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You're the BEST!<b>Thanks Dilligaf!<br /><br />You're the BEST!</b>LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-62155221240930095942012-10-07T22:22:07.821-04:002012-10-07T22:22:07.821-04:00Okay,
So the questions were somewhat answered in ...Okay,<br /><br />So the questions were somewhat answered in another post, but, it is correct regarding the two types of parole, supervised and unsupervised. We are seeing more and more unsupervised in California as we go through this political budget game. The parolee wins, and the public loses. Dependant upon the type of conviction and the inmate, supervised parole can be varied in length.<br /><br />In Re the name change, for an inmate, it can be done upon release providing, primarlily, that the name change is not being done as a result to commit a crime or to avoid prosecution. <br /><br />Sorry for the long delay in responding, I was travelling this weekend and just made it back to good ol' L.A. Now, hopefully there will be another car chase on TV to watch......Dilligafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07052411066646010067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-82973837924139149782012-10-07T15:05:39.823-04:002012-10-07T15:05:39.823-04:00I hope everyone gets a chance to listen to Brian D...I hope everyone gets a chance to listen to Brian Davis Show tonight which will the attorney who represented Bruce Davis as a guest.<br /><br />Tonight at 5pm Pac Time.<br /><br />By the way, Go SeaHAWKSjohnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-31056214236721155812012-10-07T14:51:42.470-04:002012-10-07T14:51:42.470-04:00Sunset!!!
Poirot!!!!
Johnny!!!
Poirot, you'...Sunset!!!<br /><br />Poirot!!!!<br /><br />Johnny!!!<br /><br />Poirot, you're nuts... but I love ya anyway!!! : )<br />LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-52698981840242502422012-10-07T14:51:25.219-04:002012-10-07T14:51:25.219-04:00((((((((((!!!!-----JOSH-----!!!!))))))))))((((((((((!!!!-----JOSH-----!!!!))))))))))LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-17041636677306918662012-10-07T14:51:03.122-04:002012-10-07T14:51:03.122-04:00Oh...
We're on to that double-page thing folk...Oh...<br /><br />We're on to that double-page thing folks.<br /><br />The comments split-off at 200 posts, to a new page.<br /><br />Just follow the blue "newer" and "newest" arrows, at the bottom...LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-12637314784261424002012-10-07T14:27:16.619-04:002012-10-07T14:27:16.619-04:00Hi Josh!
Lynyrd, it's not difficult to change...Hi Josh!<br /><br />Lynyrd, it's not difficult to change your name in La County, costs about 500.00 and a court appearance...I know you have to disclose your criminal history but I don't know the legal aspects of that, Maybe Mr. Dill will explain that...Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-67549593065158230552012-10-07T14:20:09.088-04:002012-10-07T14:20:09.088-04:00Hi Marliese.
Dilligaf would probably be our best ...Hi Marliese.<br /><br />Dilligaf would probably be our best resource for these types of questions.<br /><br />In my area... I'm pretty sure paroled individuals are under supervison for a prescribed amount of time, as you suggested.<br />I would guess, the length of such supervison, would be dictated by the severity of the original crime.<br /><br />I've known a couple folks (very loosely) who were on parole for non-violent crimes.<br />Hence, my indirect experience.<br /><br />However, I've never had any direct (or indirect) contact with a paroled murderer (LOL)... so I'm not sure what the average length of supervison is, for those guys/gals.<br />If Clem is currently visiting (and possibly residing) in the Mediterranean... I'd say it's pretty safe to assume, that he's no longer under supervision.<br /><br />It seems to me, that the sheer number of paroled individuals floating around in society, would make it financially (and logistically) impossible to track everyone indefinitely/forever.<br /><br />Having said all that...<br /><br />I would imagine, that (initially) a parolee who is participating in a witness protection program/agreement... could also be placed under parole supervision, depending on the nature of their crimes.<br />I don't see why those two situations couldn't run concurrently.<br />But again... I'm not a lawyer.<br />Dilligaf?<br /><br />As for Grogan's name change... I have no idea.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-25887414228138464122012-10-07T14:03:25.808-04:002012-10-07T14:03:25.808-04:00MrPoirot said...
