tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post4043972383950390970..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger123125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-28435049366236782722020-10-10T18:47:35.813-04:002020-10-10T18:47:35.813-04:00life at spahn ranch sounds like a utopia to me, iv...life at spahn ranch sounds like a utopia to me, ive read many reports that it was. No getting up at the crack of dawn to go to some shitty job we all hate, no worrys, no rules, just chilling out on a movie ranch from the wildwest and taking drugs, drinking, having sex and sitting round campfires singing and having barbeques.<br />it must of been an amazing 2 years, a shame it all ended in tears. but all good times end in tears, nothing is good forever. <br />A lot of people are jellous of the fun at spahn ranch, i read some comment by Katie 'see above' about how shitty it all was. anybody like her who thinks the times at spahn the family had were crap is clearly jellous and bitter coz they have a boring life. i see this bitterness all the time. These people know exactly what im talking about. listen, instead of being bitter, make some changes, you'll never have a spahn ranch but you can take a few months off work in the year and go do drugs at festivals like ozora and psyfi. be a lover not a hater. The mansonfamily are cool.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14581480161815422600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-84537650801653775822011-10-09T16:01:41.219-04:002011-10-09T16:01:41.219-04:00By the early 1980′s Manson and his supporters were...By the early 1980′s Manson and his supporters were primarily using the term ATWA, which usually stood for ‘’Air, Trees, Water, Animals,’’ to represent their ecological-spiritual worldview. The name clearly refers to the elements of of the biosphere that are crucial to humans survival; these can also be closely equated to the four cardinal elements in ancient hermetic philosophy: Air, Earth, Water and Fire. ATWA is not represented by any formal organization or membership. In contrast to mainstream environmental groups with bureaucratic structures and tendencies toward compromise, ATWA is a state of radical consciousness, a way of thought and action that seeks to completely redress not just worldwide industrial pollution and ecological imbalance, but also the perceived unnatural evils of media control, consumerism, feminism and matriarchy, overpopulation and racial intermixing. In blunt language, ATWA’s proponents emphasize the unity of life on Earth, which is often spoken of in religious terms. Manson has stated that ‘’Ecology is God, for without it we are dead forever.” This perspective informs both the urgency and the moral fervor of statements such as the following from Sandra Good: ‘’ATWA is your survival on earth. It’s a revolution against pollution. ATWA is ATWAR with pollution — a holy war. You are either working for ATWA — life — or you’re working for death. Fix it and live or run from it and die.” The Representatives of ATWA believe that the devastation of the Earth can only be halted and reversed by a one-world government with the vision and military power to enforce this goal. It is further implied that Manson is one of the few people possessed of the necessary degree of understanding and insight to articulate the course for such solutions. Despite the passage of time, Charles Manson maintains his status in American popular culture as a perennial outsider to the ‘’Establishment’’ and continues to attract interest from new generations of young people. Over the years, aspects of his philosophy have been adopted by radical enterprises ranging from the ultra-left June 2nd movement to revolutionary National Socialists. While Manson’s ideas often reach a wide audience through various websites, music releases, and occasional media interviews, only a few outside of his immediate circle appear to have understood the centrality of ATWA to his worldview.Shak Elhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09133403951218666229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-18388515774260369132011-10-09T16:01:15.766-04:002011-10-09T16:01:15.766-04:00In the years following Manson’s conviction and imp...In the years following Manson’s conviction and imprisonment with a life sentence, his close associates Lynette Fromme and Sandra Good became increasingly active in their efforts to raise awareness of the present systems failure to properly steward the Earth. In what was apparently