tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post8338482327723419416..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger144125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-34892567776132095372011-10-09T12:53:52.417-04:002011-10-09T12:53:52.417-04:00Hi Sbuch. I was asking the question about why it ...Hi Sbuch. I was asking the question about why it was in 2nd gear because Kimchi had indicated that it was an automatic transmission. Being automatic, I was wondering why he didn't put it in park.<br /><br />But, if it is indeed a standard transmission, I can see why he would put it in 2nd gear...to keep it from rolling.<br /><br />I agree, it's hard to see all the way to the left to see if there is a clutch or not.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-69587884277947531762011-10-09T11:45:07.063-04:002011-10-09T11:45:07.063-04:00Hi Katie.....You asked, Why put the car into 2nd, ...Hi Katie.....You asked, Why put the car into 2nd, Why not put it in park.<br /><br />That's what I'm saying. Standard Transmissions don't have a park geer........you just put it in geer, turn off the key, take your foot off the clutch, same as park, it aint going nowhere.<br />All accounts say the car was found in second forward.<br />In the crime scene pics only two pedals can be seen......but from the angle of the shot you can't see all the way to the left of the brake pedal.sbuch113https://www.blogger.com/profile/01794368422535955408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-22652617964463086732011-10-09T08:49:53.755-04:002011-10-09T08:49:53.755-04:00Hi Beauders!
I know the women don't know anyt...Hi Beauders!<br /><br />I know the women don't know anything about motive. In fact, I don't think any of them really knows about motive except for Charlie.<br /><br />But if Tex had been in charge of the murders, they would have known that. Some people like to place all the blame on Tex, thereby claiming that Charlie is completely innocent, which just isn't the case.<br /><br />None of the girls have ever indicated that Tex was in charge and that the murders were his idea. The only one they've tried to blame it on was Linda, and that didn't work. The jury didn't buy it.<br /><br />Gypsy said years later, when she wasn't "under the influence" of Charlie anymore, that the only reason she said that it was all Linda's idea was because Charlie told her to.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-85954920023928727472011-10-09T05:02:30.400-04:002011-10-09T05:02:30.400-04:00saladin is a common middle eastern name. true was ...saladin is a common middle eastern name. true was in the peace corp. when the murders were committed. maybe he came across the name in his travels and liked it.<br />if the women knew anything they would have said it by now in order to get out prison. they don't know anything. krenwinkel though believes she was under mind control and some of it came from manson and the rest came from the govt.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-61795805894745231352011-10-08T21:16:02.691-04:002011-10-08T21:16:02.691-04:00>>>Kimchi said: I have no idea...someone...>>>Kimchi said: I have no idea...someone should ask him before he croaks...<br /><br />I just think it's odd that he named his kid that..such a coincidence... I could be wrong, but I had a kid in the '70s and that name was unheard of...>>><br /><br />How do you know he even named his kid that?<br /><br />Let's be clear on one thing.<br /><br />Charles Manson was the one who wanted Nader dead. <br /><br />Why? He wanted Linda Kasabian to "get her hands dirty". She had resisted him thusfar. By participating in murder, it made his avenue much clearer. There was no other reason to order his murder.<br /><br />Charlie sent her to Cielo Drive. She didn't kill.<br /><br />He drove her to the LaBiancas. She didn't kill.<br /><br />He then took her to Nader's place and told her to kill. She didn't kill.<br /><br />The only reason he was interested in her being there was to control her. He couldn't. After all his preaching and pontificating, she couldn't do it.<br /><br />The result? She was able to testify against him.<br /><br />If she had murdered, she wouldn't have been as credible a witness as she was.<br /><br />Poor Charlie. He wasn't as powerful as he thought.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-7028690305753032162011-10-08T21:05:12.123-04:002011-10-08T21:05:12.123-04:00Katie said:
"And Kimchi, you're ignoring...Katie said:<br /><br />"And Kimchi, you're ignoring my question. Did Harold True know Nader? If so when and how?"<br /><br />I have no idea...someone should ask him before he croaks...<br /><br />I just think it's odd that he named his kid that..such a coincidence... I could be wrong, but I had a kid in the '70s and that name was unheard of...Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-58303894826781846852011-10-08T21:00:43.633-04:002011-10-08T21:00:43.633-04:00>>>Kimchi said: It's called
