tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post3400384765227579751..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: How unreasonable was Helter Skelter ? Part 1 of 3Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-37994449040956486522015-12-26T16:15:39.190-05:002015-12-26T16:15:39.190-05:00LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...
I don't think Manso... LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...<br /><br /><b>I don't think Manson believed in "HS" for a second.<br /> That concept is laughable.<br /> Manson simply stumbled upon a fictitious story (i.e., "HS"), and realized somewhere along the line, that he could get a lot of "mileage" out of it (as a manipulation tool)</b><br /><br />I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I do believe Charlie believed it. That's primarily why I think that since coming down to earth, he's embarrassed by it. <br />The concept may be eclectic, cobbled together from a variety of sources that have somehow fused in the acid forefront of the mind. <br />The concept may indeed be laughable. But it's no more laughable than a scenario made up of a virgin birth, God as your Dad, a crucifixion to pay for the wrongdoings of the entire human race, a resurrection, living through your followers, showing the route to a real relationship with God, returning one day to judge those that have accepted the offer and those that haven't.....It's no more laughable than most religious and philosophical ideas that are engaged in by a significantly large segment of the earth's population.<br />I don't doubt that he manipulated minds by it. But I wouldn't be surprised if most real manipulation comes through mindsets of belief. Bin Laden, Stalin, Hitler, Amin, Castro, Pol Pot, G.W. Bush, Milosovitch, Koresh, Ceaușescu and goodness knows how many others that manipulated and persuaded did so from a position of believing in what they were seeking to achieve or maintain.<br />HS sounds great when you've articulated it in your own acid enhanced mind and you've articulated it to others who <i>get it</i> and trust in you and want to please you and respond to your tests and philosophy and you're all fairly cool with it and tripping.<br />It's a different matter altogether when you're in jail with rapists, robbers, muggers, murderers, con men, pimps, fraudsters, hit men, junkies and the like, who aren't interested in roaming the mind and the universe, where surviving each day in a racially charged hotbed of potential hell is the main concern and you'll be laughed out of town by heavies who have their eye on that orifice between your bumcheeks.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-82072702062809187972015-12-26T15:40:02.620-05:002015-12-26T15:40:02.620-05:00Even after the murders, he was still talking about...Even after the murders, he was still talking about it. At his <a href="http://truthontatelabianca.com/threads/jeanne-mallets-testimony.1520/" rel="nofollow">trial</a>, Jeanne Mallet testified about the times she saw him in Texas in November '69, literally up to the day he was arrested:<br /><br />Q: Did he talk about black people in California?<br /><br />A: Yes. He said something to the effect that there were a lot of black men going with white now and he spoke of the black-white revolution that was going to take place.<br /><br />Q: Spoke about a black-white war?<br /><br />A: Yes.<br /><br />Q: Talked to you about a pit in the desert?<br /><br />A: Yes, he told me all about that.<br /><br />Q: And helter skelter?<br /><br />A: He didn't explain.<br /><br />Q: Did he mention the words "helter skelter" to you?<br /><br />A: He said it some but it was never mentioned in any of his ideas or anything.<br /><br />Q: Didn't he seem a little more serious than he had previously?<br /><br />A: Yes. I would say he had a lot of new ideas. People change, you know. I hadn't seen him for two years.<br /><br />Q: Did he seem to be sort of preoccupied with those new ideas?<br /><br />A: No sir.<br /><br />Q: Didn't he spend a great deal of time talking about his California experiences?<br /><br />A: Yes.<br /><br />Q: He talked about this hole in the ground, the bottomless pit, so to speak?<br /><br />A: Yes.<br /><br />Q: And this revolution that you have told us about?<br /><br />A: Yes.<br /><br />Q: As a matter of fact, he repeated that a number of times, didn't he?<br /><br />A: No--mainly just on one day he was explaining the whole thing to me.<br /><br /><br />I think there's a good chance that he really did believe in it. Whether or not he specifically had it in mind during the murders is another matter altogether but whether he did or not, it was part of the air they breathed at Spahn and much of what they did was in furtherance of their general mindset, part of which, by then, was seeing the start of HS, allied to their moving to the desert.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-30273326868775612002015-12-26T15:39:41.608-05:002015-12-26T15:39:41.608-05:00LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...