a desperate attempt to draw attention to this message, Fromme was apprehended after pulling a 1914 military issue .45 handgun on president Gerald Ford in 1975 in Sacramento, California. Shortly afterwords Good was arrested for conspiracy to mail death threats to hundreds of corporate polluters under the aegis of IPCR, or “International People’s Court of Retribution,’’ which may have been a precursor to ATWA. Good served a ten year sentence and was released, while Fromme is currently serving a life sentence (shak el she has been released since this was written).Shak Elhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09133403951218666229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-21389469684486413412011-10-09T15:59:56.648-04:002011-10-09T15:59:56.648-04:00from The Encyclopedia of Religion and Nature by Br...from The Encyclopedia of Religion and Nature by Bron R. Taylor (Editor)<br />ATWA (an acronym for both ‘’Air, Trees, Water, Animals’’ and ‘’All The Way Alive’’ ) represents the uncompromising ecological mandate propounded by the infamous American convict Charles Manson (b. 11 November 1934) and a number of his most loyal associates. The exact origins of ATWA are obscure, although related ecological beliefs appear to have been present among Manson and his associates during the late 1960′s. After having spent most of his early life behind bars for a string of criminal offenses ranging from auto theft to check fraud, Manson was paroled in 1967 and found a welcoming environment in the burgeoning counterculture. Together with a small retinue of disaffected young people, he took flight from the ‘’madness of the cities’’ and established a communal colony at a ranch in the Santa Susana mountains outside of Los Angeles, California. The group began to make survivalist forays into Death Valley in order to scout out more remote areas of the desert, and in September 1969 some members attempted to thwart nearby road developments by deliberately setting an expensive piece of Earth-moving equipment on fire. This early act of ‘’monkey wrenching’’ – occurring a number of years before the concept would be popularized by Edward Abbey, Dave Foreman, and other radical environmentalists – was a key factor that caused the encampment of Manson associates to come under scrutiny from local law-enforcement authorities. A study of contemporary testimonies reveals that Manson discouraged meat eating while advocating a primal understanding of the natural world which included totemistic identification with various animals. Speaking to Rolling Stone in 1970 after his arrest in connection with the Tate/LaBianca murders, he stated: ‘’Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, Tuned in, completely aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert – it’s the same thing man. The coyote is beautiful … He hears every sound, smells every smell, sees everything that moves. He’s always in a state of total paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness.” asked what he would do if released, Manson replied: ”I would go out into the desert. The desert is magic … nobody ever wanted me and nobody wants the desert … I’ll live in the desert, like a coyote. I know where every water hole is and every fruit that’s edible … the desert is God’s Kingdom.”Shak Elhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09133403951218666229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-17235173671676221742011-10-03T10:03:17.032-04:002011-10-03T10:03:17.032-04:00Hi Whiskybeauty!
>>>Talking of the swast...Hi Whiskybeauty!<br /><br />>>>Talking of the swastika, it is also a Hindu symbol, think it represents good luck.>>><br /><br />Thanks Whiskybeauty! It's too bad that it was transformed into such a symbol of evil.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-28786741427378575732011-10-02T11:07:31.285-04:002011-10-02T11:07:31.285-04:00Hi Lynyrd and Katie!
Talking of the swastika, it ...Hi Lynyrd and Katie! <br />Talking of the swastika, it is also a Hindu symbol, think it represents good luck.whiskybeautyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17460114461900962117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-74529108738722469502011-09-29T18:06:38.269-04:002011-09-29T18:06:38.269-04:00I guess, as my buddy used to say:
"It's ...I guess, as my buddy used to say: <br />"It's a good problem to have"...LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-3867646188560391642011-09-29T18:05:57.440-04:002011-09-29T18:05:57.440-04:00Hey RFoster!!!
Long time, no see.
