tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post8824559562000030838..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger191125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-75395959572114691452012-01-13T12:49:09.556-05:002012-01-13T12:49:09.556-05:00From all the pictures I have looked at I do not se...From all the pictures I have looked at I do not see ANY drag marks or any evidence that any bodies were moved after death. The explanation for the non VF bloodspots are easy to me. Tex with his bloodthirsty rampage would have been covered in blood and could have easily been the vehicle for transferring the blood stains.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-44326336931087114192011-07-29T15:51:15.285-04:002011-07-29T15:51:15.285-04:00And I too have always given Starfish, in his previ...And I too have always given Starfish, in his previous arrangement, a lot of respect, not least because of his measured and civil tone.<br /><br />I too should like to like M Poirot, but he does need to work on his image. However, at the end of the day, as Starship says, it doesn't really matter - we're all just ones and zeros in cyberspace.<br /><br />FrankMFrankMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-50989329185028444162011-07-29T14:14:05.557-04:002011-07-29T14:14:05.557-04:00I do not feel attacked by my cerebral friend, Fran...I do not feel attacked by my cerebral friend, Frank at all. In fact I long ago got over taking too seriously anything that is said about me or what I post about a 40 plus year old murder case by people who share my same strange obsession and who, largely, like myself, choose to remain anonymous. <br /><br />I enjoy discussing this case with others who are knowledgable about it. I like to do so in a respectful manner and really wish references to race, religion and politics were only made when relevant, most likely when quoting.<br /><br />I want to like you, Mr. Poirot. Well, like you as much as I can anyone whom I've never actually met in real life and only know as an anonymous blog poster.starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-34924269066261916192011-07-29T04:32:18.451-04:002011-07-29T04:32:18.451-04:00FrankM said:
{quote]Starship:
It's a bit har...FrankM said:<br /><br />{quote]Starship:<br /><br />It's a bit hard for new arrivals to a blog not to be johnny come latelys - we all have to join to be here, and the cost of that is short-term newbie status. Come to think of it, I don't recall seeing your name around here for that long either.<br /><br />And to say that "all that stuff you posted is, in a word, BULLSHIT" is a value judgment, which says as much about you as it does about the content posted.<br /><br />By all means query the validity or usefulness of what is posted, but discussion of the argument - with a balanced and reasoned explanation of why you disagree - is surely better than aggression and dismissive put downs?<br /><br />FrankM<br /><br />July 26, 2011 9:47 AM{END QUOTE}<br /><br /><br />MR POIROT REPLIES:he<br /><br />Frank has attacked several people. he apparently has carte blanche to say whatever he wants.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-8705112780305667762011-07-28T12:30:18.089-04:002011-07-28T12:30:18.089-04:00Apologies for repeating someone else's bad lan...Apologies for repeating someone else's bad language here (see my post above), but I was responding to the delusional statement made by M. Poirot that <i>Lynyrd I have never said the word jew in your blog or any blog.</i>. <br /><br />I had meant to include this in my previous post but in a senior moment I forgot. <br /><br />FrankMFrankMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-179392951426546702011-07-28T12:19:51.591-04:002011-07-28T12:19:51.591-04:00But I never said those thoughts were my own- or tr...But I never said those thoughts were my own- or true...<br /><br />But It is a very interesting read for those who like Music, L.A., and conspiracies...<br /><br />Inside the LC ... <br /><br />and it does have a whole bunch of stories about and references to...<br /><br />Charlie and Co..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-28519929943378695402011-07-28T12:18:05.497-04:002011-07-28T12:18:05.497-04:00Starship- I am the dude that posted the stuff abou...Starship- I am the dude that posted the stuff about Laurel Canyon and MK ultra-<br /><br />I never said it was true- just pasting some stuff which was relevant to the area we were discussing at the time....<br /><br />I like to mix I up once in awhile<br /><br />:)<br /><br />But no doubt alot of the stuff I post is bullshit- so you do have a good point there...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-43730708907379853282011-07-28T12:10:17.825-04:002011-07-28T12:10:17.825-04:00It's not so much a question of whether Mr P th...It's not so much a question of whether Mr P thinks his remarks are offensive as whether others are offended by them. Personally I find comments like (the repeated) "go suck the jew col's dick" offensive, but it could just be me.<br /><br />FrankMFrankMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-84197619321681298322011-07-28T11:51:10.414-04:002011-07-28T11:51:10.414-04:00Ah, yes - anagrams. I was slow off the mark ...
