tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post1895193906036095334..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-75945188252583095112012-04-22T23:27:28.710-04:002012-04-22T23:27:28.710-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-45504569220493920242012-04-22T18:18:16.683-04:002012-04-22T18:18:16.683-04:00Hi rfoster.
In my opinion, if Manson had played h...Hi rfoster.<br /><br />In my opinion, if Manson had played his cards correctly in the original trial... he may have stood a pretty good chance of skating to begin with.<br /><br />He certainly would have stood a "better" chance anyway...<br /><br />Manson's behavior... and the behavior of "the family" collectively... basically cemented Bugliosi's case against him.<br /><br />Manson should have done everything in his power to convince the jury, that he was NOT in-charge of these people.<br />As we know... they demonstrated the opposite for the jury.<br /><br />Today...<br /><br />Hmm...<br /><br />Well for starters...<br />Without "the family" present... Bugliosi would have a more difficult time... no doubt.<br />There would be no kids on the corner, carved "X"'s, shaved heads... folks crawling, and the like... which of course would help any defendant.<br />That's about as far as I'd be willing to speculate.<br /><br />One has to wonder what Leslie, Tex and Pat would testify to (if anything) at this point... and of course what Kasabian (the "star witness") would have to say now... again... if anything...<br /><br />It would probably be harder to convict Manson "now", as opposed to "then".<br />All things being equal (which they wouldn't be of course)... I'd say that's a safe assumption.<br /><br />Manson would probably stand a much better chance of being found outright insane at this point... to be quite frank with you.<br /><br />Although (unbelievably) THAT'S not even a "given".<br />It seems the prison psychiatrists find him competent for the most part.<br /><br />Hard to say Brother...<br /><br />Dilligaf?LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-81506642918055364492012-04-22T17:09:04.190-04:002012-04-22T17:09:04.190-04:00Based on the evidence, if Charlie were tried today...Based on the evidence, if Charlie were tried today on the same charges, do you think he would be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt?rfoster1https://www.blogger.com/profile/03498047285030700138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-73722272294692660082012-04-22T12:07:00.429-04:002012-04-22T12:07:00.429-04:00>>>Mr. P said: Anyone in a cult suffers ...>>>Mr. P said: Anyone in a cult suffers a lack of identity. the cult leader gives them an identity. The cult leader gives them meaning in their life. Remember how Squeaky and Patricia described the transformation when they met Manson.>>><br /><br />Agreed. I can understand fully why Sadie, Patricia, Squeaky, Gypsy & Sandy joined up with Charlie. They needed attention.<br /><br />But I can't understand why any of the rest would. Mary had a degree and was working at a library. I would think she would be more cerebral than to join up with this kinda of crap. But maybe she was just lonely too.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-44455206359666047182012-04-22T00:26:38.274-04:002012-04-22T00:26:38.274-04:00beauders said:
as much as we all hate watson he w...beauders said:<br /> as much as we all hate watson he would have just been a drug dealing conman without manson.<br /><br />Poirot replies:<br /><br />Manson puts blamed on Watson for the disaster that the Family became. Manson said Tex started all the trouble by burning everyone in his drug deals. At the time of the TLB murders Manson believed he had killed Lotsapoppa to get Tex out of a jam in that drug burn.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-83017790287494905882012-04-21T23:56:05.863-04:002012-04-21T23:56:05.863-04:00Anyone in a cult suffers a lack of identity. the c...Anyone in a cult suffers a lack of identity. the cult leader gives them an identity. The cult leader gives them meaning in their life. Remember how Squeaky and Patricia described the transformation when they met Manson.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-78946974080323026872012-04-21T12:08:11.177-04:002012-04-21T12:08:11.177-04:00Beauders you're right. Charlie is more of a S...Beauders you're right. Charlie is more of a Svengali hippy cult leader than a mass murderer. Talking someone into killing is more chilling than actually killing....in my opinion.