Tuesday, April 26, 2022

Tex Watson Extradited From Texas to California in 1970

"I'm the Devil.  And I'm here to do the Devil's bid-ness"!!  

Baby-killing Tex smiling like the rat-assed raccoon he is! Trying to convince the public he's "innocent".  What a joke!  He looks like the model for Jim Carrey in Dumb & Dumber.

77 comments:

katie8753 said...

He got a direct flight from Texas to CA? GET OUTTA HERE!!

Fullbug said...

His creepy smile at 2:59 is exactly the same as in his mugshot from a year or two before.

Dilligaf said...

Rat-assed raccoon? Now that is one I hadn’t heard before, thanks for the laugh.

BTW, I had an up close and personal interaction with one of Texas’ finest in Stephenville, TX. Let’s just say the officer did not find my comments as amusing as I did…😁

katie8753 said...

Fullbug, I think that with all of the stuff we argue about, we all agree that Tex is the creepiest of them all!

Dill! I chose the analogy of a Raccoon to Tex because Raccoons eat eggs, which means they're "baby killers" like Tex. I hope I didn't insult any Raccoons in the making of this thread.

HA HA HA!!!

Please tell me you didn't call the officer in Stephenville a "piggie". That's up there in North Texas. I don't think they cotton to that!

Are you making your usual pilgrimage to Texas & Oklahoma?

Dilligaf said...

Just came back, we were looking at acreage around Weatherford or Decatur. I got lit up for failure to use a turn signal. I was the only one pulled over, and the only one with California plates. What a coincidence…

Did get to stop at Buc-ee’s though, on the way to Ft. Worth. Can’t go to Texas without a stop at a Buc-ee’s.

katie8753 said...

Yeah those California plates shine like a comet at night! Hee Hee.

Take my advice! Don't buy land around Dallas. Go back around to West Texas, around Pecos. You'll buy more land for less money. It will pay off in the long run. Just my opinion.

Buc-ee's is good!

katie8753 said...

I had a friend drop by last night and he lives in Austin. He was talking about how expensive it is there.

I looked up the real estate in Austin today and it's UNBELIEVABLE! A DUMP goes for $360,000.00. Seriously! A DUMP!

Anyway, I'm heading for bed. I mowed the back today and my back hurts.

Oh yeah, I already said that....

Hey Beauders, I hope you're okay. I haven't heard from you in a few days. Lots going on with B&B. I think Sheila is gonna OD Steffy. Or us. HA HA.

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Fullbug said...

Looking at houses in Texas now. There's some relative bargains, at least compared to LA and Seattle.

katie8753 said...

Fullbug I think the property in Austin is higher than anywhere else in Texas. At least that's what I heard. But there are some reasonable priced houses in Texas especially compared to the West Coast. I think that's why a lot of people are moving here. It's sure not for the weather! LOL.

Fullbug said...

Austin a great place (I've heard), but I can see why it's more popular and expensive. I don't know... I'm from the west coast and going to Texas would be a BIG adjustment.
Mrs. Fullbug and I are also looking at Arizona, but we've sort of been priced out of Phoenix. I actually want to look in New Mexico, I found a great neighborhood in east Albuquerque right below Sandia Mountain, but Mrs. Fullbug is not enthusiastic about that.

katie8753 said...

Well it does get cold in the winter in Albuquerque, so be prepared if you used to mild weather on the west coast. I think other than Albuquerque and Santa Fe, New Mexico is pretty remotely populated and barren. Which could be a good thing.

Dilligaf said...

Flagstaff, AZ is nice, but it is getting pricey. It also gets snow in winter time. Back in Texas, Rhome and Plano are nice areas, but like everywhere else in Texas, prices have gone up. Maybe that is why Tennessee is become the most popular state to move to?

starviego said...

I have never come across any good reason as to why Tex was able to avoid extradition for so long. My gut feeling is that they didn't want him at the main TLB trial, and that some high-level maneuvering was going on to keep him in Texas as long as possible.

katie8753 said...

Starviego I think it was both parties. I think Charlie's defense probably thought it would be easier to get Charlie off if Watson was at the same trial because they could focus on him and minimize Charlie's involvement. And Watson's defense probably thought it would be easier to get Watson off or a lesser sentence if he was tried alone.

Bugliosi says in Helter Skelter that he tried many times to get Tex in LA for the trial. I can't remember now why he failed for so long.

Hey does anyone know what happened to the Tex Tapes??

Dilligaf said...

I think that individuals in Texas did not want to extradite Watson back to California. He may have been a killer, but he was their killer, and California was seen as such a crazy place, that they did all they could to slow the process down. I do not believe that there were any conspiracies so much as intra-state rivalries. We still see it today between states with the DP and states the have eliminated the DP, and will slow down the process every way they can.

starviego said...

