tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post3439937802495783179..comments2024-03-16T11:39:39.772-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-76377149649148753332011-05-10T23:14:00.826-04:002011-05-10T23:14:00.826-04:00Hello Ruckas... Great to see you again!
Ruckas sa...Hello Ruckas... Great to see you again!<br /><br />Ruckas said>>>><br />"Has anyone thought of asking Stovits remaining family members if he kept a personal journal on the Manson Trial? while he was involved I was thinking maybe he kept one even after he was removed from the case, just a thought".<br /><br />Good idea Ruckas... there's probably legal notes from his tenure with the case, lying-around somewhere.<br /><br />I was thinking earlier today:<br />I'm sure Bugliosi would know what the "game plan" was, while Stovitz was in-charge.<br />Bugliosi was there... they were working together.<br />Bugliosi could tell us what the case looked like at that time, and if in fact, he (Bug) changed things sigmificantly, when he began working alone.<br />Anyone have access to Bug??<br />Probably not... but, it's a thought.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-51553695277327133242011-05-10T22:58:39.546-04:002011-05-10T22:58:39.546-04:00Has anyone thought of asking Stovits remaining fam...Has anyone thought of asking Stovits remaining family members if he kept a personal journal on the Manson Trial? while he was involved I was thinking maybe he kept one even after he was removed from the case, just a thought.Ruckashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09897438035615423251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-55810152455342081642011-05-10T19:42:59.568-04:002011-05-10T19:42:59.568-04:00Poirot...
Bugliosi was asked, point-blank (in a r...Poirot...<br /><br />Bugliosi was asked, point-blank (in a recent interview):<br />"Do you still believe Helter Skelter was the only motive"?<br /><br />Bugliosi's reply:<br />"In retrospect, it seems the motives were several and disparate".<br /><br />That's lawyer speak... for "there were other motives".<br /><br />I'll look for the video footage of that interview, sometime, when I have the chance.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-4309907222614703372011-05-10T19:26:07.868-04:002011-05-10T19:26:07.868-04:00Helter Skelter opponents won'y acknowledge tha...Helter Skelter opponents won'y acknowledge that Bug says in his book that HS was but one of the motives.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-84186898858034252602011-05-10T14:59:28.682-04:002011-05-10T14:59:28.682-04:00Bobby said: Motive, My understanding is that the ...Bobby said: Motive, My understanding is that the prosecution does not need to provide a motive from a legal stand point. I think VB went with the HS theory as motive because he seen it as the best way to get a conviction on Manson.>>><br /><br />No I guess the prosecution doesn't have to have a motive, but without a motive, it's awfully hard to prove someone did something. Especially these senseless killings. To prove why hippies would so viciously kill complete strangers, you'd have to have some kind of reason to sell to the jury to connect them.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-78348054488506854682011-05-10T13:45:25.766-04:002011-05-10T13:45:25.766-04:00Okay Bobby, now I'm with ya. LOL.
What is ...Okay Bobby, now I'm with ya. LOL. <br /><br />What is your opinion on this thread? Any thoughts about motive?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-56637257935936230532011-05-10T12:37:26.521-04:002011-05-10T12:37:26.521-04:00Hey Bob!
Great to see ya...Hey Bob!<br /><br />Great to see ya...LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-43230245356863396172011-05-10T10:01:42.561-04:002011-05-10T10:01:42.561-04:00Great post Lynyrd. You made a lot of good points...Great post Lynyrd. You made a lot of good points.<br /><br />I'm sure that whoever was prosecuting this case knew that it was a monumental task getting a conviction of someone who didn't actually kill anyone, and keeps insisting that he had no control of his "family".<br /><br />The behavior of Charlie and the girls was probably the main factor in getting a conviction. I think that without all that weird acting out, the jury might not have bought the HS motive. It was just too bizarre. But it fits with such a bizarre group.<br /><br />The girls were more than ready to take the rap for Charlie at that time, and had they been allowed to testify, they would have. I believe that's why their attorneys refused to let them.<br /><br />But, like you said, if Stovitz had continued on as DA, the outcome might have been very different. We'll never know for sure, as with a lot of aspects of this case.<br /><br />Hi Bobby. I'm not sure I quite understand your comment on that truck. :)katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-31349385730762293252011-05-10T03:37:00.882-04:002011-05-10T03:37:00.882-04:00Mr. Poirot said>>>>
