tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post7849454772582782414..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Was Helter Skelter “unreasonable”? Part 2: LSD/PsychedelicsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-10693737331361952312020-12-23T14:14:53.654-05:002020-12-23T14:14:53.654-05:00It is truly a well-researched content and excellen...It is truly a well-researched content and excellent wording. I got so engaged in this material that I couldn’t wait to read. I am impressed with your work and skill. Thanks.<a href="https://psychedelicstimes.com/product/psychedelic-mushrooms-for-sale-usa/" rel="nofollow">Psychedelic Mushrooms For Sale</a>Laura Bushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14063697739786180181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-74575700957836372782020-12-23T14:02:46.276-05:002020-12-23T14:02:46.276-05:00Great job for publishing such a nice article. Your...Great job for publishing such a nice article. Your article isn’t only useful but it is additionally really informative. Thank you because you have been willing to share information with us.<a href="https://psychedelicstimes.com/" rel="nofollow">Psilocybin for sale</a>Laura Bushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14063697739786180181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-22695666712904116812020-07-04T01:39:50.538-04:002020-07-04T01:39:50.538-04:00I agree with a lot of the points you made in this ...I agree with a lot of the points you made in this article. If you are looking for the <a href="https://www.onlinelegalpsychedelics.com/" rel="nofollow"><b>legal psychedelics for sale usa</b></a>, then visit Online Legal Psychedelics. I appreciate the work you have put into this and hope you continue writing on this subject.<br /><br /><br />onlinelegalpsychedelicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02270556313502956135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-36532344714116346802015-12-26T11:09:40.656-05:002015-12-26T11:09:40.656-05:00Even more ironic is that it was because of what he...Even more ironic is that it was because of what he saw under acid's influence that he stopped eating meat.<br />On the other hand, it offers a glimpse into Watson's mind that at that point, he could not distinguish acid fantasy from reality and acid reality became so fused with actual reality that he existed in only one reality. It was powerful enough to stop him eating meat ever since.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-62247980805313971322015-10-23T01:02:09.522-04:002015-10-23T01:02:09.522-04:00Oh the irony Watson is a vegetarian.Oh the irony Watson is a vegetarian.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-89937777314886686872015-10-21T20:29:39.843-04:002015-10-21T20:29:39.843-04:00Hey Grim!
It is very paradoxical as are humans, w...Hey Grim!<br /><br />It is very paradoxical as are humans, which is what makes them so darn fascinating. We humans are controlled, programmed or conditioned on all sorts of levels for all sorts of purposes, from not crossing on a red light to believing there’s only one way to the Divine. All this is related to Learning as well (my hubby was programmed long before he met me to ‘put down the toilet seat’ Yay! lol).<br /><br />Some programming is necessary for safety, simple common sense and consensus for a functioning culture(which is why I would never drive in the UK, I’m so left-handed my head would spin). The problem comes with the intentions behind programming. <br /><br />I believe there was direct programming by Charlie, through group pressure, drugs etc, like in any high school too. Because the human mind is not static thing, it is malleable, changeable, and impressionable, there were varying levels of impact and success on the people that came into Charlie’s world. Some saw him as a con man immediately and some, to this day, see him as a modern messiah. Of all the people in this case, I think Charlie has remained the most consistent in his behavior. He has changed the least in terms of his responses to situations and his environment. He basically started in the joint and ended up in the joint. The others didn’t.<br /><br />While I will say that many of these people were ‘controlled’ by Charlie, I also believe that, in a complicated psychological way, they wanted/needed to be controlled and cared for and some were just plain old sociopaths. I don’t think this was a conscious thought in their minds necessarily, but a reality of their specific situations and their characters, especially at that time. He hit those people at a vulnerable age, when un-cleaving from your family of origin and on your way to ‘adulthood’ and self-sufficiency. Scary times. <br /> As has been discussed ad infinitum, Charlie could spot those and hone in on them. With all that being said, and bringing us up to the present, part of the problem that I have with some of the murderers today is a lack of acknowledging their ‘consent’ to Charlie right from the beginning. It’s not enough for me for them to say “Charlie and the drugs made me do it.”<br /><br />Some have done a better job of owning up to that part. In fact, I just read something new to me that Bruce Davis wrote in 2010, where it appears he attempts to do this (whether he succeeded is a matter of opinion). None of these people were brought to Charlie at gunpoint, at least not that I am aware of. And anyone who participated in any crime, even under threat, consented to these acts, especially so if they stayed after a crime. While I believe they were ‘controlled’ to some degree, personal responsibility does come into play here. <br /><br />A mighty fine paradox indeed!<br />maudes haroldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08310246530830761390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-13838437574528687632015-10-21T10:50:28.522-04:002015-10-21T10:50:28.522-04:00maudes harold said...
