Friday, March 9, 2012

Debra Tate's Second Statement (Revised)

I’ve decided to collapse this thread, for two reasons.

#1) It’s too damn long… and quite frankly, I’m tired of looking at it.

#2) After reading all the commentary surrounding this topic, it’s become abundantly clear to me, that this ordeal, is a long-standing situation between Alisa Statman, Robin Olsen and Debra Tate… which started long before this book, was ever released
This longstanding situation is none of my business, or my bloggers’ business. 
It’s really no one’s business but theirs.  None of us could ever unravel this ordeal (beyond pure conjecture), without knowing all of them (Alisa, Robin and Debra) personally.  And THAT my friends… (as you well know)… ain’t never gonna happen.  Moreover… even if that were possible (i.e., knowing them all personally)… it would be in bad taste to involve ourselves in their business, to that extent anyway.   If anyone cares to pass judgment on any of these folks, based on second-hand account… they can count me out.

If anyone wants to view this document (Debra Statement II ) further, it can still be seen at its original resting place here:  Debra Tate Statement II

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I have only two general thoughts on this whole ordeal:

#1) I highly doubt, that Sharon would want to see her own sister (Debra) constantly derailed by strangers on blogs.   That sentiment was expressed by an insightful blogger named “Danielle” at Liz’s place… and I agree completely.   It’s a sentiment, which is difficult to argue.

#2) It seems to me, that Alisa would have saved herself much grief, if she had simply featured Debra in the book … or, at a minimum… displayed a few photos of Debra.  I doubt including Debra in the book, could have hurt anything… including sales.  It seems to me, (again)… that Sharon would have wanted that (i.e., Debra to be included in the book).   All things being equal, it’s the right thing to do. 
   I hasten to add… that Debra (for all I know), may have sued Alisa for displaying a single photo of her in the book. LOL   That’s the point.   We just don’t know all the details… and we can’t know.  Which brings me back to square one.   We shouldn’t judge, or get involved.   We can only speculate… and weigh second-hand account… which is a waste of time, distasteful… and moreover, none of our business.   “It is, what it is“.  
Read the book… enjoy it… and move on.   If Debra writes a book… read that one too.

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For the record… my thoughts on the never-ending topic of “Debra”:

I'm very well-versed on all the negativity that has been written regarding Debra Tate over the years.  I could relate every "Debra" insult and accusation verbatim.  I'm certainly not in the dark.  I was there, when Debra was ridiculed for hiring a professional model to wear Sharon’s clothes.  I was there for the infamous "Dig" (for more bodies)... which lasted like 4 hours… and yielded a 5x5 hole... about 2 feet deep. LOL  (That’s not to say, the premature culmination of that “Dig” was Debra’s fault or decision).  I was also there, when Debra described Roman's sex with Samantha Geimer as "consensual"... and on, and on.  That last one, was pretty outlandish.

But yet... in reality... I don't know Debra Tate from a hole in the wall.  I've never spent a minute of my time with her... or communicated with her directly.  That's why, I keep my mouth shut, and don’t participate in these gang-style, witch hunt, bash sessions.  If only the folks who truly know Debra (personally), participated in these "mass bashings", there'd be 3 people in attendance… if that.

Debra may, in fact, be the worst bitch that ever lived.   I have no idea.  I simply have a hard time mustering-up a burning hate for anyone that I've never met... based purely on the hate described by others… and secondhand reports.

What I have here, (in Debra) is a very peculiar woman... who evidently wasn't able to "part" with her father (after all that's happened to her)... and hence… retains his ashes... much to the besmirch of her relatives and friends. 
It's certainly very strange... but, it doesn't arouse a whole lot of hate from me. 
It’s her father… not mine… and hence, not my business.  Keith Richards once stated that he "snorted" his father's remains. LOL  It’s all “relative”. (pun intended)

Debra has never wronged me personally.  I wish Debra the Best… and if she really IS bat-shit crazy… I hope she gets the help she needs, and finds peace. 

Peace... Lynyrd

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The Three Sisters, in a Happier Time.
Sometimes a picture really does say a thousand words.

118 comments:

katie8753 said...

HA HA HA HA HA!

DEBRA STILL RULES!!!!

CarolMR said...

I agree, katie. Wow, just...wow. Thanks for posting this, Lynyrd.

CarolMR said...

I'm glad Debra finally cleared up (at least in my mind) the issue of Paul Tate's ashes. He left no written instructions as to what was to be done with them. He just said he didn't want them at Holy Cross. Therefore, it makes perfect sense that Debra kept them.

katie8753 said...

Hi Carol!

I'm too tired to go into this tonight. Will research this further tomorrow.

I can see a few things that I saw that Debra saw, but there are others.

Ciao darlin'!!!!

katie8753 said...

I watched the Austin Powers movie "
The Spy Who Shagged me" today and there was a scene where this Russian girl said:'

"Ah, you have more hair on your body then a monkey".

and Austin said: Grrrr baby....Grrrrr...

HA HA HA.

Okay I'll stop. Time for sublimal cuts. LOL.

Sleepytime now. YOW.

CarolMR said...

'Night, katie. Looking forward to your comments tomorrow.

ColScott said...

Carol
Bzzt. False. The funeral was prepared and many people attended. He very much wished to be buried with his wife.

Robin Olsen is psycho and deluded. Over at the only official blog we can wade through the allegations.

But stop and think for a moment about certain truths which automatically make me right and Robin (she wrote the release under Debra's name).

Patti didn't trust Robin or Debra (her own flesh and blood) to raise her children. Her children were her life. She made sure that ALISA did it.

Paul Tate, a hardass if there ever was one, threw Debra and Alisa out of his house. The house he later sold to Alisa. And he was very close to the kids while Alisa raised them.



Patti- ALisa. Paul- Alisa. Patti's Kids- ALisa.

Once again Debra is stuck with lies and sadness brought on by herself. And Robin Olsen is a psychotic homophobe who better make sure she is lawyered up quickly.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Debra’s statement is very well-written, comprehensive and lucid.
But talk is cheap.

What‘s important here, is that Debra has put her money, where her mouth is.
Debra has offered to pay for a lie detector test.
As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing left to discuss...

If Alisa is indeed forthright, she should have no problem at all, passing such a test.
In fact…
Alisa should be eager to pass such a test... thus making a fool out of Debra, in the process.
This is Alisa’s grand opportunity… to prove beyond any doubt, that Debra is crackers, with little effort.

For the investment of one hour of her time (at a polygraph examination)… Alisa can put this all to rest definitively … and rid the world of Debra forever.
Moreover… a lie detector would prove much less effort and time invested (for Alisa)… as opposed to defending herself on blogs.
AND, it would be much more convincing.

