tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post3086752717843828329..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-79712438624785382782022-03-12T06:03:23.824-05:002022-03-12T06:03:23.824-05:00Harold True assisted Charlie by providing him with...Harold True assisted Charlie by providing him with appropriate lawyers details, he then worked along with Phil Kaufman on the release of the LIE album. In my opinion True was working with Manson from almost immediately after his release and provided a communication channel back to Kaufman who was still in jail for another year. To some extent I agree with the previous comment and would say there is some degree of disinformation in the above interview, I don't think True believed that at this stage Charlie had a problem with him. I do believe that later after Charlie was arrested and the dust settled, resentment simmered between Manson and Kaufman/True, they had managed to get off scot free yet were involved with Manson in illegal activity. John Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15408599735232396308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-8758169922872264702021-04-05T12:22:39.221-04:002021-04-05T12:22:39.221-04:00Harold True is a loser who has always been jellous...Harold True is a loser who has always been jellous and scared of Manson.<br />The fact he bowed down to Charlie and then Charlie killed his old neigbours scared the shit out of True.<br />Once Charlie was safely locked up True spent the rest of his life dissing him. Never said dick to him face to face though did he? What a loser. He wished Manson would have let him join the family but he was too much of a sad caseAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14581480161815422600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-22343711350942401162016-04-17T02:11:37.342-04:002016-04-17T02:11:37.342-04:00It's Judy Hanson, she's my aunt.It's Judy Hanson, she's my aunt. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12657394910173214955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-14937175910439099772016-04-17T02:11:24.676-04:002016-04-17T02:11:24.676-04:00It's Judy Hanson, she's my aunt.It's Judy Hanson, she's my aunt. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12657394910173214955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-60856802206220994612012-12-01T22:52:08.615-05:002012-12-01T22:52:08.615-05:00I was thinking that it was Phil Kaufman that Harol...I was thinking that it was Phil Kaufman that Harold picked up at Terminal Island too, when he said he picked up Charlie on PCH, but in this interview, Phil says he got out of prison a year after Charlie did.<br />http://youtu.be/tPcy1zIZGZ0Clara Bowmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18349495425565344088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-76367753086223580832012-09-12T08:29:07.721-04:002012-09-12T08:29:07.721-04:00Its also could be read that Frank Jr was trying to...Its also could be read that Frank Jr was trying to rationalize why his step father for the first time (ie never) left the boat out on the street. He was taking facts and putting them in a rational form. <br /><br /><br /><br />johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-39673779321838482142012-09-11T13:58:58.490-04:002012-09-11T13:58:58.490-04:00The first Labianca police report states Frank felt...The first Labianca police report states Frank felt (the boat on the street) was irregular because his stepfather 'never' left the car and boat out on the street overnight, and goes on to say that he noticed his mother's 1955 Thunderbird parked by the garage and the water skis from the boat were lying on top of the fender. "This indicated to him that his parents arrived home late Saturday night and had taken the skis out of the boat to lessen the risk of theft. They normally would put the boat away the following morning, and this had not been done."Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-61982629787375486362012-09-11T07:51:43.753-04:002012-09-11T07:51:43.753-04:00" revatron said...
I thought it was interest... <br />" revatron said... <br />I thought it was interesting too, that's why I shared it. I knew you'd like it. <br />The way the sentence is set up is really dramatic, and to me feels misleading. It doesn't make Tex innocent of anything."<br /><br />Hey Rev<br />Thanks for thinking of me!<br />it is definitely a 'statement against interest' which makes it something that allows you to give it more credence. <br /><br />All it does is open doors at a time when Tex should be wanting to close doors. He slipped up. <br /><br /><br />johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-22277790689099904802012-09-11T07:47:47.783-04:002012-09-11T07:47:47.783-04:00I agree with Rev, not enough to convince a jury bu...I agree with Rev, not enough to convince a jury but certainly enough to have a reasoned discussion about it. <br /><br />For folks thinking that parking it out on the street is no big deal just take a look at the picture. Look how islolated it is from the house. Given the past break ins that they experienced wouldn't Leno be more likely to want to secure that boat in his driveway versus leaving it out on the street? He drives 150 miles, my money is he drives an extra 90 feet. <br /><br /><br />I'll say this about Leno taking the boat to his mother's house. I doubt it was an option given that she was about to can him for stealing money. If he wanted to talk with mom, he could have done it on Saturday. After all, Leno was suppose to meet with her and others on Sat but he skipped out of town. Leno didn't seem anxious to see her given the direction of the conversation... <br /><br /> johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-3353480819964160342012-09-10T21:15:01.058-04:002012-09-10T21:15:01.058-04:00Either they did'nt move it or they had a reaso... Either they did'nt move it or they had a reason not to mention moving it.<br />I guess.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13702047000467740558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-44853788523972848792012-09-10T20:50:49.392-04:002012-09-10T20:50:49.392-04:00No takers on my last question? LOL