"G...>>>Kimchi said: It's called<br /><br />"Get out of jail free" card...>>><br /><br />How is it a "get out of jail free" card? They're still in prison. Don't you think that if they knew someone OTHER than Charlie was responsible for the murders, that would have been a "get out of jail free" card?<br /><br />>>>Just like Bruce Davis...>>><br /><br />What about Bruce Davis? He's just as guilty for the murder of Shea as anyone. And he says that Charlie ordered it.<br /><br />>>>And just like Tex Watson, never once has he admitted his role in the Shea murder...If he was truly a changed person or remorseful, he would come clean with that...but he was never charged with that murder and he was the one that killed him...Period....>>><br /><br />No he's not. Shorty Shea was killed by Bruce, Clem, Charlie & Tex. If Tex doesn't want to talk about Shorty's murder, I can understand that. Why would it help him to talk about it.<br /><br />That's not what I'm saying.<br /><br />What I'm saying is, why didn't the other defendants blame it all on Tex if Tex is the one who did it? Not one of them did. How is that a "get out of jail free" card?<br /><br />The only one who went free is Clem, and that's because he made a deal to show them Shorty's body. <br /><br />And Kimchi, you're ignoring my question. Did Harold True know Nader? If so when and how?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-9798842963606500542011-10-08T20:49:45.606-04:002011-10-08T20:49:45.606-04:00It's called
"Get out of jail free" ...It's called<br /><br />"Get out of jail free" card...<br /><br />Just like Bruce Davis...<br /><br />And just like Tex Watson, never once has he admitted his role in the Shea murder...<br /><br />If he was truly a changed person or remorseful, he would come clean with that...but he was never charged with that murder and he was the one that killed him...Period....Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-41051263335002847572011-10-08T20:41:36.413-04:002011-10-08T20:41:36.413-04:00Let me throw some "food for thought" out...Let me throw some "food for thought" out there for all you people who think Charlie is an innocent little lamb who got railroaded.<br /><br />Why would Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten, Susan Adkins & Charles Watson ALL say that Charlie was in total charge, that Charlie was preaching a race war, that Charlie ordered the murders, that Charlie told the girls to "go with Tex and do whatever Tex says", and that Charlie is now lying when he says he had nothing to do with the murders?<br /><br />Why would they do that? They are all rotting in prison. What would they gain?<br /><br />If Tex had been in charge and he was the one who decided to kill, why would the girls not say that in the 1990's interview? They never mentioned Tex being the one who was in charge. Only Charlie.<br /><br />What could they possibly gain from saying that?<br /><br />Or maybe, just maybe...it's the whole truth for once.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-47262163360943176012011-10-08T20:38:21.285-04:002011-10-08T20:38:21.285-04:00Katie said:
"No Paul Watkins didn't do th...Katie said:<br />"No Paul Watkins didn't do that. Period"<br /><br /><br />Yes he did...Period..<br /><br />Katie said:<br /><br />"Charles Manson preached Helter Skelter all the time. More people than Paul said he did. We all know that."<br /><br />Funny you say this...I just finished watching "Will you die for me" - Catherine Share stated "she never once heard CM talk about HS" and she was there...you and I were not...<br /><br />Re: Harold True, don't know, just a tid bit I found interesting..and wonder at the coincidence or significance....Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-59162135497788247032011-10-08T20:29:20.901-04:002011-10-08T20:29:20.901-04:00How did we go from automatic transmissions to Haro...How did we go from automatic transmissions to Harold True? HA HA.<br /><br />>>>Kimchi said: Charlie didn't "throw that carrot out", Paul Watkins did...>>><br /><br />No Paul Watkins didn't do that. Period.<br /><br />Charles Manson preached Helter Skelter all the time. More people than Paul said he did. We all know that.<br /><br />Paul just happened to be one of those who told the police that Charlie was preaching it.<br /><br />>>>I'm going to throw something out...Why did Harold True name his son born in 1971 "Saladin"...What is up with that name?>>><br /><br />Well that's a good question. Are you referring to Saladin Nader? How did Harold True even know him? Please expound.<br /><br />I can't imagine a "redneck talking guy" like Harold naming his kid anything other than Sam or Bill.<br /><br />Please explain your reasoning on this.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-44746465889307562082011-10-08T19:42:25.501-04:002011-10-08T19:42:25.501-04:00Charlie didn't "throw that carrot out&quo...Charlie didn't "throw that carrot out", Paul Watkins did...<br /><br />I'm going to throw something out...<br /><br />Why did Harold True name his son born in 1971 "Saladin"...<br /><br />What is up with that name?Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-79877487026721085042011-10-08T19:41:49.510-04:002011-10-08T19:41:49.510-04:00>>>Sbuch said: It says Tex put the car i...