But Alas…
Alisa won't take the test.
We all know that… and, we all know why…

The book is a wonderful tribute/remembrance/testament to the Tate family.
It reads easily, like a romance novel.
It’s well-written with great imagery, and elicits great sympathy and emotion.
It’s an enjoyable read.
Alisa can paint a scene with words, very well.
She’s a talented writer.
I’ve only read 92 pages, and I’ve figured that out.
I’ve also figured-out, that although enjoyable… it’s not 100% fact.
There are inconsistencies.

During the “CBS This Morning” interview:
Alisa clearly states, that Rudy Altobelli sued for $250k in damages.
The interview can be viewed here http://www.lsb3.com/2012/02/sharon-tates-niece-brie-tate.html

On page 56 of “Restless Souls“, the Altobelli suit is (again) covered, and the figures don’t match at all.
They simply don’t match.
It’s an inconsistency.

One could comb through the entire book, and find more inconsistencies, but I’ve got better ways to spend my time today.
Maybe some other day…

Two other quick things, that make Lynyrd go “Hmmm“, after 92 pages:

1) I believe the excerpt Debra offers here… concerning Patti’s thoughts (regarding the funeral day specifically)… seem much more realistic.
It down-to-earth, direct communication.
It sounds like a layperson’s authentic “mental notes”.
Why is it... that everyone in this book... communicates with the literary mastery of Nobel Prize-winning Ernest Hemingway?

2) Let’s be frank.
Until now…
Little has been written regarding Colonel Tate.
Over the years… Doris has received much more ink, and notoriety.
Rightfully so.
Doris has “spearheaded” much legislation… and never shunned the opportunity to make a difference.
She “put herself out there”… as it were.
Now… after all these years of quiet backdrop… we are to believe, that Colonel Tate was a Super-hero, with the personality of Joe Pesci on “Goodfellas”.
I’m not buying it.

Bottom line:
If Colonel Tate was truly this prolific, he would have gotten more ink.
The press and authors love a good story… and who would’ve resisted such a “character”?
If Colonel Tate was really this interesting, his persona would have eclipsed that of Doris.
That's been far from the case... until this book.

“Restless Souls” is a very enjoyable read.
It’s succeeds in eliciting sympathy and emotions.
It’s a great book.
But, it’s not a bonafide first-hand account.
It contains lots of great, professional writing, which undoubtedly was not penned by the Tate’s themselves.
There are also inconsistencies, which can be identified.

If anyone else wants to make a quest out of bashing or defending this book… that’s there business.
As for me… I call’em… as I see’em… and, that’s it.
I’m done.

Enough banter…
Let Alisa take the lie detector test… and save us all hours of headaches, speculation, research and feuding.
Until Alisa takes the test… I’ll assume Debra is correct.
Debra has dropped the gauntlet… and now the ball is in Alisa’s court.

Peace… Lynyrd

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

And with that...
It's time for a much-deserved saturday afternoon nap.

Try not to kill each other folks...
It's just a blog.

Here...
I'll turn on the "babysitter".
That's my name for the "comment moderation". LOL

The "babysitter's" on...
And now, I bid you all farewell for a bit...

ZZZZZZZZZZZ

katie8753 said...

Hi Col!

>>>But stop and think for a moment about certain truths which automatically make me right and Robin (she wrote the release under Debra's name).>>>

Most people don't write their own press releases. It's done by an assistant or publicist, then shown to the person making the statement for corrections or to mark it Okay to Release.

So I guess I don't see the hubbub regarding who wrote it.

>>>Patti didn't trust Robin or Debra (her own flesh and blood) to raise her children. Her children were her life. She made sure that ALISA did it.>>>

Can you possibly tell me what happened to the third child? Please don't say the gypsys ran off with it. LOL.

>>>Paul Tate, a hardass if there ever was one, threw Debra and Alisa out of his house. The house he later sold to Alisa. And he was very close to the kids while Alisa raised them.>>>

He threw Alisa out??? Hmmm....

Regarding the ashes, I'm sure it would depend on Paul's final wishes as to where they would end up, but I'll ask the same question I asked before: If Debra was disinherited, how did she get the ashes?

katie8753 said...

Sorry to be so slow responding to this, just had one of those mornings. LOL.

I've printed off what Debra wrote and I'm going thru it and comparing it to the book. I want to see if Debra found any of the same inconsistencies that I did.

I'll be back! HA HA.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Where are my manners?

Welcome to the blog Colonel!

Love your online persona!
I've been reading your ravings for years!
You remain, by far, the most entertaining blogger online... bar none.

Myself...
I'm quite content to remain "unoffical"... LOL

Peace... Lynyrd

CarolMR said...

katie, didn't Don Ford get the oldest child?

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

JimNY...

You often visit the blog, and address the Colonel indirectly.

Here's your chance for a little one-on-one time. LOL

Seriously folks... I must be losing my mind.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

(This oughtta be good for 600 posts) LOLOL

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Sorry...

In my initial post, it should read: "that's their business"... not, "that's there business".

katie8753 said...

>>>Carol said: katie, didn't Don Ford get the oldest child?>>>

I don't know. I don't think it's mentioned what happened to her.

Patti's eldest child is mentioned on page 257. It mentions that the child's name is Ally, and that she went to play with Suzan LaBerge's kid. But that's all I saw on this child. Unless I missed something.

leary7 said...

I don't know Lynyrd, I see your point, and share your enjoyment of Sat aft naps, but I also see that it seems clear that Patti Tate held Alisa in high regard and her sister Debra in the opposite. And the Col will make the case that Paul Tate felt the same. And the niece also. I just can't write that off to misunderstandings.
As for Paul Tate having had a low profile, the guy was serious military intelligence, if he didn't want to be "out there" I respectfully don't share your opinion that the media would have put him "out there" regardless of his desires. People handle grief differently, there is no logic to it, and Paul and Doris are simply testimony to that.
Does the book have inconsistencies? Probably absolutely. But then it is a memoir. Alisa does not pose as a historian. Most memoirs do have "validity issues" simply because folk do remember things differently.
Not to get Shakesperean about this but it does seem like a whole lot of much ado about nothing. If one reads Alisa's book as a history text they will rightfully have issues. If one reads it as a memoir they will have less. Harper Collins is a top publishing company and they did vet the book for nine months so unless a specific major and intentional lie is unearthed I say just enjoy the read and accept that it is an imperfect world.

katie8753 said...

Okay, I just wanted to mention a couple of things that are confusing to me.

On the first picture page, it says that PJ went AWOL from the Navy when Sharon was a few days old. This would be in 1943.

But on page 358, Brie says that "Papa went AWOL twice from the ARMY in the 1950's". A direct contradiction.

Also, Brie says on page 358 that her grandfather Paul moved out of his house and moved in with his new girlfriend. But on page xiv, Alisa says that Paul sold the house to her and moved to an island for peace and quiet. Another contradiction.

CarolMR said...

