tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post236450055366818248..comments2024-03-19T21:34:44.985-04:00Comments on The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-1036273895116019342011-05-21T17:23:29.745-04:002011-05-21T17:23:29.745-04:00>>>Marliese said: Katie, very true, so m...>>>Marliese said: Katie, very true, so many opinions, many recasting the killers as martyrs and victims. Charlie Manson and his neglectful childhood, ain't it awful. Please.>>><br /><br />I know. It's ad nauseum!<br /><br />>>>Then there's Rosemary Labianca, the drug dealer. Show me the evidence! Because she made money? Not factual enough. >>><br /><br />I don't know where someone came up with Rosemary being a drug dealer. What nonsense.<br /><br />Just like so many other theories that have no basis in reality!!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-33735742747330742011-05-21T12:41:57.356-04:002011-05-21T12:41:57.356-04:00Hi Mary, i know what you meant about LA. :) I get...Hi Mary, i know what you meant about LA. :) I get defensive about LA because I love it so much. I love the comfort of the sun and the bountiful four growing seasons. i love being an hour away from the snow, the desert, the ocean, the mountains, the smell of Eucalyptus and orange blossoms and best of all, the amazing people that live here. There's someone close to everyone's home never far away.Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-14255586451597901652011-05-21T12:24:11.993-04:002011-05-21T12:24:11.993-04:00Katie, very true, so many opinions, many recasting...Katie, very true, so many opinions, many recasting the killers as martyrs and victims. Charlie Manson and his neglectful childhood, ain't it awful. Please. <br /><br />Then there's Rosemary Labianca, the drug dealer. Show me the evidence! Because she made money? Not factual enough. Sharon Tate and her baby, collateral damage, as in indirectly and unintentional. "look bitch, I don't care if you're gonna have a baby, you're gonna die and you better be ready" doesn't sound indirectly to me, does it to you? :)Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-40328266249644952782011-05-20T19:17:31.486-04:002011-05-20T19:17:31.486-04:00It's amazing how after almost 42 years, we sti...It's amazing how after almost 42 years, we still don't know the motives for any of these crimes.<br /><br />We all have an opinion though! :)katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-76452239945872212632011-05-20T17:39:52.066-04:002011-05-20T17:39:52.066-04:00Marliese said " I'm an Angeleno, transpla...Marliese said " I'm an Angeleno, transplanted from NY a hundred years ago, and love LA! Los Angeles has truly been the City of Angels for me; we're not all media whores...you can be anything you want to be in LA. :)"<br /><br />LOL! I thought about that after I pushed publish...I probably shouldn't have categorized an entire city based on what I see and hear on TV. I have family that lives in the LA area and they love it too! I am much more of a San Francisco kinda gal...love, love, love that city!Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00969382265842883948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-61754951394048014692011-05-20T16:53:53.645-04:002011-05-20T16:53:53.645-04:00Absolutely, Mr. Poirot, no shortage of motives. I...Absolutely, Mr. Poirot, no shortage of motives. I don't think the girls knew, other than Van Houten believing we have to do something to get bobby out. Since there won't ever be any snitching from those that do know, we'll likely never know the whole truth and nothing but the truth.<br /><br />Sorry for the delete earlier, Lynyrd. Only way I could edit a big typo was to delete and republish. :)Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-87121244212524626242011-05-20T16:38:03.079-04:002011-05-20T16:38:03.079-04:00Mary, hi, I'm an Angeleno, transplanted from N...Mary, hi, I'm an Angeleno, transplanted from NY a hundred years ago, and love LA! Los Angeles has truly been the City of Angels for me; we're not all media whores...you can be anything you want to be in LA. :)<br /><br />You're brave to ask about Bugliosi. I can't speak for anyone else, but from what I've read like everyone else, it's his obsessive control and insistence on the 'igniting HS' motive. And then there's the ongoing obscene amount of money he's made off the case, as well as the hypocrisy in his personal life...he was apparently investigated for an alleged assault in an alleged domestic violence attack, but it was dropped when the alleged victim refused to cooperate. Not clear on the details there. <br /><br />I think the biggest thing though, regardless that he didn't have to prove motive, is that some believe he succeeded in getting convictions by sticking too rigidly to the HS script, which may have blurred the entire truth.Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-72509755282078648352011-05-20T15:08:22.955-04:002011-05-20T15:08:22.955-04:00Marliese said:
[quote]I think the biggest thing th...Marliese said:<br />[quote]I think the biggest thing though, regardless that he didn't have to prove motive, is that some believe he succeeded in getting convictions by sticking too rigidly to the HS script, which may have blurred the entire truth.[end quote]<br /><br />Mr Poirot says:<br /><br />In court Charlie certainly played right into the Helter Skelter motive. The Family was always talking about killing pigs after Charlie got on his HS bent.<br /><br />It's also true that TLB was a copycat murder.<br /><br />The Family was short on money and the cops were hassling them till paranoia reigned.<br /><br />Charlie was pissed off that Melcher and Wilson weren't going to record his music.<br /><br />There was no shortage of motives.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-22510053422455531912011-05-20T14:34:08.732-04:002011-05-20T14:34:08.732-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Marliesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920353129039798997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-60462971876037527112011-05-20T13:02:58.268-04:002011-05-20T13:02:58.268-04:00The irony here, is that selling a "conspiracy...The irony here, is that selling a "conspiracy" case against Manson to the jury, <i>could</i> have been a difficult task... but, the family themselves, assisted Bugliosi.<br />Everything the family did and said, demonstrated to the jury, that Manson was "in-charge"... (which was obviously the "cruxt" of Bug's case against Manson).<br />The family aided Bugliosi immensely, with their behavior... no doubt.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-8484754444470796402011-05-20T12:44:23.457-04:002011-05-20T12:44:23.457-04:00Circumstance is correct, in that, Manson and compa...Circumstance is correct, in that, Manson and company, may not have been Bugliosi's toughest lifetime conviction... likely it wasn't.<br />For better or worse, Bug will forever be defined as the lawyer who put Manson away.<br />Bugliosi certainly seems Okay with it (and the money it brought, LOL)... so, I guess that's what matters.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-12275543422857401342011-05-20T12:34:48.292-04:002011-05-20T12:34:48.292-04:00Hello Richard!!!!
Welcome to the blog, and thanks ...Hello Richard!!!!<br />Welcome to the blog, and thanks for the compliments.<br /><br />The comments section, is my favorite part of any blog as well.<br />I was just saying the other day... chatting with the visitors/regulars, is still the best part of the experience for me.<br /><br />I would highly encourage you to become a "regular".<br />I'd estimate, eighty percent of bloggers, start-out as "lurkers".<br />It's very common, if not the "norm".<br />Heck, I could list quite a few folks, whom I personally pushed from "lurkdom" into full-fledged "blogdom" over time.<br />I won't mention any names, as not to embarrass anyone.<br />OK... maybe a couple.<br />The infamous "Baby Alice" stuck around, and took an avatar at my suggestion... and thanked me many times.<br />Bedpan, blogged without an avatar for a long time... until I suggested he go the extra mile, and find a real Bedpan. LOLOL<br />Well... if you're gonna use the name right? LOL<br /><br />Have at it Richard!LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-48984883695105496632011-05-20T11:12:18.278-04:002011-05-20T11:12:18.278-04:00>>>Circumstance said: It seems he had a ...>>>Circumstance said: It seems he had a great trial record as L/S points out- but I think anyone could have won that case...>>><br /><br />HA HA. You're probably right. It was a "slam dunk" with all that looniness!!<br /><br />>>>certainly he was a very accomplished lawyer- and it is not his fault Tex isn't 9 feet under by now...>>><br /><br />No it's not his fault that they're not all 9 feet under by now.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-18539584408319795142011-05-20T11:06:13.358-04:002011-05-20T11:06:13.358-04:00Hi Richard. I'm glad you enjoy this blog. Pl...Hi Richard. I'm glad you enjoy this blog. Please feel free to join in with your comments anytime!!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-32503283613450583972011-05-20T09:39:49.657-04:002011-05-20T09:39:49.657-04:00Mary- Hello :)
I have never posted anything about...Mary- Hello :)<br /><br />I have never posted anything about Bugs too negative. I have no opinion of him outside the case at all- despite all I have heard- who knows what he is really like...<br /><br />It seems he had a great trial record as L/S points out- but I think anyone could have won that case...<br /><br />It seems his greatest contribution to the case was amplifying Helter Skelter as a catchphrase for the next 40 something years- based on some things he heard from Paul Watkins and a few others....<br /><br />Who knows why so many people have a problem with Bugs...<br /><br />He may be a bad guy- but was not the bad guy in that case...<br /><br />certainly he was a very accomplished lawyer- and it is not his fault Tex isn't 9 feet under by now...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-80431758136222991952011-05-20T09:36:22.686-04:002011-05-20T09:36:22.686-04:00I've been going over your site for sometime, a...I've been going over your site for sometime, an just wanted to say I'm finding it very interesting not to mention entertaining. I particularly enjoy the comment section. I decided after lurking around so long I should thank someone. So Thank Yourichko62https://www.blogger.com/profile/10600011780062094296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-34809667521799238522011-05-20T01:48:32.300-04:002011-05-20T01:48:32.300-04:00Good point Poirot.