>>>Sbuch said: It says Tex put the car into neutral, pushed it back up the drive then put it into 2nd forward.>>><br /><br />I just don't think one person could push something that heavy "up" the drive. The only way he could have done that is if the car was still running when Parent was killed and he slipped it in neutral and pushed it up. Then turned the car off. <br /><br />Pushing a dead car is like handling a dead body. It's a LOT heavier.<br /><br />Why put it in 2nd? Why not put it in park?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-6588745047468223762011-10-08T19:37:28.335-04:002011-10-08T19:37:28.335-04:00Kimchi, I agree with you. Helter Skelter is defin...Kimchi, I agree with you. Helter Skelter is definitely NOT the motive. That was just some bullshit that Charlie used as a "carrot before a donkey" to get them motivated. He didn't believe that there was going to be a race war any more than he believed in the tooth fairy.<br /><br />So that eliminates one motive. And we know that there is a motive. The drugged-out hippies didn't know the motive, but Charlie did. <br /><br />We just don't know what the motive was, because Charlie's not talking.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-59246207748837950072011-10-08T19:32:25.182-04:002011-10-08T19:32:25.182-04:00Hi Kimchi......
I saw the same pictures.
The reaso...Hi Kimchi......<br />I saw the same pictures.<br />The reason I said the car had a standard transmission is because that's the way it reads in Sanders The Family.<br />I don't have the updated copy.......mines from the 70's.<br />It says Tex put the car into neutral, pushed it back up the drive then put it into 2nd forward.<br />But like you said......no one ever mentions restarting the car and from the pictures taken at the scene it appears to have only two pedals.sbuch113https://www.blogger.com/profile/01794368422535955408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-26878837663275670902011-10-08T19:21:35.877-04:002011-10-08T19:21:35.877-04:00Well, in all things related in this case you have ...Well, in all things related in this case you have to look outside the box..<br /><br />You have to be be non-judgemental as to what really went down...<br /><br />I DO NOT believe it was Helter-Skelter..it was wrong in what happened yes, and certaninly not condoned..but there are hidden facts as to why it happend. But this is only my opinion and I am nobody...Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-40752042724064824372011-10-08T19:15:03.598-04:002011-10-08T19:15:03.598-04:00Well Kimchi, in order to consider the guy down the...Well Kimchi, in order to consider the guy down the street that was booking, you'd have to consider the fact that the LaBiancas were killed because of his gambling.<br /><br />I don't think that's the motive. Like we've said before, dead people don't pay you back. Why hire some goofy hippies to eviscerate somebody because they owe you money. And why kill Rosemary? She didn't owe them money.<br /><br />If the syndicate really wanted Leno dead, they could have cut his brake lines, or just picked him off at the fruit stand. Didn't you see The Godfather?? HA HAkatie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-82296274377108043402011-10-08T19:06:31.883-04:002011-10-08T19:06:31.883-04:00The police report also says the parking brake wasn...The police report also says the parking brake wasn't on. If the car was automatic transmission, Tex could have shifted it into neutral and pushed it, then shifted it into 2nd gear so it wouldn't roll.<br /><br />But...could Tex have pushed that car by himself? That car was made of solid steel, not like the fiberglass cars they spit out now. The only way he could have pushed it by himself was to push it downhill.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-67916187702858306352011-10-08T19:01:25.395-04:002011-10-08T19:01:25.395-04:00What if, what if, what if the guy down the street ...What if, what if, what if the guy down the street from La Bianca that was booking, that all of sudden moved away and nobody could locate, was questioned by the investigators?<br /><br />They couldn't find that guy after he left...what if?Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-69305167095503715672011-10-08T18:52:23.059-04:002011-10-08T18:52:23.059-04:00Hi Kimchi. Well I wrote all that for nothing if i...Hi Kimchi. Well I wrote all that for nothing if it's an automatic transmission. HA HA.<br /><br />Okay I just found this from the first Cielo Drive Homocide Report, regarding Parent's car: <br /><br />"An examination of the vehicle revealed that the lights were off; the hood was cool and engine off. The ignition switch was in the vertical, or off, position and the automatic gearshift lever indicated the car was in second gear."<br /><br />Okay, as far as I know, whether the car is automatic or manual transmission, it has to be in neutral to push it. So did Tex put it back in 2nd gear??katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-32318348835258398142011-10-08T18:45:42.456-04:002011-10-08T18:45:42.456-04:00Thanks Sbuch.
