tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post4113345520844375833..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger117125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-7145542538880609722013-03-04T18:05:15.253-05:002013-03-04T18:05:15.253-05:00Hi Jeff,
Thanks for participating on the blog.
I ...Hi Jeff,<br /><br />Thanks for participating on the blog.<br />I apologize, for getting unnecessarily forceful with you.<br /><br />Your contributions are appreciated.<br /><br />There are lots of good people here.<br />I'm sure we'll agree on many topics in the future.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-71345943344571423692013-03-04T17:25:42.626-05:002013-03-04T17:25:42.626-05:00Lynyrd,
Very well put. I was wondering what was d...Lynyrd,<br />Very well put. I was wondering what was driving all that passion. Thanks for taking the time to lay it out for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-31231638922694941772013-03-04T16:33:46.300-05:002013-03-04T16:33:46.300-05:00Sorry folks...
I got a "second wind"! A...Sorry folks...<br /><br />I got a "second wind"! AHahahahaLynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-26704138127597164262013-03-04T16:28:56.805-05:002013-03-04T16:28:56.805-05:00Marliese said:
"I was just reading that Gov B...Marliese said:<br /><i>"I was just reading that Gov Brown reported his decision from the steps of the downtown LA courthouse today, after meeting with DA Jackie Lacey. I'd love to know details of their conversation. It's been reported that the DA's office sent a letter opposing release, so isn't it interesting that the Gov was in LA today and met with the DA?"<br /><br />"i found it interesting the Governor met with someone in the LA DA's office just prior to releasing his decision. I'd love to know what was said".</i><br /><br />Yes... very interesting.<br />I'd like to know, myself.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-17780006769206380642013-03-04T16:19:03.009-05:002013-03-04T16:19:03.009-05:00By the way...
The Governor (and DA) meticulously ...By the way...<br /><br />The Governor (and DA) meticulously "poured over" every parole hearing that Davis has had in the last four decades.<br />They combed through every word!<br />I'm sure they read every transcript and watched every video.<br /><br />That's their prerogative.<br />But, does anyone REALLY believe, that inmates from low-profile crimes, undergo that same intense scrutiny?<br />I don't believe it.<br /><br />By the way...<br />Governor Brown did not write that denial letter... the DA compiled it for him.<br />I had that suspicion from the start, and I've received pretty convincing confirmation.<br /><br />Either Brown went to the DA's office and said:<br />"Look DA... I'm going to deny Davis. I need you to compile a list of reasons, to justify my decision".<br /><br />OR:<br />The DA went to Governor Brown with his research, and compelled Brown to sign-off.<br /><br />Either way... there's no doubt in my mind, that the DA wrote that letter of denial... and the DA and Governor were in "cahoots".<br /><br />That probably doesn't happen in many low-profile cases.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-51164670171930759862013-03-04T15:58:16.256-05:002013-03-04T15:58:16.256-05:00(Part 2 - LOL!)
I appreciate your passion Jeff, b...(Part 2 - LOL!)<br /><br />I appreciate your passion Jeff, but I think like many others... you're allowing your advanced knowledge of this case (and passions) to cloud your ability to be impartial.<br /><br />As I said to Katie, on another thread:<br /><br />Bruce Davis is a criminal.<br />There's no two ways about it.<br /><br />No murderer truly deserves release, from a purely empirical standpoint.<br /><br />Empirical:<br /><i>Relying on experience or observation alone, without due regard for system and theory</i>. <br /><br />If we assume one life, equals one life... (which is a very safe assumption)... then quite simply, Davis shouldn't be released for two lifetimes.<br />You're correct.<br /><br />Thing is...<br />The concept of parole (for murderers), is based upon a certain degree of "mercy", or "pardon".<br /><br />If we gave murderers what they truly deserve... they would all be murdered upon conviction.<br />(And yes, some societies have operated that way)<br /><br />But, as Mahatma Gandhi once said:<br /><i>"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"</i>. <br /><br />If we have no interest in extending mercy... then we shouldn't hold parole hearings for murderers at all.<br />(And, that's an option too)<br /><br />I simply feel, that if we're going to offer an inmate the possibilty of parole... we must observe that consideration in earnest.<br />To do otherwise, is to ignore our own laws.<br /><br />Beyond that, there are several other variables which must be considered.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-73785837380503359712013-03-04T15:55:51.547-05:002013-03-04T15:55:51.547-05:00Hi Jeff.
