Friday, May 24, 2019

"Christopher the Weimaraner" submitted by William Weston

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Christopher, Rudi Altobelli’s big Weimaraner, took his job as guard dog seriously. The morning after the murders, when police officers DeRosa, Whisenhut, and Burbridge came to the guest house, they saw William Garretson looking out a window. They told him to freeze. Christopher meanwhile was barking furiously. When they opened the door to the guest house, Christopher charged Whisenhut and chomped on his leg (according to Sanders p. 224, chomped on the end of a shotgun according to Bugliosi page 32). Whisenhut had to slam the door on the dog’s head and trap him there until Garretson called him off.
Garretson was employed as Rudi's caretaker in mid-March 1969. He had the task of taking care of Rudi's three dogs, Christopher and two poodles. All three dogs were in the guest house during the time the murders were taking place.

Four months earlier, on March 23, Charles Manson knocked on the door of the main house and Hatami, Sharon’s friend, answered the door. Manson was directed to the guest house where Rudi Altobelli was living. At that time he was not there. Manson returned in the evening and Rudi was home. According to Rudi, he was taking a shower when Christopher started barking and alerted him that someone was at the door. The dog had a certain kind of people bark when people approached. Putting on a robe, Rudi opened the door. Manson tried to introduce himself, but Rudi said “I know who you are, Charlie.” Manson asked if he knew where Terry Melcher was living. Rudi said Melcher moved to Malibu.

Manson must have seen the Weimaraner and witnessed his aggressive tendencies. Four months later, on August 8, he surely knew that Christopher was a factor to be reckoned with, if his Helter Skelter plan was to succeed. I am suggesting that on March 23, Manson also met Garretson as well as Altobelli and received some kind of assurance that the three dogs would be kept confined in the guest house and not cause trouble while the murders were taking place.

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katie8753 said...

Who is this "small group"?

William Weston said...

The reason why the Tate-LaBianca murders had to be done the way that they were done was to launch a race war between whites and blacks. Manson wanted gruesome murders that left clues pointing to black power groups like the Black Panthers. That was the reason for scrawling "Death to Pigs" in victims' blood. A black-white race war has been the dream of white supremacists for decades. Since so much political weight was riding on the Tate-LaBianca murders, the kill operation had to be smooth with no mistakes. That was why the victims had to be watched with military precision.

Charles Manson was a white supremacist. “Charles Manson was one of the most virulent racists that ever walked the planet,” said Jeff Guinn, author of Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson.

Tex told Chet Starkey that the Tate-LaBianca murders were "a test for something bigger than ripping off a few people. That's when he [Manson] told me of the plan to choose three large cities on the West Coast and subject them to a massive plot, a plot to frighten and terrorize their entire populations, to literally scare the people out of their wits."

This was not some horrible fantasy dreamed up by Manson. According to General William P. Yarborough, Army Asst. Chief of Staff of Intelligence, because of the political power that characterized the Black Panthers and anti-war radical hippies, America was very close to civil war in the 1960s, and the military had made extensive preparations for it. Yarborough has the notorious reputation of overseeing the surveillance of black leaders and giving the orders to organize the assassination of Martin Luther King.

Destroyer of Opinions said...

William Weston, I disagree. Couldn’t Manson have used better ways to start a race war—i.e. taunt black people (especially the Black Panthers)? Calling cops “pigs” was common among recalcitrant youths in the 60s. It was not something exclusive to blacks. So many things refute the argument that Manson wished to start a race war. Bugliosi injected a racial element in the case that didn’t exist—just as Johnnie Cochran did 25 years later in the OJ case. I also think that people at Spahn Ranch dispute the notion that Manson was a racist or hoped to start a race war. Manson could’ve done so many different things if he wished to start a race war (use racial taunts toward blacks, kill blacks and blame it on whites, kill white people in areas where black people would go, etc.).

Destroyer of Opinions said...

If somebody believes the Helter Skelter theory, it makes me question their willingness to think for themselves.

Mon Durphy said...

What I did was give the Helter Skelter theory the benefit of the doubt and I gave it a look to see if it made any sense or it was based on any type of logic by looking at the evidence, the homicide reports, witness statements and interviews, what the different players motivations could be for saying what they did and for me it was nothing more than Charlie speak for getting the younger members of the group to be willing to go out to Barker and more importantly to STAY there when the going got tough with the extreme weather, lack of food, less drugs than at Spahn, etc, HS made ZERO sense to me as a motive for the murders

Mon Durphy said...