...Ah, yes - anagrams. I was slow off the mark ... <br /><br />But I guess a rose by any name ...<br /><br />FrankMFrankMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-64407132198747024952011-07-28T09:17:48.598-04:002011-07-28T09:17:48.598-04:00Mr. Poirot,
Yes, exactly...how did Jay and Sharon...Mr. Poirot,<br /><br />Yes, exactly...how did Jay and Sharon's blood get to the front porch? I commented earlier to 8/9 baby that one of the first working theories of the LAPD was that the front porch was where both Jay and Sharon were fisrt attacked...because of the very large pool of Jay's blood type especially that was found at the front porch.<br /><br />Do you think Susan Atkins carried enough quantity of Jay's blood from the living room out to the front porch to make the police think that?starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-40345894090359391362011-07-28T00:41:55.562-04:002011-07-28T00:41:55.562-04:00Poirot...
I really don't want to repeat or di...Poirot...<br /><br />I really don't want to repeat or discuss, the offensive comments you made (in the past)... which I'm referring to.<br />Enduring them once, was more than enough.<br /><br />Go back to the thread with the two pennies on it... "My two cents".<br /><br />Read ALL your remarks to Hippie Scholar on July 15th.<br /><br />If you find none of your comments offensive... we obviously just have a different standard, for what's appropriate.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-92017658659172511072011-07-28T00:25:25.984-04:002011-07-28T00:25:25.984-04:00Lynyrd I have never saidthe word jew in your blog ...Lynyrd I have never saidthe word jew in your blog or any blog.<br /><br />We've got some very good researchers in this blog. Instead of attacking my plane Jane statement that Tate nor Sebring were never at the front porch why not leave it open and ask the other members?<br /><br />I'm not the enemy.<br /><br />I want to know myself: was Sadie the one who brought two victim's blood to the front porch?<br /><br />Some of these things take months to decode. Don't be hasty.<br /><br />I don't think Tate nor Sebring were EVER at the front porch yet their blood was.<br /><br />To me this is just good debate.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-79242732401637194542011-07-27T15:10:07.398-04:002011-07-27T15:10:07.398-04:00That's cool, Starship. No offence intended.
F...That's cool, Starship. No offence intended.<br /><br />FrankMFrankMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-55949148662901610092011-07-27T09:41:51.727-04:002011-07-27T09:41:51.727-04:00Hi, Frank,
I do not mean to be aggressive or dism...Hi, Frank,<br /><br />I do not mean to be aggressive or dismissive at all. And there is nothing wrong with being a newbie, however some of the younger people here especially may not be aware of the utter bogusness of people like Krassner, Brussels, and the dude who wrote the long essay on Laurel Canyon and how all the musicians there were part of MK-ULTRA or some such thing which is just not true. Perhaps they need to learn it all for themsleves...I'm just hoping to save a few years of their lives...<br /><br />Peace!<br /><br />Oh, and I am not new, I just have a new anagram for my old name which I got called out on on the Thelma and Louise blog, so I just thought, the jig is up...starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-1402365379964105482011-07-27T03:49:13.519-04:002011-07-27T03:49:13.519-04:00LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...