As for Tex Watson... I&...LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...<br /><br /><b>As for Tex Watson... I'd say it's unlikely that he really believed the HS story.<br /> (Bear in mind, that if Tex really believed the HS story, it rules-out some of the other motive theories by default... i.e., "drug burn" comes to mind)</b><br /><br /><br />Though not a popular view to take, I've long felt that Tex <i>did</i> believe in HS. Firstly in his two books, 28 years apart, he states he did. Leslie in her interview with Marvin Part, nine years before his first book, earmarks him as one of the ones that used to sit around talking about it with them. Recently, CieloDrive.com has featured more testimony from the Charles Watson <a href="http://www.cielodrive.com/charles-tex-watson-trial-09-01-71-am.php#dln" rel="nofollow">trial</a> and the testimony of one of Watson's old friends, David Neale, is particularly interesting. He says he ran into Watson in June'69 while he was on leave from the army and Watson spoke of HS and the revolution that he believed was about to happen any moment:<br /><br />Q: What did Charles tell you, Charles Watson, in substance?<br /><br />A: Well, he asked me to come to the ranch and to live and he explained Charles Manson's philosophy, which was now his, and he explained helter skelter and he told me that there was going to be a revolution in the country.<br /><br />He didn't say — he did say that Charles Manson well, the thing that kept throwing me was he kept referring to Charles Manson, the girls, and himself as one. They were all the same.<br /><br />Q: Go on. Anything else you can remember?<br /><br />A: I remember him telling me of helter skelter, of the revolution, and that it would be happening in this country within a matter of months.<br /><br />Q: What did you say to him, if anything?<br /><br />A: Well, for starters no about going to the ranch and living with the people. There really wasn't much reasoning. I didn't really know him. He was a completely different person.<br />Q: David, you say that Mr. Watson told you in June of '69 that helter skelter, the revolution, would be happening in a couple of months.<br /><br />Did he tell you how it was going to start?<br /><br />A: No he didn't; he didn't mention it.<br /><br />Q: What did he say about helter skelter, about the revolution?<br /><br />A: He just mentioned that through acid and through a level of understanding that Charles Manson was on, and he was also on, they had listened to enough music that the Beatles were putting out at this time and he -- being Charles Manson had decided that helter skelter was what was going to happen.<br /><br />Q: Did Tex say that he thought that this was what was going to happen?<br /><br />A: Well, he was talking almost as if he were -- when I would ask him about Charles Manson or about the girls he would say, "We are the same, so if you ask me about one of them you are asking me about me." <br /><br /><br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-37205943151408797292015-10-02T14:32:32.035-04:002015-10-02T14:32:32.035-04:00And for all you anti-HS fanatics who still think H...And for all you anti-HS fanatics who still think HS is science fiction, ponder this...<br />There is a lunatic sitting in jail for the rest of his life. He is a pervert of the highest order, a delusional megalomaniac and pure sociopath and his name is not Charlie. It is Warren. Warren Jeffs.<br />And unlike Charlie who had only maybe 15-20 hardcore followers who would do his bidding, Jeffs has 10,000 in his FLDS church. And a great per centile, experts say somewhere in the eighty per centile, will most certainly follow any orders that Jeffs gives them. If he tells them all to move to Yellow Knife, Alberta, they will all be there in a week. And if he tells them in order to get into their celestial kingdom they have to off at least three black people they will do so. Seriously. I know these people, I've worked with them and spent time with them. Fanatics are not hard to find on this earth. Charlie's idol Adolph inspired several million of them.<br />My belief is that Helter Skelter can and will happen - NO, not the idiot bottom less pit nonsense, but the race war part. If the govt cuts food stamps and disability by a third as experts say will happen within the year, who do you think will be most affected? Rage amongst the black community is simmering just below the surface. <br />Wouldn't it be ironic if Manson kicked the bucket a year or so before his race war began.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-90150697045964489802015-10-02T12:26:10.867-04:002015-10-02T12:26:10.867-04:00LOLLOLLynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-50097394948224096152015-10-02T12:25:56.304-04:002015-10-02T12:25:56.304-04:00You mean there's more to fatherhood than tying...You mean there's more to fatherhood than tying the umbilical cord with a guitar string?LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-42900420061242827942015-10-01T10:46:20.786-04:002015-10-01T10:46:20.786-04:00katie8753 said...