Probably the biggest factor against HS as a motive besides drugs being so obvious the factor is WHY did the murders stop Aug 10th? They had 5 days between the Labiancas killings and the ranch raid to commit more murders ESPECIALLY when it appeared that police weren't connecting the crimes and rounding up all kinds of black people for questioning

Mon Durphy said...

Even mainstream recording acts like Joni Mitchell were using "pig" in songs like California, "I'll even kiss a Sunset pig"

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beauders said...

William, who is your source for the Tex and Chet Starkey conversation and why should we believe it?

katie8753 said...

Good stuff y'all. I'm too tard to wiggle anymore. I'll just say night!!

William Weston said...

The source for the Tex-Starkey conversation is at the link below

http://leslievanhouten.com/1978-article--tex-watson.html

When I first read Tex talking about “ripping off a few people”, I thought it had something to do with stealing money and valuables.

From Gregg Jakboson’s testimony we find out what ripping off really means.

Q: Did Mr. Manson ever tell you how helter-skelter was going to start?
A: Yes.
Q: How?
A: He said that some blacks would go into some white homes and really rip the people off, to use his words.
Q: What does the term "rip off" mean?
A: Well, I mean really rip off, to scatter limbs and hang them from the ceiling and so on. I remember that, because it was quite a picture.

William Weston said...

Tate-LaBianca was meant to be a provocation act that appeared to be done by black militants when it was actually done by whites who hated blacks. With more such murders, as Tex described to Starkey, white people would become terrified and alarmed, consequently giving their approval or acquiescence to a police and/or military crackdown on black radicals and their leftist friends with mass arrests and imprisonment.

In covert action parlance this would be called a false flag operation, where the perpetrators create the deceptive appearance that another group was responsible for the act. According to Manson, the word “pigs” scrawled in blood on the walls of homes owned by white people would be seen as referring to the “white middleclass businessman” (Gregg Jakobson’s testimony). According to Linda Kasabian, Manson had wanted a black to find Rosemary’s wallet and use the credit cards, so blacks would be blamed for the murders. Of course, the fact that the wallet ended up in a service station toilet in a white neighborhood does not negate the point I am making regarding Manson’s intentions.

Destroyer of Opinions said...

Mon Durphy said it best about HS being a preposterous motive at best

Mon Durphy said...

Starkey was Texs fellow inmate who had made his infamous "these people don't know what bad is, I plunged a knife into a pregnant woman heart, I was the executioner" problem with stuff like this obviously is 1) you don't know what the guys motivation for claiming this and 2) it's said AFTER the fact, meaning the whole world already knew what happened with the murders, my opinion is the more outrageous and provocative a statement coming from a fellow convict the more self serving it is, I have my doubts such a conversation ever took place

Mon Durphy said...

If Tex had made the statement in say October 69 to a fellow inmate (hypothetically) before the gory details had been released to the public, kind of like Susan's Sybil Brand confessions it would be believable but not 1978 or whatever year it was

Mon Durphy said...

I've always wondered why Linda would put the wallet inside the bowl instead of on top of it where it would have been picked up in 10 minutes as opposed to months later, my theory is she was stashing it to come back for later in her way out of state

Bobby said...

Hi Katie, looks like an explanation to all this bullshit is not forthcoming. Too bad , I was hoping to get some details. Bobby5

katie8753 said...

Hi Bobby! Me Too!

katie8753 said...

William, I don't buy into that Chet Starkey conversation. It's not verified, and I personally don't believe it ever happened. Funny how Tex got so chatty.

This stuff looks like it's trying to make Charlie look like a Double Naught Spy! HA HA.

katie8753 said...

Tex "says" that they picked the LaBianca House because they were wealthy. I wouldn't depict them as wealthy. The Labiancas were in a lot of debt. Leno owed a lot of money on horse betting. And Leno was taking money out of the grocery chain to make ends meet.

And that boat wasn't even paid for. They were making payments on it.