If Tex was there for the trial, what would have prevented him from taking the stand and claiming sole credit for Helter Skelter, exonerating Charlie in the process?

"Charlie just thought we were going to burglarize the place, but the killing was my idea. Charlie was furious when he found out what we did."

Such a scenario would have been a nightmare for the prosecution. As devoted as the girls were to Charlie, they must have feared Tex would be just as loyal.

grimtraveller said...

starviego said:

I have never come across any good reason as to why Tex was able to avoid extradition for so long

You have been given good reason ~ you just refuse to accept it as good. The Boyds in Texas were of the opinion that Watson would never get a fair trial because of the pre-trial publicity, so they did what they could to keep him from extradition. It's not complicated or conspiratorial.

If Tex was there for the trial, what would have prevented him from taking the stand and claiming sole credit for Helter Skelter, exonerating Charlie in the process?

That one's easy ~ he didn't want to die in the gas chamber !
Manson was the one that wanted to be noticed and wanted fame. He was the one that pontificated about the beauty of death and how it was just an illusion.
Watson never bought any of that esoteric shit. He most assuredly wanted to escape death.

grimtraveller said...

starviego said:

"Charlie just thought we were going to burglarize the place, but the killing was my idea. Charlie was furious when he found out what we did."
Such a scenario would have been a nightmare for the prosecution


Not half as much of a nightmare as it would have been for Tex !
One thing that I notice so many people overlook in this case, when it comes to motive, is that the sequence of events that came to LE pointed to Manson.
Although he was on the suspect list as early as mid October '69, the main reason he was on that list was because of Bobby Beausoleil. And in truth, he was on the LaBianca detectives suspect list as a long shot, because he happened to have a record, rather than as a serious suspect. It was two LASO detectives that thought it suspicious that Gary Hinman's death had similarities to the Tate crime. And even before the LaBiancas were found, the two detectives told the Tate investigators their suspicions, and the officer on the Tate investigation, Jess Buckles, promptly dismissed it.
Jess Buckles is the TLB equivalent of Dick Rowe at Decca records that turned down the Beatles !
Anyway, in the 7 weeks between that LaBianca cop report with their suspect list {and don't forget, there were some 10 other suspects on the list too, some just as dodgy as Charlie and some actually violent} and the grand jury, all hell broke loose. All these people came out of the woodwork {people like Brooks Poston, Danny Decarlo, Virginia Graham, Ronnie Howard, Al Springer, Paul Crockett, among others} and Susan started blabbing and the one thing they all had in common was Charles Manson being linked to the murders in one way or another, whether it was through what he himself said or his philosophy matching the words found at the scene. And Leslie joined that list of blabbers just after the GJ.
So I don't quite see how Tex would have come forward claiming responsibility when nothing other than the deeds themselves had pointed towards him.
Had no one mentioned Manson, but Tex had been shown to be the fulcrum around which these events happened, they'd have gone for him.
This idea that "the prosecution just had to nail poor old Charlie" is low strength manure. He put that about prior to the trial, in some of his media interviews, and Irving Kanarek put it about during the trial ~ it's actually part of the trial record.
Over the years, I've asked the detractors, what should the prosecution have done, given the amount of independent information that came their way about Manson ? Ignored it ?
No one ever answers.

As devoted as the girls were to Charlie, they must have feared Tex would be just as loyal

Interesting conclusion. Watson, from the very moment he got arrested, distanced himself from Charlie, the Family, from Hippydom, from anything remotely connected with that period of his life. I don't think he said a word to Charlie from the time he skipped out on him in October '69 to the day Manson died in 2017.
Tex's main concern in life, once caught, was Tex.
As for the women being worried that Tex would be just as loyal to Charlie as they were, well, all I will do is to invite you to read his court testimony. He not only put everything awful on them, he did likewise with Manson. Basically, "nothing" was his fault and "poor Charles" was "clearly" "suffering" from "diminished responsibility."

grimtraveller said...

Dilligaf said:

He may have been a killer, but he was their killer, and California was seen as such a crazy place, that they did all they could to slow the process down. I do not believe that there were any conspiracies so much as intra-state rivalries

There seemed to be quite a bit of that too.
Men !

starviego said:

as to why Tex was able to avoid extradition for so long. My gut feeling is that they didn't want him at the main TLB trial

They spent 9 months trying to get him extradited. As David pointed out to you a couple of years ago, the reasons and records are documented.
It was actually in the prosecution's interests to have Watson there for the trial. One of the main planks of their case was domination and Watson would have had an interesting dilemma. If he took the fall {which he wasn't ever going to do !}, he dies. On the other hand, if he played the part that he did, then that would have forced the hand of Charlie and the girls and the defence would have been fractured, showing Manson's domination, which would result in him dying. But at least by playing it his way, he could go for diminished responsibility.
Interestingly, Charlie, Susan and Leslie were adamant that they were not insane. And whenever a lawyer tried to actually defend them the way they thought legally best, Charlie got rid of them. So having Watson there would actually have been a bonus for the prosecution.
As it turns out, it didn't matter in the end, and they all got the death sentence.
Sometimes, the problem with the serial conspiracy theorist is not so much that they can't see the woods for the trees, but rather, they can't see the trees {ie, the evidence before them} for the woods {their imagined conspiracy}.

katie8753 said...

