tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post2415089633824436944..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-70065805531759539912015-10-07T14:14:45.504-04:002015-10-07T14:14:45.504-04:00Tj used to be in the army.Tj used to be in the army.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-90991076676375629872012-01-13T11:09:24.612-05:002012-01-13T11:09:24.612-05:00To answer the Tj question, he was an member of th...To answer the Tj question, he was an member of the family from the end 1967 but came and went. Once the idealogy of Manson switched from peace and love to murder he hauled ass and didn't associate much with the family until later on during the trials. After the familys convictions he and BO his wife came back into the folds of what was left of the family and stayed a active family member until his death I think in 2005 from a auto accident, he was trying to pass another car on a curve in Topango canyoun and hit another car head on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-37574764271239976662011-03-28T20:41:12.925-04:002011-03-28T20:41:12.925-04:00Hi Molly.
According to Ed Sanders, the gun used...Hi Molly. <br /><br />According to Ed Sanders, the gun used on Hinman was a 9mm owned by Bruce Davis.<br /><br />You're right.<br /><br />>>>The only reason I think Hinman<br />was planned is that Bruce Davis<br />states this in his letter to the<br />parole board. He says Hinman was<br />planned. Whether that is actually<br />true or not I'm not sure, but he<br />does tell the parole board that.>>><br /><br />Molly I really don't think Hinman was planned. At least, not the murder.<br /><br />At least, not by Bobby. And I really don't think it was planned by Charlie either.<br /><br />Charlie wanted money. He thought Gary had some. He told Bobby to get it.<br /><br />I don't think at that point that anyone thought about killing Gary. I think they just wanted the money.<br /><br />Bobby says many times, that things went too far when Charlie cut his ear off.<br /><br />He was afraid that Gary would go to the police and he would be arrested.<br /><br />I know Bobby killed Gary.<br /><br />And I don't think that Bruce or Charlie had anything to do with that.<br /><br />I think that was a decision Bobby made, probably in haste, but nonetheless, his decision.<br /><br />>>>I spoken with Bruce in a few <br />letters and I am just saying he<br />seems alot more truthful to me<br />than Manson. >>><br /><br />I don't think Bruce is any more truthful than Charlie or Tex. I think Bobby is a lot more truthful, although none of them reveal the entire truth.<br /><br />>>>No I don't believe<br />Bugliosi's race war motive it<br />just doesn't make sense.>>><br /><br />The "race war" was a screen that Charlie put up for his followers to do his bidding.<br /><br />It was a bunch of nonsense to keep them in control.<br /><br />So...no there wasn't a "helter skelter" really going on. Charlie just wanted the family to think that, so they would do his bidding.<br /><br />It was all about money.<br /><br />Money to get to the desert.<br /><br />Charlie was paranoid, and needed to get to the desert. He needed money for that.<br /><br />Hence...Gary Hinman. He thought he had money.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-32249744543186032662011-03-28T09:57:29.320-04:002011-03-28T09:57:29.320-04:00Katie,
I think You're right. The
gun used a...Katie,<br /><br /> I think You're right. The<br /> gun used at Crowe and Cielo<br /> was the same gun. The one<br /> used at Gary's was Bruce Davis's.<br /><br /> Kimchi,<br /><br /> Bobby mentions in an interview<br /> a few years back that when he<br /> gets arrested for Hinman. He was<br /> on his way to visit his pregnant<br /> girlfriend. I think he<br /> has other kids, but never talks<br /> about them.<br /><br /> The only reason I think Hinman<br /> was planned is that Bruce Davis<br /> states this in his letter to the<br /> parole board. He says Hinman was<br /> planned. Whether that is actually<br /> true or not I'm not sure, but he<br /> does tell the parole board that.<br /><br /> I spoken with Bruce in a few <br /> letters and I am just saying he<br /> seems alot more truthful to me<br /> than Manson. No I don't believe<br /> Bugliosi's race war motive it<br /> just doesn't make sense.Molly67https://www.blogger.com/profile/15795885653563084879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-17125567869798294252011-03-28T08:43:42.857-04:002011-03-28T08:43:42.857-04:00Molly - interesting stuff, I always wondered about...Molly - interesting stuff, I always wondered about Gail - Bug mentions her as "Gail Beausoleil" without further info...also, first time I heard about Bobby having another child..anymore info on that?Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-71578598279228376982011-03-28T01:01:21.113-04:002011-03-28T01:01:21.113-04:00Cool footage Bob! Thanks!
