tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post1922903432856936567..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Starviego writes... regarding Gary Hinman murder motiveUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-70669483362716353152020-07-13T10:45:28.377-04:002020-07-13T10:45:28.377-04:00Before we beat our own brains out trying to figure...Before we beat our own brains out trying to figure out "Why Bobby/The Manson Family killed Gary Hinman" let's stop to remember that there is not one single solitary shred of evidence that they DID. It's clear from the interview transcripts and trial transcripts that the "prosecution" themselves flailed around for months trying find a "motive" for Bobby B to kill Gary. We're doing the same thing. But I'll say it again--there is NO actual evidence that he DID kill Gary. For that matter, there is NO evidence they killed ANYBODY. 99 percent of the "evidence" against the Manson Family in ANY of the murders is the "testimony" of Susan Atkins. Here's a crazy hypothesis--"somebody" else did the murders, for whatever reason, and got Charlie to use his "Family" to tamper with the crime scenes and maybe take the blame. Keep in mind, at that time, Susan Atkins said she was more or less looking forward to dying in the gas chamber, because she believed death was only "the next step." No one expected SCOTUS to throw out their death sentences a couple of years later. Back to my point--maybe, the reason why no one--after FIFTY YEARS--no one, not even the "Family" themselves, can come up with a comprehensible motive for why the "Manson Family" committed all these murders is simply because they didn't actually do it. I mean, why could this case be any different from Ottis Toole or David Berkowitz? In the sense of letting someone take the blame for a bunch of murders he didn't actually commit, just to get the cases closed? Even if Berkowitz did commit two of the "Son of Sam" shootings, he quite clearly did not commit at least 4 of them. I'm not saying I can prove the Manson Family is "innocent." I just think it's funny there's no evidence they're guilty. TheStonesUnturnedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03708617965747203575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-57958868490558885402019-08-04T23:00:54.082-04:002019-08-04T23:00:54.082-04:00Thanks Beauders. We're all fine! Thanks so m...Thanks Beauders. We're all fine! Thanks so much for thinking of us!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-14199489515677061522019-08-04T21:19:42.703-04:002019-08-04T21:19:42.703-04:00Katie, I hope you and your family are safe and no ...Katie, I hope you and your family are safe and no where near the shooting in El Paso.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-76909867436288259132019-08-02T20:30:00.523-04:002019-08-02T20:30:00.523-04:00Yes it is quite a coincidence that both wanted to ...Yes it is quite a coincidence that both wanted to be nuns and ended up murderers spending their lives in prison.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-82482888952356644342019-08-02T12:32:41.274-04:002019-08-02T12:32:41.274-04:00Oh okay, they both wanted to be Nuns. They went f...Oh okay, they both wanted to be Nuns. They went from Nuns to killers. Interesting...<br /><br />Douglas and the little girls are all so very cute! I think Thomas is planning on giving Hope some kind of drug that he got from his pal Vinny. Thomas is really despicable.<br /><br />Yeah soaps are predictable. I'm assuming Liam and Hope will get back together and take baby Beth from Steffy, and Steffy will try and get even or something. Maybe she & Thomas will gang up on them.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-11503445343775289012019-08-02T12:06:29.456-04:002019-08-02T12:06:29.456-04:00Oh and Hope will give in and sleep with Thomas bef...Oh and Hope will give in and sleep with Thomas before Liam gets to her. Eventually she and Liam will get back together and she'll discover she is pregnant. Soaps are predictable. beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-817650375430371572019-08-02T12:01:39.724-04:002019-08-02T12:01:39.724-04:00Steffy's daughter is also adorable on BB. I am...Steffy's daughter is also adorable on BB. I am not a kid person but those two are really cute.The daughters blond hair and curls really stand out to me. Of course these kids are on tv because of their looks.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-60547171969946923712019-08-02T11:55:25.400-04:002019-08-02T11:55:25.400-04:00Douglas is the best character on BB, I think that ...Douglas is the best character on BB, I think that kid is adorable.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-63109456832699744762019-08-02T11:53:37.189-04:002019-08-02T11:53:37.189-04:00Both. Pat wanted to be a Catholic nun, Leslie want...Both. Pat wanted to be a Catholic nun, Leslie wanted to be a New Age nun, she joined a New Age group with the boy who got her pregnant Life Fellowship or something like that.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-73641521454659716112019-08-02T10:39:13.247-04:002019-08-02T10:39:13.247-04:00Beauders I thought it was Leslie who was going to ...Beauders I thought it was Leslie who was going to be a Nun. Was it Krenwinkel?