I'll tell ya WHUT!!! HA HA!

Starviego said:

If Tex was there for the trial, what would have prevented him from taking the stand and claiming sole credit for Helter Skelter, exonerating Charlie in the process?

"Charlie just thought we were going to burglarize the place, but the killing was my idea. Charlie was furious when he found out what we did."


I've gotta say I agree with Grim on this stuff because Tex never said anything like that. Not at the trial or in his book. Tex never took responsibility for the killings. In fact he made sure that before his trial and during his incarceration in Texas, he looked like a shrunken "used-to-be", banking on his "diminished capacity".

Whether or not it was intentional or "true", Tex did lose a lot of weight in his cell in Texas. That could have been part of his "overall plan" to get off the hook for these TLB murders.

If Tex had just been honest about these killings, people might have felt sorry for the guy. A simpleton "know-nothing" from Texas moves to CA and hooks up with the wrong people including an experienced ex-con who has learned in prison how to manipulate people to do his bidding so he doesn't have to get his hands dirty and return to prison if caught, and the result was murderous activity that he didn't quite understand because at the time he was so drugged up he was out of his mind.

But, Tex revealed to everyone later on that he was not only "in his mind" he had the "brain cells" to figure out how to "blame it on sex, drugs and rock & roll". It makes me sick how he blames all of this on other people, drugs, music, coercion, surroundings, topography, cars, and basically his mother.

But the only person, place or thing Tex can blame is himself!

starviego said...

katie8753 said...

I've gotta say I agree with Grim on this stuff because Tex never said anything like that. Not at the trial or in his book. Tex never took responsibility for the killings.

It's not about what Tex said or didn't say. It's about what prosecutors, as they prepared for the trial in the spring of 1970, feared he MIGHT say.

All they knew at that time is that Charlie was surrounded by fanatical followers, who would do anything the guru told them to do. As no one investigator had been allowed to talk to Tex, for all they knew he was just as willing to take a bullet for Manson as the others..

katie8753 said...

Well that's a good point Starviego.

It's really hard to bring a case against a defendant for ordering people to go to houses and just kill strangers for no reason at all. If Bugliosi really thought this out, he should have tried Charlie separate from anyone. Although his antics in the courtroom, which proved his control over his co-horts, wouldn't have been effective if it was just him.

It's hard to believe that people would just obey a command like that, but it's pretty prevalent in these cults that people just do what they're told, because they're brain-warshed.

grimtraveller said...

starviego said:

It's not about what Tex said or didn't say. It's about what prosecutors, as they prepared for the trial in the spring of 1970, feared he MIGHT say

I'm afraid that's your conspiratorial bias getting in the way of the facts again, Sam.
Bugliosi was well aware that there was a chance that the Family would try to put the hat on Tex, which is why he collated a lot of examples of the roles each man played in the Family.
But aside from that, I'm afraid that it was obvious before 1969 was out that Charlie was Rome and all roads led to Rome ! And don't forget, regardless of what Watson may have said, there was enough independent evidence to nail Manson. After all, he was naied without a peep from Watson. Even on the day he turned up at court during the trial, and was asked to identify himself, he didn't utter a word !

starviego said...

It would be interesting to find out exactly how many court days were devoted to the Texdradition, and who paid for all those lawyers. And WHY someone shelled out all this big money merely to stave off the inevitable. Because it was obvious from the gitgo that Tex was going to be extradited sooner or later. So who benefited by this long delay? Not Tex or his family, that's for sure.

grimtraveller said...

starviego said:

So who benefited by this long delay? Not Tex or his family, that's for sure

Actually, Tex thought he was benefitting. He didn't want to be tried with the others. He would have waived extradition like Pat and Linda if he wanted to stay with the Family that he had run away from.
And think about it ~ what did he start doing as soon as it became clear that he was being extradited ?
You're so desperate to find upper level conspiracies everywhere, that you so often ignore what is plainly in front of you.
In the end, the only reason it did not benefit Tex was because he'd committed murder 8 times over. And California wanted that sucker.

who paid for all those lawyers

I don't know this for certain, but I think his family {his real one} did.

beauders said...

