Sunday, February 20, 2022

Bruce Lee: The Jay Sebring Connection


Venus sent me this link.  Thanks Venus!!

45 comments:

katie8753 said...

I e-mailed Venus and asked if this was a movie, documentary, or something else. She said she would let me know.

Bruce had beautiful handwriting!!!

beauders said...

Wow Katie, Ridge just dropped Brooke like a dirty sock.

katie8753 said...

Beauders, I missed some of today's episode, but I saw the end where Ridge and Taylor kept kissing. I turned the channel. That made me sick. That guy is such a DOG!

beauders said...

Katie did you change the channel because you found his kissing on Taylor icky because he was cheating or because you find Ridge gross?

beauders said...

Would it be racist if I got a black kitten and named him Superspade? It probably is, so maybe I'll name him Lotsapappa.

Dilligaf said...

In today’s world, it would be racist to refer to your kitten as black. My, how the world has changed…

katie8753 said...

Beauders:

Katie did you change the channel because you found his kissing on Taylor icky because he was cheating or because you find Ridge gross?

Beauders, YES on both counts! I find Ridge icky because he was cheating on his wife, and because he's contemplating REVENGE SEX. He's so disgusting. I don't know why anyone would want to spend 5 seconds around that guy. BTW, I hate the way he "tilts his head" when someone says anything to him. Is that some kind of acting lesson he got when he was begging for parts back in Bakersfield?

katie8753 said...

Dill HA HA! Name your kitten anything you want. Fuck those people who don't like it.

I used to have a little black kitten with a white stripe on his head, and I named him Mr. Tuxedo. We called him "Mr. Tux" for short.

katie8753 said...

If you're wondering what happened to Finn, check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMX14UZcaYI

beauders said...

Katie, I lost my Cupid in September and my Gypsy two years before. I hate not having a cat. My dream cat would be a large Maine Coon Tortoiseshell with extra toes. I believe in not paying for pure bred cats there are enough cats out there needing homes. I'm open to black cats and calico's as well. Gypsy was a calico tabby and was very beautiful and Cupid was a white cat with an orange tail and orange on his face and back, he was what is called a dream sickle cat. They both had very big personalities and I miss them so much. Do you have pets? I know you have sons, I don't have any kids, so all my maternal instincts go towards my cats. I do have three nieces and two nephews, which is fun but boy do I miss having a cat too lay on my lap and keep me warm.

katie8753 said...

Beauders it seems you name your pets after TLB folks. LOL.

I found a stray litter of 6 kitties in my garage years ago trying to get out of the cold. I adopted all of them. They're all gone now, but they were a lot of fun. Some cats are standoffish and some are very loving. Pets are easier than kids because they don't "talk back".

I just watched a movie about Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys. I think it's called Love & Mercy. Brian Wilson evidently went nuts during the Beach Boys' heyday. The movie doesn't mention Charles Manson but I wonder if his involvement was partly responsible. In the movie he mentions to this lady that his brother drowned. I'm sure he's talking about Dennis. His death was really strange.

I'm still thinking Manson had something to do with that too.

Dilligaf said...

As I recall, Dennis had a BA level of something like .26, which is pretty drunk. It is like talking in cursive drunk. The mix of cool water, alcohol, and I would not be surprised if drugs played a role, has claimed many a life. This is one I do not believe that the Wooly Hophead had any role in.

beauders said...

Katie, Dennis dived off a boat drunk and they believe he hit his head and passed out, that is how he drowned. Manson may have done his voodoo on Wilson and that killed him, but there is no other way Manson had an effect. Brian Wilson took way too much LSD and fried his brain. He wasn't back to normal until the late 1980's. Manson did record at Brian's house and his wife did not like the girls being there. She sanitized the toilets after they were there, every time. There is a lot of silence around Manson and the other Beach Boy's so maybe Manson had some effect on Brian, but I think Brian was affected by LSD long before his brother met Manson.

katie8753 said...

Thanks guys. Brian's problems were probably caused by drugs and maybe even his father beating his head against a table in anger. Brian said he lost 96% of hearing in one of his ears because of the beatings. The boys' father was a violent man.

But I have to think also that mixing that with an encounter with a nut job like Manson and being threatened by same nut job because of a refusal to record his stupid music mixed in at some point. Don't know for sure of course.

I have to say I was really surprised and impressed by Brian's talent. I never liked the Beach Boys music in the 60's. Their voices were so high they sounded "girly". But I never realized how good they harmonized and the other devices in their recordings.

beauders said...

Brian Wilson is equivalent to any of the great composers, and meeting Manson would probably freak anyone out, especially when they learned Manson was responsible for Tate/LaBianca. The after effect of knowing Manson and his crazies were in your house probably freaked out more than one household in Hollywood. The father was extremely violent with all three of his sons. He was a horrible person and was jealous of his son's talent and success, he was another spurned unsuccessful musician.

beauders said...

