tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post8537085134164534783..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-81571875704908940662012-01-17T08:38:49.332-05:002012-01-17T08:38:49.332-05:00Wasnt it Patricia the one who put the fork in Leno...Wasnt it Patricia the one who put the fork in Leno's stomache just to watch it wobble back and forth and gleefully talked about how fun it was? or do i have her mixed up with one of the other skanks, if it was her, she is right were she needs to stay!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-32973373079704759162011-12-05T10:06:30.832-05:002011-12-05T10:06:30.832-05:00long live FREE KATIElong live FREE KATIEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-25985377385491396382011-08-24T15:37:10.486-04:002011-08-24T15:37:10.486-04:00Hi Katie! :) Even the fact that she does latch ont...Hi Katie! :) Even the fact that she does latch onto guys doesn't necessarily mean she is not sorry. Let's face it, no-one wants to sit in prison for the rest of their life.Not saying she is or isn't, I don't know. I guess only she will truly know how she feels. Such a sad waste though. A lot of those girls were smart, pretty and had a lot of potential to make a positive success of their lives...whiskybeautyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17460114461900962117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-38117720719396161622011-08-24T14:51:53.706-04:002011-08-24T14:51:53.706-04:00Whiskey Beauty, I really have my doubts about Lesl...Whiskey Beauty, I really have my doubts about Leslie. I have always been of the opinion that she was just born a "bad seed". She mouths the words "I'm sorry" but her eyes don't say it.<br /><br />But even more, she's still trying to control men to get her way. She's gone from man to man to champion her and get her out, and I'm pretty sure that if that had ever happened, she would have dropped that guy like a hot potato.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-69435571538028577912011-08-24T14:49:27.230-04:002011-08-24T14:49:27.230-04:00Hi Whiskey Beauty! Hi Andy!
Pat was definitely h...Hi Whiskey Beauty! Hi Andy!<br /><br />Pat was definitely hairy, and I guess it was a big joke among the family members. They seemed to make sport of her quite a bit for it. The sad thing is that her parents could have taken her to a doctor and gotten treatment for it probably with hormones. I'm assuming that was available back then. Something like that can really ruin self esteem while in high school.<br /><br />I think that after Patricia was arrested in October at Barker's, she was released into her father's custody. She stayed with him for a while, then moved to Alabama to be near her mother. Although I believe she was living with her aunt when she was arrested there.<br /><br />I'm sure she was running scared, because I'm sure that THEN she probably remembered every detail of what she did, although in later years, it seems that it got fuzzy.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-57834655671764379332011-08-23T18:32:33.880-04:002011-08-23T18:32:33.880-04:00i must say im in full agreement on the issue of Pa...i must say im in full agreement on the issue of Pat. As I wrote in my almost never used and even less read blog the first post I made, I do believe Pat is the most remorseful. Maybe the only one who truly feels remorse. not just cause she got caught, but genuine remorse for what she did. Unfortunately you cant take that back though. It's a shame cause as horrible as the crime she totally commited is, in a lot of ways she's definitely a victim herself. Her obvious low self esteem made her an easy target for CM. I don't know how many or if any of the stories about her being hairy are true, but in plenty of pictures she looks fine. I dont think she was an ugly girl. It's just a shame. she wasted lives and also her own. I've read the stories of when she got picked up in Alabama, she saw the detectives sitting in a car by her house and had a big hat on which she pulled low over her face. Imagine the feeling in her gut when she knew that her time had come. <br />I forget offhand, was there any mention of why she'd left CA and went back home? She was definitely a diehard family member, i cant remember reading why or when she took off. Anyone?andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04210260371447492426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-61231233627109630822011-08-22T07:26:51.364-04:002011-08-22T07:26:51.364-04:00It's hard to tell if someone is genuinely remo...It's hard to tell if someone is genuinely remorseful. In the past, I've thought so-and-so is, so-and-so isn't, etc. etc. I'm more unsure now, simply because people communicate in a variety of ways and some may be better at concealing their true feelings than others. I am not suggesting that Pat is not sorry, she may well be. But by the same token, so may Leslie. You can still be sorry