I'm ok Katie just been busy

katie8753 said...

Oh good Beauders. I was starting to get worried! Thanks!

starviego said...

grimtraveller said...

You're so desperate to find upper level conspiracies everywhere...


I have to make up for those who don't see them anywhere.

Dilligaf said...

“I have to make up for those who don’t see them anywhere”.

These upper level conspiracies, are they in the room with us now??

katie8753 said...

Eric is sleeping with Donna, Quinn is flirting with Carter, Liam is dumbing with Steffie, Ridge is nooking with Taylor, Brooke is stupid, Deacon is trying to help Sheila stay normal, and otherwise all's right with the B&B.

beauders said...

...and Portland is rioting again, over abortion rights.

katie8753 said...

Beauders I'm sorry there is rioting there again. Please stay safe!

beauders said...

Don't worry, maybe when I was younger I would venture downtown to watch everything but not now.

katie8753 said...

Why would men care about abortion laws? I guess they don't want to pay child support. Maybe they should invest in some rubbers...

beauders said...

Katie, are you keeping up on that escaped murderer and his girlfriend correctional officer?

katie8753 said...

Beauders I heard a little bit about it. Their last names are both White I think. According to the news, he conned her into getting him out and the police are worried about her safety. Where are they supposed to be hiding out?

sunset77 said...

I'm definitely keeping up on the escaped prison guard and the murderer. I looked that up a few hours after it happened. I knew the second I saw that guy what he was, I did 3 years in prison myself and saw dudes just like that. About 95% of the guys in prison are basically "regular guys", but about 5% are "nightmare city" and this guy is one of them.

I just found this though, "ALABAMA (WHNT) — The Limestone County Sheriff’s Office is reopening an investigation into the mysterious death of Casey White’s ex-girlfriend in 2008 as the hunt for the murder suspect and corrections officer Vicky White continues.

The investigation involves the death of 31-year-old Christy Shelton, who was shot to death with a sawed-off shotgun. Officials initially ruled her death a suicide."

That woman prison guard made the biggest mistake of her life. That is the type of guy that will throw acid in your face and chop you into pieces with an axe, and not think nothing of it.

I was locked up with another dude named "White" that had 3 woman jail guards pregnant at the same time, 4 overall. That kind of stuff happens in prisons all the time-- Tavon White

sunset77 said...

Also, there is a story on Yahoo right now about the escaped murderer Casey White, it shows images of his tattoos--Yahoo Casey White

That brought back a lot of memories, all bad. They look like prison tattoos, I know all about 'em. The "tattoo guy" used to work right across from my bunk, hiding behind a low wall every night. The tattoo gun was made by straightening a paper clip and sharpening it, the shaft of an ink pen, and the motor out of a portable cassette player. I think the ink had to be made "special". You couldn't use ink out of a pen if I remember correctly, it would make you sick. I think they made it with cigarette ashes and some type of coloring, maybe food coloring from the kitchen. Every night "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" about 10 feet away when I was trying to sleep. Tattoo man had to make money to keep the economy going.

There was also "laundry man". If you gave him a couple of bucks, he would actually wash your clothes instead of throwing them in a corner somewhere and giving them back a few hours later unwashed. There was "haircut man". If you gave him a couple of dollars you wouldn't look like Larry, Moe or Curly.

After the one and only time I stood in the hot sun for about 4 hours waiting in the commissary line, I gave a guy a dollar to go stand in that line for me. I could lay on my bunk in the cool dorm while he stood in that line. He's come back with my "Debbies", "Bugler", summer sausage, Ramen noodles, pickles, mayonnaise, crackers, kippered snacks, and other good stuff. That night we'd have a "hook up". About 5 of us would chip in something, a Ramen noodle, a summer sausage, crackers, a can of fish, etc. They'd mix it up in a bowl and we'd eat it on crackers. I thought it was very good. To be honest, I wish I had the recipe for it.

There were also prison artists that would draw and sell cards for mother's day, Christmas and other holidays. Some of them were very good, I bought a few. I was lucky when I was in minimum, we were allowed to have $65, my family on the outside made sure I always had it. There were only maybe 10 guys in my dorm out of about 150 that got money from outside. I didn't live like a "king", but it sure made it a lot better.

beauders said...

I knew that when I first saw her, I knew she was in love with him, poor thing.

katie8753 said...

Sunset what a nightmare!!! I'm glad I never went to prison, sounds like a real scary place! Tatoos are bad enough but cigarette ashes & food coloring??

I know there are women who will make contact with convicted murderers and even marry them. I never understood that. Are they that desperate???

Look at Tex Watson! Some woman married him and had children with him. Bruce & Bobby too.

beauders said...