If you believe, that Davis should not be...Hi Jeff.<br /><br />If you believe, that Davis should not be paroled... I'm cool with that.<br />You have a right to your opinion.<br />I'm sure lots of people would agree with you... including my faithful assistant "Katie".<br /><br />For me... it's not about Bruce Davis.<br />Bruce Davis could be named "Inmate X25"... and, I'd feel the same exact way.<br /><br />For me... this is about honoring our word, as a system.<br />It's about honoring the true intent of a man's sentence... even if (indeed) that sentence was screwed-up in 1972.<br /><br />Yes Jeff... the governor can legally veto Bruce.<br />No argument there.<br />But unfortunately, that's one of the many flaws in our system.<br />These cases should be reviewed by an impartial board only... or, an anonymous judge.<br />Allowing these decisions to get "political" is one of our many bad decisions.<br /><br />In my opinion, Bruce has served the "intent" of his sentence.<br /><br />And yes Jeff... one might argue, that overturning the death penalty across the board in 1972... (and commuting it to "Life With") was a mistake.<br />And, I might agree...<br /><br />But, that decision has already been made... and, I don't believe we're living by it, in the truest sense.<br /><br />What the authorities SHOULD do... if (like you) they never intend to release Davis (no matter what)... is be "upfront" about it.<br />They should legally reverse Davis' sentence to "Life Without"... and send him a letter, stating such.<br /><br />Of course... that cannot (and will not) be done.<br />Instead... they'll play the old "carrot on a stick" game.<br />They'll parade Davis in front of the parole board every year... simply because "they have to".<br />They'll grill this fucker (7 on 2) for 3 hours every year... simply because "they have to".<br /><br />Doesn't that strike you, as the least bit hypocritical?<br /><br />If the parole decision boils down to a "formality" after 4 decades of good behavior and advanced degrees... then, there's something wrong.<br /><br />Here's the other issue Jeff:<br />If Davis was an unknown guy (Inmate X25)... you wouldn't even be here discussing him.<br />Heck... neither of us would be.<br />He'd be anonymous.<br /><br />Don't you think, that "anonymity" would increase "Inmate 25's" chances of being released?<br /><br />Governor Brown has Debra Tate, the DA, some of the victims family members... and several folks from the general public (such as yourself), breathing down his neck.<br />That has GOT to decrease Davis' chances.<br />How can it not?<br />Thing is Jeff... it's not supposed to.<br /><br />These decisions are supposed to be impartial.<br />Bruce Davis is supposed to be considered with the same impartiality, as "Inmate X25".<br />Fact is... he's not.<br /><br />Davis is DEFINITELY held to a higher standard and more closely scrutinized, due to the notoriety of his case.<br />How could <i>anyone</i> possibly not see that??<br /><br />Continued...LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-33235277493027876552013-03-04T14:20:40.878-05:002013-03-04T14:20:40.878-05:00I also listened to Attorney Beckman on Brian's...I also listened to Attorney Beckman on Brian's show last night. I will look forward to hearing it again. I've also read the October 2012 parole hearing where Mr Beckman makes many of the same points that he made last night. I've also read both Governors denial letters.<br /><br />I also have no interest in discussing it further. It's OK to disagree. You seem to be REALLY passionate about this issue and I commend you for it. Once again, thanks for maintaining such a great site where people interested in the TLB phenom can learn and interact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-49458607919803404192013-03-04T13:35:02.704-05:002013-03-04T13:35:02.704-05:00Hi Jeffrey.
