tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post209215607775148916..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger94125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-20242136950251119512011-12-12T11:44:43.256-05:002011-12-12T11:44:43.256-05:00beauders, I still think that Melcher and Wilson wo...beauders, I still think that Melcher and Wilson would have, or should have, suspected Manson, even without knowing about the words Helter Skelter at the crime scene. Just the fact that the murders took place at Cielo should have alerted Melcher, at the very least.CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-33365735467173573782011-12-12T10:36:03.368-05:002011-12-12T10:36:03.368-05:00thnaks Katie and Beauders...I really should do my ...thnaks Katie and Beauders...I really should do my homework before commenting...that is really interesting info Beauders, as always you are a beacon of clarity.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-34609878449820066632011-12-12T01:37:40.163-05:002011-12-12T01:37:40.163-05:00the phrase helter skelter was never released to th...the phrase helter skelter was never released to the press--it was kept secret as a poly key by the police. melcher and wilson both said if they had known that was written they would have known instantly who had committed the murders. also the family was on a list the police had to check out in regards to the labianca murders.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-48681349253641640092011-12-10T19:52:17.553-05:002011-12-10T19:52:17.553-05:00Leary, I don't think that Candace Bergen knew ...Leary, I don't think that Candace Bergen knew much of anything about Charlie. She mentions that she saw him once and went "eewwwww".katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-71597077301649962882011-12-10T15:51:27.443-05:002011-12-10T15:51:27.443-05:00yeah Lynyrd, it is an interesting area of speculat...yeah Lynyrd, it is an interesting area of speculation.<br />Refresh me please on who exactly denies those phrases were used by the Family. That certainly seems illogical and farfetched.<br />I seem to recall that folk like Jakobson and Springer eventually did go to the police with their suspicions, though I am vague on the exact time line, but Melcher and Wilson seemed to have put blinders on and assumed the Sgt Shultz position - I see nothing, I know nothing.<br />Still, you woulda thunk one of their girlfriends or such would have come forward if they had openly voiced suspicions. Maybe we need to lobby to get Candy Bergen on a polygraph.<br />Then again, given what happened to Shorty and maybe Ronald Hughes and Barbara Hoyt and possibly others, maybe "dummying up" was the smart move.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-47863731531923496122011-12-10T12:37:44.782-05:002011-12-10T12:37:44.782-05:00Yeah...
It's a great point Leary.
It's a...Yeah...<br /><br />It's a great point Leary.<br /><br />It's a point which would enrage some folks... because some folks maintain that "Pig", "HS", "comin' down fast"... and all those catch-phrases were never used, or discussed by Manson, or the family.<br />That camp believes Bugliosi completely fabricated all those catch-phrases from thin air.<br />But personally... I agree with you.<br /><br />Wilson spent loads of time with these yahoos... essentially living with them for a stretch.<br /><br />He must have heard Manson's entire "rap", many times.<br />He had to...<br />Manson never shuts the f#ck up.<br />That's Manson 101.<br /><br />I've seen (on video) Wilson explain, that he and Manson, would sit and chat at length, on many occassions.<br /><br />Heck... <br />I've even read testimony, suggesting that Manson would sit and talk the blind George Spahn's ear off, on occasion! LOL <br /><br />Manson could talk a dog off a meat wagon.<br />That's a fact.<br /><br />The fact that Wilson and Melcher had zero clue... is kinda strange.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-30622146922806980902011-12-10T12:15:58.877-05:002011-12-10T12:15:58.877-05:00Here's the thing about the Melcher/Wilson awar...Here's the thing about the Melcher/Wilson awareness issue....<br />I find it impossible to believe that given the amount of time Dennis spent around Charlie and the family that he NEVER heard them use the phrase pig or piggies. Or Helter Skelter. Greg Jakkobsen heard it often. As did Al Springer and other non-family folk. And when news reports had "death to pigs" and "pig" and Helter Skelter written in blood at the crime scenes...HOW THE F DO YOU NOT PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER???<br />No, there is simply now way I can accept that the real possibility of Manson involvement did not cross the minds of Melcher and Wilson in the month(s) after the murders. Odds are overwhelming they heard those phrases from the mouths of family members and read about them being written in blood in news reports. Their actions, or inactions, have never been adaquately explained in my hopefully humble opinion.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-66120000549183558762011-12-09T21:04:05.007-05:002011-12-09T21:04:05.007-05:00Thanks for sharing Lynn...Thanks for sharing Lynn...Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-30888413858889341192011-12-09T20:58:30.393-05:002011-12-09T20:58:30.393-05:00Lynn, why are you writing a convicted killer?