Anyway you look at it, her life is over. Not only did Tex marry and have children, he had four children. That offended Mrs. Tate she felt he had abused the system. Mrs. Tate is the reason there is no hanky panky visits for violent criminals such as Tex, and Bruce. I don't think Beausoleil had any children while in prison but he had a bunch before prison.

beauders said...

Beausoleil was that special kind of guy who would get a girl pregnant and then move on and get another one pregnant and so on and so forth. He belongs in prison for that in my opinion. He only knows his children because they knew where to find him---prison.

katie8753 said...

Good for Doris Tate! Can you imagine being one of Tex Watson's children? Or even Bruce's child.

No matter how hard they try to hide their Dad's identity, people are gonna find it on the internet, which means they will NEVER be able to escape the notoriety of what he did. I can't imagine what their mother was thinking!!

Beausoleil is a bum! They should have taken any money he got for his "prison living" and distributed it to his children.

katie8753 said...

I'm assuming that Tex's wife took those children to PRISON to visit their father! What kind of mother would do that? That blows my mind!!!

beauders said...

Doris Tate is one the few heroes in this sad tale. Not only did Kristen Watson bring the kids to visit Tex, they had family visits in the conjugal trailers over weekends every few months. Like I said Tex took advantage of the conjugal visits so Mrs. Tate had it wiped out for all the violent assholes. Tex must have been real popular after the other inmates found out. Is that why he was suddenly moved Mule Creek prison and not allowed to be involved in running the church there but instead was demoted to janitor. California did throw him a bone though, they moved him to a pretty cushy prison in San Diego, which is close to where his children live. The children are close to Tex and visit quite a bit. I hear Kristin and Tex broke up when she found out he was getting blow jobs from other inmates.

katie8753 said...

So Kristin didn't mind that Tex stabbed Voytek 51 times, shot him and beat his head to pieces with a gun butt, stabbed Abigail Folger 28 times, stabbed, shot and beat Jay Sebring to death, stabbed and killed Sharon Tate and her baby 16 times, stabbed Leno & Rosemary multiple times, stuck a knife in Leno's neck and left it there. Helped stabbed and kill Shorty Shea.

But she was "put off" because Tex got a "blow job"?????? That's what bothered her????

A marriage "made in Heaven". WHOOOOO!

The children are close to Tex and visit quite a bit.

What a family reunion! "Hey Dad, this is my new girlfriend. Can you put your handcuffs back on? She's a little nervous..."

"So....what are you in for?" HA HA HA!!!

That's gotta be a laugh a minute!

beauders said...

Kristin read Tex's book and fell in love. The whole family (Tex's family that is) blames his bad behavior on all the drugs Tex consumed. That's how Tex and Kristen explained why he was in prison to their children it was because of drugs and the satanic figure of Manson.

katie8753 said...

Okay enough about Tex and his entourage. I watched Amber Heard's testimony for 2 days, and if what she's describing happened every 2 weeks, she would have been 6 feet under. There is no way she could have survived that many beatings and never showed a bruise, broken nose, broken fingers, broken neck, broken back, etc. The abuse she's describing would have resulted in DEATH! The only thing she forgot to mention is Moe's eye-poke on the 3 Stooges. Along with the sound effects!

I rest my case...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLoWbDkF6cI

Dilligaf said...

Yeah, I’m not buying Depp’s version either. In clinical terms, I think that they are both batshit crazy, and only brought out the worst in each other. Depp, in my opinion, wanted to be larger than life much like Hunter S. Thompson, but instead became another drug abusing Hollywood star who believed he could get away with anything.

katie8753 said...

As usual Dill, you hit the nail on the head! It's pretty evident that Johnny's no angel. He did/is/was drugged and drunk and out of control. But that doesn't mean he ever hit her. If he has lost income because of a pack of lies then I hope he wins this case. It's hard to say what the outcome will be. They both may end up with nothing but legal fees.

Maybe he should have just written his own Op-Ed instead of suing her. I guess we'll see what happens.

Dilligaf said...

Here’s the thing; his expert witness testified that this op-Ed piece hurt Depp’s career, resulting in financial impact. But what was missing from his direct testimony? The fact that he had become a drug-fueled alcoholic. Because, of course, that in no way could impact a person’s career…

katie8753 said...

That's true Dill. Showing up at the set 4 or 5 hours late can't help your career. I think it's probably a combination of both. I think Disney would have let Johnny get away with a lot because he is the reason those Pirates movies are/were popular, but hiring him for the 6th Pirates movie after he was branded a "wife beater" would have been economic suicide for Disney. So I do think that label hurt him financially to a certain extent.

It's ironic because Johnny testified that he brought this lawsuit because he was tired of all the accusations about him affecting his kids, but airing all of this dirty laundry to the whole world, including tape recordings, text messages, e-mails, etc. of drunken rages and vitriol have got to be embarrassing them again.

katie8753 said...

