tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post3977136926211155884..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Raid PhotosUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger82125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-16769466260037922932018-12-30T05:44:50.565-05:002018-12-30T05:44:50.565-05:00Hi all..my take on the shot of the girls in the tr...Hi all..my take on the shot of the girls in the truck...I purchased Helter Skelter in the mid 70's and this photo was included in this particular edition..it stated: from L to right...Gypsy, Katie, Brenda, Squeaky and standing alongside the truck are Sadie and (sic) Brenda...this confused the hell out of me because I was certain from what I had read that there was only one Brenda...and yes, then discovered it was Madeline Cottage with the hat on and the book credit was mistaken (we had no internet back then remember ;-) ...I believe it stated that this was taken during the Spahn Ranch Raid not the Barker raid...It does look like Sadie and Katie have braids ...but the others have had their hair chopped...this would tie in with what Ed Sanders said that Katie escaped the "witchy chop" as her hair would be used for the rope that would lower them into the "hole"...why Sadie still has her hair I am not sure...but the others have certainly had theirs cut...there is a photo of Gypsy in the book from this arrest with her hair chopped with one long strand remaining as they did (refer Sandy)...this would tie in also with what Sanders said about Kitty phoning the ranch and asking to be picked up from home...they picked her up and cut her hair in the driveway according to the book before taking her back to the ranch...where she was arrested in the morning during the raid. Stephanie Schram was also arrested after arriving at Spahn with Charlie and if you check the fam mug shots you will see her there also with very short hair...cheers...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707158393649307461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-16921586869526251772018-06-28T00:57:00.358-04:002018-06-28T00:57:00.358-04:00Shoutout from 2018. GreenWhite rolling through loo...Shoutout from 2018. GreenWhite rolling through looking for Soup Spoon photos!G. Greene-Whytehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16687404262559321867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-70414645868590952742012-12-13T01:21:16.624-05:002012-12-13T01:21:16.624-05:00katie8753 said...
I think on the first raid, ...katie8753 said...<br /> I think on the first raid, he was hiding in the toilet tank. LOL.<br />------------------------------------<br />You're absolutely right. I heard Charlie's suing because he never got paid for singing and sitting in that row boat when he was the Tidy Bowl Man.Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-34124302418096655672012-12-13T01:14:43.255-05:002012-12-13T01:14:43.255-05:00Thanks everyone for answering my questions! You al...Thanks everyone for answering my questions! You all rock!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16392890925888602526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-84940289192934280072012-12-13T00:41:48.245-05:002012-12-13T00:41:48.245-05:00Well it's late and about time to retire.
>...Well it's late and about time to retire.<br /><br />>>>Mr. P: Nancy was probably up there boinking a rattlesnake. Birds of a feather..>>><br /><br />HA HA.<br /><br />Hi Dill! >>>Oh, irony can be such a cold hearted bitch behind bars....>>><br /><br />Yeah, it's too bad Gary didn't die such a quick death. He was tortured for days and just as missed by his family & friends.<br /><br />Thanks Revatron! I guess Mary was in Wisconsin?<br /><br />To Doc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dalp231zyFA<br /><br />G'night Jugdish! LOL.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-4491841887989083162012-12-13T00:12:54.580-05:002012-12-13T00:12:54.580-05:00I did a very small/short search for Mary's whe...I did a very small/short search for Mary's whereabouts during the raid...<br />found this in Helter Skelter,<br />On Nov. 4th, while in jail, Sadie Atkins told Virginia Graham that Mary Brunner "had been in Sybil Brand not too long ago on another charge; right now she was out on bail and had gone to Wisconsin to get her baby."<br /><br />revatronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06445916298681297308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-84045238174824838882012-12-12T23:04:58.611-05:002012-12-12T23:04:58.611-05:00Interesting letter from BB. Much of it reads as i...Interesting letter from BB. Much of it reads as if it could have been written from one of Gary Hinman's family. Oh, irony can be such a cold hearted bitch behind bars....Dilligafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07052411066646010067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-43673974488101825372012-12-12T22:09:57.182-05:002012-12-12T22:09:57.182-05:00I lose track of her whereabouts after her arrest f...I lose track of her whereabouts after her arrest for credit card fraud in August. She was using a dead man's credit card.......oops. I thought she was in jail 60 days. She should have been out in time to be arrested again for the Oct 10 raid. Maybe she was still in LA.<br /><br />Revatron's list of the arrestees was funny:<br /><br />(quote)Rocks above Myers<br />Nancy Pitman(end quote)<br /> <br />Nancy was probably up there boinking a rattlesnake. Birds of a feather..MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-20327639411694797762012-12-12T21:07:42.475-05:002012-12-12T21:07:42.475-05:00Hi Lauren. Congrats on your final.
