tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post2832858628479173473..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-42262629972974755682019-09-12T03:07:43.112-04:002019-09-12T03:07:43.112-04:00I thought about this also and the only thing i can...I thought about this also and the only thing i can think of is that may have thought the motive was burglary, not really knowing their true intentions was to murder them... apparently they did ask for money...maybe the victims initially thought it was better to be compliant for their chance of survival but quickly realizing too late when shit started going down that it wasn't just a burglary situation .... factor in the murderers all had weapons on them and the victims did not.... also if there had been heavy drinking at El Coyote as depicted than it would have made it that much easier to over power them ...Sharon was also pregnant ... she probably really believed they might spare her because of that...i don't include Sharon in the drinking alcohol at the restaurant but her friends....final point... hard to do but think of the amount of time the gruesome acts were committed...the victims didn't have the luxury of time to theorize escape plans or have a lot of time to even devise a plan of escape...it was chaos and they were probably scared shitless and they probably couldn't know for sure how many manson people were actually there during it that it might have influenced/intensified their fear and prevented them in trying to escape.... i hope that makes sense...caryntarynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08502875304129162245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-30774801380919928672012-01-14T16:18:14.987-05:002012-01-14T16:18:14.987-05:00I just read a post where someone said if Roman woo...I just read a post where someone said if Roman woould have been home om 8/9/69 Sharon might still be alive. I dont understand this view. Really? Jay was a blackbelt in karate and trained with Bruce Lee some, so if he couldnt stop it how would Roman? Ive never understood when Susan went into Sharons room and told her and Jay to go into the living room, why Jay didnt just woop her ass right then? Same goes for Voytek and Leno, why didnt they fight instead of dying?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-49808557635523520622011-09-30T14:52:03.345-04:002011-09-30T14:52:03.345-04:00Yeah Venus, it's easy to blame bad behavior on...Yeah Venus, it's easy to blame bad behavior on childhood trauma. We've turned into a nation of wussies when it comes to playing the "blame game". LOL.<br /><br />It is funny how he's always in the middle.<br /><br />You know what else is funny? When you see pictures of Sharon and Roman together, they're usually staged so that she's on a step below him or slumping or leaning to make him appear taller. <br /><br />He had the "little man complex". HA HA.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-24502011002079108852011-09-30T14:17:26.588-04:002011-09-30T14:17:26.588-04:00I thin it's funny that, in the few pics of the...I thin it's funny that, in the few pics of the 3 of them together, Roman is always front and center.Venushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510083489728391657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-33810830684863995222011-09-30T13:44:53.987-04:002011-09-30T13:44:53.987-04:00There are many people who have horrible childhoods...There are many people who have horrible childhoods but they don't use that as an excuse to have sex with children. While Roman had several tragedies in his life, his behavior seemed to be the same no matter what the era. He had sex with this kid several years after the murders. How could that be related? He made no secret of the fact that he loved young girls and I do wonder how many others are out there. I think Katie was right when she said he used it as an excuse for his bad behavior.Venushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510083489728391657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-6101457199165219942011-09-30T10:57:05.291-04:002011-09-30T10:57:05.291-04:00Starship, Roman did have a very hard upbringing. ...Starship, Roman did have a very hard upbringing. Much harder than Charles Manson could even imagine. I'm not about to even try to say how that must feel, because I have no idea at all.<br /><br />But I do think he used all that suffering in his early years as an excuse for his bad behavior.<br /><br />He even said in an interview once that "because of the Holocaust, I relieve my pain with sex."<br /><br />To me, that's just an excuse to get off.<br /><br />I have to say though that he is a brilliant director. In particular, the movie "The Pianist". I'm assuming the musical score was under his control, and his choice of Chopin's pieces was excellent, including ending the movie with the Grande Polonaise Brillante in E Flat Major. <br /><br />Most excellent choice! :)katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-58116219245556505242011-09-30T09:31:40.196-04:002011-09-30T09:31:40.196-04:00Although I find Roman Polanski to be a completely ...Although I find Roman Polanski to be a completely wierd dude, I find it hard to, if not really sympathize with him then at least not hate him with the vitriol of some of the people here on this blog and others.<br /><br />A holocaust survivor who lost his mother in the ghetto...<br /><br />A husband who lost his wife and unborn child in one of the most heinous crimes ever...