And please don't say Rosemary was a millionaire. That absolutely doesn't make any sense. If Rosemary had millions of dollars, do you think that Leno would have taken money from the grocery chain to pay bills instead of bilking her bank account?

AND, they were living in Leno's mother's house!!! Do you think for one minute that if Rosemary had millions of dollars she would be living in an old house that belonged to Leno's mother???

katie8753 said...

If Tex wanted to hit a "rich person's house" why not hit Peter Sellers' house, or Steve McQueen's house, or Charles Bronson's house. Those were big movie stars of the sixties.

Why hit Rosemary and Leno LaBianca's house? They were living in his mother's house because they couldn't afford their own house!!!!

That doesn't make any sense!

katie8753 said...

BTW, Sharon was NOT a big movie star. I never even heard of her until she was killed. I never heard of Roman either.

Mon Durphy said...

Compared to living in filth at Spahn Ranch the Labiancas were very wealthy

Mon Durphy said...

All we're doing is discussing the case, an "explanation" has been talked about for 50 years and will probably be discussed for 50 more

Mon Durphy said...

I agree, it's simply so unlike Tex and here's the reason, I think Tex is such a narcissist that admitting and talking about such a scumbagish crime like killing a pregnant woman would be like him admitting he's a bad person and people like Tex want people to look up to him, there was a movie about Gary Ridgeway the Green River Killer and there was a scene where 2 detectives go to question him about raping a woman and Gary got very insulted and as the 2 cops were leaving one said "he did it" and the other cop said "how do you know?" and the cop said "did you see his face when he denied the rape?" and the other cop said "I'd do the same thing" and the other cop says "yes but you'd look disgusted because the thought of it makes you sick, he looked disgusted because he thought we'd think he was a bad person"

Mon Durphy said...

I agree and I think she was going to stay on the B movie level or possibly TV shows, she just had the luck of being EXTREMELY beautiful and also unique looking, I can't remember alot of brown eyes blondes in movies past

Mon Durphy said...

I think the 2.6 million figure of Rosemary's fortune is accurate and here's why, I think Rosemary had been bleeding Leno since they married in 59, otherwise why had Leno been skimming from Gateway since 61-62, think about it, they have a house that's nearly paid for completely, they made good money selling the Working Way place, yes Leno was betting on horses but not enough to leave him broke

Destroyer of Opinions said...

Does anyone think Tex killed Steven Parent via orders from Charlie? Because credible accounts say that murder was spontaneous.

katie8753 said...

Oh please Mon, give me a break! The LaBiancas got run out of the house they were living in (the Walt Disney house) because they defaulted on the loan. That's why Mama LaBianca let them live in her family house.

If Rosemary had 2.6 million dollars, don't you think she could have come up with a better house than the old LaBianca family home?

That place sucked!

She could have been living in some Hollywood mansion. Why settle for that?

Have you ever been relegated to living in your mother in law's house? The lip you would have to endure.

Do you think for one minute that Rosemary would have "settled" for that if she had $2.6 million dollars. Back then $2.6 million would have bought a 12-bedroom, 12-bathroom mansion in the Hollywood Hills. Instead of living in a 2-bedroom 1-bath "Bungalo" on Waverly Drive.

Don't you think that if Rosemary had been "bleeding" Leno for years he would have noticed?

katie8753 said...

DOO I think Tex killed Parent on his own. I can't imagine Charlie even knowing Parent was there.

katie8753 said...

How affluent could Waverly Drive be if some crum bum hippy like Harold True was living next door? Think about it.

Mon Durphy said...

So she's going to spend all her fortune on 1 house just to say she lives in a 10 bedroom mansion in Beverly Hills? People have things like retirements to think about, the problem with most people is everybody wants to live beyond their means

beauders said...

Katie I always heard the LaBianca's bought the Waverly house from Leno's mother, do you know something I don't? I've been thinking about the dogs at Cielo and I don't think they were drugged mainly because why keep it a secret? These people just butchered five people why would they not say they drugged the dogs? If the dogs were drugged it would have to be done by the people that gave Garretson the ride up the hill. I'm not buying any of this conspiracy stuff, I think Garretson and the dogs were not on the property when the murders were occuring.

katie8753 said...

Mon you think Rosemary was thinking about retirement? You just said she was ripping off her old man! I think she and her "brood" were killing Leno day by day.