The latter part of the...Cool footage Bob! Thanks!<br /><br />The latter part of the 3rd clip, when TJ explains the Crowe shooting, is the best part.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-31486961932098268232011-03-28T00:04:19.988-04:002011-03-28T00:04:19.988-04:00I found it Bob, doing the search you suggested.
I ...I found it Bob, doing the search you suggested.<br />I haven't had a chance to watch it yet... but, I will soon!<br /><br />Everyone:<br />Paste this into your main browser (not the YouTube search), but your main browser.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlFQQUyV2ELynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-67333618959684266802011-03-27T22:58:45.620-04:002011-03-27T22:58:45.620-04:00Here's another freak of nature that thinks Cha...Here's another freak of nature that thinks Charlie is "innocent". HA HA.<br /><br />http://wn.com/Ansom13<br /><br />Flowers in her hair...Flowers everywhere....I love the flower girl...Oh I don't don't know just why...she simply caught my eye.<br /><br />HA HA.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-28797126605879109562011-03-27T22:55:32.094-04:002011-03-27T22:55:32.094-04:00Bobby did you mean this:
http://www.youtube.com/w...Bobby did you mean this:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlFQQUyV2Ekatie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-20403698672388035502011-03-27T22:00:59.179-04:002011-03-27T22:00:59.179-04:00Hi Bobby. I still can't get that link.
Don&#...Hi Bobby. I still can't get that link.<br /><br />Don't know what's going on???<br /><br />I'd like to see it.<br /><br />Is it on You Tube?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-52592239715233002702011-03-27T21:14:31.845-04:002011-03-27T21:14:31.845-04:00Bob... unfortuantely your address link to the TJ f...<b>Bob... unfortuantely your address link to the TJ footage got cut-off... and doesn't work.<br /><br />Sometimes on the longer adderess links, you gotta hit "enter" and split a portion to the next line, to get it all in.<br /><br />Bummer...<br />I really wanted to watch that video.</b>LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-53803006809738601632011-03-27T21:11:32.033-04:002011-03-27T21:11:32.033-04:00Circumstance said>>>
"L/S- alot of s...Circumstance said>>><br />"L/S- alot of stuff I read said that TJ was Charlies right hand man for awhile in many things. He was with him when they moved stuff from the Gresham house, and he is mentioned as being one of Charlies early sidekicks often"... <br /><br /><b>Saint, if you say so... I'll take your word as fact.<br />You always bring great facts to the table... and I have no reason to doubt you regarding TJ.<br />Truth be told... I know little-to-nothing about TJ, and was just clowning.</b><br /><br />Saint said>>>><br />"It may have been that he trusted TJ first, and after he chickened out- then subsequently fled- he moved onto others?? Maybe when Bobby was not an option, and TJ turned out to be unreliable- ( Watkins was split by now) Tex and Bruce became the next best option"s??<br /><br /><b>Sounds like very sound logic to me.</b>LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-44163995554981763452011-03-27T20:36:41.937-04:002011-03-27T20:36:41.937-04:00L/S- alot of stuff I read said that TJ was Charlie...L/S- alot of stuff I read said that TJ was Charlies right hand man for awhile in many things. He was with him when they moved stuff from the Gresham house, and he is mentioned as being one of Charlies early sidekicks often... <br /><br />It may have been that he trusted TJ first, and after he chickened out- then subsequently fled- he moved onto others?? Maybe when Bobby was not an option, and TJ turned out to be unreliable- ( Watkins was split by now) Tex and Bruce became the next best options??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-8629881414434671832011-03-27T19:54:02.280-04:002011-03-27T19:54:02.280-04:00Hi Circumstance...