Believe me, I k...Hey RFoster!!!<br />Long time, no see.<br /><br />Believe me, I know...<br /><br />Sometimes Katie "gets on me" for not being "active enough" in the comments section?<br />Evidently... "I'm not reading all the posts closely enough". LOL<br />I mean... is she kidding me? <br />Ever try to responding to 297 posts?! LOL<br /><br />Blog administration...<br /><br />It's sometimes like that commercial:<br />"Wanna get away"?<br /><br />: )<br /><br />If you've got fresh air and animals close-by... I say go for it!LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-43039116659601224612011-09-29T15:38:48.238-04:002011-09-29T15:38:48.238-04:00After reading all 115 comments, I find myself in n...After reading all 115 comments, I find myself in need of some air. I think I'll go sit under my tree, breathe some air, sip some water, and watch the animals do their little animal thing.<br /><br />This is the one after one fifteen.<br /><br />Hello Lynyrd. Hello Frank. Hello Katie.rfoster1https://www.blogger.com/profile/03498047285030700138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-21509200335158212102011-09-29T12:59:20.142-04:002011-09-29T12:59:20.142-04:00So how effective is ATWA (for those who believe).....So how effective is ATWA (for those who believe)....what have they done to help protect the environment? Do they work in conjunction with our government or the EPA? How many trained scientists, geologists, engineers, ep & p folks do they have?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-92109215966011411412011-09-29T00:35:54.131-04:002011-09-29T00:35:54.131-04:00katie you are ver funny. not only was atwa a p.r. ...katie you are ver funny. not only was atwa a p.r. move by manson, i think he also used it keep sandy and lynette busy and in his pocket.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-42552112072554304612011-09-28T22:02:12.863-04:002011-09-28T22:02:12.863-04:00Charles Manson is NOT mentally retarded or otherwi...Charles Manson is NOT mentally retarded or otherwise incapable of speaking up.<br /><br />Far from that. He may be uneducated, but he's far from dumb.<br /><br />He had plenty of opportunities to speak up and get help.<br /><br />He didn't. Why? Because he'd rather play the "blame game".<br /><br />It's easier to play that than blame yourself.<br /><br />That's why a lot of people are dead.<br /><br />Because Charles Manson can't take responsibility!!!! <br /><br />He was, and still is....a loser. And that's by HIS choice!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-67977162846551754412011-09-28T21:56:36.907-04:002011-09-28T21:56:36.907-04:00Charles Manson is a killer. Always was....always ...Charles Manson is a killer. Always was....always will be. Period.<br /><br />Why? Because he's mad at society.<br /><br />Why? Because he blames them for him living in boy's homes and prisons.<br /><br />Whose fault is that?<br /><br />HIS!!!!<br /><br />He could have gotten a job....he didn't.<br /><br />He could have sought help...he didn't.<br /><br />He could have called on a relative...he didn't.<br /><br />He could have realized that his life was a shambles and tried to start over...he didn't.<br /><br />He has tried to blame everything bad in his life on everyone else but him.<br /><br />It's mama's fault, it's daddy's fault, it's the government's fault, it's Melcher's fault, it's Wilson's fault, it's the PIG's fault, it's Bugliosi's fault...BUT...it's nobody's fault but Charles Manson's!!!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-50121211916045865652011-09-28T21:49:31.513-04:002011-09-28T21:49:31.513-04:00Okay in this clip, Manson reveals his answer to ov...Okay in this clip, Manson reveals his answer to overpopulation:<br /><br />"In another interview with Geraldo Rivera, Manson goes further, saying that 50 million dead will be required to please mother Earth.<br /><br />“I’m gonna kill you, as many as I can. I’m gonna pile you up to the sky, I figure about 50 million,” said Manson, “I figure if I can get about 50 million of you I might be able to save my trees and my air and my water and my wildlife.”<br /><br />Mason characterized the slaughter of 50 million people in the name of saving the planet as “just a drop in the bucket of what’s really coming.”>>><br /><br />And then this about Star:<br /><br />>>>Another of Manson’s “followers,” a 24 year-old woman Manson named “Star,” invoked the Club of Rome’s infamous 1990 publication entitled The First Global Revolution, in which the organization outlined how they would manufacture ecological scares in order to manipulate the public into accepting the imposition of a dictatorial world government run by them, when she talked about Manson’s belief that humans were the enemy of the Earth.>>><br /><br />'Nough said???<br /><br />http://www.infowars.com/charles-manson-global-warming-prophet/katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-87347596043528395272011-09-28T21:07:44.859-04:002011-09-28T21:07:44.859-04:00>>>Bobby said: To me ATWA means: all the...>>>Bobby said: To me ATWA means: all the way alive.