Here ya go!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/sheriff-ex-jail-official-inmate-she-helped-escape-caught/ar-AAX58Yi?ocid=uxbndlbing&msclkid=d01e2e51cffc11ecb7cb89c78be9323f

sunset77 said...

I saw the jail guard and the murderer were captured yesterday. The police said she died of a "self inflicted" gunshot. I doubt it although it's possible. Casey White's first girlfriend apparently died of a what was initially ruled a self inflicted gunshot, that case has apparently been reopened. The bottom line is it's hard to say how many women that guy has killed.

The sheriff in Alabama says Casey White is going to be extradited back to Alabama and he won't escape again and blah blah blah. If that clown knew what he was doing he wouldn't have escaped in the first place. Casey White is one mean dangerous dude and will kill anyone for no reason at all. As I said, I saw a number of guys just like him in prison. If he's in some cracker box jail, he's big and strong enough, even wearing handcuffs and chains, to grab a female jail guard around the neck, smash her head into a wall, and kill her. That's what guys like that do. They should probably file federal charges against that guy for crossing state lines during a fatal prison escape, and send him to the federal super max in Colorado.

Why did Vicky White help him escape? The first thing I would look for is what drugs she was taking. I've said it many times before, I'll say it again, various anti depressant "medication" has caused all manner of "bizarre" and "senseless" carnage. According to many news stories, Casey White was "off his meds" ever since he escaped. She was probably taking the same "meds" or something similar. That is ALWAYS covered up though.

katie8753 said...

That guy was 6'9" tall????? Talk about Herman Munster. He must have been pretty easy to spot.

I heard on the news that the first thing he said was "I didn't shoot her, she shot herself". That sounds suspicious.

She might have been on anti-depressants. I think her husband just died a year or so ago.

She sold her house to some house-buying company for $90,000 and used that money to buy several cars they were using.

grimtraveller said...

katie8753 said:

Why would men care about abortion laws?

For a whole host of reasons.
Most abortion laws the world over have been crafted by men. But aside from that, it is not a female-only issue. It takes two to create a child and two to raise it and therefore the say isn't only for the female. By pitching it there, it lets so many irresponsible males off the hook. Not that they needed much encouragement in the first place.

No matter how hard they try to hide their Dad's identity, people are gonna find it on the internet, which means they will NEVER be able to escape the notoriety of what he did. I can't imagine what their mother was thinking!!

Arguably, she wasn't thinking.
But that's perhaps a little unfair. I think she's like a number of women in situations where they think that they are just what that guy needs and they can somehow "save" him and bring him back to "normality" and/or "respectability." I've lost count of the number of women, for example, that hook up with a bisexual guy, thinking her love will be enough to sustain them, only for the guy to go off with another guy. I never read of the guys going off with another woman.
Or the woman that hooks up with the drunk or the drug addict or the gambling addict, thinking that eventually, she can pull him through with her love.....only to either get a regular sound beating, pulled into addiction herself or find most of the furniture sold off...
Nope, I think Kristin was thinking. And then discovered that real life consists of more than just thought and that a pessimist is really just an optimist ~ with hardened and often disappointing experience !

Okay enough about Tex and his entourage

But that's what the thread is about. 😅 😂 🤣 🥲

beauders said:

Not only did Tex marry and have children, he had four children. That offended Mrs. Tate she felt he had abused the system

Well, she was wrong. He didn't abuse the system. The system should never have allowed conjugal visits in the first place. But it did, it was law, and so Watson didn't abuse it. With 4 kids to show as evidence, one could argue that he upheld it !
No pun intended.

I hear Kristin and Tex broke up when she found out he was getting blow jobs from other inmates

Even the most hated person in TLB {which, arguably, Watson is} doesn't deserve that kind of rumour when it can't be verified. Even supposing it was true, unless he told her so, how could she ever know what he did in jail ? It's not the kind of thing that would end up in the prison gazette.
I don't believe the story because it is so improbable. For one thing, she was pretty quick into a new relationship, which would be mighty convenient.

beauders said...

