tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post4276796801472629661..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-86166999167250793692013-01-02T22:41:01.491-05:002013-01-02T22:41:01.491-05:00The guy in the photo is NOT Bryn. It is Larry Crav...The guy in the photo is NOT Bryn. It is Larry Craven. Compare other photos from the raid and you can tell it's totally him (L.C.)LHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12873305502216160309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-85130769206603568412011-09-23T21:59:04.860-04:002011-09-23T21:59:04.860-04:00Katie said:
"I really don't think that B...Katie said:<br /><br />"I really don't think that Bryn or whatever his name is was the "end-all be-all" person everyone is making him out to be. I think he was some clown that got arrested for something and now the Col. is trying to make him some missing link to something or other."<br /><br />Well, out here in California, we call it "A person of interest"...Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-10984963568051057872011-09-23T21:33:14.995-04:002011-09-23T21:33:14.995-04:00OK mystery solved about DeCarlo -
Smith, Richard...OK mystery solved about DeCarlo - <br /><br />Smith, Richard Allen 5-4, 130 lbs, sailor head tattoo USCG...<br /><br />I think that was him.Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-18466659658537029892011-09-23T20:55:34.881-04:002011-09-23T20:55:34.881-04:00Well, now what I'm trying to see is where &quo...Well, now what I'm trying to see is where "Danny DeCarlo" is listed on that arrest report...<br /><br />I don't see him nor his alias on there, will have to dig through what I have on it...I might be missing it.<br /><br />And I know he was there...LOL..Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-57080310918407841722011-09-23T20:44:55.010-04:002011-09-23T20:44:55.010-04:00Hi Kimchi.
Yes Charlie left a bullet for Wilson t...Hi Kimchi.<br /><br />Yes Charlie left a bullet for Wilson to "show him who's boss". <br /><br />That Charlie. HA HA.<br /><br />I really don't think that Bryn or whatever his name is was the "end-all be-all" person everyone is making him out to be. I think he was some clown that got arrested for something and now the Col. is trying to make him some missing link to something or other.<br /><br />That definitely isn't his picture on the trailer.<br /><br />Now as Starship has suggested, maybe someone at the arrest site at Spahn's claimed to be Bryn, therefore the photog labeled this picture with his name. That's possible. This was Beauders' statement that the photo she has is labeled with his name.<br /><br />If he was involved with Wilson or Crowe, it's anybody's guess. It's not documented anywhere. It's all hearsay.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-20575393224311296112011-09-23T12:24:30.448-04:002011-09-23T12:24:30.448-04:00Starship said:
"CM is rumored later on to hav...Starship said:<br />"CM is rumored later on to have tried to see Wilson, but is rumored to have been thrown out by this guy Bryn..."<br /><br />I decided to research this a little and found it was everyone but Bryan, LOL (that I could find)<br /><br />Here Ed Roach says it was Dennis himself that CM threatened:<br />Jump to 21:20 <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jlf6CIkVGc&feature=player_embedded#!<br /><br />Wiki says: <br />When Manson subsequently sought further contact (and money), he left a bullet with Wilson's housekeeper to be delivered with a cryptic message, which was perceived by Wilson as a threat<br /><br />Bugliosi says on page 340 that Charlie handed Jakobson a .44 magnum bullet and threatened to do something with Dennis' son.<br /><br />Then on the History Channel documentary it says it was "Shapiro" (probably a psudo name)<br /><br />Or Starship, was this another incident? May I ask where it was mentioned that it was Bryan L?<br /><br />I guess that's why they label it as "Rumors" LOL<br /><br />Wish we could connect all this Hawaii stuff - Babs and Ouish in Hawaii, Tex goes to Hawaii, now Bryan L lives there...but what attracted the family back in '69?Kimchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067727501654193744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-25459158499774147952011-09-23T11:45:06.737-04:002011-09-23T11:45:06.737-04:00Hi Starship!