"As a mother, I have to sa...katie8753 said...<br /><br />"As a mother, I have to say that Charlie never really took a fatherly role. It doesn't matter if he's in prison, on the outside, or just trying to start a cult. It doesn't take 5 minutes to make a call to your child or send a letter"<br /><br /><br />Technically, I agree with you. I've got very strong thoughts on parenthood. In England there's been almost an epidemic over at least the last 30 years with absent Dads not caring for their kids. In the 90s the govt created an organization called the Child Support Agency {loving dubbed 'the CSA'} to basically force absconded Dads to at least pay towards children they fathered. It happened to friends of mine and it was then that one started to see that it wasn't always as cut and dried as it always appeared. Also recently, the group "Fathers for justice" have taken to all manner of daring stunts to highlight the fact that many mothers won't let them have contact with their children, even when the courts have ordered it.<br />But I digress !<br />The point with Manson's first two kids {both called Charles Manson !} is that their Mums took them away and he didn't know where they were. I'm not even sure he ever met the second one. Pooh was looked after by Mary Brunner's Mum but after about 1973, according to {I know !!} Susan Atkins in her first book, Mary wanted nothing more to do with Manson and wouldn't even let Atkins refer to him as Pooh. Besides which, the Family belief was that parents are the ones that screwed up the kids by putting their ego on them, and the practice was that anyone but the parents raised the kids. <br />Not defending him because such a view is anathema to me, but he has been pretty consistent when it comes to children. I'd say he replicated pretty much what he experienced.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-78465958414743803132015-10-01T03:23:35.177-04:002015-10-01T03:23:35.177-04:00Thanks for a great post, Grim Traveller.
Thanks for a great post, Grim Traveller.<br />CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-89925647089214252552015-09-30T22:44:16.763-04:002015-09-30T22:44:16.763-04:00Hi Grim.
As a mother, I have to say that Charlie ...Hi Grim.<br /><br />As a mother, I have to say that Charlie never really took a fatherly role. It doesn't matter if he's in prison, on the outside, or just trying to start a cult. It doesn't take 5 minutes to make a call to your child or send a letter. <br /><br />You Grim, as a family man, and I know you are, because you speak lovingly of your children, know as much as any man with children. He could have contacted Pooh or any other children he had, but he didn't. He knew who his children were thoughout the years, but didn't try to contact them.<br /><br />Maybe he was embarrassed, I don't know.<br /><br />You can make phone calls or write letters in prison. We know that for a fact.<br /><br />I think that Manson was very derelict about his children, especially with the knowledge that he talked about children a lot during his time with the family, "they are special", blah, blah, blah.<br /><br />He didn't really put his "money where his mouth is". Children are a blessing to the world and Charlie preached that a LOT, but he didn't really put his money where his mouth is.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-68641080254277027912015-09-30T16:20:26.611-04:002015-09-30T16:20:26.611-04:00LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...