<br /><br />His actions with Samantha Geimer are reprehensible, but I also believe it shows him suffering from serious mental depression and anguish...<br /><br />I often wondered if he has found peace and happiness in his later years...he has a wife and I believe two daughters. Has that fulfilled him? How is he as a father to his children? It is in that that I think we may be able to judge how he has 'healed' as a human being.<br /><br />Perhaps these questions may be answered after his death and if his wife and children decide to go public, write a memoir, etc.starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-92074974418201530742011-09-30T08:31:00.734-04:002011-09-30T08:31:00.734-04:00>>>Carol said: I agree. He should have b...>>>Carol said: I agree. He should have been home with his wife. I don't know if that would have prevented the murders, but it might have.>>><br /><br />I guess what I meant was if he had taken care of her like he should have, she wouldn't have been associating with Voytek & Gibby with him gallivanting around Europe. They would have been together. Which also might have kept Jay & Sharon from having so much "alone time" together. I just don't think he cared that much about her.<br /><br />>>>The guy pleaded guilty. He said, "I did it." How is that not his fault?>>><br /><br />I totally agree. How could it have been anyone's fault but his? For Polanski to blame anyone else is ridiculous. It's like his blaming everyone else for Sharon's death. Why not look in the mirror and take some responsibility.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-15722994033287482712011-09-30T00:53:58.413-04:002011-09-30T00:53:58.413-04:00I just read this on the gossip site www.crazydaysa...I just read this on the gossip site www.crazydaysandnights.net:<br /><br />"Last night Roman Polanski got a standing ovation at the Zurich Film Festival. It is the same festival he was on his way to attend two years ago when Swiss police arrested him and then held him for 8 months before finally agreeing he could not be extradited to the United States. While under house arrest, Roman found the time to make a documentary about his life and included in that documentary is a discussion of the events surrounding his conviction for having unlawful sex with a minor. He basically says that it was not his fault and he blames the American judicial system for his conviction. The guy pleaded guilty. He said, "I did it." How is that not his fault? He did apologize to the woman he assaulted who was 13 at the time. Think about that. She was 13 years old. How would you like your 13 year old daughter to have sex with an old man and then blame it on her and everyone else but himself. Oh, and you know he was having sex with way more than just this one teen. She is just the only one who had the guts to come forward against a powerful Hollywood director."CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-48466515595575785102011-09-29T23:04:57.780-04:002011-09-29T23:04:57.780-04:00"I have a feeling that if he had really cared..."I have a feeling that if he had really cared about Sharon and took care of her like he should have, she would still be alive, along with baby Paul." - katie<br /><br />I agree. He should have been home with his wife. I don't know if that would have prevented the murders, but it might have.<br /><br />Venus, I was under the impression that Sharon was still engaged to Jay when she left for London to make THE FEARLESS VAMPIRE KILLERS. She fell madly in love with Roman and broke her engagement to Jay. Jay then flew to London to make sure Roman was worthy of Sharon.CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-65945718927203153782011-09-29T22:36:51.685-04:002011-09-29T22:36:51.685-04:00Venus, I'm not sure who ended Jay's and Sh...Venus, I'm not sure who ended Jay's and Sharon's engagement. But I have a feeling that Sharon did.<br /><br />The reason I say that is because if he had ended it, he would have moved on.<br /><br />I've read Roman's words that "he didn't want a housewife", and that he wanted her to keep working.<br /><br />I'm sure it's because he wanted some more income coming in.<br /><br />I don't understand Debra's closeness to Roman or his new wife either. It's another slap in Sharon's face. But then....I don't understand Debra at all.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-68402838150110373312011-09-29T20:30:07.594-04:002011-09-29T20:30:07.594-04:00Carol and Katie, I've never seen Roman's p...Carol and Katie, I've never seen Roman's press conference claiming that Sharon wanted to get married in the Catholic church eventually. It certainly could be true, but I think it seems like Roman can change things around to suit him.<br /><br />I don't understand the closeness (if it's true) between Debra and Roman and his family. Are they genuinely close or is this more of a publicity thing? Debra and Emmanuelle were hand in hand during Roman's legal troubles a couple of years ago. Was it real or just for show?<br /><br />It does seem like Roman has settled down and is happy. Maybe he waited until the time was right for him to do so. He shouldn't have married Sharon when he was not ready for it. Who knows how different their lives could've been?<br /><br />As for whether or not Sharon would've maried Jay, we'll certainly never know. They definitely had a bond and I'm sure they would've remained close, no matter what might've happened in their lives.