I was just saying with that kind of money she could have a real mansion, but mainly I was saying that she didn't have to "settle" for her mother in law's house, which was anything but "fancy". If you look at the pictures, it looks more like a "trailer house" than a "wealthy house". And my point was, Tex said they killed the LaBiancas because they were "wealthy". If that was the case, why not kill "wealthy folks".

katie8753 said...

Beauders, I think they were paying Leno's mother for the house with payments. Don't think it was paid for yet.

I don't think the dogs were drugged either, and I'm not buying into this conspiracy stuff either.

Garretson admits that he went into hiding. Where? I don't know. But it's not hard to get dogs to hide with you. Although it is hard to keep dogs from barking.

Mon Durphy said...

Harold didn't own 3267, a woman named Julie Posella owned it and rented it to Harold and his roomates, Ernie Baltzell, Harry Yost and Allen Swerdloff

katie8753 said...

Well if you rent to scumbags, it turns the neighborhood into a scumbag neighborhood. Shame on Julie.

Mon Durphy said...

Atkins claims she saw a "large hunting type dog" during the killings when she looked out on of the windows, there was some speculation that Susan had been to Cielo to swim in the pool with Frykowski and Folger which could be one reason Abigail waved at Susan when she was walking through the house and possibly why the dog didn't bark when he saw her

Mon Durphy said...

I wouldnt call Harold a scumbag, he was a college student who was involved in the Peace Corps

beauders said...

Hey guys I forgot earlier, there is a new book out titled, "Inside the Manson Jury: From deliberation to Death." Herman Tubick is the author. It was put out by his daughter as Tubick passed in 1985. I would think Grim would like it as he liked the Baer book on the jury. where is Grim by the way.

beauders said...

And another book "Charles Manson and the Killing of Shorty Shea, " by Edwin Colin and Deb Silva. They have a facebook page with instructions on how to purchase. The facebook page is the title of the book.

Destroyer of Opinions said...

Katie,
Many sources (including Bugliosi himself, I think) claim that Charlie didn’t know Parent would come on the scene. The fact that Tex murdered Parent for the sake of it is more of indictment on him than it is on a Charlie. To call Tex Watkins a monster is an understatement.

Mon Durphy said...

I think it's safe to say by the time the murders happened that Tex was a full blown amphetamine addict, a desenstaization to violence is one of the hallmark signs of amphetamine addiction as anyone who has known someone addicted to meth can tell you

William Weston said...

katie8753 said...
Tex "says" that they picked the LaBianca House because they were wealthy. I wouldn't depict them as wealthy. The Labiancas were in a lot of debt.


It could be that a couple may be considered wealthy in the sense of the social class they occupy without reference to how much money is in their bank account. As president of Gateway Markets, Leno certainly would have stood high enough in someone like Tex's mind to qualify him as "wealthy".

Leno went to his mother to help him with his debts. Although she could well afford to do so, she would only help him in so far that she would pay the balance after he used his shares in the company to pay the debts. She probably thought that Leno needed a lesson in financial responsibility. Living in his mother's cheap house might also have been another discipline imposed on Leno.

Mon Durphy said...

That was not a "cheap" house by any means, the property value alone is what made it most valuable, the house next door, the old Earle C Anthony estate just got purchased by Katie Perry for 14 million bucks

Mon Durphy said...

William, Leno was scheduled to meet with his mother and brother in law DeSantis who was a partner in Gateway on Monday the 11th but obviously we know what happened, I'm pretty sure they were going to talk about setting up a plan for Leno to unload his stocks, Leno was wanting to get out of LA after all the weird break ins to 3301 Waverly while they would be out of town, they would come back and furniture had been moved around, dogs would be outside instead of inside but nothing stolen, sound familiar? My guess is the place was being creepy crawled, Manson has admitted that him and members of the group had been inside the house while partying at Harold's next door to use the place for sex and getting high, both Leno and Rosemary were getting scared and Leno had money down on a ranch in Vista, CA

katie8753 said...

William when your debt far outweighs your assets, you aren't considered "wealthy".

Leno had every advantage in life, but chose to throw it all away, I guess on bad horse racing bets, or maybe on just a lavish lifestyle. He was anything but "wealthy". If Tex didn't know the difference between "wealthy" and "broke" then that makes him a bigger idiot than I thought.

katie8753 said...