Yes, people handle grief differently. No disrespect to Col. Tate, but I have read many times that he was so devastated by his daughter's murder that he took to the bottle and he and Doris were basically living separate lives. It's a shame how tragedy destroys families. Does anyone really believe that Col. Tate was able to make the connection between Hinman and TLB and this is the first time we're hearing about it?

katie8753 said...

>>>Carol said: Does anyone really believe that Col. Tate was able to make the connection between Hinman and TLB and this is the first time we're hearing about it?>>>

I don't know how much Tate was involved in this case, except acting on his own. His name isn't mentioned in the homicide reports as an investigator that I know of.

There's no mention that he solved anything anywhere else.

I tend to have a problem believing this stuff about him staking out Cielo Drive and following motorcycles to Spahn's Ranch. First I've heard of that too.

ColScott said...

Thanks for the welcome.

Typo- he threw Debra and Robin out of the house. I was tired.

Also now have uncovered why Debra was ultimately disowned. Blew my fucking mind that a sibling could do this.

Does anyone know what Robin Olsen does?

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Leary...
I'll play this game once (with you)... because... well... I like you.
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Leary said:

"I also see that it seems clear that Patti Tate held Alisa in high regard and her sister Debra in the opposite. And the Col will make the case that Paul Tate felt the same. And the niece also. I just can't write that off to misunderstandings".

Yeah, so?
What's your point?

I understand that Debra is the black sheep of that family.
Disowned... Hated.... the whole niner.
I've got it.

Dude...
I figured that out, when I first got the book.
I leafed through, and didn't find ONE photo of Debra!
NOT ONE!

It doesn't take a genius (or a "Colonel") to figure out what the f#ck that means!
Generally speaking... being left out of your own family, is an obvious sign-post, you're disliked. LOL
Leary... "tell me something, I don't know"... as they say.

But, what of it?
Does that make the entire book accurate???
Does that mean, Debra... (who's well-hated) can't ever be right?

Heck... I'm hated by a LOT of people... and, I'm ALWAYS right. : )

I seriously fail to see the connection.
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Leary said:
"As for Paul Tate having had a low profile, the guy was serious military intelligence, if he didn't want to be "out there" I respectfully don't share your opinion that the media would have put him "out there" regardless of his desires".

According to the book, Colonel Tate personally interrogated several luminaries, in the manner of Charles Bronson.
Mama Cass, Steve McQueen, etc.
I'm not going to go back and look... but, there are many.
He also strong-armed several lesser names... Doyle, et al.

He interrogated all these folks like "The Godfather"... sometimes trespassing onto their property and all... (even insulting policeman... yet nary an individual ever repeated it?

My friend... I simply don't buy it.
It's a bit exaggerated.

I simply think Debra's less exaggerated version of Colonel Tate... makes much more sense.
It's realistic.

Debra's version is not as exciting for "book fodder", but it makes more sense to me (personally).
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Leary said:
"If one reads Alisa's book as a history text they will rightfully have issues. If one reads it as a memoir they will have less. Harper Collins is a top publishing company and they did vet the book for nine months so unless a specific major and intentional lie is unearthed I say just enjoy the read and accept that it is an imperfect world".

I already said that exact thing.
I said (and I quote):

"The book is a wonderful tribute/remembrance/testament to the Tate family.
It reads easily, like a romance novel.
It’s well-written with great imagery, and elicits great sympathy and emotion.
It’s an enjoyable read.
Alisa can paint a scene with words, very well.
She’s a talented writer.
I’ve only read 92 pages, and I’ve figured that out.
I’ve also figured-out, that although enjoyable… it’s not 100% fact.
There are inconsistencies".


Maybe you missed that part of my commentary.

I agree.
It's a very enjoyable, well-written, "memoir story" (with several embellishments, as Debra suggests), but it's certainly not a "history text".
I agree 100%.

Taken for what it is... it's enjoyable.
I'd personally recommend the book to others.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Leary said...

"Not to get Shakesperean about this but it does seem like a whole lot of much ado about nothing".

I agree.

Let the woman take the fucking lie detector test, or get lost…

Everything else, is just personal opinion…and, as you know... opinions are like assholes… everyone’s got one… and they all stink. LOL

Like I said…
Debra threw down the gauntlet… and, that’s-that.
There’s only one way to solve this bullshit to everyone’s satisfaction … and Debra is willing to pay for it, out of her own pocket.
Kudos to Debra, for having HUGE balls… and putting her money, where her mouth is…

Folks can rail-on about Debra till the cows come home.
All that proves, is that Debra is well-hated.
That fact is so blatantly obvious… it needs no further research.

Problem is...
It has nothing to do with the accuracy, (or lack thereof), of this book, or the accuracy (or lack thereof) of Debra's statement...

I'd rather someone convince this woman (Alisa) to take the lie detector test... than to bore us further with personal opinion.

Take the test...
My final answer...

Venus said...

Katie, I think that Paul Tate was in both the Army and the Navy (look at his uniforms). He chose to make the Army his career.

As for the AWOL comments, please notice that Brie states that, when he went AWOL twice in the "1950's" once was for Sharon's birth (or to see her after her birth). How can they get that wrong? Sharon was born in the 1940's. Innaccuracies such as that makes me very skeptical.

It'd be great if Alisa would take a lie detector test, if only to prove once and for all who is right,her or Debra. However, I don't see that happening.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Hi Colonel.

Colonel asked:
"Does anyone know what Robin Olsen does"?


MattP... one of the regulars here, reported recently that Robin Olsen was listed as Debra's "representative" as of 2005.

And I quote:
"a quick google search tells me that robin olsen was debra tates representitive, at least she was in 2005"

I have nothing further.

Anyone?

leary7 said...

my bad Lynyrd. I wasn't trying to be on the opposite side of the fence from you, I was just venting on why I might lean towards Alisa's perspectives a wee bit more than Debra's. Either or, people's choice. Clearly Debra has some valid points. But like we agree, in the end what does it matter. Lives were destroyed, the world was altered, there's probably a thousand different ways to look at it. The Debra/Alisa thing may be entertaining in the playground spat sense, but in the end it is just a lot of smoke.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

You're right Leary...

Leary said:
"in the end what does it matter. Lives were destroyed, the world was altered, there's probably a thousand different ways to look at it. The Debra/Alisa thing may be entertaining in the playground spat sense, but in the end it is just a lot of smoke".

I couldn't have said it better...

At the end of the day... it's really none of our business...

Lives were ruined, and we debate this stuff many times as entertainment.

Many times... it's in bad taste.

I'm Sorry I got a bit forceful there.

I really have no stake in this, one way or the other...

This blog crap has a way of stressing people out.
It seems every time you voice your opinion (as an administrator), you have to defend it afterwards.
It can be a pain in the ass.

It's all good Leary...

Hopefully... Alisa WILL take the test... and clear her good name.
But, whatever the outcome.... at least it will be over...

I'm really starting to think, Alisa would have been better-off not frequenting the blogs.
Not a lot of good, can generally come of that (blogs), from a professional standpoint.