for what you did whilst feeling anger at how your life turned out, hence perhaps the comments she makes blaming Charlie. We blame him too, don't we?Is it surprising she does? Again, Leslie may be sorry or she may not. I don't know. However, I do feel both are always going to be kept in jail, no matter how much good they may be doing now or how sorry they may be. Theoretically they are meant to have a chance at parole but I think we all know that no parole board wants to face the sh*t they'd get if they did parole them, so it doesn't matter how hard either woman tries. And in that respect, I think it is unfair on them. Don't have all these hearings if deep down they're not going to be released.Not to mention the fact that the victims' families have to sit through the details over and over again and be subjected to it all again.whiskybeautyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17460114461900962117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-19520662375409132572011-08-12T12:00:39.202-04:002011-08-12T12:00:39.202-04:00>>>Marliese said: Great point. It may ha...>>>Marliese said: Great point. It may have been Charlie helping himself to the beach in the vicinity of Esalen, twinkie truck on the side of the road.>>><br /><br />HA HA HA. That's right.<br /><br />Somehow, the thought picture of Charlie being in a twinkie truck just makes me bust a seam laughing. <br /><br />I could just see him in an ice cream truck, playing "Mary Had a Little Lamb" on the loudspeaker. <br /><br />HEE HEE!!!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-35441713212942638642011-08-12T11:32:55.315-04:002011-08-12T11:32:55.315-04:00beauders said...<<<<
i was wondering i...beauders said...<<<<<br />i was wondering if anyone at esalen that weekend came forward and said manson was rejected? i know i haven't seen it. could it be manson just used that as an excuse and it never happened.<<<<<<br /><br /><br /><br />Great point. It may have been Charlie helping himself to the beach in the vicinity of Esalen, twinkie truck on the side of the road.Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-62250300762000492152011-08-12T11:12:08.425-04:002011-08-12T11:12:08.425-04:00>>>Beauders said: i was wondering if any...>>>Beauders said: i was wondering if anyone at esalen that weekend came forward and said manson was rejected? i know i haven't seen it. could it be manson just used that as an excuse and it never happened.>>><br /><br />That's very possible Beauders. The only one who has ever mentioned that was Manson, and I don't think he even went into an explanation of it. And we all know he's a liar too.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-54484301579824991682011-08-12T11:10:52.253-04:002011-08-12T11:10:52.253-04:00Marliese, I agree that Susan and Leslie didn't...Marliese, I agree that Susan and Leslie didn't really grasp the notion of "I did wrong", and possibly never will.<br /><br />Leslie always maintained that she was ordered by Tex to "do something".<br /><br />"I only stabbed a dead lady 16 times." HELLO!! Isn't that enough? Leslie has never really taken responsibility for her actions, to this day. She's still trying to use her wiles on man after man to get her out. Pathetic.<br /><br />And I feel sorry for Susan the way she had to grow up fast when she was young, but that's not an excuse for murder. The problem with Susan was, that she lied so much, who can believe anything she says? All that born again stuff...just a way to get out of there.<br /><br />Tex Watson is just a sorry excuse for a human being. He's a liar too. He needs to just stay put until he breathes his last.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-60154298621500432062011-08-12T11:06:40.007-04:002011-08-12T11:06:40.007-04:00Lynyrd I think that one of the reasons Crowe never...Lynyrd I think that one of the reasons Crowe never reported that Charlie shot him was because he was afraid of Charlie, like so many others who have said they were afraid of him too.<br /><br />>>>8/9 Baby said: When he was not received at this "enlightenment center" as a wise man with songs of truth to awaken the world, and instead treated like a crazy man (or as they liked to say, "too heavy" and "intense"), it was another spark.>>><br /><br />I agree 8/9 Baby. I think that many events, starting with Crowe's shooting, probably escalated Charlie into a murderous frenzy on August 8/9. Charlie didn't like rejection....we all know that!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-3137984956063465562011-08-12T03:45:28.529-04:002011-08-12T03:45:28.529-04:00i was wondering if anyone at esalen that weekend c...i was wondering if anyone at esalen that weekend came forward and said manson was rejected? i know i haven't seen it. could it be manson just used that as an excuse and it never happened.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-29561793608191843382011-08-12T03:19:31.325-04:002011-08-12T03:19:31.325-04:008/9 baby said...>>>>