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-60970723118198580222019-08-02T10:38:28.475-04:002019-08-02T10:38:28.475-04:00Dill I agree. Anybody with self esteem would neve...Dill I agree. Anybody with self esteem would never had joined in with these people. He or she would have found a job and earned a living instead of stealing and eventually killing.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-77848661401616600052019-08-02T10:32:23.161-04:002019-08-02T10:32:23.161-04:00Yes Beauders I do watch The Bold & the Beautif...Yes Beauders I do watch The Bold & the Beautiful. I'm glad that "baby Beth" story is finally coming to a head. I'm sick of watching Flo threaten to "tell the truth" over and over again and get bullied into keeping her mouth shut. The only one on that show with any brains is little Douglas.<br /><br />And I can't stand that guy who plays Thomas. He's constantly taking his shirt off to show off his muscles. Like we can't get thru the day without ogling his body. <br /><br />BTW the girl that plays Steffy just had a baby in real life, and now she's wearing outfits that show off her flat stomach and big boobs. LOL.<br /><br />I know today is Friday and it will be a "cliff hanger" but I think Liam is finally going to get to the bottom of all this and try to "save" Hope.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-59791394326216054192019-08-02T01:07:13.506-04:002019-08-02T01:07:13.506-04:00P.S. Katie do you still watch The Bold & The B...P.S. Katie do you still watch The Bold & The Beautiful? If not a huge story line is coming to an end and another is about to begin. Yes I know it's odd that an intellectual lesbian loves soap opera's, I even watch three foreign ones, two English and one Australian. Maybe it gets all the death imagery out of my head from my various interests.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-88629238118773610252019-08-02T00:56:54.646-04:002019-08-02T00:56:54.646-04:00I believe the compliments hooked her and she fell ...I believe the compliments hooked her and she fell in love with Manson and believed every word he said, a true believer. Of all the women I think she fell for the Helter Skelter philosophy the most, she was the most vulnerable. Most of the women I believe, believed at least somewhat in the philosophy of Helter Skelter, the guys were different they all had their own reasons to kill the victims. Like I've said before I believe Watson's life was saved because of the murders. He would have been killed due a dodgy drug deal. Krenwinkel, wanted to be a nun and help people that's what gets me. That's why I think she was 'healing' people with the murders. Of all of them she gets it, she knows she's scum, and in someways because she gets it I would be ok with her being paroled.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-81341165945035517902019-08-01T23:13:19.195-04:002019-08-01T23:13:19.195-04:00Katie, you hit on a key point, self-esteem. I hav...Katie, you hit on a key point, self-esteem. I have seen many people, rich or poor, pretty or unattractive, male or female, make stupid decisions that impacted the rest of their lives because low self-esteem increased their vulnerability. Gangs have thrived on that for decades...Dilligafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07052411066646010067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-48165708495602654882019-08-01T22:46:57.244-04:002019-08-01T22:46:57.244-04:00Thanks Beauders. I agree! How easy for Manson to...Thanks Beauders. I agree! How easy for Manson to captivate a seemingly ugly girl by calling her "pretty". That sounds like something out of high school. It's surprising that a girl who had graduated high school would fall for that kind of rhetoric.<br /><br />You would think that her parents would get her some kind of "hair treatments" to resolve her horrific appearance. Maybe they were too involved in their crumbling marriage.<br /><br />To think that Manson's deceptive flattery of her would escalate to her committing murder is kind of a reach, but I guess it depends on her willingness to accept his crazy ideas, her need for his attention, and her need to put his crazy ideas into action. I think she she obviously at his "beck and call" and when he called, she answered.<br /><br />It's a shame that happened. And I guess it could have happened to any ugly girl back then who had no self esteem.<br /><br />Which makes me wonder if ANY of those people had any self esteem. I can't imagine any girl or boy with self esteem joining into this kind of stuff.