And...
To the Colonel's credit (Colscott that is)... he DOES invest tons of energy and time researching this stuff for everyone.

I don't always agree with his adament one-sided view... (I'm more "even-keel")... but, I do respect his dedication and longevity.

Peace...

mattprokes said...

the col knows who robin olsen is.
the google search i did led me to a post from his blog.
now hes claiming on his blog that she is vera dreiser
that may very well be but who gives a shit at the end of the day?
none of this gives any insight into why the murders happened.
is'nt that the reason most of us (including the good col)are here?
they(statham and debra tate)should both take lie dectector tests and get all this over with so people can get on with discussing more important things instead of arguing about two women who clearly hate each other.

Venus said...

Interesting idea about them both taking lie detector tests. At the end of the day, families were destroyed for generations due to the acts of 2 nights of terror. The nightmare will never end for them. When people put themselves out there as "experts," whether they're family or not, they have to expect that the public will want to ask questions and expect answers. As the old saying goes, if you don't like the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

MattP said:

"they(statham and debra tate)should both take lie dectector tests and get all this over with so people can get on with discussing more important things instead of arguing about two women who clearly hate each other".

Good point Matt.
Concise, yet profound.
This is starting to feel like, nothing more than a good ol-fashioned cat fight... and, we're all getting sucked into it.
Give them BOTH lie detectors... and let's move-on.

leary7 said...

A friend of mine bought a bar back in the 80's and instead of pinball machines and pool tables he bought an old lie detector and hired someone to operate it on Fri and Sat nites. IT WAS VERY ENTERTAINING.
I've always said the mute button is man's greatest invention but a realiable portable lie detector would trump it. Shoot em up with truth serum and strap em in.

leary7 said...

man, that MattP always seems to have the coolest insights and info. He's gotta have some 'behind closed doors' connections.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

LOLOL

That's too funny Leary.
An at-home lie detector for parties! LOL
Sounds like something that could catch-on at college dorms! LOL

I just noticed that Colonel slung an insult my way.

Craftily concealed at the end of the thread:
The inbreds at Lynyrd Skynyrd are too inebriated to follow this shit anyway".

With all the hoopla, I totally missed that.

Eh... it's probably best I missed the whole thing.
I surely would have told him to go fuck himself, and the whole day woulda went much different.
AHahahaha

I KNOW Katie must have missed it!
She doesn't ignore anything...

The beat goes on...

CarolMR said...

katie, Col. Scott still hasn't answered your question about why, if Debra was disowned, she got her dad's ashes. Did she steal them? Did someone give them to her?

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Jeez...

Colonel is really personalizing this shit over there, huh?

He must be very close friends with Alisa, or something...

As for me...
I paid for the book, so I'm gonna finish it... and write a brief synopsis with Starship...

After that... it's gonna go atop my bookshelf with all the others, and collect dust.

leary7 said...

I'm not trying to change the subject, but it has been raining and miserable here in Austin for the past three days so I have been computer bound and got around to catching up on all the Manson stuff on youtube.
Man, that Charlie is one interesting and charismatic asshole. I love that he calls himself "the village idiot". Picture him in 18th century England, that is exactly what he would have been - the village idiot.
Or Pope. Six one, half dozen.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

LOLOL

Pope.
AHahahaha

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Truth be told...
I'm tiring of the subject anyway Leary.

Talk about whatever the hell you want...

leary7 said...

crap, that zinger on the Col's thread must have been an add on as I didn't see it either.
As someone who has been both celibate and sober for far longer than I care to recall, Col, I must take umbrage at your attack on the good people here. Often you just seem hellbent on offending for offending sake. Tiresome, really.

Venus said...

Carol, Debra answers the question about her dad's ashes in her statement. It's in the section where she discussed her niece.

mattprokes said...

col scott has hated debra tate for many years, i don't think it has anything to do with warm fuzzy feelings toward statham.
i'm curious as to why he even cares what debra tate thinks,says or does about anything.
hes always been about motive so why the hatred for 'orca'?
what debra tate have to do with the facts of the case,the motive,the investigation....or anything?

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Yeah Leary...

Colonel insults anyone who doesn't agree with him whole-heartedly.

I gave my honest opinion on this book situation, with no malice toward anyone.
That's what blogging is...

As for Vera...
She was literally my favorite blogger over there.
She was always very articulate, well-spoken, and well-informed.
Truth be told...
I many times joked with Katie, that (Vera) was Cats! LOL
That's a huge compliment, as Cats is top-notch... second to none.
Barring Cats... I don't know anyone else in blogland, who speaks as well as Vera.

I think Colonel hates Vera, simply because he can't get the best of her.

Vera has been blogging over there for a long time, and has posted on MANY topics.
For Vera to continue a charade THAT long, for the opportunity to involve herself in this "book issue" (now)... seems a bit unlikely to me.
That's a LOT of time invested... as a complete rouge.

Colonel has also accused everyone under the sun of being "Jim" in the past.
He was wrong many times.
I've known Jim for years, and as everyone can attest... I know Jim, the minute he walks in the door... regardless of what name he's using! LOL
(and, he's used several)

Colonel has definitely been wrong in the past, with his identifications.

For the Record:
Vera is wlecome here, if she's interested.
Although... this would be a first... as she's never walked through the door before...

leary7 said...

I think it is just part of his DNA, Matt. People with large egos and an inordinate amount of anger, be it the Col or Charlie himself, seem to fixate their hatred on foes real or imagined, justified or not.
If you piss off an angry narcissist, and Debra did/does seem to have a propensity to piss people off, then you have to expect the full fusillade of insults. Still, like you said, it would be interesting to know exactly what Debra did to occur the Col's unyeilding wrath.

katie8753 said...

>>>Lynyrd said: Craftily concealed at the end of the thread:
The inbreds at Lynyrd Skynyrd are too inebriated to follow this shit anyway".>>>

He must have added that. I don't think it was there before.

I don't give a shit what he thinks. How dare he call Debra Orca when he's fatter than she is.

katie8753 said...

The Col put this in his thread:

>>>One was about Winifred Chapman. In the brilliant new book Restless Souls I learned she had been with Sharon and Roman before Cielo.>>>

Has this guy been living under a rock? We ALL knew that prior to this "brilliant book".

katie8753 said...

Vera is cool.....I wish she would come here!

katie8753 said...

Debra pointed out that the description of the murders at Cielo Drive starting on page 297 is a gross insult.

I made this comment on the previous thread. Statman evidently has ESP and knows exactly how people were feeling that night. She also seems to be privy to conversations held between the killers and victims that no one on earth is privy to.

This was the most ridiculous part of this book.

If you're writing a factual book, please don't make shit up.

leary7 said...

Is he really Katie? I wish I had the behind the scenes info that you and MattP and Lynyrd obviously have. I have been trying to be "ecumenical" to the Col since I do like having him around even if he is ridiculously obnoxious at times. But he does cross the line far to often.
And yeah, I was always a Vera fan too. It will be cool if the Col is in the wrong on this one.