Jeff said:
"I don't have the...Hi Jeffrey.<br /><br />Jeff said:<br /><i>"I don't have the time or the inclination to research how each state penalizes 1D Murder"</i><br /><br />Please my friend... don't bother.<br /><br />--------------------------------<br /><br />Jeffrey...<br />I'm sorry, but I've completely lost interest in going back-and-forth with you, over this.<br /><br />My best advice:<br /><br />Listen VERY closely to Attorney Beckman's commentary .<br />(I should have his audio uploaded sometime tomorrow).<br />Beckman's information, will answer any/all of your questions and concerns.<br />Take my word for it... you won't regret listening to him.<br />If you're truly interested in researching this case... it will be time VERY well invested.<br /><br />If AFTER listening to Beckman, you STILL want to play tennis over this... we'll continue.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-31369019584430687122013-03-04T11:53:33.710-05:002013-03-04T11:53:33.710-05:00Hello Lynyrd,
First of all, let me thank you for ...Hello Lynyrd, <br />First of all, let me thank you for providing a place where we can express our opinions and civilly engage each other in debate.<br />Do you have serious reservations about Davis being involved in Shea's murder? <i>("You must have a crystal ball")</i> Didn't Bruce recently admit to cutting Shea from armpit to collarbone? This was after years of semi-denial where he claimed that the wounds he inflicted were after death. Do you deny that Shea endured a heinous agonizing death? Manson, Bruce, Tex & Clem were involved. I don't have a crystal ball as to who did what, but they all, at some point, bragged about their involvement. My position is that they were all equally responsible. "The devil made me do it defense" doesn't resonate with Bruce Davis. He was 27 years old when he murdered Shea, not a gullible teenager. <br /><br />The reason that I mention how other states penalize first degree murder <i>("irrelevant")</i>, was just intended as a point of reference. California seems to be an anomaly in offering 1st degree murderers a chance of parole. I don't have the time or the inclination to research how each state penalizes 1D Murder, but I would wager that few offer parole. As Frank M said "In the US we have one of the most draconian sentencing systems in the world, and it seems [again to me] to be getting worse. It also seems to depend on where you are tried, as it varies so much from one jurisdiction to another." You are correct, what other states do has no bearing on Bruce's sentence. I did not intend to argue otherwise.<br /><br />I really don't have a dog in this fight. My first post on this subject was classic reactionary redneck and embarrassing when I read it now. Frank M called me out on my BS and I tried to more intelligently state my views. I did not intend to become a victim's advocate for Shorty Shea. I really would not have been terribly upset if Davis had been released. You seem to emotionally involved in the subject and the take I get is that you're morally outraged at the injustice of Davis being denied by the Governor after being approved by the board. <i>(And yes... his behavior and accomplishments MUST be seriously considered, regardless of your personal opinion.<br />It's the law.)</i> I guess that it is also "the law" in CA, that the Governor has the obligation to accept or reject the Board's recommendation. If we are only talking about "the law", then "the law" was followed to the letter. It can be argued whether Brown was acting politically or morally but the fact remains that he was granted the authority to approve or deny.<br /><br /> <i>(Sorry dude...I can't buy into that philosophy. Sorry dude... but, you're wrong.)</i><br />Wouldn't be the first time, Lynyrd. I have been reading your blog (and others) for years. I only recently began posting...partly from boredom, I recently retired and have more time on my hands. Everything I said was just my opinion. My opinion is that 1D murderers should not be offered parole (Here, There & Everywhere). The murder of Shea was particularly heinous. You have a different opinion, I respect that. My apologies if my opinion has offended you. Like I said, I'm new at this....maybe I should just go back to reading and leave the comments to others.<br />Respectfully,<br />JeffAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-49198828486495654662013-03-04T03:00:11.558-05:002013-03-04T03:00:11.558-05:00JeffreyJeff said:
