tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post559060666480190802..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger121125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-58216199563126706422012-09-08T15:15:19.685-04:002012-09-08T15:15:19.685-04:00I don't see why people are bagging on the ex-w...I don't see why people are bagging on the ex-wife. I mean, if she soaked in a tub of kerosene, alcohol, vinegar, Black Flag, RP4, sea salt, cayenne pepper, Kwell Shampoo, and Lysol, she'd be practically brand new.......Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-77567081134699304222012-09-08T15:06:43.191-04:002012-09-08T15:06:43.191-04:00Marliese, I had read in the 2nd Waverly Drive poli...Marliese, I had read in the 2nd Waverly Drive police report that Leno stored that boat at his mom's. I know a lot has been said about that boat being in the street, but I think it's "Much Ado About Nothing". LOL.<br /><br />I don't have any idea if Leno would normally put the boat in the driveway if he wasn't taking it to his mom's or not. Frank just made a comment about it being in the street. Maybe that was the first time Leno had ever gotten back so late and didn't want to disturb his mom that late or maybe he was just too tired.<br /><br />I'd fast forward thru Tex too. If I want to hear an asshole talk, I'll just fart. HA HA.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-23849405742875836782012-09-08T15:03:10.504-04:002012-09-08T15:03:10.504-04:00Carol, Manson never had a run-in with Leno, so tha...Carol, Manson never had a run-in with Leno, so that couldn't be the reason he picked that house. We don't know what the real reason was, we can only speculate since Manson will never reveal that.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-29045949148496395072012-09-08T14:38:03.908-04:002012-09-08T14:38:03.908-04:00Katie, i just glanced at part II of the 700 club i...Katie, i just glanced at part II of the 700 club interview with suzan...trying to figure her, and incidentally noticed at about 5:00 in the video, Suzan is explaining that as her brother got the to house on Sunday 'he noticed that the boat that was usually left somewhere else was still at the bottom of the driveway.'<br /><br />Interesting. You were saying that Leno usually stored the boat at his mother's? <br /><br />From this, i get that it wasn't unusual that the boat would be on the street, but unusual that it was still there and hadn't yet been taken to where ever he stored it...and so it seems logical that it was in the street because it was so late when they got home, he wasn't going to take it over to his mother's at that hour, and would have taken it in the morning had he not been killed, and so it was alarming to Frank that it was 'still' in the street later in the day when Frank got home...<br /><br />I clicked through the first half of part II because it's all tex creeping about how much he loves God, but will get back to Suzan's interview later...gotta run now.Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-65680827117677252012-09-08T14:28:12.857-04:002012-09-08T14:28:12.857-04:00Thanks, Katie. So Leno never confronted Manson or...Thanks, Katie. So Leno never confronted Manson or the Family about any party noise? I've read several times that this was the reason Manson picked the LaBianca home - because Leno dissed him in the past.CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-10346410282988908562012-09-08T13:56:14.041-04:002012-09-08T13:56:14.041-04:00Johnny I don't think even Bugliosi thought Hel...Johnny I don't think even Bugliosi thought Helter Skelter was the real motive. He just used it as a tool to convict Manson. And it worked.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-70530831502514315012012-09-08T13:55:14.366-04:002012-09-08T13:55:14.366-04:00Carol I believe Leno was having trouble with the t...Carol I believe Leno was having trouble with the tenants of that house after True moved out. <br /><br />According to Sanders, True moved out of his rented house in September of 1968, and the LaBiancas moved into their home next door in November of 1968. So they didn't live there at the same time.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-38490963082382723612012-09-08T13:24:27.899-04:002012-09-08T13:24:27.899-04:00“Though I’m grateful for Vincent Bugliosi’s helter...“Though I’m grateful for Vincent Bugliosi’s helter-skelter motive and the convictions it brought, I don’t buy into it for a second. There’s something more, some deeper motive for the killings. Even though Manson talks in riddles, he seldom lies. So I watch and wait for that morsel of truth that might slip from his lips, revealing the true motive.”<br /><br />— Doris Tatejohnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-91328413303524163032012-09-08T13:08:35.596-04:002012-09-08T13:08:35.596-04:00"Harold True lived next door to Leno and Rose..."Harold True lived next door to Leno and Rosemary but not simultaneously. Harold True never met the Labiancas." - MrPoirot<br /><br />Didn't Leno confront Manson and True at one of True's parties because of the noise and the loud music?<br />CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-21731241619354832522012-09-08T13:08:17.500-04:002012-09-08T13:08:17.500-04:00Marliese, if Tex killed my mother and I had to eve...Marliese, if Tex killed my mother and I had to even sit in the same room with him and breathe the same air I would be sick to my stomach.