tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post2337617358582014200..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Ultimate Evil Part 2: Manson, Folger... and Shea?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-17108372351848811582013-01-27T21:26:03.257-05:002013-01-27T21:26:03.257-05:00plenty of members and ex-members, and now grown ch...plenty of members and ex-members, and now grown children of the Love commune in Washington State ( I know em) and they have or had NOTHING to do with mansonSam Peckinpawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06457954156018762307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-54704549980731453772013-01-26T22:43:40.925-05:002013-01-26T22:43:40.925-05:00Oh BTW.
"Meanwhile, back at the ranch"...Oh BTW. <br /><br />"Meanwhile, back at the ranch"....Charlie didn't allow his minions to wear glasses or have watches.<br /><br />Well it seems that ole Chuckie is sportin' a pair of reading glasses, and the others have acquiesced as well.<br /><br />Do you suppose ole Chuckie is now wearing a timepiece?<br /><br />"Hey...what time is that parole hearin'? <br /><br />HA HA.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-15803916950537460212013-01-26T21:00:55.282-05:002013-01-26T21:00:55.282-05:00I agree with Mr. P. Shorty was already at Spahn&#...I agree with Mr. P. Shorty was already at Spahn's Ranch when the family horned in because they were kicked out of every other place in town.<br /><br />I don't think that Shorty (nicknamed "Shorty" because he was tall) was ever a friend with Manson. I think he disliked him from the minute he and his brood moved into the Ranch. He knew that Charlie conned ole George and didn't trust him at all.<br /><br />And Manson knew that. I think Shorty talked to others about the murders and Squeaky blabbed to Charlie (talk about not "squealing").<br /><br />Manson was afraid that Shorty knew too much about the murders. Not because Shorty knew Folger, but because he heard the bragging by Clem and others around the Ranch.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-82473856175448780802013-01-26T18:56:34.826-05:002013-01-26T18:56:34.826-05:00I honestly don't think Abigail had dinner with...I honestly don't think Abigail had dinner with Manson or Shea. I also don't believe that Manson attended one of Inez' fund raisers either. In everything I've read about Charlie, I've never seen where he was interested in raising funds for anyone but himself.<br /><br />Just because Folger & Brunner worked at Berkeley doesn't mean they ever even ran into each other. It's a big campus.<br /><br />I can't imagine Folger spending five minutes with someone like Charlie. She was refined and educated. He couldn't count to 12 without taking his shoes off.<br /><br />Sorry just don't see that one happening.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-88994817846512302102013-01-26T17:58:33.268-05:002013-01-26T17:58:33.268-05:00[quote]The source's statement—which was suppor...[quote]The source's statement—which was supported by that of another California informant who said Shea also knew Bill Mentzer's associatesdestroys Helter Skelter as the only motive for the slayings and clearly demonstrates there were other factors involved. The New York informants had hit the target again[end quote]<br /><br />Poirot says:<br />This reveals an incorrect agenda. Terry reveals he thinks Helter Skelter was Bugliosi' only motive. Read the opening statemnt by Bugliosi over at Cielo .com and in Bugliosi's book Helter Skelter. There were multiple motives clearly stated by Bugliosi.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-74908797992402959212013-01-26T17:46:31.169-05:002013-01-26T17:46:31.169-05:00[quote]One of the others at the table was an aspir...[quote]One of the others at the table was an aspiring actor and stuntman named Donald (Shorty) Shea. He later headed south to Los Angeles and found work at the Spahn movie ranch[end quote]<br /><br />Poirot says:<br />Here is a Terry quote that is just plain made up and reveals Maury Terry has huge gaps in his case knowledge. Shorty had been employed at Spahn Ranch for years prior to 1967. Spahn Ranch was his home base at the time Terry claims Shorty dined in SF in 67.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-89268994367369632062013-01-26T10:01:08.563-05:002013-01-26T10:01:08.563-05:00Ed Sanders says many things that are laughable in ...Ed Sanders says many things that are laughable in his book "The Family" but if you consider that Sanders had his book released in 1971 it is still quite an accomplishment.