"Those sentences should hav...JeffreyJeff said:<br /><i>"Those sentences should have never been commuted with the possibility...good on ya Gov Brown, for righting the scales".</i><br /><br />Jeffrey...<br />Your statements have several negative implications. <br /><br />This is your mindset:<br /><br />You think that, because Bruce <i>"should never have been granted the possibility of parole"</i> (in the first place)... it's OK for us, to circumvent his sentence indefinitely... by simply denying him parole (again and again), regardless of his accomplishments and behavior.<br /><br />You just said point-blank, that Davis' behavior and accomplishments have absolutely no merit, and should not be considered, at all.<br />(That's pretty f#cked-up rationale)<br /><br />According to you... ignoring Davis' sentence, good behavior, and accomplishments (and continuing to veto him), is how we strategically "right the scales" (as, you termed it).<br /><br />So, let me get this straight:<br />We should continue denying Davis parole indefinitely with a clear conscience... because after all... "he shouldn't have been granted the possibility of parole" in the first place.<br />We should not consider his good behavior and accomplishments.<br />And this, is how we effectively "right the scales".<br /><br />Sorry dude...I can't buy into that philosophy.<br />Actually... that's how we f#ck-up the scales.<br /><br />Davis was granted the opportunity for parole, regardless of what's done in your home state (or, any other state).<br /><br />And yes... his behavior and accomplishments MUST be seriously considered, regardless of your personal opinion.<br />It's the law.<br /><br />Sorry dude... but, you're wrong.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-57038775142387642572013-03-04T01:40:36.373-05:002013-03-04T01:40:36.373-05:00JeffreyJeff said:
"Those sentences should hav...JeffreyJeff said:<br /><i>"Those sentences should have never been commuted with the possibility"</i><br /><br />Sigh...<br /><br />And with that, we're back to square one.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-82909667912073952402013-03-04T01:25:08.010-05:002013-03-04T01:25:08.010-05:00JeffreyJeff said:
"No one convicted of 1st de...JeffreyJeff said:<br /><i>"No one convicted of 1st degree murder should be eligible for parole".</i><br /><br />You're 41 years late.<br /><br />-------------------------------<br /><br />JeffreyJeff said:<br /><i>"They don't parole prisoners convicted of 1st degree murder in the state I live in".</i><br /><br />Irrelevant. <br /><br />-------------------------------<br /><br />JeffreyJeff said:<br /><i>"If BD's crimes had been committed in TX or FLA he would be long gone".</i><br /><br />Irrelevant.<br /><br />-------------------------------<br /><br />JeffreyJeff said:<br /><i>"Many states have only two penalties for 1st degree murder: Death and Life w/o the possibility of parole"</i><br /><br />Irrelevant.<br /><br />---------------------------------<br /><br />JeffreyJeff said:<br /><br /><i>"I don't care if he wasted taxpayers money getting college degrees in prison. I don't care if found Jesus and became a model prisoner. It doesn't matter if he is a current threat to society or not".</i><br /><br />Interesting thought process.<br /><br />Please don't apply for employment with the parole board.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-2937313272607891822013-03-04T00:38:09.422-05:002013-03-04T00:38:09.422-05:00JeffreyJeff said:
" All I have is the knowled...JeffreyJeff said:<br /><i>" All I have is the knowledge that Bruce Davis carved up Shorty Shea like he was a Christmas turkey".</i><br /><br />You must have a crystal ball.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-46812188004387713582013-03-03T20:25:41.148-05:002013-03-03T20:25:41.148-05:00JeffreyJeff said>>>>>>>>&g...JeffreyJeff said>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br />I do believe that a prisoner convicted with possibility of parole should be judged on a case by case basis which is exactly what happened. Just because he has the possibility for parole does not mean that parole is mandatory. The State of California put in procedures where the Governor has final say over the Parole Boards recommendation. Isn't it a little insincere to complain that the parole recommendation wasn't followed when the procedure worked exactly the way it was implemented? Two Governors have denied Davis...one Republican, one Democrat. As far as politics playing a role in the decision, there is certainly no political upside to releasing Davis. Jerry Brown is 74 years old. His political career is winding down. I doubt that his political future was a factor when he denied Davis. No, I do not think that I "know so much more about the case than the parole board"...They have access to all the good stuff...impressive college degrees... all the enlightenment that Pastor Davis has provided to his fellow prisoners. All I have is the knowledge that Bruce Davis carved up Shorty Shea like he was a Christmas turkey.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<br /><br /><br />Wow...well done.Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-77790005889001582402013-03-03T20:24:44.091-05:002013-03-03T20:24:44.091-05:00Scratch away, Leary, but consider this: there are ...Scratch away, Leary, but consider this: there are Manson blogs and Manson blogs, and our Lynyrd has worked hard to create and maintain this space.<br /><br />FrankMFrankMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-79663340056678313032013-03-03T20:12:31.407-05:002013-03-03T20:12:31.407-05:00I go to church, teach political refugees, voluntee...I go to church, teach political refugees, volunteer with the disabled, belong to a couple of sizzling book clubs etc etc...<br />AND YET...<br />The nicest, most interesting group of people I know are from a Manson blog.<br />Now that's a head scratcher.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-55441753273815311722013-03-03T19:44:27.036-05:002013-03-03T19:44:27.036-05:00Marliese, you didn't explain it poorly, you ex...Marliese, you didn't explain it poorly, you explained it very well! Thank you.CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-76446461620768554602013-03-03T18:42:37.235-05:002013-03-03T18:42:37.235-05:00Thanks for the response, Jeff. A civill reply to a...Thanks for the response, Jeff. A civill reply to a not particularly civil set of questions. Your arguments here are [to me] sound.<br /><br />In the US we have one of the most draconian sentencing systems in the world, and it seems [again to me] to be getting worse. It also seems to depend on where you are tried, as it varies so much from one jurisdiction to another.<br /><br />But the problem is probably mine, and my apologies if I came on too strong.<br /><br />FrankMFrankMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-33283733181659101482013-03-03T18:21:19.609-05:002013-03-03T18:21:19.609-05:00Hi FrankM,
Always a pleasure to read your comments...Hi FrankM,<br />Always a pleasure to read your comments. Thanks for responding to my post. I seem to be in the minority here, thinking that Bruce basking in prison for a few more years is a good thing. Just a couple of responses to your comments on my post...<br /><i>This is your opinion, but the fact remains that they were sentenced with possibility of parole.</i><br />Yes ,everything I said in my post was just my opinion. They don't parole prisoners convicted of 1st degree murder in the state I live in. If BD's crimes had been committed in TX or FLA he would be long gone. The laid back State of California is a little light in the Justice Department. Those sentences should have never been commuted with the possibility...good on ya Gov Brown, for righting the scales. Many states have only two penalties for 1st degree murder: Death and Life w/o the possibility of parole. I am a little baffled that some 1st D murderers in CA serve less than 20 years and that some of you think that 20 years is an appropriate sentence for the first degree murder of another human being.<br /><br /> <i>Indeed. As the good Wittgenstein enjoins us, whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. We have security services and law courts better equipped than us to look into and after such matters, should there be need.</i><br />Well I admit I had to look up Ludwig Wittgenstein, but all of TLB world has speculated about the prior bad acts of Bruce Davis. Everything from the absurd (Zodiac) to the more plausible (Pugh, Scientology students) I in no way intended to leave the impression that Davis should be legally judged by rumours and innuendo...My Bad.<br /><br /><i>You sincerely believe that a prisoner convicted with possibility of parole should be denied it? And that you know so much more about the case than the parole board that on two consecutive connections recommended his parole?</i><br />I do believe that a prisoner convicted with possibility of parole should be judged on a case by case basis which is exactly what happened. Just because he has the possibility for parole does not mean that parole is mandatory. The State of California put in procedures where the Governor has final say over the Parole Boards recommendation. Isn't it a little insincere to complain that the parole recommendation wasn't followed when the procedure worked exactly the way it was implemented? Two Governors have denied Davis...one Republican, one Democrat. As far as politics playing a role in the decision, there is certainly no political upside to releasing Davis. Jerry Brown is 74 years old. His political career is winding down. I doubt that his political future was a factor when he denied Davis. No, I do not think that I "know so much more about the case than the parole board"...They have access to all the good stuff...impressive college degrees... all the enlightenment that Pastor Davis has provided to his fellow prisoners. All I have is the knowledge that Bruce Davis carved up Shorty Shea like he was a Christmas turkey.