>>><br /><br />Yeah Bobby, it's too bad that it didn't mean that for Gary, Steven, Abigail, Sharon, Jay, Voytek, Rosemary, Leno, Shorty and various others that were killed by Manson.<br /><br />More people than we can imagine.<br /><br />If anyone doesn't happen to know this: Charles Manson is a killer. Period.<br /><br />He orchestrated death. Nobody's fault but his.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-89606028718580355062011-09-28T21:01:25.432-04:002011-09-28T21:01:25.432-04:00Lynyrd ATWA may be a symbol of something that'...Lynyrd ATWA may be a symbol of something that's important to the environment.<br /><br />However, as you say, anyone can jump on that and start a website with little or no money, and use it for their own gain.<br /><br />That's what I think ANYONE who is connected with Manson has done.<br /><br />The mansondirect.com website is strictly for Manson to continue "wagging his tongue" freely, without having to be interviewed and argued with.<br /><br />I'm not sure who thought "ATWA" up, but I have a feeling it was Sandy & Squeaky, or in other guise, "Red & Blue".<br /><br />During the trials, Sandy and Squeaky, along with other minions at the time, threatened to kill the jurors, the judge, the prosecutor, the attorneys, and anyone else connected with this case.<br /><br />I would like to know how can ANYONE take these idiots seriously?<br /><br />Anyone of these young people just discovering this case who seriously believe that this ATWA crap is something that Charlie believes in, or invented, needs to review the facts of this case, starting back in 1969!!!<br /><br />Get your primers out students and start reading!!! HA HA.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-53467808016446470862011-09-28T17:03:43.293-04:002011-09-28T17:03:43.293-04:00I don't want to get myself too deep into this ...<b>I don't want to get myself too deep into this ATWA topic (without a shovel, LOL)... because quite frankly... I'm far from an authority on this subject.<br /><br />I'm not certain who started ATWA... when it was started exactly... or how pure their motives were (i.e., "why" it was started).<br /><br />But, having said that... I believe Bradley is on the right track.<br /><br />I think ATWA is essentially a symbol... much like the "peace sign".<br /><br />If you see the "peace sign" on someone's shirt, it carries a message of sorts... a mindset, a "creedo" if you will. <br />But the message is not absolutely specific.<br />I mean... the "peace sign" can have differing meanings to different folks... beyond the obvious mesage of peace... and differing levels of significance to everyone who sees it.<br />And... the "peace sign" is certainly not an official organization.<br />(Not that I know of, anyway)<br /><br />"Go Green"... "Tree Hugger"... it's all similar "buzz words", or "catch phrases".<br /><br />I think ATWA can be lumped into this message/symbol group... albeit much lesser-recognized by the mainstream.<br /><br />Trouble is... with the internet... anyone can start a website for little to no money.<br />That's what I believe has happened with ATWA.<br />(As Bradley suggested).<br /><br />Folks jump on the "bandwagon"... or what they perceive as a bandwagon... and all these ATWA sites spring-up.<br /><br />Trouble is... after these sites open... the operators soon realise... you can't really base an entire website around a "peace sign" sorta speak.<br /><br />Imagine creating a website around the "peace sign" symbol.<br />Sure you could create a few fabulous pages from the history and concept of the symbol... but, you'd quickly run out of fodder/subject-matter.<br /><br />So it is, wth these independent ATWA sites.<br />They post a collection of Manson/Star photos... a bunch of beautiful photos of trees, animal and water... and then they're soon out of material.<br /><br />That's pretty much my humble "take" on the subject... which I (admittedly) have very limited knowledge/exposure to.</b>LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-83003991691368630482011-09-28T14:27:19.539-04:002011-09-28T14:27:19.539-04:00>>>Matt said: as for atwa maybe they'...>>>Matt said: as for atwa maybe they're not posting because they think they'll be attacked and not taken seriously<br />but as long as mansons the main person associated with them they will be attacked and not taken seriously.>>><br /><br />HA HA HA HA. Matt you are sooo succinct!!!<br /><br />The chicken or the egg??katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-23772235594648705582011-09-28T14:25:40.015-04:002011-09-28T14:25:40.015-04:00>>>Bradley said: I'm not sure what t...>>>Bradley said: I'm not sure what the current "ATWA people" want done. They're somewhat unorganized. <br /><br />Star is working for both ATWA and a new trial.>>><br /><br />I think you just answered your own question. LOL.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-46600299878409467462011-09-28T13:20:39.768-04:002011-09-28T13:20:39.768-04:00all i remember is that people thought he was a dis...all i remember is that people thought he was a disbarred lawyer then the don murphy thing came up.<br /> the only thing i know of that hes admitted to is having a supermodel wife!