>>>So when the cops raid Sp...Hi Starship!<br /><br />>>>So when the cops raid Spahn's, and lots of aliases are thrown around, is it not possible that someone, perhaps even CM himself, tells the cops that his name is Bryn Lukashevsky for perhaps no other reason than to annoy him by getting the cops to hassle him?>>><br /><br />That's possible, although when they got "downtown", fingerprinted and booked, that would probably be disproved. <br /><br />But it's possible that when the picture was taken, the photographer thought this guy's name was Bryn Lukashevsky and labeled the photo that way???katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-46633204999492073702011-09-23T11:04:06.698-04:002011-09-23T11:04:06.698-04:00Ok, I'm going to just blow some smoke here:
L...Ok, I'm going to just blow some smoke here:<br /><br />Let's assume Bryn was at Crowe's when it all went down. He wasn't there with CM, so either he was with Crowe or perhaps there to pick up some product (Perhaps for Wilson?)<br /><br />He witnesses what goes down and informs Wilson, which leads to Wilson definitely wanting nothing more to do with CM.<br /><br />CM is rumored later on to have tried to see Wilson, but is rumored to have been thrown out by this guy Bryn...<br /><br />So when the cops raid Spahn's, and lots of aliases are thrown around, is it not possible that someone, perhaps even CM himself, tells the cops that his name is Bryn Lukashevsky for perhaps no other reason than to annoy him by getting the cops to hassle him?<br /><br />Just thinking out loud...because I think Lynyrd has made a good point that he wasn't there.starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-6428508118301021352011-09-23T10:55:39.159-04:002011-09-23T10:55:39.159-04:00Wow. If I had a way cool mug shot photo like that...Wow. If I had a way cool mug shot photo like that, I would definitely paste it on my facebook. If I had a facebook.starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-14566225544490273202011-09-22T14:36:58.284-04:002011-09-22T14:36:58.284-04:00Worth repeating:
Kimchi said:
>>>>&qu...Worth repeating:<br /><br />Kimchi said:<br />>>>><i>"I can tell you one thing according to the mug shot, West Hollywood is the arresting agency..<br />I believe the arresting agency for Spahn was Malibu/Lost Hills Station.<br />Too bad part of the tag was cut off or we would have known what he was arrested for and what date".</i><br /><br />Yeah... like everything in this case... the most important portion of the mugshot, is cut-off! LOLLynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-24497660706278078982011-09-22T14:26:32.251-04:002011-09-22T14:26:32.251-04:00Beauders said:
>>>>"i just looked...Beauders said:<br />>>>>"i just looked at the booking photo and that bryn lukashevesky has the same bithday january 28, 1948 as the same bryn lukashevesky listed on the manson's associates list".<<<<<br /><br /><b>Beauders... it matches, but here's the catch:<br /><br />That booking photo, does not appear to be from the 8-16-69 raid.<br />Kimchi, Cats and (Vera in the past)... have all indicated... the arresting location listed (on the mugshot)... does not corrsepond with Spahn's.<br />In addition... the date on the mugshot is mysteriously missing.<br /><br />--------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />Here's where I'm at Beauders:<br /><br />It's very likely that "Bryn/Brian" had association with Crowe and Wilson... and Manson as well, to a lesser extent.<br /><br />It's also obvious, that Bryn was arrested at least once... hence the mug shot.<br />(I believe "Bryn's" information on that list you keep referring to... was taken directly off the mugshot)<br /><br />I also believe there's a pretty good chance, that facebook character is the same guy.<br /><br />----------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />Here's a few loopholes for you:<br /><br />1) Bryn's identity on the original booking sheets, has not been proven by anyone as of yet... including me.<br /><br />2) The arresting location on that mugshot, does not "jive" with Spahn's. <br />Also, the date is mysteriously cut-off.<br /><br />3) Much less important, but still worthy of note:<br />The man on that trailor simply doesn't look 6' 1'' to me.<br />Back in the late 60's... a man over six feet, was a big guy.<br />Kids grow to be giants now-a-days... but, back then, that was a pretty big dude.<br />He's one of the smaller guys in that photo.<br /><br />--------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />My Conclusion:<br />IF "Bryn" was present at Spahn's for the 8/16-/9 raid... he either wasn't officially arrested along with the others... (maybe he talked his way out of it, explaining he was a one-time guest)... OR, he was arrested... and his name was omitted from the paperwork intentionally... or by mistake.<br /><br />There are loopholes here Beauders.<br />That's all I'm saying...<br /><br />All these facts are still far from "proven", and hence... remain "assertions"... which <i>could</i> be true.<br /><br />Beleieve me... I wanted to connect all these dots for everyone definitively.<br />Unfortuantely... as of now... some things just don't add-up.</b>LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-87339299465455307062011-09-22T10:04:31.468-04:002011-09-22T10:04:31.468-04:00Hi Lurch!!
>>>Why not just go to the guy...Hi Lurch!!<br /><br />>>>Why not just go to the guys FB page and ask him?>>><br /><br />Well...that might get a little sticky.<br /><br />"Hey Bryan, are you the guy in the Spahn Ranch raid photo, sitting two down from Charles Manson?"<br /><br />If it isn't him, he's going to be livid. And if it is him....he might have to shut his Facebook page down.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-89447347666711250992011-09-22T10:01:57.825-04:002011-09-22T10:01:57.825-04:00Hi Beauders!