<br /><br />If any of the info by Terry came from Sandra Good just consider that Sandra told many deliberate lies(about Linda Kasabian for example)that were designed to destroy the nature of the States case. It is very likely that Sandra would lie strategic intent.<br /><br />I don't think there is any proven evidence that Manson knew of Spahns ranch in 67 or that he knew Shorty in 67 much less having met Shorty in SF. The hippies came to Spahns and met Shorty there. Shorty did not go to the hippies. Shorty's range was LA and Las Vegas and his circle of friends were cowboys and strippers. Shorty is the easiest to remove from that seafood resturant that night. He was in his marriage with Magdalene in 67.<br /><br />Placing Gibby, Charlie and Shorty together ANYWHERE is a tough sell.<br /><br />If Shorty had ever met Gibby prior for dinner he would have heard her name the day she was murdered and guessed Charlie was behind it.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-14076555690421707542013-01-26T07:31:36.327-05:002013-01-26T07:31:36.327-05:00Good luck on finding Maury Matt! I remember readin...Good luck on finding Maury Matt! I remember reading once that the reason Terry is in hiding is because certain things in his book hit very close to the truth and he fears for his life.adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933298225285078484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-59558061648450591342013-01-26T05:43:00.113-05:002013-01-26T05:43:00.113-05:00The wiki on the Seattle "Love Family" is...The wiki on the Seattle "Love Family" is interesting. Perhaps an influence on Charlie. A template for his Family, with their affirmations, cult-like communal living and so on.<br /><br />Maybe one of their original members can recall the 5 foot 2 Manson arriving with the 6 foot 5 Shorty Shea? ...Sounds like it'd be memorable - the convict-christ imp and the lanky movie cowpoke together.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-64877791277892777512013-01-26T01:51:38.531-05:002013-01-26T01:51:38.531-05:00Thanks Bobby.
Theres no proof for any of the stuf... Thanks Bobby.<br /> Theres no proof for any of the stuff in this post but its interesting to think about regardless.<br /> I'm not sure Terry was saying that Manson knowing Abigail Folger was a direct line to the murders i'd have to read through the book again but I wouldn't be shocked if they did know each other on some level.<br /> The thing that surprised me was Shorty Shea being involved...the first time I read that I was taken aback.<br /> You know if someone was going to make up a story about all this You'd think They'd have said that Watson or Davis was there but Shorty Shea?<br /> That was out of left Field to say the least.<br /> The only reason i give this any creedence was because I thought He did such a good job with the original thesis of the Book(Berkowitz not acting alone)that I couldn't see Him screwing that up with a bunch of crazy TLB theories that He made up just to have something sensational to write about for the update.<br /> But stranger things have happened so who knows.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13702047000467740558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-29238974219784541052013-01-25T19:46:45.215-05:002013-01-25T19:46:45.215-05:00Thanks, Matt.
MrPoirot, or maybe the fact that Cha...Thanks, Matt.<br />MrPoirot, or maybe the fact that Charlie knew Gibby was there was one of the reasons for the murders. It seemed like everything that he hated or made him angry was represented at Cielo - famous, rich, beautiful people who spurned him.CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-16440821685895751912013-01-25T19:35:43.354-05:002013-01-25T19:35:43.354-05:00If it had been Charlie and three girls that night ...If it had been Charlie and three girls that night at Cielo and Charlie recognized Gibby there would have been no murders.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-71543488750249116602013-01-25T18:05:59.657-05:002013-01-25T18:05:59.657-05:00Matt thanks for all your work in providing this fo...Matt thanks for all your work in providing this for us.<br /><br /><i>Ed Sanders had heard that Manson attended a fund-raising event in San Francisco that was chaired by Abigail Folger's mother.</i><br /><br />Manson at a fund raiser? Was it white tie and tails? He was probably picking pockets. LOL.<br /><br />So now we have the motive for the Cielo drive murders to be the fact that Gibby wouldn't put out for Manson?<br /><br />Hmmmm......katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.com