Mr. Poirot:
If I could ...LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...<br />Mr. Poirot:<br /><br />If I could give you some friendly advice....<br /><br />Everyone (including you) has a right to their opinion... and opinions are welcome.<br /><br />But, here's the catch...<br /><br />You often state your opinion, as though it is fact.<br /><br />Sometimes a simple prefice of "I think"... or "in my opinion"... or... a follow-up, such as, "that's my take"... can make a world of difference... to other readers... and save you much grief.<br /><br />State your opinions as opinions... and facts as fact... and you'll have less headaches.<br /><br />As for Frank... I've known him for years.<br />Frank is most welcome here, and he's not one to harrass others.<br />He's not a troublemaker... not by a long shot.<br /><br />Poirot...<br />I'm giving you fair warning.<br />If you get into the "Jew" or "Colonel" stuff again... you're off the membership.<br />Fair warning between friends.<br />I honestly don't want to remove you... don't make that happen.<br /><br />Peace... Lynyrd<br /><br />July 24, 2011 4:37 PM<br /><br />Mr Poirot replies;<br /><br />I've made just a few points in my posts in this thread. <br /><br />Frank came after me. I didn't go after Frank.<br /><br />Ive read some very long posts in here that say nothing.<br /><br />I'm trying to keep to the trial testimony and actual facts. I try to make one point only in each post.<br /><br />Mostly what I read in this thread is opinion: such as Frank's opinion of me and my comments. I've spent a lot of time trying to see if Sebring or Tate were ever at the front porch.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-40774625475165684862011-07-26T22:35:32.875-04:002011-07-26T22:35:32.875-04:00Speaking of the 60's- wanted to share. Am hop...Speaking of the 60's- wanted to share. Am hoping to head to West LA to see it in August: <br /><br />http://www.magictripmovie.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-61836959074512426832011-07-26T21:02:39.551-04:002011-07-26T21:02:39.551-04:00Hi Bobby!!! Good to see you!
>>>Bobby s...Hi Bobby!!! Good to see you!<br /><br />>>>Bobby said: And we said, I want to be like those people, they are cool.>>><br /><br />AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH.<br /><br />Bobby, run as fast as you can!! And don't look back!!!<br /><br />HA HA HA!!!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-38012694130046202892011-07-26T19:12:48.422-04:002011-07-26T19:12:48.422-04:00Hi Matt. Thanks for the video on hippies.
I thin...Hi Matt. Thanks for the video on hippies.<br /><br />I think we saw that in health class when I was a sophomore in high school.<br /><br />"Okay class....don't turn into these people".<br /><br />HA HA HA.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-38230891638383094012011-07-26T17:53:21.067-04:002011-07-26T17:53:21.067-04:00i would think that guy mike would be smart enough ...i would think that guy mike would be smart enough not to post ANYTHING by rh by now.<br /> all he has to do is get another email account,username and sign up again and hes good to go.i'm on my 3rd account and let me tell you the way they do things at yt makes NO sense at all sometimes,i'm surprised he lasted as long as he did.<br /><br /> hopefully he saved all his flash videos in a folder so he doesnt have to convert them all over again(good tip for anyone who wants to post to yt anyvideoconverter is a good free program that will convert your vids to flash format saves a ton of time uploading)<br /> while we're on the subject of yt and the haight check out this vid i posted called the hippie temptation a cbs news doc about the haight in 67 you can see the scene that the manson family was born out of.its in four parts part one:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho-tPtTwJK8<br /><br /> heres one i sent l/s awhile ago should raise a smile for a few of you here.<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeZPvCK_YVoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-49714665875565239752011-07-26T13:47:49.321-04:002011-07-26T13:47:49.321-04:00Starship:
It's a bit hard for new arrivals to...Starship:<br /><br />It's a bit hard for new arrivals to a blog not to be johnny come latelys - we all have to join to be here, and the cost of that is short-term newbie status. Come to think of it, I don't recall seeing your name around here for that long either.<br /><br />And to say that "all that stuff you posted is, in a word, BULLSHIT" is a value judgment, which says as much about you as it does about the content posted.<br /><br />By all means query the validity or usefulness of what is posted, but discussion of the argument - with a balanced and reasoned explanation of why you disagree - is surely better than aggression and dismissive put downs?<br /><br />FrankMFrankMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929422641281493764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-83273332279450919182011-07-26T09:30:27.412-04:002011-07-26T09:30:27.412-04:00v717:
I mean no disrespect, but you seem to be a ...v717:<br /><br />I mean no disrespect, but you seem to be a johnny come lately. I don't blame you for finding it all very fascinating, however, all that stuff you posted is, in a word, BULLSHIT.<br /><br />And has already been discredited years ago and by better people than those of us on these blogs.starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-87506836031143104952011-07-26T04:35:57.447-04:002011-07-26T04:35:57.447-04:00i was a candymaker for 23 years and just seeing th...i was a candymaker for 23 years and just seeing those jelly belly's is making me have a smell memory. i made salt water taffy but we used the same flavoring and color schemes. <br />on the greene book does anyone out there speak german? someone needs to translate this book even if it is rough.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-91744770017298728842011-07-26T00:01:01.987-04:002011-07-26T00:01:01.987-04:00She then asks: Couldn't Charles Manson have ma...She then asks: Couldn't Charles Manson have made the<br />same declaration? Greene hastens to add that the<br />difference is, that the men of the "New Republic'' kill<br />for clear ideas and goals, while people like Manson follow<br />seemingly arbitrary impulses. The real issue is the<br />motivation of the scientists who were experimenting on<br />people like Manson. <br /> Greene elaborates in some depth on the intertwining<br />histories of the following ideas: malthusianism; eugenics;<br />"sexual freedom''; drugs that are "consciousness<br />expanding''; and Satanism. In the process, she makes two<br />very interesting observations: First, the Freudians and<br />the Frankfurt School promised that by stripping away<br />bourgeois morality and unleashing the sexual revolution,<br />they could dramatically reduce tendencies toward<br />criminality and xenophobic prejudice; what they have<br />delivered is quite the opposite. Second, the dissemination<br />of satanic ideologies and satanically influenced manners of<br />thinking is more dangerous than the organized, cultish<br />form, a warning which one hopes will be heeded by some<br />fundamentalist groups that develop a voyeuristic<br />fascination with satanic ritual acts, and fail to act<br />against the pervasive influence of satanic concepts in the<br />culture around them. <br /> The author includes an extensive survey<br />of what is known about the CIA drug research and<br />dissemination projects, "Artichoke,'' "Bluebird,'' and<br />the more famous "MK-Ultra.'' She quotes former CIA<br />director Richard Helms, saying in response to a question<br />about what he thinks of LSD, "Dynamite.'' She quotes<br />Harvard researcher and later darling of the hippie<br />movement, Timothy Leary, giving full credit for all his<br />accomplishments to the CIA. As an indication of just how<br />fully witting Leary was and is, the following may be<br />recounted: In the early 1980s, this reviewer was<br />approached by Dr. Leary, who<br />said in all seriousness: "Do you have a copy of {Dope,<br />Inc.}? I loaned my copy to a British oligarch who was<br />staying at my house, and he never returned it.''v717https://www.blogger.com/profile/16151778818005966430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-89971888563114777972011-07-26T00:00:15.108-04:002011-07-26T00:00:15.108-04:00- Manson's anti-Christian roots -