Katie, yes I like the Manson nicknames, I almost got my sister to name her daughter Lily, Lulu. She would have killed me when the truth was learned, so I'm glad she didn't and my niece is Lily. My older niece has a cat named Lulu. They really liked that name. don't worry though I will never have a cat named Soupspoon.

katie8753 said...

Beauders that's a good point I forgot to make. Finding out that Manson & his crew were responsible for TLB, Hinman, etc. and then the crazy months long trial would be enough to freak anyone out. The Beach Boys had to have suffered some kind of emotional backlash knowing that could have been them. Didn't Terry Melcher have some kind of breakdown during the trial?

beauders said...

Yes, Katie I would be freaked out if a guest in my home was later responsible for a home invasion massacre. Terry Melcher was so freaked out he was scared to testify and was relieved when Manson smiled at him. Tom O'Neil claims Melcher knew it was Manson from the start and went to Spahn Ranch or Barker Ranch and begged Manson's forgiveness. If you have not read O'Neil's book "Chaos," read it. It's like Sanders book if all these people were involved in Tate/LaBianca there would be no room for the murders.

katie8753 said...

Thanks Beauders, I'll check that book out!

If you think about it, what happened at Cielo/Waverly could have happened to anyone who met Manson and that he had a beef with or whatever his squirrely reason for these murders was.

katie8753 said...

Okay I added Manson's "Cease to Exist" and the Beach Boys' "Never Learn Not to Love".

If you can get thru either one without falling asleep you will find that in Manson's song, he says "Never Learn Not to Love You". I thought he was mad because they changed his song up.

What's all the hub-bub...Bub?

Back in 1969 a single cost around $.50. An album cost around $5.00, depending on how popular it was. I remember that because my allowance was $.75/week, and I budgeted my money to buy singles or save up for an album.

I wouldn't have wasted one penny on Manson's music. They should post a warning sign on Manson's music.

Just sayin'!

katie8753 said...

BTW back then I saved my pennies to buy Paul McCartney's first album in 1970 when the Beatles broke up and Elton John's Madman Across the Water, among others.

katie8753 said...

The summer of 1969 was the first time I heard "Ticket to Ride" by the Carpenters, listening to my transistor radio in my bed.

I think Charlie was jealous of the Beatles. And so were the Beach Boys.

And it was around 1969 that the Beatles started fighting and broke up.

Also, just sayin'.

beauders said...

Katie, it sounds like you like music. I graduated high school in 1983 and was a fan of Alternative music especially Siouxsie and the Banshees. I also really like 90's Britpop. Go to YouTube and play Republica "From the Rush Hour With Love."

katie8753 said...

Beauders that's some "punk rock". LOL. Did you like The Spice Girls? Funny story, I took my younger son to Blockbusters one day and he timidly tried to sneak in a video in my pile at the checkout stand and it was that Spice Girls movie. He was in love with them and didn't want me to know. I rented it and we watched it together. It was harmless.

beauders said...

I have never heard a Spice Girls song Katie, but my oldest niece was a huge fan. By the way Republica was Britpop.

beauders said...

If you want to hear "Helter Skelter" by Siouxsie and the Banshees check out the live video on youtube. They do a pretty good cover and was once known to dedicate it to Roman Polanski.

katie8753 said...

Thanks Beauders. I listened to a little of that. Brrrrr.... Scary....

I've got a lead on some interesting stuff and hopefully will have a new thread tomorrow or in the next few days. That is if the Russians don't bomb us.

"I'VE GOT BLISTERS ON MY FINGERS!!!" HA HA.

beauders said...

Yes, Siouxsie is an acquired taste. That was during their punk period. Here's hoping Putin doesn't drop the bomb on us or anyone else. All he has to do to cause a huge problem is drop conventional bombs on Chernobyl which is about 40 miles from Kiev.

katie8753 said...

These are scary days Beauders! I don't know what's gonna happen. Just want to let you all know that I've enjoyed blogging with you.

"Just sayin'".

beauders said...

It is scary but I think the mainland US is going to be fine. Inflation is what we need to worry about such as $5.00-6.00 gas just to start.

sam dass said...

Sorry this is off topic:

For the last year or so ive been making a list of all books written on Charlie and/or the family, ive found 99 books, i didnt think i would make it to 100 until i discovered 5 more books - the author being Charles Manson himself!
Is this true? Has Charlie really written 5 books?
I just cant see it myself, i know he collaborated on one with Nuel Emmons, im reading that at the moment.

I will list the names of the books:

1. The black white bus
2. Your children
3. ATWA
4. The manson file (maybe with N.Shreck?)
5. A strange take on the charles manson case

So, anybody got any ideas?

beauders said...

Sam 1,2 & 3 are all stories in the first edition of "The Manson File." 5 may be the same I don't remember. To complicate the issue there are three different editions of "The Manson File," and they are all very different from each other. You should be able to find the first edition on ebay or amazon. "The Manson File" 2nd edition is rare, but I believe there is an expensive copy on ebay. The third edition is being released soon for around $50.00. Just look up Schreck and eventually you will find the third edition. Hope this helps.

sam dass said...