Yeah, TJ stood-out even amongs...Hi Circumstance...<br /><br />Yeah, TJ stood-out <i>even amongst that group</i>.<br />He looks down-right demented.<br /><br />I'm not surprised in the least to learn he wasn't violent though.<br />I seriously think he'd be hard-pressed to even stand-up! LOL<br /><br />It's amazing that CM devised such an elabprate rouge, with the gun hidden... and he chose <i>that guy</i>, to literally "have his back". <br />TJ looks like the type of criminal who would fall asleep in the get-away car! LOL<br />If I was Manson, I think I would've chosen someone a bit more coherent! LOLLynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-43661526039545710602011-03-27T19:37:16.308-04:002011-03-27T19:37:16.308-04:00Hi Molly,
If you say the motive was inheritance, ...Hi Molly,<br /><br />If you say the motive was inheritance, you'll get no argument from me.<br />Drugs or inheritance... <br />it equals money either way.<br />The bottom line was money.<br /><br />Hinman doesn't strike me to be the serious "drug dealer" type.<br />The guy probably sold pot, and acid... and acid wasn't even illegal back then was it?<br /><br />Also... as Circumstance pointed-out:<br />Wouldn't a serious drug dealer have a lot more visitors?<br />...or, at least a few visitors over a couple days?<br />It evidently wasn't a very large-scale, lucrative business, if there were no visitors.<br /><br />It's very possible, they were there for inheritance money... and after Manson cut his ear... Bobby killed Hinman, for fear he'd tell the police. (as Manson said)<br /><br />In the end, your theory holds as much water as any...<br /><br />As Circumstance also said:<br />"its anyone's guess why they went there- like everything else in this case- there are 4 or 5 stories- even the people involved have different versions"...<br /><br />Inheritance certainly paints Hinman in a better light... and Hinman was by most accounts a decent guy.<br /><br />Thanks for your input Molly.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-36981432942743777842011-03-27T19:22:34.726-04:002011-03-27T19:22:34.726-04:00Hi Bob,
Thank You for locating the 3-part serie...Hi Bob,<br /><br /> Thank You for locating the 3-part series. <br />I really enjoyed watching it.<br />Until the last half of the thrid section, Manson was down-right lucid.<br /><br />I wish there were more productive interviews with Manson.<br />Usually Manson is interrupted so frequently by the interviewer, it goes nowhere.<br />I think most interviewers are desperate for shock value, and consequently, don't allow Manson to finish a thought.<br /><br />Thanks Again!LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-18527007951793456782011-03-27T19:09:16.174-04:002011-03-27T19:09:16.174-04:00Hi Molly. Welcome aboard.
>>>Molly said:...Hi Molly. Welcome aboard.<br /><br />>>>Molly said: Bobby was not married. I think<br />your talking about his common <br />law wife Gail. Yes he did have<br />a child with her. No miscarriage.<br />and as far as I know the child is<br />still living.>>><br /><br />I know Bobby wasn't married. I was just saying that's what Charlie said on the video on this thread. <br /><br />I'm not sure who Charlie was talking about, since he mentioned miscarriage.<br /><br />>>>Katie Hinman didn't own a gun.<br />The gun used at the scene<br />was actually Bruce Davis's<br />gun. Bobby borrowed it from<br />Bruce. Bruce mentions in his<br />hearings that it is his gun.<br />I don't think this is the same <br />gun used at Cielo however.>>><br /><br />I know the gun belonged to someone in the family. I was thinking it was the buntline used in the Cielo Drive murders and also to shoot Crowe. But I could be wrong on that one.<br /><br />>>>Personally I know one of<br />Gary's relatives. And he told<br />me that Gary wasn't killed<br />due to a drug debt. It<br />was for inheritance money.<br />He is very credible to<br />me. I believe him. Also<br />Bruce Davis states the same <br />thing in a letter he writes.<br />He states Gary wasn't a drug <br />dealer and that he was killed<br />for inheritance money. When<br />he didn't give them the money<br />the decision was made to kill<br />Gary.>>><br /><br />Molly I had heard that too, that Charlie thought Gary had inherited quite a bit of money, and told Bobby to go get it.<br /><br />>>>yes I also believe it<br />was planned ahead of time.>>><br /><br />You believed what was planned ahead of time? The murder of Hinman??<br /><br />>>>St. Circumstance said: Thanks- but it is very warm here, so let me adjust the pic for the season lol....<br /><br />There- now I am back lol>>><br /><br />Welcome back dear friend. You look very cheery in your summer duds. HA HA.<br /><br />Bobby thanks for posting that link. Quite informative!!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-80508916641117089852011-03-27T15:13:07.248-04:002011-03-27T15:13:07.248-04:00Lynyrd
Personally I know one of
