tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post886103962323604760..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger103125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-60622440145874018732015-09-18T14:37:08.837-04:002015-09-18T14:37:08.837-04:00I'm trying to knock the book into shape so I c...I'm trying to knock the book into shape so I can print it, bind it and have it on the bookshelf alongside the others.<br />I'm up to the "Who is Charles Watson ?" chapter. Thus far, I've not been particularly impressed; the author jumps around like they can't keep their mind on the one thing they're talking about at that time. I've come across quite a bit of inaccurate information too. <br />But it is useful because there are snippets of info here that are collected in one place.<br />The book does feel like too much is being crammed in but these are early days yet....grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-50246476200084964882015-07-09T19:46:08.237-04:002015-07-09T19:46:08.237-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Shawn Sutherlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00014964864633863621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-62411919953686923102012-11-21T04:44:24.365-05:002012-11-21T04:44:24.365-05:00I've gotten to the half way point in this book...I've gotten to the half way point in this book<br />It's well worth reading be prepared for technical difficulties though it's frozen up<br />Several times but hey you can't beat the price of admissionAjerseydevilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307773867621679673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-69220604085688867062012-11-04T06:49:35.453-05:002012-11-04T06:49:35.453-05:00Katie, both Charlie and the girls and others have ...Katie, both Charlie and the girls and others have made it clear how the Family was gathered. Charlie knew how to listen. In every way, but especially emotionally and sexually. He didnt just jump on a girl and bang away at her. He understood most girls are pretending when they say that's good. He listened, he observed and as Susan said "He gave himself completely" As Juanita said "He was very tender, the most phenomenal lover I ever had".<br />And the girls were hurting from their home treatment, where nobody listened to them "Get in the background" as they put it. This goes for the men too, but more for the girls. Charlie let them talk and paid attention. He didnt pretend to listen, and nod and then suddenly say "Hey, you got great eyes, or nice tits, or how about a sandwich", he actually listened. He treated them as people, not objects. He gave them love, and real attention, and wonderful sex, just imagine. It's not easy to come by. How many times I have sat with a man, and he's done all the bloody talking, never listens to a word I say and when I say I must leave, explodes with "that was a waste of an hour!" It's horrible to be treated like that. It really upsets me. It makes me feel like an object, like me, I myself, I don't exist, i'm just a collection of fleshy bits and a hole. <br /><br /> I can see I'd have liked Charlie. And when we like people we want to make them happy and share: what the girls could share was their housecleaning and cooking and the guys could share car mending and stuff. It wasn't the design of a pimp. A pimp figures this stuff. He targets. He looks for 'new game'. Try finding a book called Silky, A year in the life of a pimp. Very eye-opening, and not like Charlie. <br /><br />The biggest tragedy is the loss of Charles Manson. he had a lot to give, a philosophy to share. And he was driven to bitterness and violence by law enforcement which would not leave him to live in peace, and he also found himself in a hippy society where the rules of behaviour had been rapidly crumbled away by drugs and experimental living. Destroying everything they'd been raised to believe in the name of freedom, but not replacing it all with other standards, only the 'drop out, do what feels good' one. Look how very very fast the violence began in Haight Ashbury. Police, drugs, hippy freedom: altogether, a bad atmosphere to start pushing a man who had a lot of hidden rage but who had tried to offer love and peace, as everyone says he did in the early days. Who is responsible for turning Charles Manson bad?fiona1933https://www.blogger.com/profile/00041216158548547908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-66501272761533324422012-10-22T12:26:54.918-04:002012-10-22T12:26:54.918-04:00A Sonny Barger reference? By Diligaf no less!