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-90662352019539202502013-03-03T17:00:53.378-05:002013-03-03T17:00:53.378-05:00Yes Bobby she set the whole thing up. She called ...Yes Bobby she set the whole thing up. She called some guy in Utah and said she was going to come there and see him, then she drove to Mesa, AZ to Travis' house, spent the day with him, then brutally murdered him that evening (we'll probably never know why), then she headed to Utah and told that guy she was late because she got lost, and on the way to Utah she called Travis' cell phone, knowing that he was lying dead in his shower, and left this bright and cheery message saying how she was sorry she didn't make it to Arizona but she could probably try to make it there to see him later in the month, invited him to go with her and some other girl to a concert or something, laughing and giggling, and this was hours after she killed him.<br /><br />That's just one of the many alibis she concocted.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-4240693794805523652013-03-03T16:23:06.956-05:002013-03-03T16:23:06.956-05:00Lauren I've been watching the Jodi Arias trial...Lauren I've been watching the Jodi Arias trial every day on internet stream. I'm just flummoxed by what this girl is capable of. Does she not think the jury can figure her out? When the DA first started in on her, she was smug, trite and full of herself. You could see in her face that she was confident with that "no jury will ever convict me" BS.<br /><br />Last Thursday the DA finally honed in on the day she massacred Travis and showed beyond any doubt that that self defense crap is something she's been conjuring up for years.<br /><br />He finally wiped that smirk off her face on Thursday. But I'll bet you anything when the defense re-directs on Monday she's gonna be back to her old smug ways.<br /><br />The jury has got to be thinking "this girl is on trial for her life and she's smirking??"<br /><br />I mean the fact that hours after she brutally killed Travis she called and left him a cheery voicemail message on his cell phone just creeps me OUT!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-33529395081463208102013-03-03T16:13:01.414-05:002013-03-03T16:13:01.414-05:00Katie off topic, but did you see the clip of Jodi ...Katie off topic, but did you see the clip of Jodi Arias breaking down when the DA got to her and put her in her place?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16392890925888602526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-26173268230214408762013-03-03T14:59:09.817-05:002013-03-03T14:59:09.817-05:00Hi Marliese! Yes I love that video. I watch it f...Hi Marliese! Yes I love that video. I watch it from time to time.<br /><br />Okay, I think I'm finally "Theta Clear". LOL. I don't know if I had forgotten this or what, but I went back and read Bugliosi's book regarding Davis and regarding the outcome of the trials for Shorty's murder, it says:<br /><br />Manson, Davis & Grogan were tried separately for Shorty's murder. The juries in the Manson & Davis trials recommended <i>life in prison</i>, while Grogan's jury recommended the <i>death penalty</i>, which the presiding judge later changed it to life in prison because he was too dumb, etc.<br /><br /><b>So those jurors thought Grogan was more dangerous than Manson?</b><br /><br />So years later, Grogan (<i>whose jury recommended the death penalty</i>) decides to tell them where Shorty is buried, gets his walking papers and splits?<br /><br />HUH???? Did I miss a paragraph???<br /><br />So if Davis had been the one to tell where Shorty was buried, he'd be the one sitting on the Riviera by now sipping Mai Tai's instead of Grogan?<br /><br />Where is the fairness in that?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-17856947159891497612013-03-03T14:13:31.397-05:002013-03-03T14:13:31.397-05:00katie8753 said...>>>>>>>>
...katie8753 said...>>>>>>>><br />You are all AWESOME! I'm gonna head to the bunkhouse. <br /><br />But I just want to say first to Marelise, I'm so glad you're back. I hope you continue to come back because I value your comments. I remember when you and I and Venus and others were commenting on the Cielo Drive video when Michelle Morgan first owned that house and how lovely it was furnished when it was first built. Beautiful.<<<<<<<<<br /><br />Ah...Katie...that's one of the nicest posts I've ever read...thank you! We've had some great conversations. I remember Venus' video of Michele Morgan's Cielo... the video was so well done, and satisfied years of wondering about the history of that house...fun conversation too. :)Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.com