ColScott said...

The Col is never wrong, he doesn't speak if he doesn't know. He also doesn't expect to be spoonfed. For example Katie keeps asking how come Debra got the ashes if her dad hated her. It's because of the law lady. His will demanded a burial in Holy Cross next to his beautiful wife. BUT it turns out that you have to fill out a special for with the health department if you want a non family member to dispose of your body? Did you know that Katie? I didn't. Col Tate didn't. So the ashes went to his daughter Orca and rather than do what is right she hoards them and keeps him away from a proper burial.

Katie could have found that if she just googled the ONLY official blog.

Katie I would trust you to not comment on my weight or even posture- you do not know me and sound stupid.

Lynyrd- That was always on the post, I don't have to edit things to make points. To be frank I was desperately trying to cut you a break. Olsen writes two delusional "Press Releases" and the only place on he world wide web foolish enough to reprint them is this place. So I read your site and it isn't foolish- dense at times but not a total joke- so I was hoping you were drunk off your ass 20 hours a day which would explain what you did. The alternative, that you meant to do that, is far scarier,

katie8753 said...

Hi Venus!

>>>Venus said: Katie, I think that Paul Tate was in both the Army and the Navy (look at his uniforms). He chose to make the Army his career.>>>

I asked Ms. Statman a question about this and she never answered. Maybe she doesn't know the answer.

I was wondering why he would go from the Navy to the Army. Also, how does one go AWOL several times and get promoted to Col?

Lots of missing info there.

katie8753 said...

>>>The Col said: it turns out that you have to fill out a special for with the health department if you want a non family member to dispose of your body? Did you know that Katie? I didn't. Col Tate didn't.>>>

Well if being buried in Holy Cross next to his wife was that important, he should have looked into that. Especially in light of the fact that, as you report, he specifically cut Debra out of his will. I would think that he would have gone to any lengths to make sure his final wishes were carried out by insuring that his ashes would only be available to a certain party.

I would have thought that Col Tate would have used an estate attorney to draw up his will.

katie8753 said...

Col, sorry I called you fat. But you shouldn't call Debra Orca either.

ColScott said...

Katie
Is there a better name? Judas? Harlot? Dancing Baboon?

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Colonel...

I'm really pressed for time right now.

Suffice it to say...
If you treat me respectfully, you will receive the same in return.
Going forward, the choice is yours.
I've never made any effort whatsoever to give you crap.

This is a blog, related to TLB happenings... and this "statement", is very much... a "TLB" happening.
That's why it's here.
If you don't like the document, that's cool with me.

I RARELY censor the comments here.
I generally moderate comments, only when folks stray off-topic.
If you have something negative to say (on-topic) about this document... that's your prerogative.
Go for it!
I have no personal attachment to this "statement"... or any other document on this blog.

Understand..
I don't harbor any personal disdain for either Debra or Alisa.

This is a hobby for me... not a personal investment.
I don't know these folks personally, nor do I want to.

Refrain from personal attacks on me and my bloggers, and you can voice whatever opinion you want here.

I have no idea why you feel the need to pursue, insult, and crusade against a middle-aged woman... who's sister was murdered (i.e., Debra), year after year...

If you answered that one question... it would shed much light on your "modus operatus" for the rest of us.
We might understand "where you're coming from"... as it were.

At any rate...
That's your business, and if you're not inclined to share (your reasons)... I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

I've matched wits with the best of them Colonel.
How we proceed going forward is really up to you.
I've never made any effort to involve myself with you, (or your business)... period.
That's a fact.
You've insulted me without cause... and it's been so noted.

Peace... Lynyrd

PS...
I've made all my thoughts regarding this book, (and the subsequent situation regarding Alisa/Debra) public here, on the blog.
I have no secrets.

If it turns-out, that this "statement" is... in-fact... falsified bullshit, by one Robin Olsen... (and it's provable)... that news will be shared with my readership immediately, as well.
I have no particular "slant" whatsoever.

katie8753 said...

I wonder why the Col has his panties all wadded up about this book.

Maybe Frau Statman promised him a percentage.

katie8753 said...

"I know I can do it", Todd Downey said, helping himself to another ear of corn from the steaming bowl. "I'm sure that in time, every bit of her will be gone.....and her death will be a mystery... even to me."

Secret Window, Secret Garden....Stephen King. Now THAT guy can write. LOL.

katie8753 said...

The Col allows:

"Katie
Is there a better name? Judas? Harlot? Dancing Baboon?"

Why not just call her by her name. Why all this personal affrontery?

Why resort to "name calling".

katie8753 said...

This press release is breaking news in the TLB world. It's one of the biggest things, in my opinion, that's been offered.

Why NOT talk about it? Especially in light of the fact that this "brilliant book" has lots of discrepancies that are easily spotted by any yay-hoo. It doesn't take a whole lot of digging to figure it out.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie asked:
"I wonder why the Col has his panties all wadded up about this book".


Katie...
You'd need a professional psychiatrist to wade through all his motivations.

Evidently, he's convinced this 'statement' was not written by Debra Tate.
He's convinced it was written by a Robin Olsen.
He hates Debra Tate... and evidently, Robin Olsen even more.
He's convinced Vera Dreiser, is Robin Olsen.
He loves Alisa Statman and this book.
He feels this statement is a personal affront to his prior promotion of the book, the Tate family, and his friend Alisa.
It's a mad circle of shit, baggage and emotional investment that doesn't concern me... or you.

Conversely...
All I see, is a f#ckin statement... which will be buried on my blog in no time, by a new thread. LOL

Evidently, because I posted this rag, I've become the bad guy.
I'm not only inebriated, but inbred... and countless other shit.

Katie... you did nothing wrong.
I did nothing wrong.

He's one "Debra Tate document" away from a complete psych ward visit... LOL

Myself... I'm gonna finish this book, and put in on a shelf with the others...

Cheers! LOL

Kimchi said...

On a lighter note, ahhemm, if there is one on this subject... we have tickets to see 'California Dreamin' tomorrow... the last day here in LA..will let you know what we thought of it...

One World Pope said...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

>>>
Colonel insults anyone who doesn't agree with him whole-heartedly.<<<

That's why i've spent years kicking him in the nuts. The sad part is that I think he's come to enjoy it so it doesn't have the same impact anymore.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

((((((((((JIMMY!!!))))))))))

YEE-HAW!!!

You Crazy MotherFucker! LOL

katie8753 said...

Hi Jimmy! Good to see you! LOL.

leary7 said...

I don't know Katie. I agree with you that both the book and Debra's (apparent) objections are worthy of discussion. It just sucks when someone's lack of basic civility both detracts and distracts.
There are folk on these blogs who have combative personalities. Lynyrd is not one of them, though when pushed he, like any true hockey fan, will fight back.
Debra threw down the gauntlet with her lie detector challenge. Man, would it be cool if it was accepted so that just once we could end one of these blog spitball fights with some certainty.
One can dream.