True, it was not ...8/9 baby said...>>>><br />True, it was not the only catalyst. I think Charlie's trip to Esalen, with the Schramm girl right before the murders, was another. <<<<<<br /><br /><br />Yes, maybe so. <br /><br />I do think it's possible the Crowe shooting may have been a catalyst for Gary's murder...paranoid Charlie wanted money he thought Gary had to get to the desert away from the risk of retaliation for Crowe, so he left anyway...rejected at Esalen, bobby's in jail, Mary and Sandy arrested....<br /><br />maybe so...Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-73208628084015716902011-08-12T02:53:34.386-04:002011-08-12T02:53:34.386-04:008/9 baby said...>>>>
Gotta say, i agr...8/9 baby said...>>>> <br />Gotta say, i agree Pat is the most grounded and human of them. Leslie always seemed to think it was all a mistake that she was seen as a killer deserving of life in prison. <<<<<<br /><br /><br />I get that from Leslie also.<br /><br />After her second trial ended with a hung jury and she was tried a third time, i think she may have hoped she was done, that she'd be convicted of second degree and sentenced to time served. <br /><br />Her father told larry king she should never have been convicted of first degree murder...<br /><br />I'd like to hope Pat Krenwinkel will see a bit of freedom one day...she'll be almost seventy when she's eligible to apply again, after nearly 50 years and a perfect prison record...Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-72943543875634096382011-08-12T00:27:50.141-04:002011-08-12T00:27:50.141-04:00True, it was not the only catalyst. I think Charl...True, it was not the only catalyst. I think Charlie's trip to Esalen, with the Schramm girl right before the murders, was another. When he was not received at this "enlightenment center" as a wise man with songs of truth to awaken the world, and instead treated like a crazy man (or as they liked to say, "too heavy" and "intense"), it was another spark. A sign that harsher tactics were necessary, or that the world was against him? Maybe.8/9 babyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12121677564843056444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-63936679749421467562011-08-12T00:10:02.091-04:002011-08-12T00:10:02.091-04:00((((((((((LURCH))))))))))
Lurch said:
>>>...((((((((((LURCH))))))))))<br /><br />Lurch said:<br />>>>>"And not to split hairs, but Crowe wasn't shot in the chest......he was shot in the gut.".<<<<<br /><br />Well... considering that Crowe looked about 6 foot 4... and Manson was about 5 foot 4... I'd say a "gut shot", DOES sound more accurate!! hahaha <br /><br />Great to see ya Bro!!LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-39743963814239797282011-08-12T00:07:13.122-04:002011-08-12T00:07:13.122-04:008/9 Baby said:
>>>>"Ironic, becau...8/9 Baby said:<br />>>>>"Ironic, because I think his run in with Charlie was the catalyst that accelerated the Family's paranoia to violent levels. If it wasn't Crowe, it may have been someone or something else. But it w a s Crowe. He should be remembered for that, if nothing else".<<<<<br /><br />Great Point(s) Baby!!<br />I agree... Manson's run-in with Crowe was a catalyst (maybe not THE catalyst)... <i>but, a major catalyst nonetheless</i>... which accelerated things, in the wrong direction...<br /><br />The beginning of the end? LOLLynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-14956608580437774802011-08-12T00:02:10.962-04:002011-08-12T00:02:10.962-04:00I think Crowe kept the whole incident/crime... as ...I think Crowe kept the whole incident/crime... as "hush-hush" as possible... because, he was guilty of crimes himself... and likely figured... if their was too much "talk"... he'd end-up in jail... as well as shot. LOL<br />So... he "took his lumps" and kept his lips sealed.<br /><br />Also... criminals are generally involved with other criminals.<br />Too much talk, may have exposed other "friends"... and, he may have feared being shot again (by someone else)! LOL<br /><br />If he started blabbing... the guy could have ended-up shot TWICE, AND JAILED! LOL<br /><br />What a tangled web we weave... as criminals.<br />When you're a criminal... you sometimes can't report crimes.<br /><br />Example: It's like if a guy doesn't report his car stolen... 'cuz he has $1,000 worth of heroin, under the seat.<br /><br /><b>I KNOW... Crowe's shooting was known to police... public... and made newscasts and interviews.<br /><br />I'm just saying... I think Crowe said (and did),... as little as he possibly could (intentionally)... for personal reasons... and that's ALSO why... he may not have received as much notoriety/sympathy... as one might expect (otherwise).<br />I don't think he wanted notoriety.<br /><br />Just a thought...</b>LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-67662164182309013182011-08-11T23:48:20.399-04:002011-08-11T23:48:20.399-04:00Hey L/S!