I've aske...No takers on my last question? LOL<br /><br />I've asked it before but no answer.<br /><br />Why did no one mention it?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-88242818094810948712012-09-10T14:59:52.430-04:002012-09-10T14:59:52.430-04:00Well if the boat was in the driveway when they got...Well if the boat was in the driveway when they got there and it was in the street when the police arrived, then somebody moved it. <br /><br />But my question is, why has no one ever mentioned it...ever? They admitted the stabbings and corpse desecration, why not mention moving the boat?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-84950668030462212352012-09-10T11:15:11.451-04:002012-09-10T11:15:11.451-04:00I think that this is my favorite interview regardi...I think that this is my favorite interview regarding the case I have ever heard...<br /><br />I love Harold True... The first time L/S posted this- I played it for months whenever I had the blues..<br /><br />"Can I show you a picture?"- NO!!!<br /><br />I am sure this guy is very strong to himself with his convictions and I am sure this guy cant remember what color drawers he had on yesterday...<br /><br />But if he kept talking- I promise I would have kept listening<br /><br />:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-81850825359265120032012-09-10T10:08:43.837-04:002012-09-10T10:08:43.837-04:00Yes, Kaufman is the guy that burned Gram Parsons b...Yes, Kaufman is the guy that burned Gram Parsons body, he also raised money to produce Manson's album Lie, he also claimed to have had sex with all of Manson's murderesses. <br /><br />I've seen the pic of the LaBianca boat sitting NEAR the driveway. Watson may have simply forgotten exactly where he seen the boat in the years between the murders, and when the book was written. <br /><br />I know several people that when they return from the lake, they don't put the boat in the final storage position. Backing a boat up a driveway can be a pain in the butt, especially in the dark. Leno may have seen a parking space on the street big enough to accommodate the car and the boat, and simply thought "I'll put it away tomorrow". <br /><br />Of course another possibility is the boat was moved. I'm pretty sure there were Manson family members capable of driving an articulated vehicle. I think I read they stole at least 1 semi truck and trailer.sunset77https://www.blogger.com/profile/04041729222425015567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-38894400295061178822012-09-10T10:08:11.533-04:002012-09-10T10:08:11.533-04:00I thought it was interesting too, that's why I...I thought it was interesting too, that's why I shared it. I knew you'd like it. <br />The way the sentence is set up is really dramatic, and to me feels misleading. It doesn't make Tex innocent of anything.<br /><br />These theories lack hard evidence. You wouldn't get a date in the courtroom with any of this.<br /><br />What these theories allege is that these kid (far from master criminals), despite having been caught and punished for murder, have managed to get away with whatever REAL crime it is they committed.<br /><br />The Family hasn't benefited any way, shape, or form from this alleged plot. Only Manson is content in prison. It's the last place the rest of the them want to be.revatronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06445916298681297308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-50482093491442480302012-09-10T06:44:50.469-04:002012-09-10T06:44:50.469-04:00"Johnny, How many times do we know of that Le..."Johnny, How many times do we know of that Leno brought that boat back and didn't park it at Mama's house?<br /><br />And how unusual was it that Leno parked it in the street."<br /><br />Lets ask Frank Jr, he said "NEVER" which would mean that it would be pretty damn unusual. <br /><br />In regards to having parked it at Mama's house, in this instance it doesn't matter as Frank Jr said flat out that Leno "Never' parked on the street. <br /><br />So yeah, pretty unusual per the step son. <br /><br />johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-28313952567080539582012-09-10T06:42:15.298-04:002012-09-10T06:42:15.298-04:00All I can tell ya is that is what the one who live...All I can tell ya is that is what the one who lived in the house said, he 'never' parked the boat out on the street overnight. I don't Leno better than Frank Jr. <br /><br />All I can tell ya is that if you want to call it a habit that's fine. Habits can be pretty damn predictive. Someone drives 150 miles can't be bothered to drive an additional 90 feet? <br /><br />As for Tex, he is all over the place. Sometimes people slip up. Absolutely doesn't help to absolve him to say that the boat was in the driveway. If anything, it raises questions. So it isn't in his interest to have put in the book the boat was in the driveway. Yet in his book it is there. Kind of a statement against interest. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-53239211944807406122012-09-10T00:20:04.237-04:002012-09-10T00:20:04.237-04:00Hey Katie!Hey Katie!revatronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06445916298681297308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-9692100412326587722012-09-09T23:20:08.163-04:002012-09-09T23:20:08.163-04:00Revatron as usual I love your thinking.