I got to thinking that if Parent ...Thanks Sbuch. <br /><br />I got to thinking that if Parent was driving a stick, when he was on his way to the gate from the guest house, he was probably in 1st or 2nd gear. Then when Watson popped up out of nowhere, that he might have gotten scared and let his foot off the clutch, which would have made the car die. Either way, when he was shot and killed, he would have let up on the clutch and the car would have died. <br /><br />No one mentions that Tex restarted the car. They say he pushed it.<br /><br />If the car was in 2nd gear when it died, Tex would have had to depress the clutch to get it into neutral in order to push the car. I'm just trying to picture this. He would have had to move Parent's legs in order to depress the clutch. No one mentions any of that.<br /><br />I like your "what if" situation, and it could have happened that way, only I don't think it did and here's why.<br /><br />If Tex had started killing the Cielo Drive residents, by the time they started running out on the lawn, Parent and Garretson would have heard it. If Parent tried to escape while Tex was chasing down and killing Voytek and Abigail, I don't think he could have caught Parent. <br /><br />Plus...wouldn't Garretson get in the car with him? Plus...didn't the gun jam when Tex was trying to shoot Frykowski, after he had shot Jay? The gun wouldn't work on Parent then.<br /><br />I like playing "what if, maybe". It leads to maybe opening a new door to this case!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-66813233235990260592011-10-08T18:41:25.356-04:002011-10-08T18:41:25.356-04:00I know I will be challenged on this, so here is th...I know I will be challenged on this, so here is the picture:<br /><br />http://truthontatelabianca.com/topic/2299-autopsy-of-steven-parent-aka-john-doe-85/page__st__160<br /><br />Page 9...there is a lengthy discussion on it, but see for yourself.Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-43530656302970518862011-10-08T18:31:14.187-04:002011-10-08T18:31:14.187-04:00Nope, the car Parent was driving was an automatic....Nope, the car Parent was driving was an automatic...<br /><br />There are pictures of where his feet were during the crime scene...only two pedals, the brake and accelerator..Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-27827240824510131682011-10-08T18:00:29.613-04:002011-10-08T18:00:29.613-04:00The car Steven Parent drove was his dad's 1966...The car Steven Parent drove was his dad's 1966 AMC Rambler. The 1966 model was the first year the car was available with 4 on the floor standard (stick) transmission.<br />After killing Parent, Watson put the car into nuetral and pushed it back up the driveway, then put the transmission into 2nd forward before proceeding to the house.<br /><br />Being that the car was a stick shift might explain why Steven hit the split rail fence backing out........maybe he wasn't proficient driving one.<br /><br />Or the unthinkable......just for conversation.<br />What if the killers are lying about the order in which the murders took place.<br />Has anyone thought maybe Garrettson and Parent witnessed the murders.<br />Parent then running to his car to escape, in his haste backed into the fence and was killed before he made it down the drive.<br />Not saying any of this happened, but what if?<br />It would open a Pandora's Box of questions.sbuch113https://www.blogger.com/profile/01794368422535955408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-35817370148143777712011-10-08T15:11:30.440-04:002011-10-08T15:11:30.440-04:00I have a couple of questions for anyone out there ...I have a couple of questions for anyone out there who knows the answers.<br /><br />Was Steve Parent driving a stick or automatic transmission car?<br /><br />I know the gate at Cielo Drive opened when you pushed the button, but did you have to push it again to close it, or did it just close on a timer or infrared?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.com