<br /> maybe don murphy is a disbarred lawyer with a supermodel wife.<br /> like i said earlier it doesnt really matter just something i've always been curious about.<br /> as for atwa maybe they're not posting because they think they'll be attacked and not taken seriously<br />but as long as mansons the main person associated with them they will be attacked and not taken seriously.<br /> just look at the mess they(the family) left behind at spahn and barker.....<br /> i posted a link to the mess at barker ranch in another thread but i'm too lazy to look it up again<br /> its in part 3 of the charles manson superstar video part 3 on yt<br /> 4 minutes in i think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-13237946504375537692011-09-28T11:26:33.027-04:002011-09-28T11:26:33.027-04:00yI think the answer lies in how Manson assimilates...yI think the answer lies in how Manson assimilates knowledge. A lot of people just take stuff in as it is, where as he seems to take stuff and make it his own. I believe ATWA is Charlie's invention which was taken up by Red and Blue. I believe him when he explains that every time he got out of jail the earth was worse off than when he went into jail, at least environmentally. I agree that it has become whatever his friends changed it into. I'm not sure what the current "ATWA people" want done. They're somewhat unorganized. Star is working for both ATWA and a new trial. I think that these two things are not related and get everything confused when put together. I think I answered the questions? lol.....I tried at least. I just kind of watch what's going on as far as Manson/ATWA goes. I believe in the concept of ATWA, maybe just not the application as it is being carried out today. I think it will evolve though......axl805https://www.blogger.com/profile/18393153496182380383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-22590050333674332152011-09-28T11:02:56.120-04:002011-09-28T11:02:56.120-04:00>>>Matt said: i think i remember him den...>>>Matt said: i think i remember him denying it many years ago.<br />but then i could be wrong too.>>><br /><br />Well you know a lot more about that guy than I do. I just know he says he's a dis-barred attorney and writes a blog. LOL.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-72027168811391967622011-09-28T11:00:22.231-04:002011-09-28T11:00:22.231-04:00Hi Bradley. Thanks for taking the time to post yo...Hi Bradley. Thanks for taking the time to post your explanation.<br /><br />>>>The current crop of ATWA folks are very combative and confrontational when people don't do what they want......that's led to a lot of animosity. ATWA is also the whole ONE concept too......that the Earth is ONE thing and that we are all ONE.>>><br /><br />What do they want people to do? <br /><br />I understand that ATWA is a concept of saving the earth. But someone thought of that acronym.<br /><br />I'm thinking that Sandy and maybe Squeaky started this stuff after Manson was convicted, in order to make him seem "nice".<br /><br />I also think that it has evolved during the years, depending on who was/is supporting Manson.<br /><br />I don't know much about his current supporters, but it seems they are "way over the top" as usual, listening to Manson's rhetoric.<br /><br />The concept of conserving natural resources and protecting the environment is much older than Charles Manson. He certainly didn't invent it.<br /><br />I guess we're confused about this ATWA business because it always seems to be connected somehow to Manson.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-54671821391508059522011-09-28T10:24:53.484-04:002011-09-28T10:24:53.484-04:00The current crop of ATWA folks are very combative ...The current crop of ATWA folks are very combative and confrontational when people don't do what they want......that's led to a lot of animosity. ATWA is also the whole ONE concept too......that the Earth is ONE thing and that we are all ONE.axl805https://www.blogger.com/profile/18393153496182380383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-15926148599788090172011-09-28T10:23:07.488-04:002011-09-28T10:23:07.488-04:00ATWA as websites and organizations is fake in my o...ATWA as websites and organizations is fake in my opinion. I'm friend with Michael from Backporch tapes and all of those associated with the Backporch have attempted to be freindly with those trumpeting ATWA. What I've seen from those that scream it the loudest is that they've turned into something that they own. I believe ATWA is a concept. A philosophical thing that exists in the minds of those that are aware of ecology and the environment. So, I guess ATWA is whatever each person wants it to be. ATWA is whatever you can do for the Earth at any given point in time. ATWA is bigger than Manson I think, but they get mixed up. A lot of those that are running those websites and preaching ATWA are really getting away from the whole ideal. They're for the most part, fairly extreme and they shut people off from the idea. ATWA is ATWA and that means that ATWA is basically whatever you want it to be in your own mind.axl805https://www.blogger.com/profile/18393153496182380383noreply@blogger.com