Bruce Davis will probably change ...MrPoirot said...<br />Bruce Davis will probably change his name to Charles Manson or Chuck Summers.<br />October 7, 2012 1:49 PM<br /><br />and his home address will be Spahn Ranch, Chatsworth CA....johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-24087220435448482652012-10-07T13:49:48.690-04:002012-10-07T13:49:48.690-04:00Bruce Davis will probably change his name to Charl...Bruce Davis will probably change his name to Charles Manson or Chuck Summers.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-38446716859620943132012-10-07T12:52:04.942-04:002012-10-07T12:52:04.942-04:00A 'parolee' isn't on formal parole, or...A 'parolee' isn't on formal parole, or whatever the correct term is, forever, is he/she? Isn't there a specific term, like a couple years? I don't know, but i'd guess, his performing career came after his parole supervision ended. He's been out for 25 years.<br /><br />Was the name change official, or a 'stage' name?Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-28222720548871800652012-10-07T12:28:55.374-04:002012-10-07T12:28:55.374-04:00A video of a news story containing some details ab...A video of a news story containing some details about Grogan's release from prison can be seen <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Z_JEL2HOo" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>.<br /><br />At least one of the aliases used by Grogan since his release is pretty common knowledge. I won't post it here as he was probably "outed" by someone, (possibly an internet blog). <br /><br />Someone sent me a link to a "private" YouTube vid of a person they claim is Grogan performing in a musical group. It may or may not be Grogan, I can't tell, he looks very different from the "Clem" of the Manson family.sunset77https://www.blogger.com/profile/04041729222425015567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-46519885875528490382012-10-07T11:02:00.423-04:002012-10-07T11:02:00.423-04:00Are we open on Sunday? Good Morning All.....I liv...Are we open on Sunday? Good Morning All.....I live in good ol' sunny California. I do believe that I might remember hearing that when Brown ran for office, a big part of his pitch may or may not have been that he wouldn't be in politics anymore after all of this so he had no personal alterior motives. Now, remember I said that may, might,and nothing concrete, so don't hold me down to these words. :) Hope all is well with all who are well :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-9774073030579409512012-10-06T21:31:40.486-04:002012-10-06T21:31:40.486-04:00Kimchi said:
"He was allowed to change his na...Kimchi said:<br /><i>"He was allowed to change his name which tells us he was in some sort of witness protection program..."</i><br /><br />Hmm...<br />Interesting stuff Kimchi!!!<br /><br />So, you believe Grogan was actually in a witness protection program of sorts?<br />I had never heard that expressed before.<br />Heck... it never even crossed my mind.<br /><br />It's certainly intriguing... and kinda makes sense.<br />I mean... Grogan's release was certainly done discreetly... and, he was given some sort of deal for cooperating.<br />What kind of "deal" would it be, if they threw him to the lions?<br /><br />Definitely something to think about...<br /><br />They called cooperation "turning state's evidence" in regards to Kasabian (and her "deal").<br />Any formal legal terminology for Grogan's cooperation Dilligaf?<br /><br />Parolees are not usually allowed to change their names?<br />That's another thing I wasn't aware of...<br />Dilligaf?<br />Any thoughts?<br /><br />The advantages of blogging...<br /><br />Kimchi never ceases to amaze me!<br /><br />Thanks Kimchi!<br />You ROCK!!!LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-73783646006782800532012-10-06T21:09:14.227-04:002012-10-06T21:09:14.227-04:00Grogan cut a deal, it was more than just where the...Grogan cut a deal, it was more than just where the body was...<br /><br />He was cut loose in the middle of the night, there was no publicity whatsoever....<br /><br />It was very hush hush, plus he was allowed to change his name which tells us he was in some sort of witness protection program...<br /><br />Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-86774009389107727632012-10-06T20:59:04.456-04:002012-10-06T20:59:04.456-04:00Extreme Games!
http://youtu.be/Bn09g1bwgDcExtreme Games!<br /><br />http://youtu.be/Bn09g1bwgDcLynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-22297580516675347072012-10-06T20:05:51.240-04:002012-10-06T20:05:51.240-04:00Hi Marliese.
Personally, I think Grogan served a ...Hi Marliese.<br /><br />Personally, I think Grogan served a very lenient sentence.<br />I agree with you there.<br />Just my opinion... I'm not on the parole board.<br /><br />As for major "fall-out" or "public outcry" during Grogan's release... I also don't remember any.<br />I saw much more public outcry, when Casey Anthony was acquitted.<br /><br />My question regarding Grogan was kinda rhetorical.<br />I was thinking (to myself) the other night:<br /><br />If no one cared about Grogan in 1985, why should a governor fear repercussion regarding Davis in 2012?<br />It's just the way my mind was working... so, I figured I'd throw that question/thought on the thread... and see if anyone else was thinking the same thing.<br /><br />I must say..<br />My own personal experience, parallels what Johnny and Cease2 expressed.<br /><br />I have no idea, what public opinion is like in California these days, regarding Manson family criminals.<br />I've never lived in California... or, anywhere near there.<br />I can only speak in terms of my area.<br /><br />In my area... no one even knows who the funk "Bruce Davis" is.<br />I'm not exaggerating.<br />They really don't.<br /><br />As Johnny said:<br />If you add the preface "Manson associate"... they'll catch-on.<br />But until then... they have no idea.<br /><br />------------------------------<br /><br />If Bruce Davis was released... and I visited my brother with the news... the conversation would go like this:<br /><br />Me: Knock, knock, knock...<br /><br />Brother: Hey, what's up?<br /><br />Me: Did you hear? Bruce Davis was released.<br /><br />Brother: WHO?