"As I was reading Part... maudes harold said...<br /><br />"As I was reading Part 1 I began envisioning the ‘murderer’ of all of these crimes wearing a cape. It looked eerily similar to the cartoon posted on mansonblog a little later. I saw the ‘murderer’ broken down like this:<br /><br /> Head-Manson<br /><br /> Heart-the girls<br /><br /> Hands & Feet-Tex, Bruce and the enforcers (this category can arguably include many)<br /><br /> Cape-the motive"<br /><br /><br />That's pretty deep.<br />Let me ask you, if Tex, Bruce and the enforcers were the hands and feet and Charlie the head, do you think there is <i>anything</i> at all in what Tex and Leslie have alluded to over the years about being controlled ?<br />Personally, I think that "control" is a much misunderstood thing when it comes to people because it can actually be so subtle. We recognize it and can see it when it's upfront and direct, but not when it's a little more obtuse. I think it's possible to be controlled, while still being in command of your faculties and able to make decisions. Aside from the fact that it happens in war, school, political life and in sports, the film & music biz and sometimes in employment.<br />But then, I believe in paradoxes.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-58504569766205393102015-10-19T10:56:36.464-04:002015-10-19T10:56:36.464-04:00Well Josh, I guess it depends on what you're s...Well Josh, I guess it depends on what you're so sure about.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-53611093667022445582015-10-19T10:36:16.350-04:002015-10-19T10:36:16.350-04:00katie8753 said...
"I wonder if Susan has run... katie8753 said...<br /><br />"I wonder if Susan has run into Gary Hinman, the TLB victims, or Doris, Patty & Paul in the afterlife. Boy, that would be AWK-WARD!!"<br /><br /><br />That depends on where they met !grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-21545868658484060412015-10-19T10:12:37.344-04:002015-10-19T10:12:37.344-04:00Pretty sure of things, aren't we Katie.....Pretty sure of things, aren't we Katie.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-69589747319082620362015-10-19T10:11:59.278-04:002015-10-19T10:11:59.278-04:00Thank you for responding Grim!!! Mucho appreciate...Thank you for responding Grim!!! Mucho appreciated good sir. Usually I just get venomously tainted responses from people with Atkins pictures. ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-18987533202248007342015-10-18T20:55:08.724-04:002015-10-18T20:55:08.724-04:00Wow isn't is about time for a fake Charlie dyi...Wow isn't is about time for a fake Charlie dying news article? <br /><br />Can you imagine when Charlie does finally shuffle off this mortal coil and enter Door #3 and face his victims? They'll probably all be standing there with bats. And Charlie will go into his scat routine: <br /><br /><i>"Ba Dop Bopaloop Skiddle Dee Woop Shaz ta Wop to Boodle a Noodle, Fa Doop Diddle a De Ba, Didly Eoo, Ba Doodle a Be Da, Jabba da de da, No Boba da de da, fa Ding fa do ding, Sez da massa"</i>katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-13955788712586127252015-10-18T19:11:12.546-04:002015-10-18T19:11:12.546-04:00I wonder if Susan has run into Gary Hinman, the TL...I wonder if Susan has run into Gary Hinman, the TLB victims, or Doris, Patty & Paul in the afterlife. Boy, that would be AWK-WARD!!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-32180379328501554762015-10-18T16:23:48.843-04:002015-10-18T16:23:48.843-04:00I've dropped acid a few times and psilocybin a...I've dropped acid a few times and psilocybin a couple of times, in terms of psychedelics. I would put various forms of marijuana in there too because I think they can come under the banner of mind altering substances. And ganja {I still refer to marijuana as ganja, my apologies} I've had hundreds of times.<br />You're right, one can only know so much from reading but one shouldn't dismiss the conclusions reached or thoughts put down from what has been read.<br />But I was very deliberate in using <i>other</i> peoples' experiences of acid and other psychedelics in this piece. My own personal journeys weren't actually important here. I'm keenly aware that not everyone reading this would have had acid experience but given that LSD and other psychedelics played such an important part in shaping the Family and in their shared experience, I think it's worth having a look at contemporaries of theirs that also shared the experience. Because certain questions arise when one reads about Charlie and the Family, such as, how unique was their whole thing ? Or is there something within human beings that make that kind of "adventure" not so surprising ?