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-22097707788115905502019-08-01T22:11:43.711-04:002019-08-01T22:11:43.711-04:00katie, I believe that Krenwinkel's body hair g...katie, I believe that Krenwinkel's body hair got her teased and truly Manson was the first person to say and mean it, that she was beautiful, that goes a long way with an unhappy self conscience girl. I believe her crimes were committed out of love for Manson. I also believe she believed in Helter Skelter. Her misspelling Helter as Healter is more revealing that anyone is seeing, she really thought she was "healing" mankind through committing Helter Skelter. Before Manson she wanted to be a nun, and through Helter Skelter she was helping people. Once she saw Manson for what he was, she realized what she had really done. She deep down hates herself. I think she realizes that she is never going to get out of prison and she accepts that. All of them have to know if Van Houten can't be released then none of them are.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-75070844785436491222019-08-01T21:55:45.825-04:002019-08-01T21:55:45.825-04:00Speaking of Krenny, I wonder what's really goi...Speaking of Krenny, I wonder what's really going on with her. I've watched her parole hearings. She has tried dis-association, crying and screaming. Nothing has worked for her so far.<br /><br />She had an interview with Diane Sawyer in the 90's and appeared to be sorry and that didn't work.<br /><br />She was the number 2 killer aside from Tex. How does she really feel about these murders? Was she really that into it? Is she really that nuts? And if she is, what made her nuts? Her parents' divorce? Her sisters' death?<br /><br />What's going on with Krenny?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-30148899153632566062019-08-01T21:48:06.374-04:002019-08-01T21:48:06.374-04:00I saw a Life Magazine book at the checkout counter...I saw a Life Magazine book at the checkout counter today. It costs $16. I didn't buy it. I looked through it, but didn't see anything interesting enough to be new.<br /><br />I think a lot of people are trying to make money off the anniversary of these horrible murders.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-22614007282639541832019-07-31T21:10:57.818-04:002019-07-31T21:10:57.818-04:00Yeah, the creepy crawl stuff was the only interest...Yeah, the creepy crawl stuff was the only interesting part of the Manson Family. And it was a very small part of the family.<br /><br />This Melnick guy started his book off with a political agenda. In my opinion. And the Manson Family murders don't have anything to do with today's politics.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-76723037079647003312019-07-30T22:17:01.434-04:002019-07-30T22:17:01.434-04:00I've always thought the whole creepy crawl stu...I've always thought the whole creepy crawl stuff was way overblown. Krenny's single act of creepy crawling was breaking into a parked car, for example.starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-52020583017010347402019-07-30T21:42:21.632-04:002019-07-30T21:42:21.632-04:00I'm guessing nobody cares about that book. I ...I'm guessing nobody cares about that book. I read part of it. <br /><br />It SUCKS! Another thumbs down!<br /><br />Any thoughts?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-4986104856128454502019-07-28T23:07:46.655-04:002019-07-28T23:07:46.655-04:00BTW Manson made in into the National Enquirer this...BTW Manson made in into the National Enquirer this week. Jeffrey Melnick wrote a book on Creepy Crawls. <br /><br />Yeah!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-60277258316224775792019-07-28T21:32:11.690-04:002019-07-28T21:32:11.690-04:00GreenWhite, I know I've already said this, but...GreenWhite, I know I've already said this, but I'll say it again.<br /><br />I don't think Gary sold drugs to Bobby. So there was no money when Bobby went there.<br /><br />If Gary had any money, I'm sure he would have given it to them. But he didn't have any money. He had nothing to give. So they took his life, his cars and his bagpipes.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-5831240490763581912019-07-23T16:12:32.799-04:002019-07-23T16:12:32.799-04:00I just bought the Davis book on Kindle. Thanks for...I just bought the Davis book on Kindle. Thanks for the heads up. <br /><br />I don't know what to think about Hinman. None of us really know what his story was obviously but I tend to believe either the mescaline was bad or the SS's decided to punk Bobby and get their money back. However, two things that bring me back to questioning that theory is why didn't the SS's return some of the drugs (if they were actually bunk) with their refund demands, that's par for the course in those types of situations, and why didn't Gary still have the money when Bobby went there? We're talking a day anyway and it's not like people dump their drug money into their checking account at any time. Being tortured, I'd think that at some point he'd have given it up. Especially once Charlie cut him and Bruce Davis was or wasn't holding the gun on him. That had to potentially seem like the end of his life to him. <br /><br />As for Gary's finances, I don't think it's all that odd for a grad student to be supported by his or her parents while finishing a phd. I've seen parents buy a car and a house for the student to live in until they're done and support them in all the other ways at the same time. 34 is kinda pushing the age scale though. G. Greene-Whytehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16687404262559321867noreply@blogger.com