Mary Brunne...Hi Lauren. Congrats on your final. <br /><br />Mary Brunner? I thought she was arrested too....katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-82201332706185579522012-12-12T17:57:18.740-05:002012-12-12T17:57:18.740-05:00Haha Katie! Fab news on the side, finished one of ...Haha Katie! Fab news on the side, finished one of my hardest finals!!<br /><br />Where was Mary Brunner?<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16392890925888602526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-15560933195572810792012-12-12T16:24:38.731-05:002012-12-12T16:24:38.731-05:00>>>Revatron said: "an envelope cont...>>>Revatron said: "an envelope containing a statement from Robert K. Beausoleil to H. Fignslie revealing circumstances of what appeared to have ended in murder and a contract on a 1969 Ford rental car."<br /><br />Anyone know who H. Fignslie is?>>><br /><br />Revatron, I think Brenda rented that 1969 Ford for Cappy & Country Sue with a stolen credit card. <br /><br />I've never heard of Fignslie. Sounds like a typographical error. LOL.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-6129207444286015512012-12-12T16:21:02.166-05:002012-12-12T16:21:02.166-05:00>>>Doc said: He took. It out. It? It. Ou...>>>Doc said: He took. It out. It? It. Out? Out. Oh, it be....>>><br /><br />I guess he showed her who he really is. LOL.<br /><br />Hi Lynn.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-61879071936694760042012-12-12T13:47:59.081-05:002012-12-12T13:47:59.081-05:00Just glossed over Desert Shadows to get the names ...Just glossed over Desert Shadows to get the names of all arrested. I don't think I missed any...<br /><br />Oct. 10<br />Chasing Stephanie & Kitty:<br />Steve Grogan<br />Hugh Todd AKA Randy Morglea<br /><br />Maybe searching for Clem and Randy<br />Robert Lane AKA Soupspoon<br /><br />Lookout post:<br />Leslie Van Houten<br />Patricia Krenwinkel<br />Catherine Share<br /><br />Inside Barker house:<br />Lynette Fromme<br />Susan Atkins<br /><br />On the Barker ranch:<br />Madaline Joan Cottage<br /><br />Canyon behind Myers:<br />Sandra Good and baby Zezozose<br /><br />Separate canyon behind Myers:<br />Ruth Ann Morehouse and baby Sunstone Hawk<br />Diane Von Ahn AKA Mary Ann Schwarm<br /><br />Rocks above Myers:<br />Nancy Pitman<br /><br />Stephanie and Kitty ran into the police later that night as the police were preparing to tow two dune buggies away.<br /><br />Oct.12<br />Barker house:<br />Charles Manson<br />Bruce Davis<br />David Lee Hamic<br />Lawrence Bailey AKA Larry Jones<br />Kenneth Brown<br />John Haught AKA Zero<br />Collie Sinclair AKA Beth Tracy<br />Diane Lake<br />Claudia Leigh Smith<br /><br />Vehicle stopped in Goler Wash:<br />Catherine Gillies<br />Country Sue<br />-The girls denied knowing The Family. Interesting things in their possession:<br /> -list of 40 names and telephone #'s<br /> -"an envelope containing a statement from Robert K. Beausoleil to H. Fignslie revealing circumstances of what appeared to have ended in murder and a contract on a 1969 Ford rental car." <br /><br />Anyone know who H. Fignslie is?<br /><br /><br />revatronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06445916298681297308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-77987405916880844692012-12-12T13:22:56.763-05:002012-12-12T13:22:56.763-05:00A letter from Bobby BeauSoleil:
Hello everyone,
...A letter from Bobby BeauSoleil:<br /><br />Hello everyone,<br /> <br />This is proof positive that is it possible to have a heart heavy with sadness and one that is filled with joy inside of a single breath. On October 19th my beloved Barbara Ellen, wife and partner of 31 years, very suddenly and unexpectedly passed from this world.<br /> <br />A shocking event, to say the least. I’m still reeling. One day she was happily planting bulbs in the her garden for flowers that will bloom in the spring, and the following morning her lifeless body was found lying on the floor next to her bed.<br /> <br />In a curious example of synchronicity not uncharacteristic in our relationship, I fell out of my bunk onto the floor of my cell, the only time ever in my life that this has happened, at what was very possibly the moment of her passing. The cause of physical death was subsequently determined to be a cerebral hemorrhage. It was quick, no prolonged suffering, just the sort of way Barbara would have preferred to go when her time came (may we all be so lucky). No muss, no fuss, no lingering illness, no significant debts to be a burden to her family. Just gone. It’s as though she has been stolen from us, as a dear mutual friend aptly put it.<br /> <br />I miss her physical presence in my life, of course, every time something happens that I want to share with her, at least a dozen times a day, and I have to remind myself again that she is no longer here among us. We had a 31-year conversation, probing heart and mind, exploring our humanness while aspiring to the higher levels of wisdom. I will miss that conversation like I will miss her gaze, her touch, her uninhibited laughter, her embrace, her kiss, and even those human foibles and faults that sometimes annoyed and frustrated me. There was never anything about her that could realistically stand in the way of my love for her.<br /> <br />Ours was a relationship founded on sacred ground, and therefore not subject to threat from something as wholly natural, commonplace, and ultimately trivial as death. We only borrow these bodies to play in this world for a time. This is why our relationship held together all these years despite some foolish lapses of dignity and the hardship of my incarceration. But Barbara was so sturdy, I always assumed I would be the one to go first. I’ve been caught off guard, and now I grapple with unaccustomed depths of emotion, mourning the loss of her, while knowing full well that she is not the least bit lost to herself.