<br />I'm not trying to come across like an expert because I'm nowhere close and neither do I want to be. But there are certain matters that arise with this case that I can't be trite or dismissive about and one of those matters is drug use. You can believe and act on all kinds of things without drugs. With drugs, the process can be just as potent.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-41862249112827674412015-10-18T09:54:19.429-04:002015-10-18T09:54:19.429-04:00How many of you acid experts have actually dropped...How many of you acid experts have actually dropped acid?<br />I just scanned through, but I wonder if grim traveler has traveled that grim road.<br />You can only know so much from reading....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-49948929976871188352015-10-18T01:11:45.470-04:002015-10-18T01:11:45.470-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-59857553057240564762015-10-17T21:52:08.783-04:002015-10-17T21:52:08.783-04:00Mr. P that video was a hoax. I saw that woman bli...Mr. P that video was a hoax. I saw that woman blink when she was supposed to be unconscious.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-284670344923210332015-10-17T11:15:44.919-04:002015-10-17T11:15:44.919-04:00Quite the video Mr. P....first I have seen it.
BT...Quite the video Mr. P....first I have seen it.<br /><br />BTW...those virgins promised to the Jihads are all males.louis365https://www.blogger.com/profile/14404892998314899727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-82939469659056420732015-10-17T09:20:35.942-04:002015-10-17T09:20:35.942-04:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-bIWm08eJc
I pos...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-bIWm08eJc<br /><br />I post this documentary because it discusses insanity incident between twin sisters which is<br />a form of mass insanity whereby multiple people go insane at one time almost as if insanity were caused by airborne germs like the Cold or Flu. One person can lead another person into insanity. Mass insanity is known to be fairly common and cause such bizarre events like crime sprees and even odder events like abandoned sea going vessels. Ships have been found throughout the centuries with all hands missing yet there was no sign of piracy or storm damage. Crew members simply jumped overboard to drown themselves after hysteria or insanity broke out in one individual and spread to others.<br />Spahn Ranch would be a similar environment to a ship as the ranch was isolated and people lived closely together. If Clap can spread through a commune why not insanity?MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-42788788798521306892015-10-16T22:37:26.786-04:002015-10-16T22:37:26.786-04:00And Suzanne wasn't taking LSD that I know of. ...And Suzanne wasn't taking LSD that I know of. She was completely in her right mind.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-49512438050856415432015-10-16T22:25:47.365-04:002015-10-16T22:25:47.365-04:00This stuff about Linda being raped is nonsense. I...This stuff about Linda being raped is nonsense. I don't know who dreamed that up. Tex was incapable of being in charge of changing his own underwear.<br /><br />And the Tex/Suzanne thing? I put that on Suzanne. She didn't try to get anyone else out of prison did she? That's her deal.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-36768580203343632432015-10-16T22:22:57.543-04:002015-10-16T22:22:57.543-04:00Grim said: "LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...One can...<i>Grim said: "LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...One can certainly believe in an alternative motive theory, and still believe Manson is guilty"<br /><br />One can but it doesn't appear that many do.<br /><br />If you take George Stimson's line to it's logical conclusion, Charles Manson had nothing to do with anything regarding TLB. I can understand why so many seem to take that line.</i><br /><br />This is what I'm talking about. If you take away Charlie preaching Helter Skelter, then you end up with people saying that he was completely innocent of any of the murders, which is what I was trying to say.