coffin or not. But if he was cremated he wouldn't need the coffin.

william marshall said...

Come on Lynyrd this was really in poor taste publishing this pic regardless of what people thought of the man
I see nobody bothered to mention the gloves were because his body was in such a state of decay whoever sold this pic to TMZ ought to be ashamed of themselves

katie8753 said...

William I wonder, as I said, if the patrons were allowed to see Manson's cremation. That's barbaric! Not since the Viking funerals have we seen that. Except maybe in horror movies.

Who sold that pic to TMZ? That is the person who should be ashamed. Except the liberal news media is never ashamed. They just report stuff to get ratings, which reflects in their paychecks, which keeps their stupid creepy jobs going.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

William said:
"Come on Lynyrd this was really in poor taste publishing this pic regardless of what people thought of the man

I see nobody bothered to mention the gloves were because his body was in such a state of decay whoever sold this pic to TMZ ought to be ashamed of themselves"

Hello William,

Stormsurge sent me a link to the article.
I'm not a fan of TMZ, but regardless of my personal opinion of the show, the fact remains, it airs nationally.
Those photos are easily obtained at this point.

Beyond that, I wasn't privy to the "backstory" (regarding these photos), when I posted the thread.

About 4 days after I posted this thread, I caught wind that Manson supporters were furious about the photo.
Evidently, they wanted Manson's funeral to be completely private, with no photos taken, etc.
Obviously, one individual who attended the funeral, betrayed their trust, took a photo, and sent it to TMZ.
Bear in mind, I knew nothing of this situation, or the family's desire for complete privacy, until days after the TMZ story aired.

Having said all that... I'll give you my honest opinion on the matter, and here it is:

I'm not really sure, why Manson supporters are so upset.
Quite honestly, I think Manson looks great in that photo.
I'm not saying that, just to be an asshole.
I really believe, that it's one of the most flattering pictures, that I've ever seen of Charles Manson.
He's well-groomed and well-dressed, and the casket is gorgeous.
He certainly looks better in that casket photo, than he did in the 1980's, when he would shave his head in crazy styles, to purposely look like a maniac.

Be honest, do you really think Manson looks better in THIS photo?

A person would never know why Manson was wearing those white gloves, unless TMZ specified the reason in writing.
A lot of military guys are buried in white gloves, and personally, I think it looks pretty nice.

I stated on previous threads (more than once), that I think it was wrong to keep a human frozen for months... I even described it as "cruel and unusual" treatment.
I also think it's pretty shitty, that a person would attend a funeral (which they KNEW was private), take a photo, and make it public.
But quite honestly William, I'm not responsible for either situation.
You can blame the first decision on the state of California, and the second situation, on a dude, that I don't even know.

Bottom line:
If the photo of Manson showed any actual "decay", I certainly wouldn't have posted it.
I'm not a morbid person.
There may have been visible signs of decay, to those individuals who viewed the body in-person at the funeral home, but I can't discern any such signs, from the photo alone.

Bear in mind, Manson was a public figure.
There are hundreds of photos of him, pre-and-post incarceration.
I think this drama over one photo, is being a bit overblown... especially since, this photo of Manson is in no way, unflattering.

As for my personal opinion of Manson... I wish him the best in the afterlife.
He served his jail time in-full.
The rest is between him and God.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

If anyone else is offended by this photo, let me know, and I'll take it down.

I have no personal attachment to this photo, and I'm certainly not looking to offend anyone.

Myself, I think Manson looks pretty damn good in this photo... but maybe there's more to this situation, that I'm unaware of...

As I said... let me know.
Offending people, is definitely not my goal.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

If Manson's friends felt so strongly that his body was unfit for viewing, then why did they have an open casket?
That's the question, that keeps coming to my mind.

I've been to all types of funerals.

In recent years, a close friend of mine was cremated before his wake, and the family displayed his urn, with a large framed photo of him (right behind it). They also had a video tape (movie) of him, playing at the wake (in another room). The video was essentially a compilation of home movies and photos from his entire life... including his wife and 3 children. It was actually very nice, and I remember standing there for a good half hour, watching the movie with a couple dozen other people. It was a great feeling of nostalgia and kinship, as everyone commented on the movie, shared memories, etc.

There's several ways to hold a wake/funeral these days.
Personally, I think Manson looks fine, but again, if they felt so strongly about the situation, they should have considered a closed casket, or other options.
Maybe the Funeral Director was unprofessional and lax, when it came to explaining the various options available.

Some have suggested, that it was an employee of the funeral home, who snapped the photo of Manson (before the guests arrived).
That would explain things (to some extent).
It kinda makes sense.
Doesn't it strike anyone else as kinda strange, that there are NO other people in the photo??

With that, I'll shut-up now.
None of this, is any of my personal business.

katie8753 said...

Lynyrd, that's what I was gonna say. They should have cremated Manson before the service, then had him put in an urn for the service. That's the way I've always seen it at a funeral service for someone who was cremated.

I read that someone had already snapped of picture of him when he was still at the morgue. I got Google alerts on it but I never looked. Not something I wanted to see. I don't want to click on a link to any trash mag who would post that kind of thing anyway.