"Manson had childr...LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...<br /><br />"Manson had children that he never took care of... 'biological children' that is..."<br /><br /><br />Even that needs to be put into some kind of context though. He was in jail when his first child was born {the one that committed suicide} and his wife disappeared with that child, a similar thing happened with his second child and he was around Pooh when he was arrested for the last time. The kids that turned up as adults and said "you're my Dad !" were already grown and he obviously didn't know about them, that is, providing he was their Dad. As an adult he spent so little time on the outside that he would have been a derelict father even if they had been around !<br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-79552610232014860702015-09-30T14:25:08.953-04:002015-09-30T14:25:08.953-04:00The fact that Manson got other people to do his di...The fact that Manson got other people to do his dirty work, to me, makes him less than a man. I'm not sure what label is appropriate for someone like that.<br /><br />The fact that he even gathered those young kids up is, to me, pathetic. But then again, they had freedom of choice, so that's not ALL his fault, but it was his doing.<br /><br />When I was a kid we had a boy on the block that was a bully. He was always threatening other kids to do things or he would retaliate. He would say "go beat up that girl or I'll beat you up". Or "go catch that frog and cut his stomach open, or I'll cut yours open".<br /><br />I never actually witnessed him beating anyone up, but I guess the threat was perceived as real, because kids would do what he said. I remember thinking that kid was a coward because he was getting other people to cause harm <i>for him</i>.<br /><br />Whether Manson was getting other people to do his dirty work because he was too scared to, or because he was just trying to stay one step ahead of the law, I really don't know. I just know he reminds me of that bully kid from years ago.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-54124426407660967622015-09-30T14:09:06.713-04:002015-09-30T14:09:06.713-04:00Manson had children that he never took care of... ...Manson had children that he never took care of... "biological children" that is...<br /><br />And from that standpoint, I tend to agree with Katie.<br />I would generally look upon such a man, as a "pussy".<br /><br />Heck...<br />It's not very noble or "manly" to father children biologically, and then, completely abandon them.<br /><br />I'll give Katie that one.<br /><br />BUT...<br />Does that make a man a "deadbeat" or a "pussy"? Or both?<br /><br />You have to be very careful with labels.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-56927677869431728712015-09-30T14:02:28.052-04:002015-09-30T14:02:28.052-04:00I've known Katie for many years, and her debat...I've known Katie for many years, and her debate style is to simply swamp her opponent with a slew of exhaustive questions aimed at diversion.<br /><br />When her opponent finally tires of answering her questions, she assumes that she has "won".<br />When in fact, the "dance" really amounts to nothing more, than her opponent repeating themselves ad nauseam.<br /><br />I've already made my point(s) quite handily.<br />All I can really do now, is simply repeat myself.<br /><br />But, I've got like 5 free minutes, so here goes...<br /><br /><b>Katie asked:</b><br /><i>Then why was he so scared and nervous when he thought he killed Lottsapoppa?</i> <br /><br />When you shoot another criminal in the chest, you expect retaliation.<br />I'm sure Manson fully expected Lotsapoppa and his cronies to "respond" with some type of "retribution".<br />Being prepared for "payback" does not necessarily make someone a pussy. It makes them smart... and realistic.<br /><br />The thing is Katie...<br />Fear is a somewhat abstract concept.<br />How can you know for sure, how much fear is in another person's heart?<br /><br />The fact is... you're speculating.<br />The extent to which Manson was "scared and nervous", is difficult to prove in objective terms. <br /><br />If Manson really had THAT much fear in his heart, he would NEVER have confronted Lotsapoppa in the first place.<br /><br /><br /><b>Katie asked</b><br /><i>If Manson was so tough, why didn't he just go to Cielo & Waverly by himself and gun everyone down? You say it was to stay out of jail, I say it's because he didn't have the guts.</i><br /><br />As I said earlier, Manson's maneuvering was based upon avoiding liability.<br /><br /><br /><b>Katie asked:</b><br /><i>If Manson was so tough, why did he go hide in the desert? If he was so tough, why was he hiding in the bathroom when they found him, instead of just walking out like the others?</i><br /><br />Regarding the desert "haunts":<br />Disconnecting one's followers from society, is a classic move that many cult leaders employ.<br />The further a cult leader can keep his followers from mainstream society, the easier they are to manipulate.<br /><br />As for the bathroom episode:<br />Again, Manson was attempting to escape liability.<br />Plain and simple, he didn't want to be arrested.<br />Does that make him "scared" or "cunning"? <br />It's up for debate. <br /><br /><b>Katie asked:</b><br /><i>I'm sure prison is no picnic, but I don't think that everyone in prison is a big brave badass. Some of them are probably just smart enough to stay out of harm's way.</i><br /><br />I never described Manson as a badass.<br />There's a long way between "badass" and "pussy" though... and several increments in between.<br /><br />=============================================<br /><br />Katie,<br /><br />You describe Manson as a wimp, pussy, etc., etc, constantly, and I just don't see any proof.<br /><br />Manson was a thief... a pimp... a drug user... a whole lot of undesirable things.<br />I just don't see any hard proof, that he was a "pussy" beyond your recurring opinion.<br /><br />That's all I've got...LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-57412491764297420332015-09-30T10:22:30.107-04:002015-09-30T10:22:30.107-04:00Everyone knows a lot of things that they couldn...Everyone knows a lot of things that they couldn't possibly know. If you've never been locked up, you can't possibly understand it (one night doesn't really count). If you've never been involved in crimes (murder, robbery, etc) how could you know how it feels? How can Katie possibly know all the things she seems to know......<br />it's called assumptions.... :)<br />If you don't know, you don't know and it comes across to the reader. Speculation is fun but don't pass assumption as fact. :)<br />Good DayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-88347378343141330852015-09-30T08:16:22.606-04:002015-09-30T08:16:22.606-04:00katie8753 said...