Mon, what Katie Perry does at any time EVER doesn't interest me in the least, but I guess she caught your eye. If Katie Perry purchased that house for $14 MIL, then either (a) property prices have gone up 1 million fold since 1969, or (b) somebody saw her coming.

I chose (b).

Mon Durphy said...

You make Leno out to be a total failure in life because of some gambling, the man served in WW2 got a degree from USC and at least for a little while was able to manage 4-5 supermarkets, not excusing his gambling but come on

katie8753 said...

Leno was living hand to mouth, borrowing from Peter to pay Paul.

He didn't have any money. PERIOD! He was on his last leg trying to do the "bait & switch" with the bankers and anyone else who was hanging over his head wanting money.

This "notion" that Manson chose LaBianca because he was "wealthy" is just plain silly. I don't think Manson was that stupid. Or maybe other people do.

katie8753 said...

Mon, I'm not saying that Leno was just a total waste of sperm! I know he had accomplishments during his life. I don't know what the downward spiral was.

I'm talking about the last year of his life. And we all know that he FAILED in the money-making department.

That's a GIVEN!

katie8753 said...

You know, Alice LaBianca says nothing but nice things about Leno.

I think that Rosemary was edging him on to make more money because she was needy-greedy, and he got into some money making things that weren't working. I have no proof of that, but I don't care for Rosemary. I think she was pretty skanky. Just my opinion.

And I don't care for her skanky daughter Suzanne. That's a whole nother story.

katie8753 said...

Thanks Beauders for the book info.

I'm not sure what happened to Grim. He's probably mad at me because I told him to stop being such a DICK!

katie8753 said...

The biggest part of the LaBianca house is the driveway and yard. The rest of it is squalor.

You have this big driveway and yard (1.5...2 acres?) and this teensy house at the top of the hill. Who would want that? You'd have to buy a riding lawn mower to mow all that, or hire illegals.

Mon Durphy said...

He wasn't a failure in the money MAKING department, he was a failure in the money KEEPING Dept, without the gambling he and Rosemary would have had a nice nest egg for themselves, according to the homicide report Leno was spending 500 bucks per day at the race track in 1969 money, that adds up eventually

katie8753 said...

https://la.curbed.com/2017/11/16/16666914/katy-perry-battle-nuns-los-feliz-convent

katie8753 said...

Mon why would he spend $500/day at the race track? I think it was because Rosemary was bitching at him.

It doesn't matter how much money you make, if you spend 10 times that. And if your wife is always nagging you about money, I guess you have to take chances.

Hey, now it sounds like you're degrading Leno.

Mon Durphy said...

Let's put it this way Charlie wasn't stupid but there is no way he could know what Leno had or didn't have, like I said before compared to the squalor at the ranch and Charlie's upbringing Leno may as well have been Jeff Bezos, to Charlie any middle aged White people with a home, vehicles, boat and visible means of support was doing FAR better than he ever had and that represented "establishment" to him, everything in life is relative, I grew up in a small town in Indiana in the 70s and 80s and we were one of the more well off families in town, I remember having friends come over to visit and spend the night and them being amazed that we had color TV, VCR, microwave, dishwasher, new bicycles, all things even at that time were fairly common

Mon Durphy said...

No I think he spent 500 bucks per day at the track because you're a gambling addict, something about the rush of betting and waiting on the outcome effects chemicals in your brain like dopamine and serotonin just like drug addicts and alcoholics

Mon Durphy said...

She spent 2.6 million JUST ON THE COURT CASE, then after winning bought the house for 14.5 million

katie8753 said...

Well I thought Charlie was smart and thought everything out. If he just "eyeballs" folks and thinks they're rich, then he was not as "existential" as we thought.

Mario George Nitrini 111 said...

Yes Ms Katie, you say:

"And I don't care for her skanky daughter Suzanne. That's a whole nother story."

YES, Suzan LaBerge & Satan Slave biker, Joe Dorgan?
"IS" a
"whole nother story."

Mario George Nitrini 111
----
The OJ Simpson Case

katie8753 said...

She bought a house from under some nuns.....

katie8753 said...