<br /><br />I wonder if it's true that she didn't want to marry Jay. She said that after she was with Roman. She and Jay were supposedly engaged so they must've been making plans for the future. It's pretty weird that she claimed that she didn't want to get married because she would've given up her career after her marriage, but when she married Roman, she continued to work because he didn't want a "housewife." Was that her decision or his? <br /><br />When she and Jay first started dating, he was still married although he wa sin the process of getting a divorce. I wonder if he really wanted to get remarried that quickly?Venushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510083489728391657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-19743856766909113632011-09-29T18:13:12.916-04:002011-09-29T18:13:12.916-04:00>>>Carol said: From everything I've ...>>>Carol said: From everything I've heard and read about him, he is crazy about his third wife, has been faithful, and is an adoring father. I'm glad he's changed. I wish he could have been this way with Sharon.>>><br /><br />I have a feeling that if he had really cared about Sharon and took care of her like he should have, she would still be alive, along with baby Paul.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-24891860912623792212011-09-29T14:13:42.366-04:002011-09-29T14:13:42.366-04:00"Carol I think you're dreaming." - k..."Carol I think you're dreaming." - katie<br /><br />Well, I know I'm not dreaming about the press conference I saw! I know what you mean, katie. I actually agree with you that Roman didn't care too much about Sharon's feelings. I assume he said what he did at that press conference because...well, maybe to make it appear that Sharon's feelings were important to him. I don't know. Roman is a strange duck. I think age has mellowed him. From everything I've heard and read about him, he is crazy about his third wife, has been faithful, and is an adoring father. I'm glad he's changed. I wish he could have been this way with Sharon.CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-72036807012783570802011-09-28T23:49:16.814-04:002011-09-28T23:49:16.814-04:00Carol I think you're dreaming.
Roman didn'...Carol I think you're dreaming.<br /><br />Roman didn't give 2 shits about Sharon's feelings. Nor did he care about her parents' feelings. <br /><br />All he cared about was himself.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-22664522152330302872011-09-28T21:55:47.618-04:002011-09-28T21:55:47.618-04:00Venus, I've never understood why Sharon's ...Venus, I've never understood why Sharon's family did not attend her wedding. This was their beautiful eldest daughter getting married! Roman and Sharon certainly could have flown them to London for the ceremony. Very strange. I don't think anyone has ever addressed this, not even Greg King. katie, I remember seeing Roman on TV at a press conference shortly after Sharon's funeral and he said that she eventually wanted to get married in the Catholic Church. He didn't care to, but he was willing to do it to make her happy. Who knows if that would have ever happened?CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-48332217525664313632011-09-28T20:15:51.515-04:002011-09-28T20:15:51.515-04:00Venus, I don't think Roman was interested in m...Venus, I don't think Roman was interested in marrying in a Catholic church. He just wanted a "quickie mod ceremony" and Sharon went along with it.<br /><br />I don't think it was guilt about infidelity that made him crumble at Sharon's funeral. He didn't feel any guilt while she was alive.<br /><br />I really think that if Sharon had lived she would have left him. Now whether she would have married Jay, I don't know. She didn't want to marry him the first time.<br /><br />I wonder about Roman's life after Sharon was killed. He remarried and had a couple of kids. Does he still screw around on this wife? Does he even like those kids? I don't know.<br /><br />I can't believe that Debra has kept up with Roman after all that happened. I've seen pictures of her with his new wife, like they're BFF's.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-37881197344187579032011-09-28T14:31:13.362-04:002011-09-28T14:31:13.362-04:00Yes, I remember Roman sayiing that about why they ...Yes, I remember Roman sayiing that about why they got married. It was just a cop-out, an excuse. it's like he was saying "this is what she wanted so now she's stuck with it." As far as her Catholic mentality, doesn't it strike anyone as pretty weird that NO ONE from her family attended her wedding which was a civil ceremony. They could've gotten married in the Catholic church, it's possible.<br /><br />I don't know if Jay could've been the father or not. It wouldn't have been determined until after the baby was born. If he was, it sure would've explained a lot such as Roman's lack of excitement about the baby.<br /><br />One of my friend's once said, "Even if Jay wasn't the father of the baby, he would've ended up being the daddy." Now, maybe she meant that they would've ended up getting married or just that Jay would've stepped in and been the one to take the kid to things like his first baseball game.