One World Pope said...

mattprokes said...

>>> col scott has hated debra tate for many years<<<

So have I.

In fact, it was Debra Tate and her interference in Leslie Van Houten's parole hearings which forced me to take a stand against Debra and her bullshit.

I also had a bone to pick with those 2 lap dogs that did Debra Tate's bidding; one Chris Simmons and the other A.J. Patierno.

If it were my personal decision, I would order the castration of both of these "things" so that they were no longer capable of breeding.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

One World Pope!
AHahahaha

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Leary said:
"Debra threw down the gauntlet with her lie detector challenge. Man, would it be cool if it was accepted so that just once we could end one of these blog spitball fights with some certainty. One can dream".

You said it Brother!
Just ONCE... I'd love to see ONE question answered definitively on a grand scale.
Just ONE freakin' TIME!
Heck... if Alisa strapped into that machine... I'd give her MAJOR Kudos... regardless of the outcome!
I'd RAVE for months, about the woman who FINALLY put up, and shut up... in blog-ville!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Leary... to illustrate the foolishness of these blogs...

How many times were you accused ravenously, of being "Jim"... the guy that's posting above you???

6? 10? 20?

Saint had you pegged for Jim, for 6 months straight.
I told him 100 times... it's not him! LOL

Ah... memories... LOL

One World Pope said...

ColScott said...

>>>>
Is there a better name? Judas? Harlot? Dancing Baboon?<<<<

Debra was a mean spirited woman who was angry that she never got the opportunity to emerge from her sister's shadow to claim some kind of fame of her own.

In fact, she even abused the victims rights legacy that she inherited from her mother and sister and waged her own "Holy War" against anything and anyone "Manson" related because it was the only way that she could secure some notoriety of her own.

Debra is a tourted soul with no compassion or pity for anyone but herself.

She was unable to get noticed when she took her clothes off in March of 1977 for a cheap Men's Oogler magazine called "Oui" and she's been trying to get people's attention every since and has failed.

Debra Tate is the ugly duckling of the Tate family and is always having to walk behind the memory of both Sharon and Patti Tate.

The Lauren Hastings episode with the dress modeling and the media interview where Debra stated that Susan Atkins slit Sharon's throat was more than enough to prove to me that this cat is crazy.

Now, another book comes out that steals Debra's thunder and puts dirty debbie at the back of the room once again.

Debra Tate has become Mommy Dearest and she doesn't like Wire Hangers.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

((((((((((KIMCHI))))))))))

Great to see YOU!

Yes... change the subject PLEASE!
I'm SO tired of this freakin' book! LOL

Write a brief review of the show... and, I'll post it as a thread.
I don't suppose they allow cameras in there?
A few snapshots of the actors might be cool!

I still have your other thread too...

I think I'm gonna post it tomorrow.
Time to "move on"! LOL

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Jim has the Nazi anthem on his profile! LOL

Freakin' Madman!

CarolMR said...

"Carol, Debra answers the question about her dad's ashes in her statement. It's in the section where she discussed her niece." - Venus

Thanks, Venus. Missed that.

katie8753 said...

Hi Kimchi!

Let us know what you think about that play. Should be interesting!

katie8753 said...

>>>Leary said: I don't know Katie. I agree with you that both the book and Debra's (apparent) objections are worthy of discussion. It just sucks when someone's lack of basic civility both detracts and distracts.>>>

This is true.

Like Lynyrd said, this book is a nice easy read, and if you aren't trying to get closer to the truth, you'll enjoy it. It's written in a woman's style, like a Harlequin novel, and it's one of those you can curl up and read to escape reality, like a Nancy Drew or Bobbsey Twins book.

katie8753 said...

Well Statman made a rebuttal to Debra's press release. She explains some points, not all.

She still hasn't explained where she got the description of the killings at Cielo Drive starting on page 297.

leary7 said...

I've had my battles with Jim and often don't get his sense of humor or world view, but sometimes his posts are dead on. His having dealt with Debra personally gives his portrayal of her serious weight.

leary7 said...

i swear that pun was unintended. i am the last person to make weight jokes.

leary7 said...

I am assuming she just invoked poetic liscense there Katie. There doesn't seem to be any other plausible answer. It's a risky thing to do in a memoir but not uncommon.

katie8753 said...

Hi Leary.

>>>His having dealt with Debra personally gives his portrayal of her serious weight.>>>

I finally figured out what you meant. LOL.

Jimmy has it out for Debra because she attended Leslie's parole hearing and he felt that she didn't have the right to do that. That's back when he was trying to get Leslie out. I guess he still hates Debra.

>>>I am assuming she just invoked poetic liscense there Katie. There doesn't seem to be any other plausible answer. It's a risky thing to do in a memoir but not uncommon.>>>

Well, she says in the book that she got that description from the book Helter Skelter, which isn't true. I've never seen this type of conversational description regarding these murders EVER.

Plus she erroneously stated that Parent was shot 3 times. I simply call that getting the facts wrong.

Leary...did you get the book yet??

One World Pope said...

katie8753 said...
Hi Leary.

>>>
Jimmy has it out for Debra because she attended Leslie's parole hearing and he felt that she didn't have the right to do that. That's back when he was trying to get Leslie out. I guess he still hates Debra. <<<

Debra's appearances at Leslie Van Houten's parole hearings was a self-serving venture on her part.

Never once did Doris or Patti Tate attend a Leslie Van Houten Parole hearing nor did they address the press outside of the parole hearing instead of the LaBianca Family.

This was something that Debra Tate took upon herself which her mother and sister never encroached upon.

Debra Tate decided to involve herself in the parole situation of a women who NEVER harmed the Tate family and that's when i made the personal decision to get personally involved. This is why i also argue that Debra Tate has abused the victims rights legacy that she inherited from her mother and sister and took it upon herself to wage her own personal crusade against anyone connected to the Charles Manson name. This is nothing more than a personal act of vigilantism on the part of the wicked red headed witch from California.

As for Leary, he can take his smart ass comments and stick them up his ass. That red headed bitch knows my name and so does D.A. Sequeira. Fuck them both.

Debra Tate was organizing letter writing campaigns and using the Tate name in order to put pressure on the BPT to prevent Leslie from getting a parole date, and it was NOT because of Debra's concern for "Justice" as she likes to say. It was because she felt that if Leslie was granted a parole date that Susan Atkins would be right behind her so that made Leslie a prime target for Debra's "Agenda".

I put my own ass on the line to try and cut down the bullshit that Debra was doing and naturally I was the one who paid the price for it. No, John Waters did NOTHING. It was Jim that had to fall on the sword. I paid the price for trying to get justice for a "Friend". Fuck that.

