tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post6535126776639469086..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger92125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-29139677738613951292012-11-30T18:14:10.879-05:002012-11-30T18:14:10.879-05:00I agree with your sentiment 100 percent.
At one p...I agree with your sentiment 100 percent. <br />At one point, Brian had a midweek evening sewing circle of sorts. johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-27722491881141375262012-11-30T17:21:04.736-05:002012-11-30T17:21:04.736-05:00Johnny I had listened to Schreck on the podcast se...Johnny I had listened to Schreck on the podcast several times and will again. I did enjoy his interview. My opinion of him is not the be all, end all nor am I the most knowlegable. If you enjoy Schreck's book then fine. That's why most of us are following the blogs. I wouldn't follow this stuff if it wasn't enjoyable but i'm still trying to get the money to get Hendrickson's book. Maybe we should get up a group in here and all go in on the higher priced tomes.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-6101228759873998512012-11-30T14:00:35.115-05:002012-11-30T14:00:35.115-05:00Ms Statman mafia? nah, Mr P. I was just giving you...Ms Statman mafia? nah, Mr P. I was just giving you a for instance -and my rationale- of an author who I would need more from to give me credible information. <br />So if you haven't read the book I have a hard time understanding how you can disclaim it unless you have preconceived notions. <br />And I want to make clear, I didn't mean to come off snarky. I have read many of your posts before and I respect you. So let me get that out there. You are one of the good ones. <br />Take care buddy and hope to see you around here and Star City. <br /><br /><br />johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-85016259055809738932012-11-30T12:02:15.640-05:002012-11-30T12:02:15.640-05:00Rostau's part in the murders is overplayed by ...Rostau's part in the murders is overplayed by Schreck. He was not mafia. Sebring not mafia. Rosemary, Leno not mafia. Bruce Davis not IRA member or associate. Schreck mislabels almost everyone.<br /><br />Why do you mention Statman? Was she mafia too?MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-85838045562127241372012-11-30T11:21:22.998-05:002012-11-30T11:21:22.998-05:00Mr P
First off, i do not believe everything in the...Mr P<br />First off, i do not believe everything in the Shreck book. I believe some of it, some of it I will accept on faith, and other parts I need to see the source documents or independent verification. And lets be honest here, many reputable non fiction writers -award winning types- use un-named sources as support for their stories. If over used or if the author hasn't been proven credible in his earlier work then the story suffers. As long as it is labeled as such, i have no issue with it. <br /><br /><br />So you mean to tell me that Joel Rastau only tells the truth when talking to the Police? <br /><br />As an honest broker of information, shouldn't you also put in why -per Shreck- that Joel Rastau had a very good reason to downplay his connection with Jay Sebring? A very logical reason stemming from a real fear of one day ending up with a 22 slug in the head and stuffed in the trunk of a car parked outside of LaGuardia Airport might make it seem a whole lot easier to downplay certain relationships. A limited hangout, ie admit to the Voytek relationship but deny the shadier one? A fear that came to fruition? Anyone doubt that Rastau was involved as a drug dealer and had underworld connections? <br /><br />Now you mention in detail that you have issues with Shreck's credibility and then in the same post you say your mind is open? How can that be? It wouldn't be with me. <br /><br />i'll give you a for instance. now that i have heard both Alissa Statman and Stephen Kay I have come to the conclusion that Alissa was wrong. It's not just a 'she said and he said' standoff situation. If it had happened as she wrote, Stephan Kay would have mentioned it forever more in subsequent parole hearings to show that Krenwinkle was not suitable for parole during the 80's and 90's. He never did. Moreover, the story made him look heroic as Statman told it. Given that, the fact that he stills categorically denies it happened tells me in fact that it didn't happen. Which probably explains why she felt on safe ground to write the story as she did. <br />AS SUCH, i would have a hard time giving her the open mind treatment. <br />So can you tell me that given your feels toward Shreck you are going to give him a true 'open mind' or has your mind already been made up. if so, that's fine. Free country, all of that. But don't tell me you have an open mind...<br />By the way, I love the moniker Hercules Poiret. It is not lost on me.johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-87876662694656834982012-11-30T10:38:50.880-05:002012-11-30T10:38:50.880-05:00johnnyseattle said...
