tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post2999342360323374159..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: MARTHA WATKINSUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-2562995427577416422012-08-10T06:19:14.162-04:002012-08-10T06:19:14.162-04:00LYNYRD!!!! xLYNYRD!!!! xalicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00075590301658119688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-39487021270315769202012-08-09T20:04:38.683-04:002012-08-09T20:04:38.683-04:00ALICE!!!!!!!!!ALICE!!!!!!!!!LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-21847413420681441322012-08-09T17:24:33.789-04:002012-08-09T17:24:33.789-04:00Hi Alice.
Thanks! That was interesting!Hi Alice.<br /><br />Thanks! That was interesting!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-9916932817333221652012-08-09T16:46:22.340-04:002012-08-09T16:46:22.340-04:00I'm sure you've seen this but just in case...I'm sure you've seen this but just in case you haven't:<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/bty89rsalicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00075590301658119688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-2219764139954173442012-08-09T13:24:25.943-04:002012-08-09T13:24:25.943-04:00I wonder if people on LSD remember what they said....I wonder if people on LSD remember what they said....katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-33123904683812573862012-08-08T22:29:11.921-04:002012-08-08T22:29:11.921-04:00Another thread topic : was Patricia Krenwinkle too...Another thread topic : was Patricia Krenwinkle too ugly to be a Manson girl?MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-2542369127054456552012-08-08T22:25:31.856-04:002012-08-08T22:25:31.856-04:00Some don't think Helter Skelter makes sense. I...Some don't think Helter Skelter makes sense. I don;t think Pat being chosen makes sense. Yet they went and woke her up and ordered her to go. She could have said she was too tired. I guess it's just me. I always wondered about why Pat went to Cielo out of a deep sleep,MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-19913235462333154582012-08-08T22:17:04.509-04:002012-08-08T22:17:04.509-04:00Mr. P., why did Charlie choose Pat? That's an...Mr. P., why did Charlie choose Pat? That's another thread. LOL.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-33104374296359488952012-08-08T22:11:31.748-04:002012-08-08T22:11:31.748-04:00I have always been amazed that Patricia Krenwinkle...I have always been amazed that Patricia Krenwinkle was asleep but was woken up and asked to go kill people. Krenwinkle was sleeping off an acid hangover from the night before when asked to go kill. It is Krenwinkle's participation that amazes me. Why did Charlie go wake her up to go kill?MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-23725680616126187652012-08-08T22:04:57.558-04:002012-08-08T22:04:57.558-04:00The racewar motive is more believable then than no...The racewar motive is more believable then than now in LA. There's only been 3 or 4 massive race riots in LA since 67. One of the reasons OJ got off was because the powers that be wanted to avoid another race riot in LA.<br />Charlie's plan for Helter Skelter didn't work because Charlie isn't black. If Charlie were black then there would have been a massive riot when he was convicted and sentenced to death.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-90932087542721084012012-08-08T21:43:05.979-04:002012-08-08T21:43:05.979-04:00On a side note, I watched a video on Liz's blo...On a side note, I watched a video on Liz's blog today about an LSD experiment in the 50's, whereby a "normal housewife" was given LSD.<br /><br />Her reaction was astounding! She was completely incoherent, grabbing at invisible things, ducking invisible things, talking about "seeing in color" and in watching this, I completely understand why these kids were completely mesmerized by Manson.<br /><br />Pat said in an interview that "we took 100's of trips" on acid. It wouldn't be hard at all to implant memories or new facts into someone's brain who was tripping on this stuff.<br /><br />I understand it more now.....katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-33947840556461496682012-08-08T21:09:24.752-04:002012-08-08T21:09:24.752-04:00A lot of people like to say that Bugliosi made up ...A lot of people like to say that Bugliosi made up the Helter Skelter motive.<br /><br />On this blog, we have reiterated again and again that Bugliosi used that motive as a tool to convict Charlie. A smart move on his part.<br /><br />He could have used the "cult leader was pissed off" motive, or as Carol points out..no motive at all.<br /><br />In this particular case, there needed to be a motive, because otherwise it just didn't make any sense. And it still doesn't.<br /><br />How can you convict a man who didn't actually kill people, but ordered it, without some kind of motive?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-56949177994344984522012-08-08T20:53:35.463-04:002012-08-08T20:53:35.463-04:00Well it's August 8th, the 43rd anniversary of ...Well it's August 8th, the 43rd anniversary of the TLB murders.<br /><br />We have the original version of what happened that night, according to Tex, Sadie, Pat & Linda.<br /><br />According to Tex, Charlie took him out front and told him to go to "the house where Melcher used to live and kill everyone there. Get $600 and if you don't get that much, go to the next house and the next house until you get it."<br /><br />According to Tex, Charlie & all the girls, Charlie told the girls "go with Tex and do whatever Tex says".<br /><br />Now we have the new version with this guy named Schreck, who doesn't seem to be able to even sell his book in this country, and from I've read, can't back any of this up:<br /><br />Note: I haven't read this book. I most likely won't shell out the money to buy it. These are excerpts courtesy of Star City Radio:<br /><br /><i>"Rostau was supposed to have brought Sebring some LSD with <br />him too that August night. But his own acid connection - who <br />sold her goods from a dress shop that served as a front - was <br />out of town on a boating trip until the next day. Bad news for <br />Sebring - a young pusher from Texas was due to make a pick <br />up at Cielo around midnight."