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-46851800240967590152012-04-21T01:55:45.598-04:002012-04-21T01:55:45.598-04:00i think we need to view manson as a cult leader, n...i think we need to view manson as a cult leader, not just a mass murderer. these people are more interesting than serial killers because they can get people to do things they would never do in a regular situation. jim jones had over 160 children in jonestown, most with parents. none of these children survived, their parents either watched them die or actually gave them the cyanide. same with koresh. his followers allowed their children to die with them. it is unfathomable to me that certain types of people can actually get rational people to do these things. as much as we all hate watson he would have just been a drug dealing conman without manson.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-54678950624508241622012-04-20T23:57:57.592-04:002012-04-20T23:57:57.592-04:00Allright, I'm watching boxing on Showtime. Ho...Allright, I'm watching boxing on Showtime. Hoo hoo!<br /><br />The boxing shorts those guys wear look WAY too big for them.<br /><br />What's up with that??? HA HA.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-39086452536967879362012-04-20T22:36:08.667-04:002012-04-20T22:36:08.667-04:00And after Charlie ordered his minions to kill for ...And after Charlie ordered his minions to kill for him, when they were all caught, Charlie ordered them to take the blame and let him off the hook.<br /><br />And they were more than willing to do that. Except it didn't work. The jury didn't buy it.<br /><br />I think that's VERY evil to order young people to kill for no reason at all, and then when it comes down to brass tacks, having them take the blame.<br /><br />That's just lilly-livered yellow-bellied sad sack.....<br /><br />No two ways about that.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-16313201019903432802012-04-20T22:00:32.066-04:002012-04-20T22:00:32.066-04:00Having said that, Ted Bundy was just a nutjob that...Having said that, Ted Bundy was just a nutjob that killed women. He didn't control others to kill for him. Which to me is even creepier.<br /><br />So in light of that, who is really "more evil"?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-81855497193113889462012-04-20T21:35:42.505-04:002012-04-20T21:35:42.505-04:00I'm not defending Ted Bundy by any means.
He ...I'm not defending Ted Bundy by any means.<br /><br />He definitely had mental problems. He was extremely intelligent and one minute could be quite charming, and the next he was a murderous animal.<br /><br />He DID get the death penalty and was finally put to death, and he deserved it.<br /><br />Whew!!!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-25511521314651207392012-04-20T21:24:42.039-04:002012-04-20T21:24:42.039-04:00Bobby!! You're exactly right. I forgot about...Bobby!! You're exactly right. I forgot about that.<br /><br />Ted WAS his own lawyer, and look what happened. He got death. <br /><br />And Ted was a law student.<br /><br />>>>The point is they both had the same need to be the center of attention and that they felt they were smarter than everyon else.>>><br /><br />Yes they both needed to be the center of attention, that's for sure. <br /><br />As far as being smarter than everyone else, I think Ted Bundy thought he was, but I think that Charlie thought he could just talk anybody into anything. I think that's why he got so mad at the trials because people weren't caving into his thought patterns at the trial.<br /><br />I think by that time, Charlie thought he could just do his mumbo jumbo on anyone and turn everything his way, since that was the way it had gone since 1967. <br /><br />But what he didn't realize was that the jurors, lawyers and judge weren't little girls looking for a "Daddy".katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-10036348551092207132012-04-20T20:20:53.355-04:002012-04-20T20:20:53.355-04:00I don't know if Charlie was trying to get caug...I don't know if Charlie was trying to get caught, but he sure seems more at home in a jail cell. <br /><br />I don't know where he'd even go if he got out. More "women friends" to pay his way?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-37375972061213049062012-04-20T20:16:40.917-04:002012-04-20T20:16:40.917-04:00Matt, that's right. Ted Bundy was an intellig...Matt, that's right. Ted Bundy was an intelligent, well spoken, good looking guy with boyish charm. He was able to lure women into his car with any story about needing help because of a broken bone with more ease than an old man settling back into a hot bath.<br /><br />Charlie, on the other hand, was a short, wild eyed, nonsense-speaking hippy cult leader. He was just looking for young girls that couldn't get dates. LOL.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-64683161776907498042012-04-20T18:19:42.257-04:002012-04-20T18:19:42.257-04:00part of the evilness(is that a word?)of a ted bund...part of the evilness(is that a word?)of a ted bundy was that he fit into society so well that he was able to do what he did for years without anyone suspecting him.