It's nice to be missed! :)
I've ...Hey L/S!<br />It's nice to be missed! :)<br />I've been "lurking", but haven't had time to post, it's a busy time 'round here. But have no fear, Lana Kane is on the case! <br /><br />Lots of excellent posts lately, and now that I've recovered from my b-day celebration, you'll be hearing from me... :)8/9 babyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12121677564843056444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-87127180790123906362011-08-11T23:47:24.995-04:002011-08-11T23:47:24.995-04:00Hey L/S!
I can see your point.....Crowe was no an...Hey L/S!<br /><br />I can see your point.....Crowe was no angel, but his life was definitly impacted by Manson. So why not include him in the list of victims?<br /><br />And not to split hairs, but Crowe wasn't shot in the chest......he was shot in the gut. The bullet ended up near his spine, and was safer to leave it there than to remove it.<br /><br />Peace out y'all, be good humanslurchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13117542708565859578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-64626345051105031222011-08-11T23:39:51.227-04:002011-08-11T23:39:51.227-04:00Yeah, Crowe never gets mentioned as a victim, and ...Yeah, Crowe never gets mentioned as a victim, and yet he was actually shot by Charlie. I think there's no doubt that being shot in the chest by some crazy hippie mofo had a detrimental effect on his life and health. So why is he usually left out?<br /><br />Some ideas that occur to me: <br />First, he wasn't killed, directly. Then, in his case, it really was a drug deal gone bad - trouble brought on by his own criminal acts. Plus, he was a black man, and the fact is, his life is regarded as less precious in the collective mindset. Also, as far as I know, he and his family never sought recognition for him as a victim.<br /><br />Put it all together, and no one really remembers Bernard "Lotsapoppa" Crowe, not as a victim. Ironic, because I think his run in with Charlie was the catalyst that accelerated the Family's paranoia to violent levels. If it wasn't Crowe, it may have been someone or something else. But it w a s Crowe. He should be remembered for that, if nothing else.8/9 babyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12121677564843056444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-44462624574316748452011-08-11T23:16:10.440-04:002011-08-11T23:16:10.440-04:00...still love the avatar!!! : )...still love the avatar!!! : )LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-53908213222743102722011-08-11T23:15:18.409-04:002011-08-11T23:15:18.409-04:008/9 Baby!!!!!!!!!
I was starting to think, we los...<b>8/9 Baby!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />I was starting to think, we lost "Super Sexy Lana Cane" forever!!!<br />LOLOL<br /><br />Hope all is well...<br />Great to see you!</b>LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-57372034617742513242011-08-11T23:11:05.934-04:002011-08-11T23:11:05.934-04:00Nice quotes, L/S.
Gotta say, i agree Pat is the ...Nice quotes, L/S. <br />Gotta say, i agree Pat is the most grounded and human of them. Leslie always seemed to think it was all a mistake that she was seen as a killer deserving of life in prison. Susan just seemed to be running from what she did. Pat has always seemed to accept the mistake was hers - for whatever reason, she took human life, and in a horrible fashion. She was brought low, and she owns it.<br /><br />I have always said, these people were sentenced to death; they got all the mercy they deserve when their sentences were commuted. They have had plenty of time to redeem themselves in prison. Some have. The reward is not freedom, but just that they can die knowing they managed to do a little good after doing such evil. I respect Pat, Susan, and Leslie for making the most of their time, trying to help other women. But I say, they should forget about release, and thank God every day they wound up living their lives somewhere where the worst of themselves couldn't run away with them.8/9 babyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12121677564843056444noreply@blogger.com