>>>Beauders said: i think ...Hi Beauders!<br /><br />>>>Beauders said: i think bryn came into manson's orbit through dennis wilson, he was not a hollywood big wig or big time dealer, he did not know the cielo crowd. he did report back to wilson though about the shooting of crowe.>>><br /><br />I don't think he knew the Cielo crowd either, so I don't get why this guy is an important link. Why would Wilson care about Crowe? <br /><br />>>>i do believe he is in that photo though, his name is listed on it. maybe someone can explain to me how the u.p. got a hold of his name and why they list this man as bryn if he isn't?>>><br /><br />That I don't know. They made a mistake?? The guy sitting on that trailer does not look 6'1" tall to me. I know he's sitting down, but so are the others, and if you compare him to Charlie, he's just not that big of a guy.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-6563088026655494722011-09-22T09:20:00.182-04:002011-09-22T09:20:00.182-04:00Why not just go to the guys FB page and ask him?Why not just go to the guys FB page and ask him?lurchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13117542708565859578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-46760691616023344212011-09-22T04:15:22.457-04:002011-09-22T04:15:22.457-04:00i just looked at the booking photo and that bryn l...i just looked at the booking photo and that bryn lukashevesky has the same bithday january 28, 1948 as the same bryn lukashevesky listed on the manson's associates list.<br />the photo you are showing has no names on it like it was cut off but my copy and john aes-nihil's both have the names on them.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-50073667124489893412011-09-22T04:08:03.106-04:002011-09-22T04:08:03.106-04:00yes there are names on the picture. manson, decarl...yes there are names on the picture. manson, decarlo, lucakevski, and one or two others are. that's why people are confused by what i'm saying i must not have been clear his name is on the picture. that is why i am so certain it is him. i meant a.p. associated pressbeaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-21372840004258324672011-09-22T02:35:38.967-04:002011-09-22T02:35:38.967-04:00Is there more to this photo?
I see no names liste...Is there more to this photo?<br /><br />I see no names listed on it.<br /><br />And, who is U.P.?LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-53186028056576258542011-09-22T02:25:26.279-04:002011-09-22T02:25:26.279-04:00i think bryn came into manson's orbit through ...i think bryn came into manson's orbit through dennis wilson, he was not a hollywood big wig or big time dealer, he did not know the cielo crowd. he did report back to wilson though about the shooting of crowe.<br />i do believe he is in that photo though, his name is listed on it. maybe someone can explain to me how the u.p. got a hold of his name and why they list this man as bryn if he isn't?beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-22097682118167395262011-09-22T01:08:13.325-04:002011-09-22T01:08:13.325-04:00Beauders said:
>>>>"i really give...Beauders said:<br />>>>>"i really give a hell about this guy i just thought it was interesting he was with crowe the night he was shot and then at spahn the day of the raid".<<<<<br /><br />When Bryn's name came-up again... I thought to myself:<br /><i>"I'll be damned, if I'm gonna let all my research go down the toilet... and listen to this conversation start from scratch again".</i><br />So... I got involved.<br /><br />Beyond that Beauders... I agree totally.<br />I think WAY too much time is being invested on this freakin' "Bryn" guy.<br /><br /><i>Supposedly</i> this "Bryn" is a "link" between Crowe, Spahn's and Wilson.<br />From there... it's <i>supposed</i> that Bryn is a link between the Cielo and Spahn's groups.<br />He's essentially:<br />"The guy who dealt with the hollywood Wilson-types... and the underworld Manson-types".<br />The big bridge between the two camps/worlds!<br />This guy's role just keeps growing larger.<br />It's all over-blown.<br /><br />Shit... Tex dealt with both Manson and Crowe.<br />Also... TJ was a Manson associate... who visited Crowe's place once, as well.<br />It's the same situation in reverse.<br />Who the f#ck cares???<br /><br />AND... as I said... I don't even believe "Bryn" was arrested in the freakin' raid to begin with.<br />Which makes the whole discussion even more foolish.<br /><br />We're on the same page Beauders... regarding the relative insignificance of this guy.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-41231541288347957082011-09-22T00:37:07.347-04:002011-09-22T00:37:07.347-04:00Hello Beauders!