We...A Sonny Barger reference? By Diligaf no less!<br /><br />We should talk...starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-65745568461563504232012-10-22T10:05:33.394-04:002012-10-22T10:05:33.394-04:00Spot on leary, I agree with you on the work. and ...Spot on leary, I agree with you on the work. and Thank you for putting this together Mr. Harrison. It's good and thought provoking and makes a more rational reasoning for all this craziness. Hopefully more of these works will surface in the future. The holy grail might just be that book that the girls were rumored to be working on before Squeaky went after Ford.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-3737325035153940652012-10-20T21:10:58.485-04:002012-10-20T21:10:58.485-04:00Hi Mr. Harrison... glad to make your acquaintance....Hi Mr. Harrison... glad to make your acquaintance.<br />Thanks for visiting our blog.<br /><br />I'll have to give your compilation a read, when I get the chance.<br /><br />I don't generally like to post books without reading them first (for obvious reasons)... and secondly, without locating the author.<br />However in this case, Josh (one of our regulars) had asked me weeks ago, to post your work ... and since I wasn't sure how to go about locating the author... and reading the book myself is realistically weeks away... I figured, what the heck... I'll just post it.<br />It doesn't seem any harm was done.<br />I apologize for any inconvenience.<br />I've updated the main thread, to indicate you, as author.<br /><br />Feel free to join us in conversation, anytime.<br />Thanks Again, for stopping by!<br /><br />Peace!LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-5135658222716764322012-10-20T17:52:05.419-04:002012-10-20T17:52:05.419-04:00This was never meant to be a book or released. It ...This was never meant to be a book or released. It is only a package of info I copied from many sites and words I hi-lited in many books over many years. Much of it was lifted from sites intentionally because I liked what they had to say. What was put in here was all of one-tenth of what I had saved up over the years. It was put together and some others was gracious enough to edit it and someone else made a cover for the book. There's no real author because all of this information was, if you want to use legal definition, plagiarized as a resource. I'm not out for anything but to have this for people to read. I had a good amount of people asking me to do this and I did it. I have seen two other people credited as the author and it is partly true since things they wrote were included as well as a hundred more. J. Howie Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03203081802296506637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-65923747423774453122012-10-20T11:47:39.039-04:002012-10-20T11:47:39.039-04:00I finished the book too and agree 100% with Sunset...I finished the book too and agree 100% with Sunset's review. I enjoyed reading it allot more than I thought I would.<br />The book does effectively raise the thought of Manson being more of a third-base coach than the manager of TLB. Sorry for the baseball analogy, but that is clearly what Charlie wants. In order to buy into that construct believing three things seem necessary to me...<br />1. Watson's actions were much more self-motivated that HS theorizes.<br />2. Linda was much more of an instigator and all-around evil scumbag than HS allows.<br />3.Robbery and/or drug burn revenge dwarfed the race war theory as motive.<br />It really is not hard to buy into those three perceptions. <br />And what the hell, it gives us something to talk about.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-24999463695182369702012-10-20T09:34:11.231-04:002012-10-20T09:34:11.231-04:00here's 100 Lynyrd!!!! You're psychic man!...here's 100 Lynyrd!!!! You're psychic man!!! The "family" used tons of Panther verbage. I believe that Debra Tate and the cops are stirring the pot and adding pressure to get those tapes released. I kinda found it odd (ok, maybe funny too) that they decided to interview Deb in some parking lot in the dark. 12 bodies now? If she's heard all this info, why not say anything til you're hangin out in some parking lot in LA at night with your news crew buddies? I think that's the first I've heard of 12.....anyone else ever heard that number thrown about? The most I think I've ever heard is 3, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-40902889057658703412012-10-20T01:28:32.158-04:002012-10-20T01:28:32.158-04:00Kimchi, if interested in the SLA and the "lat...Kimchi, if interested in the SLA and the "late trial", I highly recommend the documentary DVD, "Guerrilla: The Taking Of Patty Hearst" ...if you haven't already seen it.<br /><br />Great doc, with bonus footage of said "late trial".