Johnny,...Revatron as usual I love your thinking. <br /><br />Johnny, How many times do we know of that Leno brought that boat back and didn't park it at Mama's house?<br /><br />And how unusual was it that Leno parked it in the street.<br /><br />>>>Revatron said: think you're making too much of "Leno the habitual man". We are all creatures of habit, and habits are sometimes broken. Gambling is an addiction. Parking a boat in the driveway is a habit.>>><br /><br /><br />I think sometimes we try to make the smallest thing most infinitesimal and sometimes we overlook the huge stuff.<br /><br />Just my opinion. <br /><br />Night!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-23334661130005022572012-09-09T23:09:19.827-04:002012-09-09T23:09:19.827-04:00Yes, I thought Tex's choice of words were inte...Yes, I thought Tex's choice of words were interesting, but let's not forget that he didn't really write the book, and info related by him to his author may have got mixed up.<br />If he were involved in moving the boat, then this has been kept a well guarded secret for over 40 years - The likelihood that he revealed a portion of this alleged plot in one sentence of his book is slim.<br />It feels to me that he is being misleading.<br /><br />What again (according to this theory) was the point of moving the boat?<br /><br />I think you're making too much of "Leno the habitual man". We are all creatures of habit, and habits are sometimes broken. Gambling is an addiction. Parking a boat in the driveway is a habit.revatronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06445916298681297308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-56019901513372349002012-09-09T22:47:48.339-04:002012-09-09T22:47:48.339-04:00"Good question Johnny. Why would someone move..."Good question Johnny. Why would someone move it? What would the reason be. It would have to have been moved after the murders...but why?<br /><br />But remember that the boat was usually parked at Mama LaBianca's house, so how do you account for that? Just wondering...."<br /><br />but when not parked at mama labianca's house it was home at Leno's, up in his driveway. just like Frank Jr says he always parked it. never leaving it on the street. <br /><br />hey take care. i'll be spotty this week. <br /><br /><br />as to why the car was moved, Shreck offers a plausible explanation.johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-81599516675780032122012-09-09T22:38:22.312-04:002012-09-09T22:38:22.312-04:00Johnny, I'm really tired, and I'm heading ...Johnny, I'm really tired, and I'm heading south.<br /><br />If you reply and I don't answer, please don't take offense. I'll get with you some time tomorrow.<br /><br />I've got a lot of work to do so I'll reply when I can. I'm not ignoring you. :)<br /><br />Night!!!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-14168257395855623412012-09-09T22:26:34.640-04:002012-09-09T22:26:34.640-04:00>>>Johnny said: Just ask yourself, if Le...>>>Johnny said: Just ask yourself, if Leno did follow his normal routine when he brought the boat to his house and somebody moved it I wonder who moved it? And why?>>><br /><br />Good question Johnny. Why would someone move it? What would the reason be. It would have to have been moved after the murders...but why?<br /><br />But remember that the boat was usually parked at Mama LaBianca's house, so how do you account for that? Just wondering....katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-31649017340627728472012-09-09T22:18:46.149-04:002012-09-09T22:18:46.149-04:00" katie8753 said...
Revatron, either Tex was ..." katie8753 said...<br />Revatron, either Tex was lying or somebody moved that boat out of the driveway to the street.<br /><br />Because the pictures on Sunday, August 11th, 1969, clearly show the TB and boat in the street.<br /><br />I think that Tex was lying. I'm sure that isn't a surprise."<br /><br /><br />Frank Jr in the initial police report is unequivocal when he says 'never' in this statement to the police.<br /><br />"On August 10, 1969, at approximately 2030 hours, Frank Struthers, Jr. was driven home from Lake Isabella by the Saffie family and dropped off in front of 3301 Waverly Drive, his home. He noticed that the family car, a 1968 Thunderbird, was parked on the street directly west of the house, and that the speed boat was still attached to the car. He felt this was irregular because his stepfather, Leno LaBianca, never left the car and speedboat out on the street overnight." <br /><br />So you got Tex saying the boat was in the driveway (goof up, eh?) and the step son saying that Leno would have parked it there because he NEVER left the car out on the street overnight. Later Frank says that for sure by the morning Leno would have parked the boat in the driveway (of course, at that point Leno was dead) and Frank was trying to make sense as to why the ski's were in the garage but the boat was still out on the street. <br /><br />To believe that he didn't follow his normal habit (recall Frank Jr said 'never') is to say that this habitual man --had to get his racing form at 1 am-- would drive 150 miles but not an additional 90 feet up the driveway because he was too tired. But not too tired to lug the skis up the driveway. <br /><br />Just ask yourself, if Leno did follow his normal routine when he brought the boat to his house and somebody moved it I wonder who moved it? And why?johnnyseattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315694616360383693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-33754435179698378852012-09-09T21:41:28.898-04:002012-09-09T21:41:28.898-04:00Johnny, I listened to the second vid you suggested...Johnny, I listened to the second vid you suggested. Boy how did that guy eat with that "stache". LOL.<br /><br />Maybe Phil Kaufman's lying. Do we have records when he got out?<br /><br />Isn't this the guy that stole Gram Parson's body and burned it at Joshua Tree?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.com