<br /> he hid so well behind what they call 'a mask of sanity'that he seemed to be an all american normal guy that women trusted and did'nt realize what he truly was until it was too late.<br /> think about it this way- you're at a bar and two guys offer you a ride home,one is charles manson and one is ted bundy.just based on outward appearences who are you getting in the car with?<br /> my point is that manson did'nt have the brains to pull off what bundy did.<br /> some might even say he was trying to get caught by being stupid and/or crazy.<br /> i don't think he was capable of being anything other than a 'spree killer' which i don't really buy into but its the only term in the article that comes close to describing himAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13702047000467740558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-69253370779815950292012-04-20T16:04:10.618-04:002012-04-20T16:04:10.618-04:00But I have to agree that the bizarre nature of thi...But I have to agree that the bizarre nature of this case and and the publicity it got has contributed to making the name Charles Manson evil.<br /><br />And you're right Matt, if it wasn't for all the publicity Manson has gotten all these years, he'd just be another number sitting around in prison for life.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-29750768023923019922012-04-20T15:36:17.473-04:002012-04-20T15:36:17.473-04:00Well, Bundy had a lot more time to kill. I don...Well, Bundy had a lot more time to kill. I don't see any reason to believe that the death-toll of Manson's evil would have stopped after August of 1969 had he not been caught.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-5419248202064087652012-04-20T13:56:52.398-04:002012-04-20T13:56:52.398-04:00the only reason manson is considered on a level wi...the only reason manson is considered on a level with bundy,gacy and the others is because he became a symbol of the sixties and the death of the hippie which will be a footnote in the history of our culture for many years to come.<br /> when you read up on the actual crimes that bundy, gacy and the other mass killers of our time committed charles mansons crimes pale in comparison and i'm not trying to devalue anyones life or their families suffering i'm just saying that its our culture(you and i play into it on some level as well) that puts mansons name on a par with the others.<br /> and mansons ego (unlike most other notorious killers) plays into that because without that recognition as a famous scary criminal...mass murderer or whatever label you want to put on him... hes nothing.<br /> just another nameless scumbag floating through the systemAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13702047000467740558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-43191345977453308982012-04-20T13:37:02.425-04:002012-04-20T13:37:02.425-04:00ted bundy killed dozens of women over a long perio...ted bundy killed dozens of women over a long period of time in many different states.<br />bundys a thousand times more evil than charles manson in my opinion.<br /> so is gacy,the night stalker,the green river killer and tex watson while we're at itAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13702047000467740558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-60475497540707075112012-04-20T00:25:05.803-04:002012-04-20T00:25:05.803-04:00Shorty Shea was killed a couple of weeks after Lab...Shorty Shea was killed a couple of weeks after Labianca. Is that not a cooling off period?MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-77216775927236467082012-04-19T22:22:58.837-04:002012-04-19T22:22:58.837-04:00I think this guy is right. They weren't seria...I think this guy is right. They weren't serial killings, they were "spree killings".<br /><br />But if we differentiate between Charlie & Ted Bundy....what difference is there? <br /><br />Except of course that Ted actually killed folks...but Charlie just ordered most of it.<br /><br />BTW...I've said it many times...Charlie DID participate in the killing of Shorty Shea. Bruce and Clem both testified to that. <br /><br />So please don't say that Charlie didn't actually kill someone. He did.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-17074781269155862402012-04-19T21:54:21.107-04:002012-04-19T21:54:21.107-04:00And of course most serial killers are driven by se...And of course most serial killers are driven by sex..disillusionedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17082712490999350144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-86853766079768558312012-04-19T14:57:06.972-04:002012-04-19T14:57:06.972-04:00One of the better articles written on this subject...One of the better articles written on this subject by the mass media.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.com