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-83737621612167393222012-10-19T22:23:27.900-04:002012-10-19T22:23:27.900-04:00I've been researching the black panthers and w...I've been researching the black panthers and white panthers....didn't know there was such thing until recently...<br /><br />The Manson tribe sure used their "philosophy" or verbiage... I am going to read up on the SLA....wonder if there's any similarities... Just thinking out loud...Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-50597902071438546312012-10-19T22:12:42.979-04:002012-10-19T22:12:42.979-04:00Dill thanks! I thought all tapes were transcribed...Dill thanks! I thought all tapes were transcribed. I used to do transcribing back in the 70's. Well, what do I know?<br /><br />I agree, the punishment might not be that harsh, but that's for a judge or jury to decide.<br /><br />Yes I agree, Gypsy should be behind bars. But even more...Mary should be. She helped kill Gary and never got punished for that. <br /><br />Kimchi that Debra Tate stuff at Barkers. That's pushing the envelope. As much as I like Debra, I think she needs to take sleeping pills and dream. Oh...maybe she already did.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-17263312940848923272012-10-19T22:02:30.201-04:002012-10-19T22:02:30.201-04:00Debra Tate is claiming 12 buried at Barkers....hav...Debra Tate is claiming 12 buried at Barkers....have no idea where she's getting that number, but I'm not an insider to the case...Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-39926193718917301932012-10-19T21:58:08.451-04:002012-10-19T21:58:08.451-04:00Ooh Mr. Dill, you are so right!! I had forgotten ...Ooh Mr. Dill, you are so right!! I had forgotten about the SLA late trials... as I call them...<br /><br />But there were no unsolved murders involved with those, correct?<br /><br />Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-10613471447093347042012-10-19T21:51:22.692-04:002012-10-19T21:51:22.692-04:00Kimchi,
I was watching the news live when that ha...Kimchi,<br /><br />I was watching the news live when that happened last night, it was definately an "ew" moment...<br /><br />Katie,<br /><br />I do not think that the tapes have been transcribed yet. If the LAPD is successful in obtaining posession of the tapes, yes, a transcription most certainly would occur, but not until posession is gained.<br /><br />As far as Grogan, it would be no different than any other suspect on newly acquired charges, but not for anything related to the Shea homicide.<br /><br />Now, the challenge will be, if information is garnered from these tapes, an arrest is made, the tapes withstand an evidentiary challenge, you are then faced with either a trial, or a plea. Either way, do not expect long sentences to be given 40 years later. Reference Kathleen Soliah (aka Sara Jane Olson), on the run for over 25 years. Both the sentences for Conspiracy, and subsequently, for murder, were a result of a plea, which reduced her time. Add to that, the sentences were concurrent, not consecutive, and she ended up spending less that a decade behind bars. The SLA was as big a story, and threat to society, as was the Manson murders, but over time, the demand for punishment seems to diminish. I personally do not agree, but then I never had the corner office making such decisions. That being said, I would welcome seeing Gypsy behind bars, as well as many others. Catherin Share, to me, is like Watson, only she has re-invented herself on the outside, spinning stories to which she was only a bystander. I'm not buying it...Dilligafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07052411066646010067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-28409174625530549052012-10-19T21:43:51.278-04:002012-10-19T21:43:51.278-04:00Could be Katie, ya never know...Could be Katie, ya never know...Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-86809294000443546602012-10-19T21:37:25.768-04:002012-10-19T21:37:25.768-04:00Kimchi, maybe that cockroach is Susan Atkins reinc...Kimchi, maybe that cockroach is Susan Atkins reincarnated and having her last laugh because she wasn't rehabilitated and she's back to her old self. HA HA.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-48832047618187063432012-10-19T21:20:31.654-04:002012-10-19T21:20:31.654-04:00Excuse my sense of humor here, but Backporch Tapes...Excuse my sense of humor here, but Backporch Tapes captured a video of a cockroach running over the shoulder of the NBC reporter doing the story of the Tex tapes last night...LOL...<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKMFrwCeklA<br /><br />No, it's not doctored, it's real!!Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-55684237666436101412012-10-19T20:48:38.241-04:002012-10-19T20:48:38.241-04:00I just finished "The Manson Myth".