Beauders, thankyou for all that information, much appreciated.
I must read The Manson File 1st edition soon. The 2nd one is too expensive for me.
I didnt know there was a 3rd coming out - that will 100 Manson books written! Crazy.

Five To Die written by Ivor Davis is perhaps the first Manson book i think, before Helter Skelter, it is expensive too.
:)

katie8753 said...

Hi Sam. Welcome to the blog! Nothing is "off topic" here on this blog. Feel free to comment away on any topic you want to discuss!

Thanks Beauders for your expertise!

beauders said...

Just like I feared Putin is having his troops fire on one of the largest nuclear power plants in Europe. It's on fire and Putin is being asked to stop firing, so firemen can put the fire out. If this nuclear plant would explode it would be 10x worse than Chernobyl. That's the problem with nuclear power plants they are sitting bombs that could destroy all of us. We don't have any working nuclear power plants in the Northwest. Twenty years or so ago we voted to turn off our one plant, but then we have Hanford which is nuclear dumping ground for the country and that area is very toxic, even though the government says it's not. That is in Eastern Washington State. The northwest generates power from our rivers. We have enough electricity in Northwest to power every single electric car if necessary, in the future, it would be a boom for us.

katie8753 said...

Beauders, every night I go to sleep and wonder if I'll wake up. My kids try to keep me stable but it's hard.

Putin is insane, I think, and if so, there's not stopping him. Unless this country takes military action against him he will not stop. But if we do, he'll start a war on us.

What did Harold True say about crazy? "You can't ascribe reason to crazy people".

katie8753 said...

BTW, last week gas here was $3.19/Gallon. Today I saw it's $3.50/Gallon. And gas usually is cheap in Texas. So it's probably $2.00 or more higher in other states.

Gas is now $110.00/Barrel. We haven't seen that since the 80's.

grimtraveller said...

sam dass said:

The 2nd one is too expensive for me

It is expensive, but you should read it if you can. It's more than 900 pages. Think of the cost as an investment. And if you hate it, think of it as the price of an education !

Five To Die written by Ivor Davis is perhaps the first Manson book i think

I'd say Lawrence Schiller's "The killing of Sharon Tate" was the first one. My copy has a print date of January 1970. But looking at some of what "Five to die" mentions, it must have come a little later than January of that year. Someone on CieloDrive.com said it came out in April, which sounds about right, as Susan Atkins is still listed as the main witness against Charles Manson, in the book.

it is expensive too

I was fortunate to pick up a copy in 2015 and it cost me around £30 {which at the time was around $44}. It was actually on sale for around £62 {about $90}, but I bargained with the bookshop owner and he said he'd give it to me at the reduced price as he liked my style and cheek ! Mine is the 2009 version. All the text of the original is unchanged and there's a very interesting and lengthy afterword added.
It's ridiculously expensive now, almost prohibitive. Someone on Amazon is selling it for £748, which is $1,297.30. Most of the ones on sale are a lot less than that, but still ridiculous. Yet, it is such an important book {notwithstanding some of Ivor Davis' rather outlandish claims about it being the book that helped 'convict Manson'} and one that I'd say was indispensable, that it almost justifies the money.

before Helter Skelter

There are quite a few that came out before Helter Skelter. As well as the two mentioned, there's "The Garbage People", "The Family" [the Ed sanders one}, "Witness to evil", "Reflections on the Manson trial", "Trial by your peers", and two others worth mentioning that, although they came out this century, were written before HS. One is Robert Hendrickson's "Death to pigs" and the other is Herman Tubick's "Inside the Manson jury."
It's actually quite interesting how much in Helter Skelter is borrowed from the books that preceded it, though it will always be the definitive account, for a variety of reasons.

sam dass said...

Grim, you are a veritable fountain of knowledge on this case. Its only after being on this site i realise how much i dont know.

Helter Skelter was the 1st book i read on the case 4 years ago, ive read 6 more books since so ive got a 'basic' knowledge haha.

I would like to watch the 1973 Helter Skelter with Steve Railback, it seems impossible to find in the UK though.

One day Grimtraveller i will read the 2nd Manson File, its on my bucket list!

katie8753 said...

Sam that Steve Railsback Helter Skelter movie was shown on network TV in 1976. I think you can find it on Netflix.

grimtraveller said...

sam dass said:

I would like to watch the 1973 Helter Skelter with Steve Railback, it seems impossible to find in the UK though

Whereabouts in the UK are you ? I'm in North West London.
You can watch the film here. But do it quickly; it might not be up very long. I hope the link works.

katie8753 said...

As I said, it was made in 1976, not 1973.

sam dass said...

1976, I stand corrected! 🙂

I live between Manchester and Huddersfield, on the moors, out in the sticks as they say.
The link works, thanks very much i will watch it today incase it disappears, lucky I'm not in work.

katie8753 said...

As the Beatles say, "Yeah, yeah, yeah"!

sam dass said...

I watched Helter Skelter on the link you posted Grim. Great movie
That website is brilliant, there are endless documentaries and films on it.
So thanks for that, me and my brother are on it daily 😁😁😁