As p...- Manson's anti-Christian roots -<br /> As part of her search for Manson's "roots,'' Greene<br />traces the genesis of science fiction, examining in<br />particular the cases of Aldous Huxley and H.G. Wells.<br />Huxley, in addition to being a renowned enthusiast for<br />"mind-expanding'' drugs, was a confirmed malthusian and<br />an anti-Christian in the tradition of Friedrich Nietzsche.<br />He wrote to Harvard's Dr. Timothy Leary that for the kind<br />of "evolution'' that they were both trying to promote,<br />the Bible was the only resistance. Huxley also had an<br />interest in "killer rats.'' In a work entitled "Do What<br />You Will,'' Huxley refers approvingly to a theory of his<br />friend, the psychologist Dr. William Sheldon: <br /> "There exists, as Sheldon makes clear, a certain<br />percentage of people--he calls them somatotonics--who are<br />constitutionally aggressive, who love risk and adventure<br />for their own sake; who lust for power and dominance; who<br />are psychologically callous and have no squeamishness<br />about killing, who are insensitive to pain and tirelessly<br />energetic. How can these people be prevented from wrecking<br />the world: Christianity tried to keep them down by means<br />of a `cerebrotonic' system of ethical restraints. But<br />there has been a revolt against cerebrotonic religion and<br />ethics during the last 25 years and the somatotonics are<br />in the saddle, not only physically but intellectually and<br />philosophically.'' <br /> Greene quotes H.G. Wells in a similar vein: <br /> "The men of the New Republic will not be squeamish<br />either in facing or inflicting death.... They will have<br />ideals that will make killing worthwhile.... They will<br />hold that a certain portion of the population exists only<br />on sufferance out of pity and patience, and on the<br />understanding, that they do not propagate; and I do not<br />foresee any reason to suppose that they will hesitate to<br />kill when that sufferance is abused.''v717https://www.blogger.com/profile/16151778818005966430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-75526671827284511372011-07-25T23:58:51.381-04:002011-07-25T23:58:51.381-04:00- Rats and `behavioral sinks' -
Anothe...- Rats and `behavioral sinks' -<br /> Another study group member, Dr. William Turner,<br />described studies done by American psychologist John<br />Calhoun, in which Norway rats, under conditions of<br />overcrowding, formed what were termed "behavioral<br />sinks.'' Here a pattern of extreme behavior changes<br />emerged, such as cannibalism and rape, reminiscent of<br />human psychopathology. This behavior emerged among 5% of<br />the rat population. He indicated that similar effects<br />might be expected of humans under crowded urban<br />conditions. <br /> Strikingly similar views were held by Dr. David E.<br />Smith, and his colleague Roger Smith (no relation), both<br />of whom were associated with the famous Haight-Ashbury<br />Clinic in San Francisco. They shared an interest in the<br />concept of "behavioral sinks''; believed that rats, in<br />response to overcrowding, were naturally inclined to<br />violence, criminality, and mass murder; and believed that<br />the percentage of rats who would engage in such behavior<br />could be increased by the influence of drugs. Dr. David<br />Smith repeated the Calhoun experiments himself, and added<br />a new dimension by injecting the rats with amphetamines.<br />Author Greene presents and defends the thesis that for<br />both Smiths, Haight-Ashbury represented an opportunity to<br />test these theories {on humans}. David Smith referred to<br />Haight-Ashbury as the national center for habitual drug<br />abuse, and the first slum for teen-agers in America. Both<br />Smiths were personally acquainted with Manson, and Roger<br />Smith was {Manson's parole officer} when Manson first came<br />to Haight-Ashbury, direct from prison. <br /> If someone wanted to transform a human subject into a<br />"killer rat,'' Manson was a promising candidate. The<br />product of a broken home, he had spent the better part of<br />his life in prisons. He was a thoroughly alienated<br />individual, but a clever one, with an interest in certain<br />kinds of ideas. In prison he had made himself well<br />acquainted with psychiatry, hypnosis, Scientology, and the<br />occult. He was apparently in pursuit of a system of belief<br />that was compatible with his criminal bent, and was<br />synthesizing a variety of techniques with which to<br />manipulate others. All this came to fruition as he<br />assembled his communal "family.'' Manson was also<br />fascinated by Robert Heinlein's "New Age'' science<br />fiction novel {Stranger in a Strange Land,} and used it as<br />a sort of paradigm for his "family,'' going so far as to<br />name his illegitimate son after the book's protagonist.v717https://www.blogger.com/profile/16151778818005966430noreply@blogger.com