<br /> <br />Some of you had the good fortune to know Barbara personally; others of you may have known her at some distance, or only about her. In any case, I would like to offer the following words of rememberance, written by Barbara’s son John only days after passing:<br /> <br />“Barbara was, and always will be, a shining example of a how a person can live in peace, harmony and freedom. She gave more than she took, she loved more than she feared, and she nurtured everything and everybody around her. We will remember Barbara as a woman of strength, courage, compassion and wisdom-a true Mother Goddess incarnate, treading softly yet powerfully upon this Earth”. <br /> <br />So, yes, there are some waves of sadness lingering in the spaces where Barbara once lived, since her passing. No one needs to worry that they may draw me into some morose stupor, however. Barbara would have little patience for that sort of thing. Anyway, she would not have left when she did if she had not been sure that I would remain a strength to her children and grandchildren, and I won’t let her down in that regard. She would not have any of us feel sorry for her, or for ourselves. Any why should we? Barbara lived on her own terms and died exactly as she would have wanted to. I salute her for that, and celebrate the wealth of gifts she brought to the world.<br /> <br />In peace,<br />Bobby<br /> Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04857339832418981386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-30640283872124764232012-12-12T11:48:11.048-05:002012-12-12T11:48:11.048-05:00Was the park police trying to stop Charlie's d...Was the park police trying to stop Charlie's dune buggy attack battalian from destroying The Racetrack? Could the ditches have been how police 1st began attempts to protect the park from Charlie?MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-76618807950416652312012-12-12T08:06:19.470-05:002012-12-12T08:06:19.470-05:00I seen no mention of "pack rat" in the l...I seen no mention of "pack rat" in the letter I got, however, people use many names on the net so I have no idea. <br /><br />I've read there were 2 reasons for the investigation at Barker, the police were looking for stolen vehicles, and the vandalism to the loader. <br /><br />I've also read Manson's dune buggy went into a ditch at night made by the Michigan loader, he nearly wrecked and hit his head on the steering wheel. I think Watson said in his book the loader "tore up some of the roads we were using". I think that's why Manson went looking for that loader. <br /><br />I also think I read that 26 people were arrested in total, I'm still looking for a list, they probably used aliases, so police records themselves might even be skewed. sunset77https://www.blogger.com/profile/04041729222425015567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-6610444524256310352012-12-12T02:37:37.357-05:002012-12-12T02:37:37.357-05:00Tell me.. what was I doing?Tell me.. what was I doing?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-33450767072168865002012-12-12T02:36:58.309-05:002012-12-12T02:36:58.309-05:00If whoever is tracking me now doesn't know wha...If whoever is tracking me now doesn't know what I was doing on July 20th, 1961, you aren't worth shit. <br /><br />What was I doing?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-49216663815664166242012-12-12T01:56:50.646-05:002012-12-12T01:56:50.646-05:00I can play Beethoven's Appassionata Sonata Opu...I can play Beethoven's Appassionata Sonata Opus 57 Movement No.3.<br /><br />And believe me it's a hard one to play! Whew.<br /><br />Expose that. HA HA.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz7usUEPWsckatie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-36427590811488725302012-12-12T01:16:54.399-05:002012-12-12T01:16:54.399-05:00katie8753 said...
Push it out. LOL. G'nigh...katie8753 said...<br /> Push it out. LOL. G'night Jugdish!!!<br />----------------------------------------<br /> He took. It out. It? It. Out? Out.<br />Oh, it be....Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-8685414695325407532012-12-12T01:15:34.153-05:002012-12-12T01:15:34.153-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-31639078440265206082012-12-12T00:44:38.472-05:002012-12-12T00:44:38.472-05:00Okay here is a Barry Lyndon Clip.
http://www.yout...Okay here is a Barry Lyndon Clip.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kF5QqPDjag<br /><br />I will provide the clip where he kicks Barry's ass tomorrow.<br /><br />Enjoy the music!! :)<br /><br />It's not always as it seems. <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7ixGAOwCiQ<br /><br />Love that Cello & Piano music. Sometimes things aren't what they seem. <br /><br />Push it out. LOL. G'night Jugdish!!!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-42692962131923359232012-12-11T22:43:40.869-05:002012-12-11T22:43:40.869-05:00And the evening and the morning were the sixth day...And the evening and the morning were the sixth day....katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-40144823608108231422012-12-11T22:25:25.126-05:002012-12-11T22:25:25.126-05:00Charlie gets PO'd and lashes out with violence...Charlie gets PO'd and lashes out with violence and destruction and disregard of the consequences of doing so.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-51703183833246947932012-12-11T21:55:52.318-05:002012-12-11T21:55:52.318-05:00Mr P...
According to the folks that arrested them...Mr P...<br /><br />According to the folks that arrested them for burning the Loader was that the Family was pissed because the Parks System closed a road they were using to go to the racetrack...<br />Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.com