</i><br /><br />If he's referring to <b>Rosemary</b>, she didn't leave for Lake Isabella until the next day, August 9th. He's wrong about that. Unless there's another "lady with a dress shop" he's referring to.<br /><br /><i>"The Texan, Charles Watson, who <br />sometimes hung out with some hippies at a ranch in nearby <br />Chatsworth, had called Sebring earlier that day to arrange to <br />score some $20,000 worth of the syndicate acid, mescaline <br />and coke Rostau was to have delivered."</i><br /><br />There's no indication of Tex having called Jay...not at his home, his office or Cielo Drive.<br /><br /><i>"Included in the deal <br />was a new batch of the experiemental <b>(mispelled word - sic)</b> drug MDA handled by <br />Frykowski. And now Sebring only had some of the merchandise he'd promised.<br /><br />Watson showed up at the appointed time, soaring on speed. <br />Since he was planning to rob - rather than purchase - the dope <br />he'd ordered from Sebring and Frykowski, he brought a gun <br />and a knife with him. A barefoot hippie girl named Sadie came <br />along for the ride. She was sky-high on methedrine too. Two <br />of their companions, also armed, waited outside the house as <br />backup, in case the deal floundered."</i><br /><br />Well folks, you can believe it or not. I personally don't believe the new version. Tex Watson went to Cielo Drive on orders from Charles Manson. He even said when he got through "It sure was Helter Skelter".<br /><br />Paul Watkins also testified that Charlie talked about Helter <br />Skelter.<br /><br />It's easy to make up new stories without any facts....katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-55916713999905275602012-08-08T17:49:38.887-04:002012-08-08T17:49:38.887-04:00Well... here we are... "Anniversary time"...<b>Well... here we are... "Anniversary time".<br /><br />The "TLB Anniversary", that is.<br /><br />I have nothing planned "as such" (LOL) this year.<br /><br />But...<br />Whenever this time of year comes around, I always have one thought.<br /><br />I always wonder if Manson, Leslie, Tex, Pat or any of the others... do a whole lot of thinking about what went down on those nights.<br />Do they still remember the anniversary of these murders?<br />And, if they do reflect... what exactly are they thinking?<br /><br />That's the same thought I have, year after year, in August.<br /><br />I don't so much think of the events myself much... but, I wonder who (if anyone else) is remembering.<br /><br />Is Manson squatting on a wooden bench in his cell, like a litte gnome... with his wheels turning?<br />Or... is he mindlessly weaving a spider, or taking a nap?<br /><br />I need Leary to bring these concepts to life! LOL</b>LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-58913358738103038682012-08-08T17:12:07.357-04:002012-08-08T17:12:07.357-04:00Paul's book is one of the better reads of all ...Paul's book is one of the better reads of all the Manson books.<br />Manson himself said Paul was a runaway who would just not go home even though he hsd one to go top. Paul had the good sense to leave Charlie in May of 69 and move to Barker Ranch with Crockett and Poston. Tex had stated in court that the drug usage at Spahn Ranch increased a lot after Paul left the scene in May and the murders in August. There is no doubt that Paul saw an evil escalation in Charlie's nightly sermons which was the reason Paul left Spahn's. Why some members left and others stayed is a mystery. It was the difference between prison and freedom.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-58966434928947652352012-08-08T14:14:31.602-04:002012-08-08T14:14:31.602-04:00Hi Fiona. Thanks for sharing your memories about ...Hi Fiona. Thanks for sharing your memories about your pet. They can be just like family. :)<br /><br />Thanks for the link Lynn! I'll read thru it when I get a chance. I don't know a whole lot about Paul, but I thought he was the "cute hippy". LOL.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-73573749917685801882012-08-08T13:29:33.237-04:002012-08-08T13:29:33.237-04:00Paul Watkins had a beautiful family.
It's too ...Paul Watkins had a beautiful family.<br />It's too bad, he died so young.<br />I'm glad his daughter is doing well as a writer.<br /><br />By most accounts, Paul was a smart and talented guy.<br />It seems, his daughter is pretty sharp too.<br /><br />Paul sometimes takes flack on the boards... but, I have no hate for Paul.<br /><br />I think he was a decent guy... who did what he thought, was right.<br />Perception is 9/10's of reality.<br />I think he related things, as he understood them.<br />I really enjoyed that interview Paul did (just before his death) on the dangers of peer pressure, group mentality and personal compulsion.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-55815622448415730492012-08-08T13:21:03.055-04:002012-08-08T13:21:03.055-04:00Hi Fiona!
Thanks for sharing your story with us.
...Hi Fiona!<br /><br />Thanks for sharing your story with us.<br /><br />Sounds like your dog was awesome! : )<br /><br />Best Regards...LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-67408774655692368632012-08-08T13:05:00.042-04:002012-08-08T13:05:00.042-04:00Used to have a dog of personality like this, he wa...Used to have a dog of personality like this, he was also a champion jumper. He was just so full of life. A crazy scruffy black dog always pulling the leash to full stretch, going at every single thing full-tilt. I loved the way people would come walking along looking careworn and worried, and then they would see Scruffs and they couldn't help it, they'd start to shake their heads and laugh, you couldn't help but feel cheered up by this huge bundle of scruffy fur and energy. What fun this dog was and also what trouble he could get into. Marley and me is nothing in comparison. It is great that you had such a dog, these are good memories forever.fiona1933https://www.blogger.com/profile/00041216158548547908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-7850214039412705312012-08-08T12:55:09.335-04:002012-08-08T12:55:09.335-04:00Damn...
Parts of that story, are very sad.Damn...<br />Parts of that story, are very sad.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.com