"Regarding Harold True, li...katie8753 said...<br /><br />"Regarding Harold True, listen to this if you haven't already:<br /><br /> http://www.lsb3.com/search/label/Harold%20True"<br /><br /><br />That was a very interesting listen, particularly as it was two decades after the murders. And just like he does in his January 1970 interview with Aaron Stovitz, he makes mention of the fact that Charlie had, back in '68, wanted to move into the house next door to the LaBiancas, ie, the True house.<br />So he was familiar with <i>both</i> the houses that the murders happened in. And he had reasons not to be exactly enamoured with either.<br />I wonder why Vincent Bugliosi makes no mention at all of Manson wanting to live next door to the LaBianca house. Obviously it wasn't necessary but I would have thought it was a pretty significant piece of information.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-85803523407800420072015-09-29T18:39:12.735-04:002015-09-29T18:39:12.735-04:00LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...
"I wouldn't wa... LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...<br /><br />"I wouldn't want to serve two fucking days behind bars"<br /><br /><br />I spent an afternoon in a stinking, damp, uncomfortable police cell back in the summer of '83. I endured being strip searched and having an officer prise open my buttkus to make sure I wasn't carrying any contraband. Because I had my mate's name written on a piece of paper in my pocket, something I'd done over a year before and had totally forgot about, and he had exactly the same name and surname as one of the arresting officers {it was a really uncommon name}, they thought maybe I was up to no good in relation to this copper.<br />That afternoon was more than enough for me. When people came my way with anything remotely criminal, I went the opposite way ! I don't think I'm a puss but I couldn't do jail.<br />I think I'd be bored more than anything but I'd also be scared, at least initially.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-72689725026671619942015-09-29T18:28:04.448-04:002015-09-29T18:28:04.448-04:00katie8753 said...
"Then why was he so scared... katie8753 said...<br /><br />"Then why was he so scared and nervous when he thought he killed Lottsapoppa?"<br /><br /><br />Because, for better or for worse, if you've never killed a person and you hadn't gone to the apartment actually intending to kill and you'd killed {or thought you had} and in front of witnesses too, you might be nervous. <br />It's still the ultimate violation when you've not done it.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-11717439132646971132015-09-29T18:23:50.817-04:002015-09-29T18:23:50.817-04:00leary7 said...
"What I meant to say was it w... leary7 said...<br /><br />"What I meant to say was it would be helpful having done a fair amount of LSD in order to understand THE UNDERSTANDING of Helter Skelter.<br />I honestly believe a fair amount of the anti-HS crowd dismisses HS because they personally cannot fathom the understanding of it or anyone in their right mind thinking it possible. But if TLB is a story of anything - it is a story of people not in their right minds. I went through my acid stage not when TLB took place but a few years later when the book Helter Skelter came out and it all made sense to me - even the bottomless pit nonsense. When one radically alters the parameters of their reality with chemicals you would be blown away at what becomes believable."<br /><br /><br />This is partly the underpinning of my thinking when thinking about and writing the thread. I don't want to say too much as parts 2 & 3 are to come but two really crucial things that Leary7 touches on are <br /><br />"a fair amount of the anti-HS crowd dismisses HS because they personally cannot fathom the understanding of it or anyone in their right mind thinking it possible"<br />and<br />"When one radically alters the parameters of their reality with chemicals you would be blown away at what becomes believable."<br /><br /><br />I think psychedelic drugs were one of the main factors in the philosophy that shaped the crimes, but more of that in pt 2. But I wanted to get across the importance of <i>belief</i> as well and that's why it was important to show some of the things people on this planet {myself included} past and current actually believe. I only noted a few things, pertaining to Rastas, Black Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Catholics, Evangelical Christians etc and I hope it wasn't passed under the radar that none of these things {except for the Rasta lifestyle} are connected with drugs at all. Yet we have people that won't allow their dying children to have a blood transfusion that could save them, cult followers committing suicide, people blowing up abortion clinics, people blowing themselves up, not to mention all the things that ordinary, everyday people believe. <br />Without drugs.