This is perhaps the only the topic that Colscott and I are in agreement with and that is that Debra Tate is a vile human being who was obviously on the outs with her own family. That says it all right there.

That red headed skank has the audacity to put on that droopy face during one of Leslie's parole hearings and then literally hijack the media coverage outside of the prison where she does all of the talking when it the LaBianca familys responsibility to make themselves heard.

It's all about Debra and it's all about seizing some of the notoriety that once belonged to her sisters. She and that filthy pig, Roman Polanski, deserve each other.

This whole BS with yet another book serves only as a platform for Debra Tate to try to emerge from the shadows and to make it appear as if she "cares" - and i use that word very loosely.

And for Debra Tate, if you're out there ...... FUCK YOU.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Jim said:
"As for Leary, he can take his smart ass comments and stick them up his ass".

Huh???

Jim...
Leary hasn't made any smart ass remarks towards you.
Moreover, he's one of my favorite bloggers here, and a good friend.

Chill out brother...

I'm very busy today, and don't have time to chaperone.
So, keep it civil...

leary7 said...

yikes, not trying to be a smart ass at all Jim. My comment was intended as a sincere compliment to your post summarizing DT. But I seem to rub you the wrong way regardless on intent so I will refrain from commenting on your posts here on.
I didn't know that Katie. She claimed her account was from HS? I can always count on you to set the facts straight. Gracias.

katie8753 said...

Leary, I would recommend that you read this book if you haven't. That way, you can form your own opinion more definitely, rather than try to piece it together with other people's opinions.

Or if you don't want to buy it, you might can rent it from the library.

leary7 said...

hopefully soon Katie. But none of the book stores here are carrying it nor any of the libraries and I don't buy things over the internet due to having been a victim of identity theft (what a nightmare) and thus paranoid about credit card info being out there. So yeah, my opinions are based on some excerpts that a friend scanned and sent me.
One thing I wish Alisa had done was hire a Manson "expert scholar" like beauders or yourself to fact check the book instead of having some Ivy League wanka at Harper Collins do it. She would have saved herself some grief.

katie8753 said...

HA HA.

Beauders knows a WHOLE lot more about this case than I do, but I agree, she should have used someone more knowledgeable to cover the bases when mentioning facts about this case.

You can go to Barnes & Nobles and order the book if you want. They'll call you when it comes in.

If you're interested that is.

One World Pope said...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand.

I have the Title for what should be Debra Tate's Autobiography.

It's called, "The Winners Lose".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=KBKMHHx_4n0

Ya think it's a game?

One World Pope said...

katie8753 said...

>>>>
You can go to Barnes & Nobles and order the book if you want. They'll call you when it comes in.<<<<

It's as easy as ordering medical marijuana for all of the Manson addicts out there.


leary7 said...

>>>>One thing I wish Alisa had done was hire a Manson "expert scholar" like beauders or yourself to fact check the book instead of having some Ivy League wanka at Harper Collins do it.<<<<

ROFL - "expert scholar". Now that's funny.

Let's see, who do we hire for that job?

Mark Turner? - Nah, Too much of a narcisistic ego maniac who can play both sides of a tennis net all by himself.

White Rabbitt? - Yeah, he'll tell you what's bullshit and what isn't.

Bill Nelson? - No, he's already dead and partying with Susan up in that big ranch in the sky.

Have you seen a movie called "Horse Feathers" with Groucho Marx? There's a great scene where Groucho gives a speech at Huxley college to all of the so-called "expert scholars".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v3
etuIw-aM

"Expert Scholars" - Horsefeathers I say !

If you're dumb enough to actually pay money for this piece of literary trash which is nothing more than a waste of good trees, then you're just a drug addicted Manson cocaine junkie looking for a "New Drug" as Huey Lewis and the News would say.

That's all this book is. It's a "New Drug" for the psycho freaks that curse Manson with every breath but who won't let go of his legacy.

These are same parasites that cruise facebook, twitter and other social networking whore houses looking for photographs and friends lists to feed their junkie habits.

To call these people "Expert Scholars" is like calling John Waters a "Film Director". It's in "Bad Taste" and it "Offends".

It's obvious that Alisa Statman had the hots for Patti Tate. Can't say i blame her as she was a real POA if you know what i mean :-)

But the book ...... we have too many books as it is. We don't need it and it just panders to the crazies who take this shit one step further every time.

All you're doing is giving Debra Tate the opportunity to crawl out from the dark corner of her life and to seek out the further attention that she so shamelessly craves.

Put this dog to rest. It's OVER - FINITO - DONE.

katie8753 said...

Jimmy why don't you go the Col's blog and trash Debra. You will be a welcomed crash.

Maybe you can make a voodoo doll of her and you can both take turns with the pins while moaning and chanting over a chalky fire while drinking absinthe mixed with each other's blood.

katie8753 said...

And lay off Leary. He didn't do anything to you. You're just being a bully now.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

And (unfortunately) we're off...

Katie,

Have you ever tapped into the usually slow, yet often effective powers of "Ignore"? LOL

katie8753 said...

Lynyrd, I've been ignoring all I can. Please check your e-mail.

katie8753 said...

Ring around the rosies, pocket full of posies, ashes, ashes, we all fall down. HA HA HA

katie8753 said...

These Tate fuckers didn't have the problems I have.

They didn't have medical problems at all. They just had a beautiful daughter that got kilt.

Didn't have any car problems or anything like that.

Maybe somebody should write a book about me.

Nobody would read it, but nobody read the other one.

Do a google serach. There's a fucked up jeep in front of my house that worth about $100.

take it. It cost me $4700.

Life is hard sometimes.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie...

Go to bed.

It's been a long week.
I don't need any more crap... and that's all that comes from your late-night ramblings, rumblings, rants and episodes.

Take a Tylenol PM. LOL
-----------------------------------------
"Maybe somebody should write a book about me.
Nobody would read it, but nobody read the other one".


AHahahahaha

I highly doubt, I could find a publisher. LOL

katie8753 said...

Okay I'm going to bed.

katie8753 said...

I get so tired of defending Debra by myself.

Okay I know I'm in the void. I haven't eaten in 24 hours.

whatever.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

She's in the void.

Sometimes... I wish I was in the void. LOL

CarolMR said...

"I get so tired of defending Debra by myself." - katie

I've defended Debra in the past. She may not be perfect. I don't understand her total devotion to Roman no matter what he does. But I'm not in her position. She may have her reasons. I don't understand the hatred for Debra when she has very bravely taken up where Doris left off re the parole hearings. So she went to Leslie's parole hearing - who cares? It doesn't bother me. And, I may be wrong, but I think some members of the LaBianca and Sebring families were grateful for her presence.
As far as her being disowned and disinherited by Col. Tate - I have no idea if that's even true or under what circumstances he may have done that.

Venus said...

Debra's not perfect, none of us are. One fact that cannot be denied is that she's the last surviving member of the immediate Tate family. She clearly knew all of the people involved.

katie8753 said...