Now Grim, this man is a mass murderer, he killed a very far along pregnant woman. I don't think him cheating on his wife because he cannot have sex with her, is all that unbelievable. He's a jerk, I don't remember where I heard but it seemed truthful enough for me to believe it. It was not something I heard from Bill Nelson, even though Nelson's book on Watson is more accurate than not. So, since I cannot remember the source, let's call it a rumor. Kristen did remarry very quickly, but I believe she did that because she was in love with the guy before she ended it with Watson. I don't think she would cheat on Tex, but she had known the guy a while. Kristin is a real Christian. I had a friend who told her about Nelson's molestation of that little girl, and she told him "We don't rejoice in another's fall." Now this guy had been hounding her for years, making her life very difficult, trying to get Tex in trouble, and had been a pain in her ass, yet she did not rejoice in his fall. That says something about her faith. I respect Kristin, and am glad she dumped Watson and found someone else, someone she can truly spend her life with.

grimtraveller said...

beauders said...

this man is a mass murderer, he killed a very far along pregnant woman. I don't think him cheating on his wife because he cannot have sex with her, is all that unbelievable

It's not at all unbelievable, in the sense that it could happen. Yeah, it could happen. But it's improbable. I think, as in Bruce's case, and in Bobby's first marriage in the jailhouse, there's more to the story than any rumour is going to tell us. Bobby and Bruce have been quite forthcoming as to why their marriages broke up. So at least if one repeats what they said, one isn't going on rumour and slur parading as fact.
The Tex rumours primarily get aired because he's a hated character.

I don't remember where I heard but it seemed truthful enough for me to believe it....I cannot remember the source

I seem to recall you once saying that the source was some guy that you bought some memorabilia from or was selling some or something like that.

Kristen did remarry very quickly, but I believe she did that because she was in love with the guy before she ended it with Watson. I don't think she would cheat on Tex, but she had known the guy a while

Hmmm....

Kristin is a real Christian. I had a friend who told her about Nelson's molestation of that little girl, and she told him "We don't rejoice in another's fall." Now this guy had been hounding her for years, making her life very difficult, trying to get Tex in trouble, and had been a pain in her ass, yet she did not rejoice in his fall. That says something about her faith

I don't know her, but one's faith in Christ is lived out in the real world and one has to look at the totality of one's living in order to determine what their faith may or may not be. The jury is out on Kristin because some of her actions {including the dumping of her husband and going off with another, that she happened to "be in love with"}, well, let's just say, would merit much debate in Christian circles.
Fortunately {or unfortunately, depending on how one looks at it}, God doesn't require a jury.

katie8753 said...

Yeah...this is nonsense. My opinion is that a "real Christian" would have steered as far away from Tex as was possible.

Beauders, how did Kristin and Tex get together? Was Tex on the "eligible list" at her Church? What compelled her to even go see him?

That's one thing I wonder about. Why would women marry convicted killers? Are they just trying to get attention? That's the only thing I can think of.

It's not just the Manson Family. Women have flocked to the Menendez Bros, who murdered their parents for money, Drew Peterson, who murdered his wives, Scott Peterson, who killed his wife and son, and even Ted Bundy!

Not to mention Rosemary's daughter who tried to get Tex out of prison.

I'm sorry, I don't see the "Christian values" in hooking up with a man who killed anyone! Don't tell me they were trying to "save their souls". Having sex with these men "saves them"? Wasn't there a young woman who befriended Charlie and wanted to marry him???

So Kristin had children with Tex, then got upset about a blow job, meanwhile seeing another man that was more suitable, meaning that HE WASN'T IN PRISON FOR MURDER!!! I guess she "saw the light". After that she had to get rid of Tex, and finding out he did a "blow job" gave her incentive.

I'm sorry, I don't buy that Christian crap! Is it Christian to have children with a murderer and having your children hang their heads in shame for their parentage for the rest of their lives?

GET OUTTA HERE!

katie8753 said...

This whole thing reminds me of Seinfeld when George was dating a convict and he said "he knew where she was at night and didn't have to worry about a Pop-In." HA HA!

sunset77 said...

Apparently, the prison guard that helped Casey White to escape did commit suicide. There is a censored video that appears to show police dragging her body through the sun roof after removing the gun from her hand--Vicky White somewhat graphic video

grimtraveller said...

katie8753 said:

My opinion is that a "real Christian" would have steered as far away from Tex as was possible

Not necessarily. It depends upon a number of variables. If you are talking romantically, then yeah, that's what most of us would think, especially if feelings had developed before she actually met him.

What compelled her to even go see him?

Curiosity, loneliness, moth to the lighthouse, attraction to the rough and bad, hybristophilia, stupidity, feeling inconsequential and irrelevant in life, a martyr complex, a messianic complex, or maybe she was with some sort of church outreach programme that visited prisoners in jail to give them some sort of hope, rather like what Ray Hoekstra and Suzan LaBerge were doing, and then she genuinely fell in love and found something in him that no one else ever had.

Why would women marry convicted killers?

I never underestimate the power of that feeling of belonging, even to the worst of us.