<br />Add drugs to that mix and whooooooosh !<br /><br />Personally, I can see how and why HS was not only believable, but enactable in the minds of some. To certain mindsets, it really does make sense.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-81981716912385176422015-09-29T15:20:12.723-04:002015-09-29T15:20:12.723-04:00Actually, I mis-spoke in earlier post when I said ...Actually, I mis-spoke in earlier post when I said I thought it helpful to having done a fair amount of LSD in order to understand Helter Skelter. What I meant to say was it would be helpful having done a fair amount of LSD in order to understand THE UNDERSTANDING of Helter Skelter.<br />I honestly believe a fair amount of the anti-HS crowd dismisses HS because they personally cannot fathom the understanding of it or anyone in their right mind thinking it possible. But if TLB is a story of anything - it is a story of people not in their right minds. I went through my acid stage not when TLB took place but a few years later when the book Helter Skelter came out and it all made sense to me - even the bottomless pit nonsense. When one radically alters the parameters of their reality with chemicals you would be blown away at what becomes believable.<br /><br />The real question that we should be discussing regarding Helter Skelter is this...<br /><br />IS IT STILL ON THE TABLE?<br /><br />Ferguson, Baltimore, Charlotte...is it possible we all could be blogging in 2019 on the 50th anniversary of TLB with maybe five thousand or so dead in race riots and talking about the recently deceased Charlie Manson as a prophet. <br />It's not science fiction.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-49284209308443876962015-09-29T14:15:28.868-04:002015-09-29T14:15:28.868-04:00OK.OK.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-39875734179721599182015-09-29T13:20:36.227-04:002015-09-29T13:20:36.227-04:00Hi Katie.
I'm on the road today, but I'll...Hi Katie.<br /><br />I'm on the road today, but I'll answer your questions either tonight or tomorrow. (Probably tomorrow) .LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-31914863054335254202015-09-29T10:07:43.569-04:002015-09-29T10:07:43.569-04:00Lynyrd said: As for being "chicken shit"...<i>Lynyrd said: As for being "chicken shit", I don't see that point either.<br /><br />I really don't think Charles Manson would have any qualms about watching another person die at his hands.<br /><br />I think he could kill another man in a second, and he wouldn't lose any sleep that night.<br /><br />I'm sure he had the "stomach" for it.</i><br /><br />Then why was he so scared and nervous when he thought he killed Lottsapoppa? If Manson was so tough, why didn't he just go to Cielo & Waverly by himself and gun everyone down? You say it was to stay out of jail, I say it's because he didn't have the guts.<br /><br />If Manson was so tough, why did he go hide in the desert? If he was so tough, why was he hiding in the bathroom when they found him, instead of just walking out like the others?<br /><br /><i>The man has survived an entire lifetime behind bars!<br /><br />How much of a "Pussy" could he possibly be???<br /><br />You can't be a "pussy" and survive in prison for an entire lifetime.<br />I don't buy it.</i><br /><br />I'm sure prison is no picnic, but I don't think that everyone in prison is a big brave badass. Some of them are probably just smart enough to stay out of harm's way.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-26685359221408992362015-09-29T01:42:05.902-04:002015-09-29T01:42:05.902-04:00Charles Manson is a lot of things, but I don't...Charles Manson is a lot of things, but I don't think he's a "pussy".<br /><br />Fuck.<br />I wouldn't want to serve two fucking days behind bars.<br /><br />And that's the Gods-Honest truth.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-14883354686329946232015-09-29T01:40:35.434-04:002015-09-29T01:40:35.434-04:00Sunset...
You've told us before, that you ser...Sunset...<br /><br />You've told us before, that you served time in prison.<br /><br />How many "pussies" do YOU know, that could serve <i>an entire lifetime behind bars</i> with a smile?LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-78914990844246126592015-09-29T01:32:55.900-04:002015-09-29T01:32:55.900-04:00Katie doesn't like Charles Manson... and I get...Katie doesn't like Charles Manson... and I get that.<br /><br />But talking "smack" (that doesn't hold water), is stupid and pointless.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729740027224198169noreply@blogger.com