Hi Carol & Venus!!! Thanks!!! :)

CarolMR said...

You're very welcome, katie!

"She clearly knew all of the people involved." - Venus

And I think that's the most important point of all.

Venus said...

Debra clearly has issues and that's understandable. Her life was tuened upside down on Aug. 9th, 1969. She's been caught in some incorrect statements in the past and that has really hurt her credibility. I'd still love to sit down and have a chat with her.

Katie, Venus and Carol....the Lynyrdettes 4-Ever!!

CarolMR said...

"Katie, Venus and Carol....the Lynyrdettes 4-Ever!!" - Venus

Very catchy!

Danielle said...

Thanks for your kind words.

Having a passion for crime and justice, I only recently became interested in the sad Tate/LB case and was looking forward to the book release. In doing so I have stumbled into a world of pure hatred, cowardice, and intense internetty feelings for strangers. It's not for me and I shall be exiting.

The Tate family has clearly suffered in ways that, thankfully, most of us will never understand. I'm not ok with a bunch of strangers throwing fruit at them from the cheap seats, for entertainment.

You summed it up when you said that family squabbles are none of our damn business.

You are one of the more measured, decent and reasonable bloggers and it's been a pleasure to read your comments.

I know this: if I were brutally murdererd tomorrow I would hope that my family didn't destroy itself in the aftermath.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Hi Danielle.

It should be clear to everyone, that Debra was indeed traumatized... and any resulting bizarre behavior from her (regardless of how numerous and severe) is a direct result of that victimization.

Unfortunately, instead of being compassionate and understanding, most folks relish in victimizing her further.
Sad really...
I give the woman a pass.
I wish the woman well.

As I said in a previous thread:
I'm sure Debra would be in a totally different "place" both mentally and emotionally, if her sister was never murdered.

Also... given the choice... I'm sure Debra would rather have her sister Sharon alive... as opposed to attending these parole hearings, that everyone jeers her over.

Debra is clearly ill-equipped for these parole hearings, but obviously does it, because she feels it's her duty.

We have to remember, that Debra never asked for this misery.

It's sounds corny, but if you view the photo a couple threads back, of Sharon playing "tetherball" with her sisters... it speaks volumes.
A picture truly is, worth a thousand words sometimes.
It's a happier time, and the sisters obviously loved each other.
That's what's important, and that's what we have to remember...

Danielle...

You are clearly one of the most classy and insightful ladies, I've ever encountered on the blogs.
... and, I've been doing this for longer than I'd care to admit.

Your post the other day, was like a breath of fresh air.

Godspeed to you.
You're welcome here anytime.
It's a pretty tame, welcoming group here.
There's many sweet older ladies.
Katie's kinda wild sometimes... but, she means no harm.
When she freaks-out... just ignore her like everyone else.
Eight hours later... she's fine again! LOL

Best Regards...
Most Sincerely... Lynyrd

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I brought the photo of the three sisters playing forward...

Cease2 said...

Bravo on your revision & commentary on this, Lynyrd. I don't have any horses in the Tate family spat, but agree with giving Debra & any other victims' family members (none of whom we actually know) a break. And her omission from Restless Souls can only be to the books' detriment (notwithstanding that Alisa possibly decided on that course to avoid legal or other trouble, as you point out).

Seems to me that some bloggers unfairly expect all victims' family members to act & behave normally & be completely balanced human beings; but life is not like that, is it?

Every famly has its own varied selection of human types (eccentrics, trouble makers, neurotics, attention seekers, wallflowers, workaholics, wife beaters), mixed in with the more "normal" average Joe types. So, even if Debra has some traits that some find unattractive, she's entitled to her imperfections just like the rest of us. And good luck to anyone who has their problems & quirks, is what I say.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Hi Cease2.

I agree with you, on all counts.
Thanks for your sensible, and very well-stated commentary.
It's always a pleasure to have you on the blog.
I hope to see you more frequently...

Peace... Lynyrd

Mrstormsurge said...

Lynyrd, I never cease to be amazed by your compassion and kindness. Hope you stay off the sauce and me off the titties.

CarolMR said...

Thank you, Lynyrd, for such a thoughtful and balanced commentary on the whole Debra situation.
Tragedy can either bring a family closer together or it can destroy it. I know families who have been broken by someone dying of illness, an act of God, if you will. I can't imagine a family, like the Tates, having to go on "normally" after having a pregnant daughter brutally murdered.
I especially like what you wrote about Debra being unable to "part" with her dad. I can relate to that. My situation was much different, but I lived with my dad my whole life until his death. My siblings did not. When he died I thought I was entitled to his belongings (he had no money), especially his Marine Corps things and his collection of guitars, because I lived with him and took care of him. My siblings thought otherwise and it could have turned into something that may have broken our relationship. I evenutally relented because these things were just that - things. I don't know how I would have felt, though, if my father had ashes and I wasn't able to keep them. I think I probably would have kept them just like Debra did.

Muirmaiden said...

Thank you for your thoughtful analysis of Debra's statement and the situation, Lynyrd. I have nothing against Debra at all, in fact, it bothers me very much to see her attacked by people who don't even know her, and can't begin to know what this situation has been like for her and her family, all these years. I do, however, approach some of the things she says with caution. Memories can become distorted over time to some degree, perhaps this is why some of what she says clashes with the official story. I am grateful that she continues the fight for Sharon and other victims that Doris and Patti began years ago. Debra is a courageous woman and I applaud her for the amount of inner strength she must have to fight such a difficult battle. I may not always agree with some of the statements she makes, but I respect her hard work and dedication for victims of crime.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Thank You Stormsurge, Carol and Muirmaiden.

Your input is always much anticipated and appreciated.

Sincerely, Lynyrd

A.C. Fisher Aldag said...

I'm making the point that Brie Tate is an adult and can make up her own mind about co-authoring a book. Understanding that Debra, and perhaps Patti didn't want her involved, but she is old enough to make her own decisions.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

((((((((((..... AC .....))))))))))

Good to see you!

It's been such a long time.

Warmest Wishes to You and Yours!

Cease2 said...

A nice surprise to see AC here! Gotta love AC.

Venus said...

I agree with the above statments. I've never had anything against Debra nor do I have a problem with Alisa. Only they know what separates them and I respect that it's their business. As Carol said, tragedy can ruin families and that seems to be exactly what has happened here. I wish them the best and hope that maybe someday the fractured family can be repaired.

Muirmaiden said...

I agree with A.C. and Venus about Brie and Alisa. I have no problem with them either. It's just hard to know what to believe. But I will say that the fact that they, along with Debra, continue to put the names of Sharon and the other victims out there, can only benefit in getting support for keeping the killers behind bars. It's a shame that Debra is estranged from her family, for whatever the reasons may be. As I've said before, hopefully there will be a reconciliation somewhere down the line.