He does look peaceful in that photo. He looks like he's sleeping.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie said:
"He does look peaceful in that photo. He looks like he's sleeping."

I think he looks pretty good in the photo.
His complexion is a bit darker, than normal.
But, after all... he is dead.

I've been to the funerals of many relatives, who looked a lot worse than Manson.
I've seen relatives with a 1/4 inch layer of gross "flesh-colored" dust caked-on their face and hands.
And the skin of their face, was stretched so tight, it looked morbid.
And those relatives, were buried within a week of their death.
I'm sure some "embalmers" are more talented than others.

All in all... I'd say Manson looks pretty damn good comparatively.

Then again, I wasn't at the funeral.
Maybe the guests in attendance were able to see things, that the photo doesn't show.

For myself, I've definitely seen worse sights at funerals.
Then again... I've been attending funerals since the mid-1970's.
The latest techniques are probably far superior.

But, no matter how you slice the pie, you can't expect a dead person to look "amazing" in their casket.
I mean... let's be realistic.

It sucks that someone disrespected the family's wishes for complete privacy, but to say that Manson looks "bad" in this photo, is just not true.
Not in my opinion, anyway.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Assuming the funeral home people didn't take the photo (before the guests arrived)... I'd say they did a very good job.

If you consider the timeline, the embalmer did a fantastic job.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Now, I feel guilty for perpetuating the suspicion that the Funeral Home is responsible for taking the photo.

It seems to me, the Funeral Home did very good job, and such an accusation could ruin their business.

grimtraveller said...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

What struck me (about this situation), is that, for a guy who had such an unusual life and unorthodox personality, he certainly had a very traditional funeral

Not that he had much choice !

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...



sunset77 said...

There was a story on Yahoo last night that Jason Freeman was selling the programs from the funeral for $100 apiece. Those people do things differently than most people.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

No doubt, Sunset. No doubt...

beauders said...

Katie you and everyone else needs to read the new book "The Manson Women and Me" by Nikki Meredith finally a book that is not a repeat of all the other books. Katie, I doubt you'll agree with the author on much but she makes some interestingpoints. We also learn more the history of the women including Catherine Share.

katie8753 said...

Thanks Beauders.

I saw where that book was coming out and I thought it was just going to be like all the other books of women interviewing Pat & Leslie to try to get into their heads about why they would kill. I'll have to check that out!

beauders said...

Katie it has some of that but it's still a new book that doesn't debate motive or glorify anyone involved, etc.

katie8753 said...

It doesn't debate motive? I thought that was what it was all about! Without motive, what is there?

beauders said...

I mean I liked it because it wasn't a repeat of all the other books. The motive has been done to death as far as I am concerned. This book is more about the psychology behind Krenwinkel and Van Houten then and today.

beauders said...

I'm not saying it's the best book on the subject, I have found many mistakes. The author considers Pat and Leslie friends so she is biased. It just is different. I just finished reading " False Profit" and "Now Is The Only Thing That's Real." Both are motive heavy as well as repeating the same old same old. I guess I'm just bored with that.

katie8753 said...

Okay thanks Beauders.

I read somewhere that Pat got mad at this author because she wouldn't recommend her for parole to the parole board and now she refuses to see her anymore. Do you know if that's true?

beauders said...

That's true it's in the book. Pat comes off as very bitter in general.

katie8753 said...

Well that's very telling. That tells me that Pat is still dangerous to society. She's only chumming up with this author to try and get out of prison.

You know, I'm blown away that Pat or Tex would even try to get parole. They both go on and on about feeling terrible about what they did, blah, blah, blah, but yet expect to get paroled because they are both on good behavior!

When either of them get a parole hearing, they should both just decline the hearing, citing that they need to finish their sentence because what they did was so despicable that they can never repay society for their hideous actions.

But they both just keep trying to get out!

What Pat & Tex did was indescribably hideous. They both proceeded to stab and kill people THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW!!! Stab wounds that add up to 100's!!! Didn't even know them!!!!!!!

These killings are probably the most heinous of any century!!!

And for Tex & Pat to keep trying to get out speaks VOLUMES to me. Neither of them are sorry, and neither of them think they stepped over a very large line!!!

If they can't see that, then they should NEVER get out!

katie8753 said...

She chased Abigail Folger and stabbed her and hit bones until her hand hurt, then she called Tex over to finish her off. Then she stabbed Rosemary in the neck and hit a bone and broke the knife. Again, had to call Tex to finish her off.

Pat's not a good ninja. She was a poor choice by Charlie. Except for the fact that she killed on demand. But she did manage to carve W-A-R in Leno's chest. According to Sandy, she did that so he wouldn't "send his son off to war".

When she was finally caught she was walking down the road in Alabama in a "big floppy hat" with a minor that she had smoked pot with.

Yeah she was really sorry for what she did.

katie8753 said...

Pat should have worn glasses at all of her parole hearings. You know the old saying. "Men don't make passes at girls who wear glasses". HA HA.

Oh well, Jodi Arias tried that and it didn't work. LOL.

beauders said...

Pat has no chance of ever getting out so I don't see the point of ending a friendship over a letter to the parole board. I don't think Pat has many friends.