Yes Mario, Suzanne is a whole nother story. We never found out her agenda. I have my opinions. She's definitely a skank.

And I have to say, both of Rosemary's children had police reports on them. Poor Leno didn't have any idea what he was gettin' into when he said "I do" to Rosemary.

Mario George Nitrini 111 said...

Yes Ms Katie,
We do not know Suzan LaBerge's complete agenda. But💰money is definitely at the top of the list, IMO.

Mario George Nitrini 111
------
The OJ Simpson Case

Mon Durphy said...

Charlie was a lifetime con, no more, no less, he was a product of the penal system, he had no special powers, he was a broken little man

beauders said...

Mario as far as I know it has never been established that Joe Dorgan was a Straight Satan, just that he had a motorcycle. Do you have a source?
Katie you called Grim a DICK, you naughty girl. Do you just not care for hippies, or is there something about Harold True and roommates that you don't like? I find Harold True to be quite humorous on that recording with Bill Nelson's friend. Speaking of Nelson he is the person that started all the questions about Suzan LaBerge. He stalked her and I have a copy of his film doing it. Last I heard LaBerge was a Born Again Christian. I don't know what the true motive of standing up for Tex was, maybe she's just plain crazy, but that doesn't mean she was involved in anyway with the murders. It was Nelson who started all this about LaBerge which makes me believe the opposite. At best Nelson was mentally ill, at worst a scumbag who enjoyed sex with young teenage girls. Nelson was just trying to slam the woman because she wouldn't work him. He threatened me too, when I wouldn't play nice any longer. I then filed Federal Mail Fraud charges against him and that took him out of the Manson world. If anyone does receive things in the mail that aren't as described Federal Mail Fraud charges typically scare the person to return your money at the least, I used it three times and I was taken care of each time, so don't let people get away with things like that.

katie8753 said...

Well Mon, that's my point. If he was such a "broken little man" why did he try and determine the "rich" from the "poor" and determine the fate of the world?

Maybe, just maybe, he was just a silly little con man who controlled a group of misfit teenagers/young adults who were broken because they were too fucking lazy to get a fucking job, and tried to mesmerize them into thinking he was some kind of "God".

That's "text book cult behavior". It's nothing new. Cult leaders have been doing that shit for years.

Boom!

Mario George Nitrini 111 said...

Ms beauders,
I have a source (Joe Dorgan). I would not publicly reveal the source without this person's permission.
Joe Dorgan was not a Straight
Satan,
HE WAS A SATAN SLAVE.

Mario George Nitrini 111
------
The OJ Simpson Case

katie8753 said...

Beauders, I called Grim a Dick because he was acting like one. He stated that he didn't care if anyone objected to his tearing everyone apart, that "wasn't his problem".

I care about the people on this blog, and I won't have them intimidated by him or anyone else.

Harold True is funny to listen to, but I wouldn't want him living next door to me. He was a cantankerous curmudgeon. He sounds to me like he doesn't like anyone. If he went to college, it's a mystery to me, he sounds like he dropped out of third grade. I can't imagine him planting flowers or making the neighborhood a safer and better place.

But that's just me.

I'm not basing any of my opinions of LaBerge on Bill Nelson. I don't know Bill Nelson. Never met him. Never will.

I'm basing my opinions of her on the police report and her actions to try and get Tex Watson released from prison. I know that she and Rosemary fought all the time about Dorgan. He was evidently involved in some kind of gang. It's in the police report.

And the fact that she tried to get Tex released from prison (the man who killed her mother) not only puts chills down my spine, but makes me want to PUKE!

There's definitely something wrong with Suzanne LaBerge!!!

Mon Durphy said...

We all make judgements on the rich and poor of the world, if you say you haven't done it you're lying your ass off, EVERYONE has looked over in traffic at someone driving a better car than them, driven by a far bigger newer house than ours, seen someone better dressed than us, etc and said to ourselves "they have to have had a secret, parents with money, good connections, etc"

beauders said...

I would say LaBerge is crazy, look what she has been through and what she did, she tried to help the man who butchered her mother. A far as True he was bitter about the Manson stuff because as he said it ruined his life. He was a graduate student when he was hanging out with Manson and after all the Manson garbage he joined the Peace Corps to help people.

Mon Durphy said...