Sha...Lynn, why are you writing a convicted killer?<br /><br />Shame, shame on you!<br /><br />If you are so bored, why not write to shut-ins or elderly folks who have been dropped off and forgotten.<br /><br />Bobby is a killer. He killed for no reason. He will never get out. Who wants to read his stupid book?<br /><br />If his wife doesn't like it that he isn't "home for Christmas" too fucking bad. She knew the stakes when she got in.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-51671106501536911812011-12-09T19:32:34.546-05:002011-12-09T19:32:34.546-05:00Dont get sucked in though Lynn- read the whole sit...Dont get sucked in though Lynn- read the whole site...<br /><br />he contradicts himself quite a bit...<br /><br />he seems very together and honest and real... much more so than almost any of the others... ( save maybe Katie)<br /><br />but if you read it all- you will see he is very full of himself, and still has that rebellious streak, and still glorifies himself...<br /><br />maybe he should..<br /><br />but he Slaughtered and tortured someone who he called a friend...<br /><br />until that person was deader than a doornail as my dad used to say<br /><br />Thoughtful guy that he is...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-73881147085400653762011-12-09T19:28:52.442-05:002011-12-09T19:28:52.442-05:00Wow talk about the horses mouth lol
( not a LULU ...Wow talk about the horses mouth lol<br /><br />( not a LULU reference lol)<br /><br />Very interesting Lynn....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-62168727287850030942011-12-09T19:05:34.117-05:002011-12-09T19:05:34.117-05:00An e-mail I received from Bobby B recently:
If I ...An e-mail I received from Bobby B recently:<br /><br />If I estimated a due date on the book it would be a big tease to both of us. I'm just going to keep plugging away on it till it's done. You will be on the mailing list for announcements in relation to my work, so you'll know when it comes out provided you don't change your email address without letting us know. Thanks for your interest in reading what I have to say.<br /> <br /> Bobby<br /><br /> -<br /> <br /> --- On Thu, 10/20/11, Bobby BeauSoleil wrote:<br /><br /><br /> From: Bobby BeauSoleil <br /> Subject: overdue reply<br /> <br /> Date: Thursday, October 20, 2011, 4:48 PM<br /><br /> Hello Lynn,<br /> <br /> Thank you for the message you sent to me (yipes!) way back in January. I hadn't meant for it to be so long getting back to you. Writing a book, composing and recording a new album, holding down a regular job, trying to stay in touch with family and friends on a fairly regular basis - it all adds up to making it difficult to keep up with email correspondence. Honestly, I do my best but life is a bitch.<br /> <br /> The chapter you read (Dead End) on the website is still part of the book but it has gone through a major rewrite. It is much better now. I have made some significant progress on the book. Not as much as I would like, though. Writing a book about one's life and perspective is no easy task, I'm finding. The book is gradually taking shape, and writing it is getting to be more fun the deeper I get into it.<br /> <br /> Regarding aspirations . . .When I was younger I wanted to become a good musician and to be successful doing it. In the late 60s society in this country was in such a state of flux it was hard to have clear plans for the future, or to have much certainty that there would be a future to plan for. The book will go into this in much more depth.<br /> <br /> Hocus, Snofox's offspring, was the last dog I had with me prior to my arrest. I left him with a friend who had a ranch just a couple of months earlier because I was having trouble carrying my responsibility to him - almost as if I had a premonition of the trouble that was brewing in my life.<br /> <br /> Bobby<br /> <br /><br /> ----- Original Message -----<br /> <br /> To: bobby@beausoleil.net<br /> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:51 PM<br /><br /> Hi Bobby,<br /> <br /> I have only visited your site once before. I was just now on your site and read in the Chronicles Section, Dead End. Your writing is amazing. I could feel your emotions and felt like I was in the cell with you. Very prolific. I hope that it is part of your book and that your book will come out soon. <br /> <br /> Reading about you when you were younger, as we all did, you lived in the NOW. When you are in your late teens and early twenties, I think sometimes we are more focused on now rather than later. However, even when I was that age, I would think.....when I am beyond these years...this is where I would like to be. <br /> Lastly, I love your stories about your white dogs. Animals are so much a part of our lives. I have a cat who is 16 years old and is a constant companion. Did you have a dog at the time you were incarcerated and what happened to that animal?