"I do think t...Mr. Poirot said>>>><br />"I do think the bizarre behavior played right into the helter skelter thingy that Bug used".<<<<<br /><br />Bugliosi's entire (HS) case against Manson, hinged around proving Manson was in-charge.<br />Manson's behavior... and the behavior of the "family" collectively... were very damaging, and assisted Bugliosi immensely.<br />Much of their behavior, demonstrated to the jury, that Manson was, in fact, in-charge.<br />So yes... I agree.<br />------------------------------------------<br />Poirot said>>>><br />"I don't think the helter skelter motive was needed to get a conviction. I think the bizarre behavior of the band of defendents and Family members assured conviction.<br />I mean really? Did it even matter what the motive was? They were all guilty as sin and the evidence was overwhelming. The helter skelter thingy merely helped the book become such a huge seller".<<<<<br /><br />I'm curious to see what Stovitz had lined-up for a motive... but no, I don't think HS was necessarily the <i>only</i> motive that could have won convictions for some of them.<br />I think HS was most helpful in Manson's case, as he was tried for conspiracy.<br /><br />Also, bear in mind, Bugliosi was prosecuting several defendents, for several deaths, at more than one location.<br />HS was very handy, in keeping everything under one "umbrella".<br />It's much easier to sell one motive to a jury (which covers everyone) than 2, or more motives.<br /><br />I don't know what motive Stovitz had in mind, so it's difficult to predict, what the outcome would have been.<br />I could only guess at Stovitz' motive, and then guess at an outcome, based on that motive... which is kinda senseless.<br /><br />But you're right Poirot... Manson's behavior, and the behavior of the "family" collectively, would have worked against them, regardless of Stovitz' game plan.<br />Crazy behavior, doesn't help a defense, under any circumstances.<br /><br />As a pure guess, for the sake of discussion... and based on no knowledge of Stovitz' game-plan (LOL)... I would say Manson's conviction is the biggest unknown wildcard.<br />If Stovitz didn't play his cards right, he could have lost that conviction.<br />As for the others... he likely would have convicted them more easily, under a few motives.<br />As I said... that's a pure guess, based on complete conjecture.<br />Without a crystal ball... I don't see how anyone could predict definitively, what Stovitz would have accomplished.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-82179999834347853272011-05-09T23:32:56.161-04:002011-05-09T23:32:56.161-04:00Okay I mispelt "mentalally"
Should be m...Okay I mispelt "mentalally"<br /><br />Should be mentally.<br /><br />I don't want to erase the whole post. HA HA.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-70157568267046420212011-05-09T23:30:33.372-04:002011-05-09T23:30:33.372-04:00Mr. P., I agree with you wholeheartedly.
The whol...Mr. P., I agree with you wholeheartedly.<br /><br />The whole trial was a circus.<br /><br />From Charlie pretending to be held from a "cross" to him jumping on the judge.<br /><br />It was a circus.<br /><br />Bugliosi could have come up with a motive of "non compos mentis" which means "not of sound mind".<br /><br />He could have gotten a conviction on that, except that he had to convict Charie, and he had to prove that Charlie had domination of them all.<br /><br />If Charlie had been convicted as a mentalally ill person, he'd have been out by now.<br /><br />By convicting him of sound mind, it means that he would receive death, or since the death penalty was overturned, he would be in for life, barring paroles.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-63060838322798176132011-05-09T23:02:10.536-04:002011-05-09T23:02:10.536-04:00I don't think the helter skelter motive was ne...I don't think the helter skelter motive was needed to get a conviction. I think the bizarre behavior of the band of defendents and Family members assured conviction. However, I do think the bizarre behavior played right into the helter skelter thingy that Bug used. <br /><br />I mean really? Did it even matter what the motive was? They were all guilty as sin and the evidence was overwhelming. The helter skelter thingy merely helped the book become such a huge seller.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-51942181973077324372011-05-09T21:59:54.558-04:002011-05-09T21:59:54.558-04:00...and the Celtics go down in overtime.
Down 3-1.......and the Celtics go down in overtime.<br /><br />Down 3-1... it's not looking good.<br />They really needed to win tonight.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-73867689743541818102011-05-09T21:39:10.400-04:002011-05-09T21:39:10.400-04:00OVERTIME!... CRAP! LOLOVERTIME!... CRAP! LOLLynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-1412091779646534652011-05-09T20:21:57.297-04:002011-05-09T20:21:57.297-04:00Yeah Saint... I can see it now!
Cool Photo!!!
Is ...Yeah Saint... I can see it now!<br />Cool Photo!!!<br /><br />Is that a special side-line pass around your neck? ...like a "backstage pass"?LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-27483189395156932522011-05-09T19:25:00.808-04:002011-05-09T19:25:00.808-04:00:) That is very good lol
I fixed the profile I th...:) That is very good lol<br /><br />I fixed the profile I think- so you can see the Pic better- if you want to...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-85530800631843604592011-05-09T19:16:38.035-04:002011-05-09T19:16:38.035-04:00LOLOL
I like that one. : )LOLOL<br /><br />I like that one. : )LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-34890228102243691942011-05-09T19:11:32.433-04:002011-05-09T19:11:32.433-04:00St. Circumstance said...