Interesting Mr P, you say th...johnnyseattle said...<br />Interesting Mr P, you say that it was Charlene McCaffrey Rastau's live in Girlfriend and also the Receptionist/Secretary for Jay Sebring gets it all wrong. She knew them both very very well. One well enough to be his live in girl and the other to work with on a daily basis. <br /><br />How do YOU know she got it wrong?(end quote)<br /><br />Poiroit replies:<br /><br />Because Rostau stated in police interview he didnt know Sebring, that he only knew who he was. Rostau said he knew Frykowski quite well in that same interview. Ms McCaffrey assumed Sebring knew Rostau because she knew both when in fact they didnt know each other as friends. That relationship never had time to develope because of the murder of Sebring. <br /><br />I will not buy Shreck's book because he enjoys creating the fantastical. He is too casual with facts and links things that are seperate and is prone to be grandiose. But I'll keep my mind open. If you believe him fully then fine. Maybe you know things I don't. I still have my eyes open and my ears listening. <br /><br />and yes I left things out. I wasn't writing a 1000 page book.<br /> MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-49525653286613738332012-11-30T09:55:21.898-05:002012-11-30T09:55:21.898-05:00i fully agree Josh
Helter Skelter or Helter Skept...i fully agree Josh<br /><br />Helter Skelter or Helter Skeptic....I'll take the latter at this point. we all know 'who dunnit' it is the 'why dunnit' that fascinates me. <br /><br />one thing that Shreck points out in that podcast, there is a world of difference between someone who sits behind a keyboard -like myself and others- and those that have gone out and done the first person interviews with former and current manson members, retired police officers, show biz types who knew the victims/manson/, the underworld types who knew rastau et al.<br />Shreck spent over 25 years on this. he will be the first to tell you that he still doesn't have all the answers. what the book represents is what he has found to be true to a point BUT that further research needs to be done. <br /><br />i just hope that those who style themselves as researchers/writers will take the opportunity to go forth and continue forward. <br /><br />unless of course you are a Helter Skelter type. then the case is solved and all questions have been answered. <br /> <br />what the heck did DA Aaron Stovitz mean when he said to Col Scott circa 2004, and lets give the devil his due here that was an excellent interview:<br /><br />"“Hey Son, your interest is grand, and you aren’t wrong about Manson being wronged, at least legally, but before you go get too stressed, ask yourself- don’t you think he’s happier now that Vince made him who he is?”johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-734088616658589972012-11-30T09:35:36.169-05:002012-11-30T09:35:36.169-05:00This schrek deal has really struck a nerve with so...This schrek deal has really struck a nerve with some people.....<br />Helter Skelter seems a fairytale with mind control and spining watches and reattached weiners and reviving dead birds.....and on and on......a drug burn sounds more likely considering everything else going on in the vicinity of all involved. <br />Not to be morbid, but when all these sources finally kick the can, we can all find out with whom Mr. Schrek was conversing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-33488064781795308262012-11-30T09:14:14.317-05:002012-11-30T09:14:14.317-05:00Mr P
and by the way, you got the part wrong about...Mr P<br /><br />and by the way, you got the part wrong about Shreck and Leno's boat. <br /><br />in regards to the Store safe scenario, you only have that partially roughed out. you're leaving stuff out. <br /><br />i know someone as careful as you wouldn't want to lead readers astray. <br /><br />but good to know you have purchased the book. johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-50006667077209397022012-11-30T09:10:51.716-05:002012-11-30T09:10:51.716-05:00Interesting Mr P, you say that it was Charlene McC...Interesting Mr P, you say that it was Charlene McCaffrey Rastau's live in Girlfriend and also the Receptionist/Secretary for Jay Sebring gets it all wrong. She knew them both very very well. One well enough to be his live in girl and the other to work with on a daily basis. <br /><br />How do YOU know she got it wrong? Just asking. johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-30996626810402594582012-11-30T00:16:38.699-05:002012-11-30T00:16:38.699-05:00It took Schreck 25 years to get it all wrong.