<br /><br />I have no idea where Sharon was in December of 1968, but I'm guessing she was in Los Angeles because I've never heard of her being elsewhere during that time period. I wonder if she spent the holidays with her parents?Venushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510083489728391657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-56733723012617644412011-09-27T23:10:31.493-04:002011-09-27T23:10:31.493-04:00Venus, I guess I was implying that Jay may be the ...Venus, I guess I was implying that Jay may be the father of Sharon's baby. But, truth be told, I think that's a huge leap. For one thing, I think Jay would have insisted that Sharon leave Roman if he, Jay, were indeed the daddy. But, as you and others have said, it would explain a lot if Jay were the baby's father. As for why Roman got married (his second marriage BTW), in his autobiography, Roman by Polanski, he said that Sharon was very Catholic when it came to marriage. She was tired of living together withuot benefit of marriage and he didn't want to lose her. I read his book many years ago, but that's the way I remember it.CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-37084755453084577792011-09-27T20:55:25.531-04:002011-09-27T20:55:25.531-04:00Venus, I don't think Roman would have changed....Venus, I don't think Roman would have changed. A leopard doesn't change its spots. <br /><br />I think that Sharon had definitely decided to get out of the whacky world of a polish director.<br /><br />Unlike Roman, she was crazy about parenthood. She was thinking of nothing but that. I don't think she would have allowed that lurid world to affect her baby. <br /><br />As far as the baby being Jay's....I don't know how she or he would have known that without a paternity test. Unless she wasn't having sex with Roman around December of 1968 and she was having sex with Jay.<br /><br />Where were they in December of 1968 anyway??? Europe?katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-1876640406778634292011-09-27T20:03:59.821-04:002011-09-27T20:03:59.821-04:00Let me try this again. I have no idea why Roman w...Let me try this again. I have no idea why Roman would get married since he had no plan to change his way of life. I think Sharon became more mature with her pregnancy and started thinking about the future. Did she want to raise a baby in that sort of situation? I don't think it's something that most women would want to do, if only for the reason that it sets a bad example for the child. I wish we could see into the future that might've been, would she have kicked him to the curb or would he have stepped up to the plate with the baby's arrival? I'm betting it would be the former. She had to know that everyone knew he was cheating on her and this made her look foolish for tolerating it.<br /><br />As for the story about Jay revealing her pregnancy to her parents, I've heard it too. It doesn't seem to make much sense as this was her first pregnancy and their first grandchild. You'd think she would've wanted to tell it to them. <br /><br />I think I know where CarolMR is going with this. There have been rumors that Jay might've been the father of the baby. One example is that Kirk Douglas said this in his autobiography many years ago. I'm certainly not saying that it's true, but it definitely would explain a lot.Venushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510083489728391657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-72936035786098943002011-09-27T19:55:05.009-04:002011-09-27T19:55:05.009-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Venushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510083489728391657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-67165670104520346362011-09-27T17:50:28.927-04:002011-09-27T17:50:28.927-04:00>>>sbuch said: I found it also very odd ...>>>sbuch said: I found it also very odd that the name of one of the victims the following night was Rosemary.<br />Rosemary is not a common name.<br />What are the odds?>>><br /><br />That is odd. I didn't think of that. <br /><br />>>>Carol said: Didn't Jay tell Sharon's parents that she was pregnant? Why wouldn't she - and Roman - tell them?>>><br /><br />Carol I hadn't heard that. I would think that Sharon would be overjoyed to tell her parents that. I do know that she hid her pregnancy from Roman for a few months because she was afraid he'd insist that she get an abortion. Maybe she confided to Jay that she was pregnant and he blabbed it before she could tell her parents.<br /><br />I really don't know.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-81376658869139064612011-09-27T16:43:37.667-04:002011-09-27T16:43:37.667-04:00Maybe Venus or katie knows the answer to this: Di...Maybe Venus or katie knows the answer to this: Didn't Jay tell Sharon's parents that she was pregnant? Why wouldn't she - and Roman - tell them? I always thought that was strange (if it's true). Please forgive me if this has already been discussed.CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-54055733709686946742011-09-27T16:19:50.785-04:002011-09-27T16:19:50.785-04:00Katie......
I agree, Roman appeared to mourn for S...Katie......<br />I agree, Roman appeared to mourn for Sharon and the others but didn't seem in grief over the loss of his infant son.<br />It's not like he found out she was pregnant a week before the murders........she could have had that baby any minute.<br />He was standing at the door of fatherhood.<br />It just seems strange.<br /><br />Then there's the wierd parallels with Rosemary's Baby.<br />The plot of the movie being a struggling actor sacrificing his wife/baby for success.<br />Coincidence? Probably.....but after years of intrique with this case, I still wonder.<br /><br />I found it also very odd that the name of one of the victims the following night was Rosemary.<br />Rosemary is not a common name.<br />What are the odds?sbuch113https://www.blogger.com/profile/01794368422535955408noreply@blogger.com