Not to mention Rosemary's daughter who tried to get Tex out of prison

That was not connected with romantic love. I think Suzan LaBerge was living out her beliefs there and in terms of forgiveness and befriending someone she had every right to hate and gain revenge on, I think her actions were commendable and brilliant and as a Christian, I will never criticize her that. For going to bat for Watson at a parole hearing, I can understand why she did it, but I think her immaturity as a Christian was showing there. 20 years wasn't a sufficient period for what he had done.

I'm sorry, I don't see the "Christian values" in hooking up with a man who killed anyone!

That's because, bottom line, you don't believe in God's kind of forgiveness. It's a forgiveness that is easy to talk about, even easy to admire for some, but a different matter altogether when applied to reality.
Most difficult things are not really that hard to do ~ until one has to actually do them.

Don't tell me they were trying to "save their souls"

You know, sometimes, I think they were. Personally I think it's naive, but on the odd occasion, it has successfully worked. And it's like a lot of things in life, if something works once, the more optimistic among us see that it can be done and so go for it. And even more so with God in the picture. Because he can inspire great feats in ordinary human life, it's easy to hide one's selfishness behind so called faith in the Lord.

Having sex with these men "saves them"?

Urgh, no !🤢
It's a little deeper and more complex than that.

Wasn't there a young woman who befriended Charlie and wanted to marry him???

Yeah. She wasn't a Christian, but she came from a Christian household. She was what the Rolling Stones in the 60s would have described as a good girl that liked a bit of rough.
Most people that knew about Star, wondered what her motives were.

sunset77 said:

Apparently, the prison guard that helped Casey White to escape did commit suicide

It even made the papers here in England.

katie8753 said...

It's my opinion that women who marry convicted killers have something wrong with them. There's something wrong with being attracted to evil. Even Richard Ramirez got married.

Tex can't blame these murders on drugs or Charlie. A lot of people take drugs and don't kill people. He proved without a shadow of a doubt that he was independent of Charlie, BEFORE & AFTER the murders. He split from CA long before Susan blabbed.

The best thing that Tex could ever do at this point would be to just tell the truth for once.

beauders said...

Katie, Kristen read Tex's book and was curious went to meet him, they fell in love and they married. Kristen was very young and probably very naive. The kids seem to love Watson, they are all Christian's and live close to the prison. One of went to some prestigious Christian College on scholarship. I cannot remember the name of the school but it had a persons name in it. I think it was Ed Sanders who said that women should not be judged for the men they fall for and I see Kristen in that light. She did not have an easy time of it. She raised four children pretty much on her own, homeschooling all of them. She was on assistance from the state of California and I believe Watson's parent's helped, and they did run a Christian charity that brought in donations. This woman also had Bill Nelson on her ass, and he was terrible burden on her. He messed with her financial life trying to get her off assistance. He stalked her and told his crazy stories to people in her life. I was on the receiving of Nelson's anger and experienced him trying to cause trouble for me at work. He knew where I worked because I sent him some salt water taffy with a business label on it. Kristen is not Tex and neither were their children. She did not deserve this.

beauders said...

I think it was Bob something University that the Watson son went to.

beauders said...

I think Quinn might actually kill Donna. Katie.

beauders said...

Jeez, a woman killed her two children and herself today and across town a thirteen year old girl was found murdered in a stream, why do I watch the news? Happily tomorrow my pregnant niece finds out if she's having a boy or girl. My guess a boy as we have a lot of girls in my family.

Fullbug said...

Here's my __ degree of contact with Watson. My long term contractor, who was from San Luis Obispo, knew a guy who was in a punk rock band with one of Tex Watson's kids in SLO. He said that it was supposed to be sort of a secret, but pretty much everyone in the local music scene knew who his dad was.

katie8753 said...

If Quinn kills Donna that would be a sigh of relief. I can't stand Donna!

Doug said...

Did you get the band's name?

Cool "fun fact"

Cheers

beauders said...

The name of the band would be cool, I'm surprised Kristen and Tex would allow their son to be in a punk band, with Tex's history and all.

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Fullbug said...

I don't know the name of the band. I want to find my old contractor and resume our friendship, he's a great guy. I think he returned to California and I moved too and we lost touch. I've tried to find him in California but no luck so far. Unfortunately he has a pretty common first and last name, so that complicates things. He's from San Luis Obispo and so I think he's probably back in that area.

beauders said...

Katie, the actress who play Sheila just signed a contract with B&B so she's not going to prison soon, unless they have a prison set.

katie8753 said...

Beauders, today Sheila threatened Steffy, Taylor & Ridge that they "haven't seen the last of her".

I saw on the news that the actress who plays Sheila is up for an Emmy award or some kind of Daytime Drama award. I guess they like all that whispering!!!

What is Tex's son's name? Maybe we can find that band on You Tube or Google.

beauders said...

I do not know any of the Watson children's name. Maybe someone else does, even though in this case maybe we shouldn't know.