Rost...<br /><br />It took Schreck 25 years to get it all wrong.<br />Rostau had no relationship with Sebring. It was Rostau<br />s flighty GF who knew what both Rostau and Sebring were up to individually. She then connects them in her mistaken reality. Rostau knew Frykowski but not Sebring. Schreck takes the two of them and ties them together and also enrolls them both into the mafia. Just for fun he then enrolls Rosemary into the mafia as well. After all, Leno was Italian wasn't he? Hint, Hint, nudge, nudge. Italians are all mafia aren't they?<br />I love the part about Rosemary and Leno being ridden to the Gateway store safe and back to their Waverly home.Somehow Leno is broke and in debt from gambling but yet he has a safe full of money. Schreck then escalates Joe Dorgan's status. As a straight Satan member this implies that Dorgan..............well Schreck is off and running and never stops. He has the FBI, CIA, Mafia and Straight Satans all running around Hollywood like the Keystone cops. Oops, I mentioned the Keystone Cops. I shouldn't have done that because Schreck will entwine them also into the murders. You have to be careful mentioning things to Schreck for he makes everything cummulative no matter how seperate they are as individuals. All the murders in Hollywood history are all one big uninterrupted single crime drama with everyone knowing everyone. Schreck doesn't know when to back off. He's a snowball going down hill in Hollywood only it doesn't snow in Hollywood!<br /> Oh and I forgot.....the boat that Leno left on the roadside. He was going to put the boat up but got murdered while he was reading the paper. Duh!MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-34016071184381446402012-11-29T21:47:11.571-05:002012-11-29T21:47:11.571-05:00Thanks Johnny! I Like Saint too! :)Thanks Johnny! I Like Saint too! :)katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-59747234324172999152012-11-29T21:24:21.144-05:002012-11-29T21:24:21.144-05:00I like the Saint, can't wait to hear him speak...I like the Saint, can't wait to hear him speak on his impressions of Shreck.<br /><br />johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-2113323283219507362012-11-29T21:23:41.104-05:002012-11-29T21:23:41.104-05:00hey Good News. the Saint is coming to Star City Ra...hey Good News. the Saint is coming to Star City Radio!<br /><br />THE TATE-LABIANCA RADIO PROGRAM<br />LIVE !<br />Sunday, December 02, 2012<br />8:00pm Eastern Time.<br /><br />Guest: "The Saint"- St. Circumstance<br />johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-56482700452931745372012-11-29T21:19:56.925-05:002012-11-29T21:19:56.925-05:00Exactly Matt. What Schreck did in the past is no ...Exactly Matt. What Schreck did in the past is no concern to me. It doesn't enter into the equation.<br /><br />But I don't get why none of the girls have ever said anything about a drug burn. Not even Susan Atkins on her death bed.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-70925184223452978202012-11-29T21:15:00.588-05:002012-11-29T21:15:00.588-05:00I think most of us have been "Helter Skeptics... I think most of us have been "Helter Skeptics" for many Years now.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13702047000467740558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-24425604434605639482012-11-29T21:12:17.547-05:002012-11-29T21:12:17.547-05:00Schreck certainly doesn't sound like a nut doe... Schreck certainly doesn't sound like a nut does He?<br /> I'm trying to leave what I feel about his Beliefs(or his former Beliefs)at the Door and just concentrate on what Hes saying.<br /> Like You Katie I sure think one of the Girls would have said something if the Murders went down the way Schreck says they did.<br /> Maybe not back in the 70s but why not now...what do they have to lose at this point?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13702047000467740558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-61525334281421679422012-11-29T21:00:44.883-05:002012-11-29T21:00:44.883-05:00Johnny thanks for that info. If this book can be ...Johnny thanks for that info. If this book can be purchased in the US, I will seriously consider purchasing it.<br /><br />BTW, when the murders occurred in August of 1969, the only victim I had even heard of was Jay Sebring. <br /><br />I had never heard of any of the others, including Sharon Tate.<br /><br />In August of 1969, even in the podunk town I lived in, there was a big buzz about the Sebring haircut. It was all the rave.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-43544449070159442852012-11-29T20:46:58.575-05:002012-11-29T20:46:58.575-05:00Thanks MattP. I listened to a large portion of th...Thanks MattP. I listened to a large portion of the Schreck interview today and I have to say that the man is very well spoken articulate and has a good vocabulary. Things I like in a man. HA HA.<br /><br />And he does have some very interesting hypotheses, but unfortunately he can't back them up. At least not on the interview. I'm assuming not in the book either.<br /><br />To say someone came to him with vital information regarding these murders (someone who hasn't revealed this to anyone else I'm assuming) and he can't divulge their identities isn't valid proof to me.<br /><br />If I don't agree with his assessments, it's because I haven't seen any valid proof of them. If there was any tangible evidence of this new information, I'd grab onto it like a bulldog with a bone. LOL. But there are inconsistencies.<br /><br />If the Cielo Drive murders were just Tex's "mistake" why did 5 people end up being shot, stabbed and bludgeoned beyond recognition? That doesn't sound like a mistake to me.<br /><br />If Charlie didn't order the murders at Cielo Drive, why did he ask if they had remorse when they got back?