<br /><br />My hat has always been off to Doris for being able to sit across the table from him and listen to his sad-sack bullsh*t. All he talks about in his parole hearings is himself. He's just a waste of a bullet anyway.<br /><br />For Suzan to pull this bizarre stunt is just unbelievable. And that picture of her with Tex & his kids is CREEPY!! <br /><br />I don't have any idea what she does now. I don't even know where she lives. Is she married? Who would marry that thing?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-11446776846929024952012-09-08T11:44:39.863-04:002012-09-08T11:44:39.863-04:00Well it's curious because Suzan lights up like...Well it's curious because Suzan lights up like a Christmas tree when she talks about Tex Watson...at least she does in that tv interview...can't remember the name of it, but the one where she's in that ugly turquoise get up. <br /><br />And the photo of Tex, Suzan and Tex's kids...indescribably weird! She's posing as though she's the proud mother of his children. <br /><br />In 'forgiving' Tex is she absolving herself somehow? Or is it just some perverted sexual attraction?<br /><br />Anyone know of her relationship with Tex now? It's been many years since the parole fiasco...is she still so turned on by her mother's killer?Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-6291131727440748552012-09-08T10:38:59.249-04:002012-09-08T10:38:59.249-04:00Thanks Beauders. I forgot all about that Harold T...Thanks Beauders. I forgot all about that Harold True interview.<br /><br />Anyone who is interested in hearing it, you can find it here:<br /><br />http://www.lsb3.com/search/label/Harold%20True<br /><br />This is a HOOT!! LOL.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-27550919824989405622012-09-08T09:26:18.069-04:002012-09-08T09:26:18.069-04:00I have always heard that Suzan Laberge lived near ...I have always heard that Suzan Laberge lived near Tex but I have never seen it proven that they both lived in close geographic proximity at the same time.<br /><br />Harold True lived next door to Leno and Rosemary but not simultaneously. Harold True never met the Labiancas.<br /><br />There's no one who has uncovered that Tex ever met Suzan Laberge in person prior to 1970 and even then they met in a courtroom at a distance.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-75101915414869378342012-09-08T01:25:32.746-04:002012-09-08T01:25:32.746-04:00looked it up in my book and the p.i.'s name is...looked it up in my book and the p.i.'s name is judy hanson.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-35718607911420426202012-09-08T01:05:17.015-04:002012-09-08T01:05:17.015-04:00Hi, Katie and Marliese. I agree that it's cur...Hi, Katie and Marliese. I agree that it's curious that Suzan pleaded for parole ONLY for Tex. CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-66652102087120895712012-09-08T01:01:11.159-04:002012-09-08T01:01:11.159-04:00the person who could throw some new light on this ...the person who could throw some new light on this was that private investigator, i forget her name, that he used, she was actually the on recording with true. she was also friends with krenwinkel and would report everything krenwinkel would tell her back to her other friend doris tate. what a tangled web, does anyone remember her name? i believe her first name was sandra but i can't remember it off hand.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-36880564398947560392012-09-08T00:56:12.254-04:002012-09-08T00:56:12.254-04:00do you all remember bill nelson's short record...do you all remember bill nelson's short recorded conversation with the labianca's neighbor harold true? during that conversation nelson was trying to get true to say laberge knew the family and helped orchestrate the murders. (it's not really obvious that nelson was talking about laberge, i think her name was cut off on the recording). true said basically that if suzan had known manson "that she would have been on that bus with the others." i really believe suzan was a nut who pissed off the labianca family after the murders and when nelson met the first mrs. labianca she told him about all these feelings, this added to suzan trying to get watson paroled and nelson being a crazy nut himself turned it into a geraldo type witchhunt and wrote in his hideous books that she was involved. suzan wouldn't have anything to do with nelson, she wasn't that crazy. i knew nelson he was a creep actually he was a born again christian, car dealing, pedaphile, who was totally obsessed with manson and the family because they were an outlet for his warped sexuallity. beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-81941971966120212592012-09-07T23:30:26.289-04:002012-09-07T23:30:26.289-04:00Well...I've been mulling over what you've ...Well...I've been mulling over what you've posted. I didn't know Suzan's forgiveness only extended to Dead-eyed Tex and not the others. That certainly looks hinky. I feel downright queasy reading that she befriended Tex. But, only Tex. Hmmmm...Meanie Rhysiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17637425796583388877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-4136838368590002122012-09-07T22:02:57.729-04:002012-09-07T22:02:57.729-04:00In one of Clem's hearings he said Shorty pulle...In one of Clem's hearings he said Shorty pulled the car over into a pullout and stopped so Tex could get some car parts stashed in the brush. Tex turned to Clem and motioned for him to clobber Shorty. Once stunned; Shorty jumped out the passenger door but left the car in gear. The car rolled forward towards the ditch so Clem had to lean over the seat and stp the car. At this point Tex began to attack Shorty and Manson "appeared" from where he didn't know. At this point Bruce was present. Clem said Charlie mat have stabbed Shorty in the arm.