<br /><br />Me: Bruce Davis... one of the Manson Family guys.<br /><br />Brother: Oh really? Huh? How long's he been in jail? Like 100 years? (and then, he'd chuckle a bit)<br /><br />Me: A little over 40, actually.<br /><br />Brother: Huh?<br /><br />Brother: So, you wanna come in? Or, you gonna just stand there, talkin' about bullshit?<br /><br />And that would be the end of it.<br /><br />---------------------------------<br /><br />Truth be told... most of my family and friends, couldn't name two of the "Manson family" victims.<br /><br />And... (as Johnny suggested), the folks under 35 years old, have even less of a clue.<br /><br />I'd be willing to bet, that half the folks under 30 years old in my area, think Manson is already dead! LOL!<br /><br />Anyway... my point (and yes, I have one. LOL!):<br /><br />Governor Brown obviously operates in California.<br />So obviously... his concern regarding public opinion is focused in that area.<br />That's his focus area.<br /><br />Since the murders actually happened in California, amongst Californians... the wound may still be fresh... AND, the media may still be on top of this case.<br />I can only use the experience and contributions of friends in California, to educate myself.<br />I have no idea...<br /><br />But if my own area is, in any way, reflective of what's happening in Cali... I'd say Brown has zero to worry about, in terms of public outcry.<br /><br />If Grogan was released in 1985, without anyone's head falling off... I think the same could be expected today.<br /><br />Having said that...<br />I'm eagerly awaiting the outcome of the governor's decision, out of sheer curiosity.<br /><br />It seems Davis also earned two master's degrees in prison... (at least according to one source).<br /><br />I have no idea if Bruce Davis will be paroled.<br />I have no crystal ball.<br />I can only guess, like everyone else.<br /><br />It kinda makes me laugh, when others speak with absolute certainty regarding such matters.<br />How could anyone possibly know the outcome <i>with absolute certainty</i>?<br />Let's face it:<br />If anyone predicted in 1980, that Grogan would be a free man in 1985... they would have been laughed at.<br />Just a little perspective...<br /><br />I'll just say this:<br />I think Davis has a pretty good shot... what with, the present economy... his track record... and Brown's reputation.<br />The fact that Davis has been approved (by the board) once already, also has to work in his favor (at least somewhat)... no matter how miniscule, the impact.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-7073042628627408642012-10-06T18:47:18.790-04:002012-10-06T18:47:18.790-04:00You know, when you stop and think about it, Mary B...You know, when you stop and think about it, Mary Brunner had a lot more involvement in Gary's death than Bruce did. It seems awfully lopsided that he's the one who has been in prison all these years and she hasn't.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-22177284493437299972012-10-06T18:46:05.573-04:002012-10-06T18:46:05.573-04:00Carol you're right. I forgot about that law. ...Carol you're right. I forgot about that law. That might apply to him too.<br /><br />Johnny you could be right. Gov. Brown might not have any problem with it at all.<br /><br />I really thought since they didn't even release Susan Atkins on her death bed, that none of them would ever get out. But...these times could be a-changin'. LOL.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-81376532959431436642012-10-06T18:31:09.176-04:002012-10-06T18:31:09.176-04:00Hi, Katie. I think convicted murderers can't b...Hi, Katie. I think convicted murderers can't benefit from books or movies about their crimes. It's called the Son of Sam Law. But since Davis' crimes occurred before Son of Sam, maybe this wouldn't apply to him.CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-5739417952077894662012-10-06T18:25:36.143-04:002012-10-06T18:25:36.143-04:00yep, which makes me think for Gov Brown it won'...yep, which makes me think for Gov Brown it won't be a political issue at all. most folks will say 40 years served and 70 years old...we need the space for more dangerous folks today, not back in the day.johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-67129743844412315022012-10-06T18:18:57.673-04:002012-10-06T18:18:57.673-04:00Johnny, I don't know anyone "in real life...Johnny, I don't know anyone "in real life" (LOL) that knows anything about the Manson case. I've always been interested in it since it happened, but most people couldn't even tell you the names of the victims OR the family, except for maybe Tex and of course Charles Manson.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-70864486867360196742012-10-06T18:17:18.534-04:002012-10-06T18:17:18.534-04:00Thanks Kimchi! I think I'd heard that story b...Thanks Kimchi! I think I'd heard that story before but I couldn't remember how it went.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-38014216657952914262012-10-06T18:16:56.992-04:002012-10-06T18:16:56.992-04:00Marliese I agree. Grogan shouldn't have been ...Marliese I agree. Grogan shouldn't have been released because he proved they didn't "cut him up". Dead is dead. <br /><br />BTW, does anyone know offhand what Doris Tate's reaction was to Clem being released? I can't recall.<br />katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-2801748181645002392012-10-06T18:14:47.736-04:002012-10-06T18:14:47.736-04:00not a scientific poll by any means, but i had some...not a scientific poll by any means, but i had some friends/relatives from Cali who stopped by overnight. i asked them about the bruce davis release. the response was a blank look all around. i then said use to hang around with charlie manson and got some stirring of recollection from the folks over 40. anywhoo, after outlining what bruce did -or what was proven in court- the consensus was given the time he spent in prison to date (40 years) plus the current budget situation in California in general that they pretty much are willing to roll the dice on a 70 year old being released back into society. <br /><br />sometimes i forget how far under the radar this manson stuff really is at this point.johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.com