Saint is a transplant lol...St. Circumstance said...<br />Saint is a transplant lol born in Manhattan- grew up near Princeton NJ-<br />[end quote]<br /><br />MR Poirot replies:<br /><br />Here's a joke SC;<br /><br />What is the definition of Princeton University? <br /><br /><br />Answer: a bunch of smart guys pretending they aren't in New Jersey.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-19898536407913184502011-05-09T19:08:18.130-04:002011-05-09T19:08:18.130-04:00The Jets and Yankees... two great teams.
I'm a...The Jets and Yankees... two great teams.<br />I'm actually not too familiar with the Knicks.<br /><br />I always liked that famous photo of Namath on the sidelines (during a snow game) in the fur coat.<br />You probably couldn't get away with that now-a-days... with PETA and all.<br /><br />Jets VS Dolphins on monday night football... Classic match-up!<br />Honestly Saint, I couldn't see your avatar well at all... I wasn't sure what it was.<br />It doesn't blow-up either.<br />Evidently, you have the "don't share profile" button engaged, or something.<br /><br />I've never been a raving Celtics fan, but there is a lot of history in Boston for sure... and I'm particularly interested in seeing them win this year, because our team is really aging.<br />For many of the Celtics players... this is definitely their last shot at a championship.<br />Garnett, Pierce, Allen... those guys are very deserving.<br />They're very hard-working, no-frills, blue-collar players.<br />Like I said... very deserving.<br />I put our chances at 50-50.<br />I also get a kick out of the fact that old, beat-up, always injured, Shaq is on the team. LOL<br />The guy's just a funny dude.<br /><br />Circumstance said>>><br />"The Park and baseball field where Buttermaker got drunk and passed out in the original Bad News Bears is in Chatsworth!!!<br /><br />I WILL drink a beer on that mound next spring lol- and the pic will grace my name on these blogs as soon as I get back"!!!<<<<<br /><br />Cool!<br />That's a factoid, I never knew.<br />I always liked that movie.<br />Talk about an old classic... wow.<br />Have a beer on the mound for me too!LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-49127401694068997552011-05-09T19:03:14.104-04:002011-05-09T19:03:14.104-04:00Stovitz was telling the truth when he said Evelle ...Stovitz was telling the truth when he said Evelle ounger's decision was politcally motivated.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-45257735295556026642011-05-09T18:36:16.606-04:002011-05-09T18:36:16.606-04:00if you notice my new pic on here- it is from Monda...if you notice my new pic on here- it is from Monday night football two years ago when the Jets were here- I had sideline privelages...<br /><br />being on the sideline for MNF jets VS Dolphins - in Miami was a childhood dream I was lucky enough to live out..<br /><br />I am going to do another while on my Manson trip next spring in California lol-<br /><br />DID YOU KNOW... that aside from Spahn Ranch- Chatsworth is famous for a few other things...<br /><br />here is one :<br /><br />The Park and baseball field where Buttermaker got drunk and passed out in the original Bad News Bears is in Chatsworth!!!<br /><br />I WILL drink a beer on that mound next spring lol- and the pic will grace my name on these blogs as soon as I get back!!! <br /><br />:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-2036985902583938892011-05-09T18:29:48.861-04:002011-05-09T18:29:48.861-04:00I like the weather here and no state income tax lo...I like the weather here and no state income tax lol- I can do without the sports teams...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-67321579371744915152011-05-09T18:28:57.699-04:002011-05-09T18:28:57.699-04:00Saint is a transplant lol born in Manhattan- grew ...Saint is a transplant lol born in Manhattan- grew up near Princeton NJ- exit 8 lol<br /><br />I am a Knicks fan- my dad was named Mickey- I was raised on Joe Namath and mickey Mantle...<br /><br />because of that- I cheer for Boston to loose lol- but with respect- and not for the love of Lebron or any Miami nonsense like that..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-52511299606680945822011-05-09T18:25:23.054-04:002011-05-09T18:25:23.054-04:00In other news:
My Boston Celtics are playing Sain...In other news:<br /><br />My Boston Celtics are playing Saint's Miami Heat tonight at the Garden.<br /><br />The Heat are ahead 2-1 in the series.<br />Tonight's Game 4!<br /><br />...and, our nemisis, the LA Lakers, have been eliminated in 4 games straight!<br />Bye, Bye Kobe, Pao, and Phil Jackson! LOL<br />Hope to NOT see you again, next year! : )LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-59619432979089216732011-05-09T17:55:46.033-04:002011-05-09T17:55:46.033-04:00But then again... LOLOL
It would be pretty cool t...But then again... LOLOL<br /><br />It <i>would</i> be pretty cool to hear the old Skynyrd music rocking at Bethel in the summertime... and the Doobie Brothers are pretty cool.<br />Thanks for the heads-up.<br />Maybe, I'll reconsider. : )LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.com