Namely The Archdiocese of Los Angeles for 14 million bucks, so this raggedy neighborhood must have some value

beauders said...

Mon neighborhoods change. the LaBianca house did not look well kept, "raggedy" as you say and rather small. I would wonder what the other houses in neighborhood looked like at the time?

katie8753 said...

Well Mon, I may look over in traffic and see someone has a nice car, but I sure don't make plans to make sure they die because they have money.

That's just plain stupid!

And I don't know which house Katie Perry bought out from under some nuns, but I hope it was worth every penny she paid for it, because when it comes time to re-sell it, she might be sucking lemons.

And, as a no-talent hack like her knows, it's a "hard sell".

beauders said...

Katie, Van Houten has a web page at www.LeslieVanHouten.com. I know you're a fan, not and might enjoy checking it out.

katie8753 said...

Thanks Beauders. I'll do that tomorrow. I'm heading to bed. Night y'all!

Mon Durphy said...
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Destroyer of Opinions said...

I can think of many artists that make Katy Perry sound epic.

beauders said...

Someone in California needs to find Suzan LaBerge and ask her why she tried to help Watson get out of prison. Katie when you go to Van Houten web page make sure you read the section on Watson 1978, I am curious about your opinion.

katie8753 said...

Well I don't believe that Starkey stuff. It's too convenient that Tex would blab all that to an inmate, but yet do everything he could to keep the Tex Tapes from being released.

And here we go again about how "innocent" Leslie is. It's funny how she admittedly "begged with her eyes" to be included on the 2nd night of killing, knowing full well that people were going to die. And after the murders she laughed about killing, saying the more she stabbed the more "fun it was". And yet Tex describes her as "a wet rag on the floor", and she claims that she only "stabbed a dead lady 16 times".

I'm assuming that the reason that story is on that website is to try and make Leslie look innocent. I'm not buying it.

Mon Durphy said...

The last thing you want to do in prison is brag about killing a woman or a child or worse in Texs case (a pregnant woman), you're pretty much putting a target on your back

katie8753 said...

Yeah Mon that's what I've always heard.

Mon Durphy said...

He already had a Mexican guy about half his size stab him and almost throw him off the second tier cell block a few years ago

Mon Durphy said...

There was proof at the scene of Rosemary crawling a couple of feet on the floor before she died, that tells me that it was AFTER Leslie's stabfest I don't care if her pulse was 20 and she had 2 breaths of life yet when Leslie stabbed her, that's murder

katie8753 said...

Right Mon. Leslie didn't "stab a dead lady" she stabbed Rosemary LaBianca in her last throes of life. 16 TIMES!

Also, Chet Starkey says that Tex said he stabbed Frykowski 51 times in the chest and that the "knife broke off".

First of all, Tex stabbed him a lot more than just the chest. He was pretty much stabbed all over his body. And the knife was broken before they got there. It was the gun that broke while he was hammering it on his head.

beauders said...

Good point Katie.

katie8753 said...

Well I guess I solved the case! No one is arguing with me! Crickets!

I knew I could! Yee-haw!!! HA HA!!!

Destroyer of Opinions said...

As far as the Cielo and Waverly drive murders, does anyone think that Tex and co. were high on drugs the night of those massacres?

Bobby said...

My guess is at least text was on methamphetamine for a prolonged period of time. By the way meth also explains why the men were such sex maniacs as well.

Destroyer of Opinions said...

I think all of them were on drugs the night of the two murders, which is why they couldn’t make both of them look like the Hinman killing.

Mon Durphy said...

Tex and Susan both admitted they were on speed, then add the Belladonna that Tex had been using around that time and you begin to get a clearer picture of why Tex was in the state of mind he was those 2 nights

katie8753 said...

When I watch TV shows that show houses in Los Angeles, there are never any curtains on the windows. There weren't curtains on the windows at Cielo Drive. Is that a Los Angeles thing?

beauders said...

I grew up in Bay Area and we didn't have curtains, but we were way out in the country, I think it has something to do with letting the sun in.

katie8753 said...

That's so different from here. We cover the windows as much as possible to get the sun out.

Having no curtains leads to no privacy. Which is why Parent was able to see Abigail lying in her room reading. I think he said he saw Sharon too, but I don't think there's a window on that side of the house to her bedroom.

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