One ...I just finished "The Manson Myth".<br /><br />One thing that struck me is the sources Howard used. Star City Radio, online blogs, YouTube videos, books by family members, things I'm all pretty familiar with. However, he did mention several books I haven't read, and apparently, he's talked to Manson, he said he talked to him just before his last trip to the "hole". He also mentions correspondence with Manson, Davis, and Watson. <br /><br />The glaring negative about this book for me was that he tried to cover WAY too much info and theories in a single book. The 40+ year saga of the Manson family and it's multiple members, is too much to try to cover in a single book in my opinion. <br /><br />He did have some interesting theories (although there were several I considered dubious), and his knowledge of the case and people involved was pretty comprehensive. <br /><br />Most regulars of these blogs won't find much if anything new in that book. However, there were 3 or 4 stories I was unfamiliar with, but I haven't been following this case as closely for as long as many people have. On a scale of 10, I'd give it maybe a 7.sunset77https://www.blogger.com/profile/04041729222425015567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-53407878861786231872012-10-19T20:44:24.216-04:002012-10-19T20:44:24.216-04:00Hi Dill!
>>>You have a 40 year audio tap...Hi Dill!<br /><br />>>>You have a 40 year audio tape of which we do not know the audio quality. You have to rely soley on someone's listening and interpreting what they heard. Both of these are areas that would be challenged by defense counsel.>>><br /><br />Would these tapes have been transcribed? That would clear up any audio difficulties...or would it?<br /><br />Leary, I would love to be a fly on the wall for these Manson folks who got off scot free and are trying to live a "normal" life. Will they someday get that knock on the door with an arrest warrant? After all these years.<br /><br />Would that even affect Grogan? Are there other murders he was involved in? <br /><br />The list of perps is endless.<br /><br />I just wonder how many people are now sitting on pins and needles awaiting the outcome of the disposition of these tapes. People who were never charged with anything who may have been involved in murder or covering up of murder. Burying bodies, hiding or burning evidence. <br /><br />We know all the "love of children" is a crock of baloney, so what else were these people capable of? Even sweet girls like Ruth or Kitty?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-27356629913085583202012-10-19T20:13:15.880-04:002012-10-19T20:13:15.880-04:00Leary,
It would not be hearsay, but yes, you are ...Leary,<br /><br />It would not be hearsay, but yes, you are correct that it would lead to huge evidentiary issues. You have a 40 year audio tape of which we do not know the audio quality. You have to rely soley on someone's listening and interpreting what they heard. Both of these are areas that would be challenged by defense counsel.<br /><br />We do not know what the outcome will be. We do not know if it will lead to a body discovery, or to the ability to make an arrest of a cold case. What we do know is that any case that may arise as a result of these recordings, will not result in a quick resolution, but we should not let that deter us, as any cold case closed is good for society and good for a family.<br />Dilligafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07052411066646010067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-77741508263897369732012-10-19T19:12:54.980-04:002012-10-19T19:12:54.980-04:00Just a guess here, but if the police don't pos...Just a guess here, but if the police don't possess the tapes would they then not be admissible in court. or more accurately, what they heard on the tapes be not admissible if unaccompanied by the actual tapes?<br />Mr Dill???<br />Would it be just like hearsay evidence?<br />But Bobby is right, something fishy about Tex being so willing to let LAPD listen to them. It makes one pessimistic there is any real substance on the tapes.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-16040888945213026332012-10-19T16:58:38.894-04:002012-10-19T16:58:38.894-04:00Bobby I was thinking the same thing. The LAPD cou...Bobby I was thinking the same thing. The LAPD could just make copies and give them back. What difference does it make?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-16676485109281589062012-10-19T12:16:58.991-04:002012-10-19T12:16:58.991-04:00Holy crap, a real possibility of an Act II in the ...Holy crap, a real possibility of an Act II in the Manson saga, forty odd years after the fact. What a trip if there were to be investigations and subpoenas that brought folk like Nancy and Mary and Ruth Ann and others out of the woods.<br />Man, I hope there is some real fire on those tapes and not just a bunch of smoke.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.com