<br /> <br /> Thank you for your honesty and your site. I wish you the best in this New Year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-40569999709859945332011-12-09T18:40:25.219-05:002011-12-09T18:40:25.219-05:00Carol, that is a good point about why Melcher didn...Carol, that is a good point about why Melcher didn't put two and two together after the Cielo Drive killings and come up with Manson.<br /><br />Maybe because the murders occurred several months after he moved and the police at that time were looking more toward a motive that connected the victims to some type of activity that was potentially lethal???katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-64942155549675048212011-12-09T18:38:02.718-05:002011-12-09T18:38:02.718-05:00>>>Patty said: Patty has always found it...>>>Patty said: Patty has always found it odd that Brett's site gets called "a great site, one of the best" even though he outed Clem, and basically ruined the man's life (what's left of it).>>><br /><br />Clem ruined his own life by deciding to join in on killing. He didn't do much for Shorty's life either.<br /><br />Brett said on his website that when he discovered where Clem was, he thought long and hard about whether to announce it or not. Then he finally decided that he owed his readers this information because that's a lot of what his site was: new info Manson related.<br /><br />Brett's site was the best site I've ever seen just for browsing around and reading information, newspaper and magazines articles, interviews, parole hearings, police reports, autopsy reports, biographies, courtroom transcripts, rare photos, etc. <br /><br />I, for one, will miss it.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-37938898590286218422011-12-09T18:19:33.707-05:002011-12-09T18:19:33.707-05:00Leary said:
"by the by, I did find my way to ...Leary said:<br /><i>"by the by, I did find my way to T&L - I always really liked those ladies. They have a great interview with Stephen King on his Oswald book. Really interesting stuff as his perspective might relate to the TLB story as well".</i><br /><br />Thelma and Louise are nice ladies.<br />I have many great memories there, and wish them all the best.<br />I wish they would spend a bit of time here, chatting with us... as, I have little time to post over there.<br />But, I still go over and make a joke now and then, and always wish them well for the major holidays.<br />And although I don't post... I still read their threads regularly.<br />A classic blogging spot, for sure...<br /><br />Definitely cool folks.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-74705706815095303722011-12-09T18:12:50.066-05:002011-12-09T18:12:50.066-05:00Carol...
That's a very interesting point.
On...Carol...<br /><br />That's a very interesting point.<br /><br />One has to wonder how Melcher... or even Wilson for that matter... didn't at least, have "sneaky suspicions".<br /><br />As Leary said it better:<br /><i>"didn't (Melcher and Wilson) at least give pause to the notion that Manson and his idiots had something to do with the carnage at Cielo".</i><br /><br />A guy like Melcher meets this weird band of characters... essentially, turns them down... and, is admittedly terrified of them:<br />But when several folks are slaughtered in his very ex-residence... these same strange folks (ie, Manson) never cross his brain as a "what if"?<br /> <br />Huh?<br /><br />That's certainly an interesting thought.<br /><br />Maybe it's like accusing someone of being a thief?<br />You better be damn sure you're right, before you open your mouth.<br />You don't want to label someone a thief, just on a 'suspicion".<br />In this case we're talking murder... and the folks Melcher would be accusing, he feared...<br /><br />Maybe deep-down, Melcher DID give pause to the notion... but, decided to keep his mouth shut, since he had no way of being sure... or moreover proving it.<br /><br />Just a thought... in response top your thought.<br /><br />Thanks Carol!LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-33197184540317802252011-12-09T18:09:31.185-05:002011-12-09T18:09:31.185-05:00Neil Young was just about to join Crosby Stills an...Neil Young was just about to join Crosby Stills ans Nash at that point- that band was brought together at Mama Cass' House...<br /><br />Where did Charlie Meet Neil do you think???