A picture does say 1,000 words...Good point Poirot.<br /><br />A picture does say 1,000 words, doesn't it?<br /><br />I was actually looking at those "Faces of Meth" videos on YouTube the other night.<br />It's "before and after" photos of folks who are addicted to meth.<br />Most of them are police mug shots.<br /><br />What's amazing, is that many of the photos are only taken, one year apart... but, you wouldn't even know it was the same person, in the two photos.<br /><br />That stuff can tear you up.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-12737086473355081512011-05-20T01:41:09.275-04:002011-05-20T01:41:09.275-04:00Hi Mary!
Great to see Ya!
Sorry you had a rough we...Hi Mary!<br />Great to see Ya!<br />Sorry you had a rough week.<br /><br />I can't speak for anyone else... but my take on Bugliosi is something like this:<br /><br />I believe Bugliosi was a brilliant lawyer.<br />If I needed a lawyer in the 1970's, 80's, 90's... up to around 2005... I would have been very happy to land Bugliosi.<br />The man received his law degree from UCLA, where he was president of his graduating class.<br />He won 105 of 106 felony cases as a prosecutor, which included winning 21-out-of-21 murder cases.<br />That's a 99.0566% success rate, as a lawyer.<br />So... he was a great lawyer.<br />I don't see how anyone can dispute that fact.<br /><br />The flip side:<br />I think in recent years, the man has unfortunately lost a few steps, if not a few marbles.<br />His latest book... disproving God, doesn't interest me in the least, and I think he'd do well, to just enjoy his retirement.<br /><br />Also... he can be hard to stomach on these talk shows.<br />It seems being a top-notch lawyer, does not always translate well, into being a good tabloid tv guest. LOL<br />Maybe, that's to be expected.<br />Is "Megalo-maniac" really a word?<br />Patti Tate comes across a bit more pleasant, humble, and reserved than Bugliosi.<br />I enjoyed Patti, more on the show, than Bugliosi.<br />But then again, Patti surely couldn't have successfully prosecuted several defendents simultaneously.<br />So... "It is, what it is".<br /><br />Bottom line:<br />I have immense respect for Bugliosi's talents and accomplishments as a professional lawyer.<br />On a personal level, he can be annoying.<br />A large ego... dominating personality... and the ability to make things "large and obvious", are great tools in the courtroom... maybe not so much on talk-show television.<br /><br />That's my two cents.<br />Everyone else, feel free to weigh-in, with your thoughts on Bugliosi.LynyrdSkynyrdBandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603696815079837528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-31314973845312714832011-05-20T01:04:04.517-04:002011-05-20T01:04:04.517-04:00Well, phttt!Well, phttt!rfoster1https://www.blogger.com/profile/03498047285030700138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-61773989705274364432011-05-20T00:34:27.494-04:002011-05-20T00:34:27.494-04:00katie8753 said...