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-35375230014148883142012-09-07T21:51:17.263-04:002012-09-07T21:51:17.263-04:00And let's not forget Shorty Shea, he hasn'...And let's not forget Shorty Shea, he hasn't even been charged with that YETKimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-43342233838760144832012-09-07T21:31:23.821-04:002012-09-07T21:31:23.821-04:00...how far was her apartment from tex's back i......how far was her apartment from tex's back in the day?<br /><br />you would think if she was full of forgiveness that she could extend it to the ones who didn't kill her mother.<br />but nooooo, she extends it to the one who did the deed. <br /><br />tex figured out long ago his best play was to play the role of the drugged out hippie following orders from the criminal mastermind manson. then he did his 'born again' stint and almost pulled off a parole. <br /><br />at this point in time, his only hope for parole is to keep to the lies he has been parroting. <br /><br />i doubt he'll ever come clean. as the trial testimony shows tex knew his way around Cielo pretty well.johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-70528258345994171412012-09-07T21:24:22.087-04:002012-09-07T21:24:22.087-04:00Thanks Carol. You always bring clarity to murkine...Thanks Carol. You always bring clarity to murkiness.<br /><br />But I think we should think about why Suzan only forgave Tex and tried to get him out. Susan Atkins was "born again" too.<br /><br />If she was so full of forgiveness, shouldn't she forgive all of them and try to get them all out? Pat, Leslie & Charlie included?<br /><br />There's an agenda here. I have no doubt about it.<br /><br />Think about it...katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-37087668110452785882012-09-07T21:22:17.405-04:002012-09-07T21:22:17.405-04:00Over on Cielo Drive, they have the Watson Trial te...Over on Cielo Drive, they have the Watson Trial testimony. I had forgotten this tidbit from Melcher on the number of times he saw Tex over at Cielo Drive. It also goes to Tex being associated with Dennis and Jacobsen quite a bit.<br /><br /> Terry Melcher testimony<br />------------------------------<br />"Q: Have you ever seen Mr. Watson inside your former residence at 10050 Cielo Drive?<br />A: Yes.<br />Q: Approximately how many times?<br />A: I can't be certain -- several. Watson was a friend of Wilson's and Jacobson's and was often tagging around with either or both of those men, so whenever they would drop by -- not "whenever," but often when they would drop by he would be with them.<br />Q: Can you give us an approximate number of times that you saw Mr. Watson inside your former residence at 10050 Cielo Drive?<br />A: I would say approximately six. It's a very rough, rough guess.<br />Q: Do you recall what part of your former residence Mr. Watson was in on any of these occasions?<br />A: He could have been in one room or he could have been in all the rooms; I really don't know. I wasn't keeping track.<br />Q: During what period of time was Mr. Watson at your residence? You said six times -- encompassing, let's say, what period?<br />A: I guess it would all be -- I'm sorry, let me retract that; All six times would have fallen somewhere in the summer of 1968.<br />Q: To your knowledge did Mr. Watson ever stay overnight at your residence?<br />A: No.<br />Mr. Jacobson took care of my house for me for about four months while I was in Europe doing some recording.<br />Q: When was that?<br />A: That was in, I believe I left in the fall of 1968 and Watson may have stayed there then.<br />Q: You don't know?<br />A: I'm not certain; it's possible.<br />Q: Did you have a Jaguar car around this period of time?<br />A: Yes, I did.<br />Q: Did you ever loan Dean Moorehouse that car?<br />A: I did.<br />Q: Do you know the approximate date?<br />A: No, I don't, but I am sure that --<br />Q: In the summer of '68, again?<br />A: -- in your records -- yes.<br />Q: To your knowledge did you loan the car to Mr. Moorehouse and Mr. Watson?<br />A: I loaned it to Mr. Moorehouse.<br />Q: Was Mr. Watson present when you did this?<br />A: I believe that Mr. Watson went along with Mr. Moorehouse on the trip, yeah.<br />Q: During the summer of 1968 did Mr. Watson look the way he does right now?<br />A: Well, he wasn't wearing a tie.<br />Q: What about his hair?<br />A: It was a little longer.<br />Q: What about his weight?<br />Would you care to have him stand up?<br />A: Well, he is thinner.<br />Q: He is thinner now?<br />A: Yeah."<br /><br />----------johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-30426736637065552272012-09-07T21:00:41.366-04:002012-09-07T21:00:41.366-04:00INvestgative Discovery says 10:00 pm but I don'...INvestgative Discovery says 10:00 pm but I don't know if that's eastern or central or pacific and I don't have TV right now so I need one of you guys/gals to record it for me...LOLKimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-71001039972332265092012-09-07T20:57:28.421-04:002012-09-07T20:57:28.421-04:00Doris had the best 8 word summation:
"Tex get...Doris had the best 8 word summation:<br />"Tex gets his parole when I get mine.' <br /><br />BTW, Doris was not a believer in Helter Skelter. <br />At least that is what she told Reporter Craig Rivera. <br />johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.com