<br /><br />was Neil horse back riding at Spahn lol<br /><br /><br />Or maybe where we know the rest of them were hanging out for sure????<br /><br />which was across the street from, and also frequented by????<br /><br /><br />a lot of coincidences??? Still no proof Gibby or voytek met Charlie at Cass'...<br /><br />maybe not<br /><br />Also Melcher produced the Bryds- so he was very close with David Crosby as well....<br /><br />Throw in Wilson, and you are taking a group of people and hand picking who knew Charlie and who didnt...<br /><br />seemingly to me based mostly on who it can be proved knew him before TLB- as they are the only ones who cant play ignorant....<br /><br />more likely- that whole circle had met him...<br /><br />Still- if and what that meant in the big picture is still uncertain to me....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-41161495514840112922011-12-09T18:01:44.925-05:002011-12-09T18:01:44.925-05:00by the by, I did find my way to T&L - I always...by the by, I did find my way to T&L - I always really liked those ladies. They have a great interview with Stephen King on his Oswald book. Really interesting stuff as his perspective might relate to the TLB story as well.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-34153476238419775682011-12-09T18:01:34.788-05:002011-12-09T18:01:34.788-05:00once you realize who it CAN be proved in those mus...once you realize who it CAN be proved in those music circles Charlie DID meet..<br /><br />and knowing how close they all were to each other...<br /><br />it starts to be hard to believe there were only one or two of them he DIDN'T meet...<br /><br />when you think about it....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-45982995469647123412011-12-09T17:58:52.484-05:002011-12-09T17:58:52.484-05:00Sure they did L/S
we have talked about trying to ...Sure they did L/S<br /><br />we have talked about trying to prove who knew who...taking some liberties to fill in the blanks- because of time and lapse of memory- plus unwillingness to be involved..<br /><br />You know I have been harping on the <br /><br />" Laurel Canyon Connection" <br /><br />because if you want to go along with any motive that says they knew each other- you trace where and how they knew each other to its roots...<br /><br />and MAMA put all of these Music people together... Mama also knew some victims...<br /><br />We will NEVER get a step by step account if they all did hang out- but if you can connect ENOUGH dots to show they DID...<br /><br />MAYBE you are onto something...<br /><br />IF- as Leary said earlier- there is ANYTHING to be onto...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-41947964428682075792011-12-09T17:51:47.521-05:002011-12-09T17:51:47.521-05:00V717...
Thanks for the footage of Neil Young.
In...V717...<br /><br />Thanks for the footage of Neil Young.<br /><br />In the past, I've read that exact interview in print.<br /><br />I've seen Neil's words in text form... <br /><br />But, to see Neil Young actually speak those words on screen (regarding Manson), was powerful.<br /><br />There's something about direct human communication, that text can't completely capture.<br />It's simply more convincing...<br /><br />These guys really did, know each other.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-83333033564335914582011-12-09T17:41:43.075-05:002011-12-09T17:41:43.075-05:00Agreed, Leary. Peace. Patty is feeling a little f...Agreed, Leary. Peace. Patty is feeling a little feisty today obviously... RIP, Brett.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-53353153601641871642011-12-09T17:33:33.312-05:002011-12-09T17:33:33.312-05:00Sorry I meant Rock Band...
Playing dates with Bob...Sorry I meant Rock Band...<br /><br />Playing dates with Bob Weir and Steve Miller are not exactly the way to keep on the down low....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-31129827469423698132011-12-09T17:32:10.109-05:002011-12-09T17:32:10.109-05:00St. Says...
Clem got more life than he deserved
...St. Says...<br /><br />Clem got more life than he deserved<br /><br />Too bad he cant tour the country with a rock and still keep his anonymity..<br /><br />Too bad for old Clem.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-18599377152218625702011-12-09T17:27:55.871-05:002011-12-09T17:27:55.871-05:00interesting point Patty, but a really dangerous ca...interesting point Patty, but a really dangerous can of worms. It started a holy war over at T&L a year or so ago. i just say the blog world is neither a fair or rationale place at times and leave it at that.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.com