And Tex Watson was "brainfu...katie8753 said...<br />And Tex Watson was "brainfucked". I can guarantee you all that!!<br /><br />May 19, 2011 7:46 PM<br /><br />Mr Poirot replies:<br /><br />If you look at pics of the killers at their capture you can see they all had been subjected to a hippie-hell. They's swallowed and smoked everything they could find. They sucked up every piece of left wing propaganda on the horizon. They had eaten out of dumpsters.<br />Yea their brains were all damaged. It's difficult to tell if Tex was more deranged than the others. Sadie looked pretty bad too. I don't think her mind ever came back to her.MrPoirothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-60086056800033263422011-05-19T23:46:13.565-04:002011-05-19T23:46:13.565-04:00And Tex Watson was "brainfucked". I can...And Tex Watson was "brainfucked". I can guarantee you all that!!katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-52537519857837910462011-05-19T23:33:30.011-04:002011-05-19T23:33:30.011-04:00I just want to say one more thing, then I'm he...I just want to say one more thing, then I'm heading off to never, never land. <br /><br />Stockholm Syndrome is a psychological syndrome that is prevalent in the case of a "captive".<br /><br />Patty Hearst was a captive. This certainly applies to her. <br /><br />Stockholm Syndrome is a condition in which the victim starts identifying with the captor. It is a defense mechanism.<br /><br />Not to be confused with brainwashing. They are very closely identified, with very different procedures.<br /><br />It is indeed possible to brainwash someone.<br /><br />Isolation is the key point. Without that, it's impossible to accomplish your goal. Without isolation, the constant input from the "real world" will repudiate your goal. Once you establish isolation, you start inserting certain values, whether or not believed by the victim, but you have to use the "reward/punishment" system to infuse that value system. You also have to evalute every individual that you plan to "brainfuck" to see what his/her needs are, and perform that function.<br /><br />Once you have used that in enough time (depending on the victim, could be 2 weeks to 6 months), it will eventually start to adhere.<br /><br />And this isn't from Wiki. This is from me.<br /><br />OK more later.<br /><br />Ciao.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-74407783657517887902011-05-19T22:57:38.645-04:002011-05-19T22:57:38.645-04:00>>>V717 said: I miss one lair. I think d...>>>V717 said: I miss one lair. I think definitely PENTAGON should be number one on the list.<br />Poor Charlie Manson don´t have a chance against the guys in that lair.>>><br /><br />Huh???? "Poor Charlie Manson"? What does the Pentagon have to do with this case. Doesn't make any sense. I think you need to call BR-549. <br /><br />>>>Mary said: Hey Katie - this has just been a really crappy week. Nothing has worked right...including Google!>>><br /><br />I'm sorry you're having a bad week. I hope everything's okay.<br /><br />>>>I think Bug did a great job too. I have just heard many derogatory things about him on these boards...so I wasn't sure if I missed something. I was hoping some of those who have been very vocal in their displeasure of him and how he handled this case would let me know what I missed.>>><br /><br />I love your spunk!!! I'm right there with you!!<br /><br />Well I think he beat all odds convicting Charlie. When I think of the monumental task of convincing a jury that he "controlled" these freaks and made them kill perfect strangers, and then accomplished this task, my hat's off to him.<br /><br />Charlie did indeed brainwash these losers into killing for him. That's an undisputed fact and for Bugliosi to convince a jury of that was monumental.<br /><br />Of course, it helped his case a lot that Charlie, et al, continually acted like morons, carving, singing, laughing, and generally making the jury sick to their stomachs.<br /><br />I guess Charlie thought that he could control the jury too.<br /><br />Guess again Chuckie! HA HA.<br /><br />I hope that whoever you're talking about that was bad-mouthing Bugliosi will explain that to you. I'm not quite sure who that was.katie8753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00353364961453501063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-54561187659401180842011-05-19T22:27:11.942-04:002011-05-19T22:27:11.942-04:00Hey Katie - this has just been a really crappy wee...Hey Katie - this has just been a really crappy week. Nothing has worked right...including Google!<br /><br />I think Bug did a great job too. I have just heard many derogatory things about him on these boards...so I wasn't sure if I missed something. I was hoping some of those who have been very vocal in their displeasure of him and how he handled this case would let me know what I missed.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00969382265842883948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6001083595175224919.post-68622053234936949382011-05-19T22:27:04.965-04:002011-05-19T22:27:04.965-04:00I miss one lair. I think definitely PENTAGON shoul...I miss one lair. I think definitely PENTAGON should be number one on the list.<br />Poor Charlie Manson don´t have a chance against the guys in that lair.v717https://www.blogger.com/profile/16151778818005966430noreply@blogger.com