<br /><br />If Cielo Drive was all about a drug burn, why is it that none of the 3 girls have said that? They have all described the same thing: they climbed the wall, entered the house, asked for money, then started killing. Not one of them has mentioned trying to score drugs. If that was the point of the visit to Cielo Drive that night, wouldn't one of them say that?<br /><br />As far as the LaBianca's are concerned, I still don't see any evidence that Rosemary was selling drugs. Some relative (who isn't related to Rosemary's family??? I don't get that) tells him that Rosemary was selling acid and she gave him her contacts? If this relative knew this information when she was murdered, why not tell the police about it? Why hide it? And why was there no evidence in their home, her car or her office that she was a big time drug dealer? I think there would be some evidence.<br /><br />Jay Sebring's hair styling business was a front for drugs? Jay Sebring had gone International with his styling products. I really don't think it was a front. His styling products are still are on the market today.<br /><br />And one more question: If Rosemary & Jay were such big drug dealers, why was she rich and he was always broke?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-10555561368568918152012-11-29T20:33:02.082-05:002012-11-29T20:33:02.082-05:00Matt Prokes
That is one thing that Nickolas Shreck...Matt Prokes<br />That is one thing that Nickolas Shreck is doing for people who want to research the case. He is arranging to put this book in a number of Libraries. <br /><br />He is also going to be releasing a US version at some point. The purpose of releasing this current version is to get it in the hands of serious readers of the case.<br /><br />From Cielo Drive came a great term: 'Helter Skeptic.' <br /><br />"...The first comprehensive study of Manson's life, times, crimes, and thought, this is the ultimate guide to the Manson mysteries, portraying the human being behind the media-created monster's many masks.<br />Drawing on police evidence suppressed during Manson's trial, Schreck exposes the "Helter Skelter" legend as one of the twentieth century's greatest cover-ups, unveils the hidden Mafia drug-dealing background of the "Manson murders" and traces the underworld connections linking the victims to their killers. The author's recent conversations with Manson and others directly involved in the psychedelic era's apocalypse allow the true story kept secret for decades to be told at last.<br />Since its publication, The Manson File - Myth And Reality Of An Outlaw Shaman has inspired a grassroots movement known as "Helter Skeptic" which aims to spread public awareness of the book to dismantle the "Helter Skelter" theory argued by prosecuting attorney Vincent Bugliosi." johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-42676445316494777502012-11-29T17:31:55.077-05:002012-11-29T17:31:55.077-05:00Just listened to the Podcast last Night and it was... Just listened to the Podcast last Night and it was just as interesting as I thought it would be.<br /> Schrecks Theories tie up some loose ends if They're true but at the same time Most of the Facts seem to come from Manson Himself and from People Who don't want to be identified (is Mr. x Robert evans?).<br /> While Manson Himself is probably the only Person who knows the real story of what Happened do I trust Him to tell Anyone the Absolute Truth?<br /> I'd love to sit down and read the whole thing but its too expensive for my right now.<br /> Maybe It will end up in a local library someday and I can read it for free.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13702047000467740558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-63740022951822484142012-11-29T13:18:28.318-05:002012-11-29T13:18:28.318-05:00Thanks Matt.
Poor Archie had visits from the cops...Thanks Matt. <br />Poor Archie had visits from the cops and the mmmm.... at the same time. And all for making up stories. I wonder if Schreck got two visits?MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-27549970767998759732012-11-29T12:14:24.253-05:002012-11-29T12:14:24.253-05:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkPreM-Reyghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkPreM-ReygAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13702047000467740558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-68578825446167110172012-11-29T07:32:54.563-05:002012-11-29T07:32:54.563-05:00Is there any proof that "The Mafia" did ...Is there any proof that "The Mafia" did in fact visit Paul Watkins and put him up in a fancy hotel? Remember this is the part where Crocket called Watkins and told him to get out of there. Why would Crockett of all people know anything about the mafia unless of course this is the Death Valley branch of the mafia?<br />Maybe it's just me but I always roll my eyes when someone blames something on "The Mafia".<br />Remember the Archie Bunker episode when a nice mafia gentleman came to Archie'<br />s door and told him to keep quiet?<br />Frankly, I never saw anything bad about the mafia. We got all those great Jimmy Cagney movies about the mafia? The mafia never messed with anybody but other mafia members. They would have shunned Charlie anyhow because he talked to much.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-46643556483491902292012-11-28T23:51:53.892-05:002012-11-28T23:51:53.892-05:00Johnny, I love ya darlin' and I hope you know ...Johnny, I love ya darlin' and I hope you know that. I really do. No matter what we believe, I think you're a great guy!<br /><br />I'm not going to argue anymore. I'm gonna hit the hay because I've got a full day tomorrow. We will continue this tomorrow or this weekend.<br /><br />Night! :)katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.com