<br /><br />If you take away Manson preaching Helter Skelter, then you take away Manson's control of these people. One does not exist without the other.<br /><br />There are at least 2 factions in this case: those who think Manson was involved in these murders, and those who think he wasn't.<br /><br />Those who think he wasn't will say there was no Helter Skelter, that Bugliosi made it up.<br /><br />Those who think he was do believe he was preaching Helter Skelter, and had complete control of the family.<br /><br />The proof is in the pudding. Manson was in complete control of the family after his arrest. There is NO denying that. If George Stimson wants to deny that, he can watch Sandra Good and all other others on the sidewalk with a shaved head and an "X" carved in her head, threatening people if Charlie was convicted.<br /><br />And BTW, they weren't talking about ATWA back then!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-50379981663913636822015-10-16T19:50:28.257-04:002015-10-16T19:50:28.257-04:00Brain scans of patients on LSD look identical to b...Brain scans of patients on LSD look identical to brain scans of schizophrenic patients.<br /><br />I've always found it interesting how Charlie had seen the bad effects of alcoholism as a child and consequently forbade Family members at Spahns from drinking yet Charlie imbibed in the worse thing he could possibly have found; he imbibed in LSD which reactivated his latent schizophrenia.<br /><br />Charlie sat around all day at Spahn Ranch doing acid and dreaming up bizarre but harmless hallucinations. Finally in early Dec 68 he hears the White Album and begins his seminal philosophic masterpiece he called Helter Skelter. 8 months later Spahn Ranch residents begin murdering indiscriminately en masse. <br />Without LSD there is no Helter Skelter philosophy. Charlie would simply have listened to the White Album and gone on being the same Charlie he always had been.<br /><br />Or<br /><br />Did Charlie simply suffer a severe schizophrenic relapse in Dec 68 brought on by LSD use? Was his Helter Skelter creation just a philosophic manifestation of his insanity which led to a mass insanity at Spahn Ranch? Lemmings to the sea?<br />Were the TLB murders just the result of a mass insanity by Charlie's followers introduced through Helter Skelter?<br />Yes.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-39965171120811635532015-10-16T19:30:05.954-04:002015-10-16T19:30:05.954-04:00Include Steve Jobs on that list too...
http://www...Include Steve Jobs on that list too...<br /><br />http://www.inc.com/will-yakowicz/entrepreneurs-use-lsd-psilocybin-to-boost-creativity.htmlmaudes haroldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08310246530830761390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-45382399686031135842015-10-16T15:57:43.261-04:002015-10-16T15:57:43.261-04:00Great compilation Grim.
As I was reading Part 1 I...Great compilation Grim.<br /><br />As I was reading Part 1 I began envisioning the ‘murderer’ of all of these crimes wearing a cape. It looked eerily similar to the cartoon posted on mansonblog a little later. I saw the ‘murderer’ broken down like this:<br /><br />Head-Manson<br /><br />Heart-the girls<br /><br />Hands & Feet-Tex, Bruce and the enforcers (this category can arguably include many)<br /><br />Cape-the motive<br /><br />I saw the cape as a tapestry of everyone’s picture/reasons/purposes/motives for the crimes. It covered them, but not completely. It can be removed or altered when/if necessary, and it looks a little different to everyone else. I think there were specific motives in all parts; head, heart, hands and feet and it came together to create a monstrosity of events. Helter Skelter was a good overall ‘cape’ for the motives for many, but didn’t cover the entire ‘crime scene’, so to speak, which is a big reason I think Bugliosi went with it. I would have loved to ask him about the other motives he spoke of.<br /><br />I kinda freaked when a day or so later I saw the cartoon on mansonblog that looked just like what I had pictured except w/o the top hat. But the top hat just reminded me of Bummer Bob, so it was perfect.<br /><br />I agree Grim, that we can often discuss drugs w/o really giving them the credit of the depth of influence you refer to. LSD is again currently being discussed as a possible therapeutic treatment in mental health circles…..<br /><br />Great post!maudes haroldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08310246530830761390noreply@blogger.com