Gary's relati...Lynyrd<br /><br />Personally I know one of<br />Gary's relatives. And he told<br />me that Gary wasn't killed<br />due to a drug debt. It<br />was for inheritance money.<br />He is very credible to<br />me. I believe him. Also<br />Bruce Davis states the same <br />thing in a letter he writes.<br />He states Gary wasn't a drug <br />dealer and that he was killed<br />for inheritance money. When<br />he didn't give them the money<br />the decision was made to kill<br />Gary. yes I also believe it<br />was planned ahead of time.Molly67https://www.blogger.com/profile/15795885653563084879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-5953563561456236042011-03-27T12:25:14.777-04:002011-03-27T12:25:14.777-04:00Thanks- but it is very warm here, so let me adjust...Thanks- but it is very warm here, so let me adjust the pic for the season lol....<br /><br />There- now I am back lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-87476815049737292552011-03-27T12:21:02.516-04:002011-03-27T12:21:02.516-04:00>>>St. Circumstance said: O.K. Katie- Go...>>>St. Circumstance said: O.K. Katie- Good idea>>><br /><br />YYYYYYYEEEEEEEAAAAAA. Welcome back!!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-8077943801758067282011-03-27T12:18:46.448-04:002011-03-27T12:18:46.448-04:00O.K. Katie- Good ideaO.K. Katie- Good ideaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-66558671611265577872011-03-27T12:14:32.186-04:002011-03-27T12:14:32.186-04:00Hi guys. St. why don't you just sign in with ...Hi guys. St. why don't you just sign in with your name and avatar and then you won't have to keep explaining who you are. HA HA.<br /><br />I don't think Bobby killed Gary to save Manson, I think he did it to save himself.<br /><br />The reason Bobby & the girls were at Hinman's was to get money. Now if it involved a drug burn, that depends on who you're listening to I guess.<br /><br />Gypsy has said in past interviews (and I know she's not the pillar of truth) that Charlie was desperate to get to the desert. He thought he had killed Crowe and was paranoid that the black panthers were going to come to the ranch and kill him.<br /><br />In order to get to the desert, Charlie needed money fast.<br /><br />Charlie wanted Hinman's money. I personally don't think Hinman had any money.<br /><br />Good 'ole baby-killing Tex states that Charlie told him to "go to the house where Melcher used to live, kill everyone there, and get as much money as you can. We need $800. If you don't get that much at that house, keep going from house to house until you get $800".<br /><br />But we all know Tex is a liar, soo.......katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-79750895132528594182011-03-27T11:39:16.723-04:002011-03-27T11:39:16.723-04:00St. CSt. CAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-23969805299901722712011-03-27T11:38:57.394-04:002011-03-27T11:38:57.394-04:00Yes L/S- that is exactly who I am talking about- l...Yes L/S- that is exactly who I am talking about- lol can't confuse that crazy looking smile with anyone else- even in that group...<br /><br />He looks scarier than any of them- but by all acounts i have read- he never did any violence at all, and in fact was afraid of Charlie himself after the Crowe incident..<br /><br />Gary was probably the type of drug dealer that my friends are- they do not solicit strangers much- but make a few extra dollars selling to friends who would get it elsewhere- and in the process saved himself a few bucks...<br /><br />If he were a regular dealer- in the couple of days they held him- wouldn't at least a few people have stopped by???<br /><br />I do think they thought he had money- but not really sure if they thought it was from inheritance or drugs- I have heard both...<br /><br />Bobby sounds the most reasonable today to me of all of them, and I think he knows that... I think he always had the habit of saying whatever he thought put himself in the best light... He has the most potential of giving us some real insight and truth into what really went down, and maybe one more 5 year denial- and he finally releases the book he has been promising...<br /><br />When Bobby finally gets the sense he is not going anywhere- we may finally get something close to truth regarding what he knows firsthand...<br /><br />In the meantime- its anyone's guess why they went there- like everything else in this case- there are 4 or 5 stories- even the people involved have different versions...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-249589971793167362011-03-27T10:45:35.382-04:002011-03-27T10:45:35.382-04:00Molly...
If drugs weren't the primary motive, ...Molly...<br />If drugs weren't the primary motive, the next logical question is... why were they there?<br /><br />I'm not dis-agreeing with you... but, there's got to be a motive.<br /><br />Let's assume for a moment Manson is completely dead-on in this interview:<br />Manson explains that Bobby killed Hinman... to keep Hinman from reporting the ear incident, thus sending Manson back to prison.<br />So... Bobby was being a loyal friend... as it were.<br /><br /><b>BUT</b>... why were Manson, Bobby (et,al) there in the first place, slicing ears and what-not... if not involving a drug burn?<br />Is there more to Katie's "inheritance" theory?LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.com