Beauders said:
>>>>&q...<b>Hello Beauders!<br /><br />Beauders said:<br />>>>>"ok i guess i've stirred stuff up. i have the exact same press photo of the raid that features lukashevsky. the rub is i moved and it is in storage. i know john aes-nihil has a copy and confirmed that the man is bryn lukashevsky to the col. i have no reason to lie and have not posted anything on the blogs that is not 100% correct. the man in that photo is bryn lukashevsky".<<<<<br /><br />Beauders... as you know... I value your opinion and research. <br />As I always say... "You Rock"!<br />Up until now... I believe you've been 100% accurate with your information.<br /><br />Unfortunately... on this one... I have to politely say... I'm not convinced.<br /><br />I've done substantial research of my own... as well as consulted with some very knowledgable friends.<br />I've consulted with some very "heavy hitters"... some mentioned here... others not.<br /><br />Our verdict:<br />"Bryn" was not arrested in the 8-16-69 raid.<br /><br />If you have proof beyond that photo... I'd be happy to stand corrected.<br /><br />As of now... I've personally seen considerable proof, that Bryn was not arrested that day... and zero, that he was...<br /><br />Is it possible "Bryn" was there... and NOT arrested as MattP suggests??<br />Who knows.<br /><br />BUT... I WILL say this:<br />The police took the time to list the names of five children/infants on the arrest sheets.<br /><br />Detained:<br />These are all children and infants…<br /><br />1) John Friedman (dob 3-26-59)<br />2) Zozezose Zadfrack Glutz (dob 10-7-68)<br />3) Michael Shawn (16 mos)<br />4) Dennis DeCarlo (17 mos)<br />5) Tanya Kasabian (18 mos)<br /><br />They took the time to list a bunch of kids... but exempted "Bryn"???<br />That seems VERY unlikely to me.<br /><br />ALSO... I have to agree with Katie.<br /><br />The mugshot lists Bryn as being 6 feet, one inch tall.<br /><br />C'mon... that dude on the trailor is NOT 6 feet, one inch tall.<br />He looks like a peanut.<br /><br />I've gotta see more proof on this one Beauders.<br />John Aes-Nihil's word (alone), is not going to convince me.<br /><br />As I said... if someone can prove me wrong... I'd be happy to stand corrected.</b>LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-70444363982867748312011-09-22T00:17:22.459-04:002011-09-22T00:17:22.459-04:00i meant to include that the press photo lists all ...i meant to include that the press photo lists all the mens name and includes the name bryn lukashevsky on it. i really give a hell about this guy i just thought it was interesting he was with crowe the night he was shot and then at spahn the day of the raid.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-66154833127378605902011-09-22T00:13:01.202-04:002011-09-22T00:13:01.202-04:00Hi Kimchi!!!
Kimchi said:
>>>>"I...<b>Hi Kimchi!!!<br /><br />Kimchi said:<br />>>>>"I can tell you one thing according to the mug shot, West Hollywood is the arresting agency..<br />I believe the arresting agency for Spahn was Malibu/Lost Hills Station".<<<<<br /><br />Cats actually e-mailed me (again) later today, and made the same point.<br /><br />Cats' second e-mail read:<br /><br />>>>>"Also, if one looks at the info under the Bryan mug (as pointed out by Vera on the Col's blog) it is from north hollywood... not Spahns"<<<<<br /><br />You two are in agreement... which is good enough for me. : )</b>LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-4789099120532438882011-09-22T00:11:42.801-04:002011-09-22T00:11:42.801-04:00ok i guess i've stirred stuff up. i have the e...ok i guess i've stirred stuff up. i have the exact same press photo of the raid that features lukashevsky. the rub is i moved and it is in storage. i know john aes-nihil has a copy and confirmed that the man is bryn lukashevsky to the col. i have no reason to lie and have not posted anything on the blogs that is not 100% correct. the man in that photo is bryn lukashevsky.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-56758643274209703462011-09-22T00:01:38.869-04:002011-09-22T00:01:38.869-04:00Aaahhhhh, it rained here tonight.
Peace on Earth....Aaahhhhh, it rained here tonight.<br /><br />Peace on Earth.<br /><br />Good night.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-70689448037785300272011-09-21T23:50:00.820-04:002011-09-21T23:50:00.820-04:00Hi Kimchi!!!
I think we've pretty much agreed...Hi Kimchi!!!<br /><br />I think we've pretty much agreed that Bryn wasn't arrested at Spahn's Ranch in the August raid.<br /><br />I'm sure there was a lot of confusion going on there at the time, but it's pretty evident that this mug shot is not the same man as the man on the trailer at Spahn's.<br /><br />Thanks for your input!!!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.com