Friday, November 24, 2017

According to TMZ Manson left a Will.

Story here:

http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/24/charles-manson-will-entire-estate-body-left-to-friend/

Here's the actual Will:
http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/charles-manson-will-02.pdf

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Now there's TWO "unverified" Wills!

Story Here:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/battle-erupts-control-charles-manson-remains-estate-article-1.3654743

33 comments:

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

According to TMZ, Manson left everything to a Pen Pal.

My guess is Michael Channels.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Michael is definitely Charlie's best known Pen Pal.

It also says this "Pen Pal" spoke to Manson on the phone frequently, and visited the prison occasionally.

Channels fitts that description.

I don't know who else it could be...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Also, the Pen Pal is clearly described as a male, in the article.

So, you can eliminate any female possibilities, including "Star".

Besides...
The Will is dated 2002.
I doubt "Star" even knew Manson that far back...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

*fits (not fitts)

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I must say, I'm a bit disappointed by this news.

I was hoping that Manson would be cremated, and his ashes would be scattered in an unmarked spot.

At least that way, this ugly saga would finally be over, and the victims' families could finally have complete closure.

If Manson receives a traditional burial and headstone, mentally deranged freaks will be visiting his gravesite for years to come.

The world doesn't need another demented "pilgrimage spot".

If Charles Manson is the best role model we can produce in 2017, then we're in pretty rough shape.

Freaks will be exhuming Charlie's remains in the middle of the night by torch light.

Good grief!

katie8753 said...

How do you leave your body to someone in a will? And who would want his body? It would cost a lot of money to bury him. Is it against the law to "stuff it" and put it on display? Gross.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

OMG!

The plot thickens:

Ben Gurecki and Matthew Roberts are now claiming that they have a Will of their own! Lmao!

You can't make this shit up! LOL


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/battle-erupts-control-charles-manson-remains-estate-article-1.3654743

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Didn't a DNA test prove (beyond any doubt), that Matthew Roberts IS NOT Charles Manson's son???

This shit is borderline comical.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Well...
We now have 2 supposed Wills.

I wonder if a 3rd and 4th will surface.

I'm not a New York lawyer, but doesn't a Will have to be written by a lawyer... or at least notarized by a "Notary Public"?

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

There’s a battle brewing over the remains and estate of mass murderer Charles Manson.

Reports of two unverified wills surfaced Friday, with each leaving the killer’s estate to a different person.

Manson pal Ben Gurecki told the Daily News he obtained a January 2017 will from Manson and passed it along to Manson’s self-proclaimed “son” Matthew Roberts in March.

He said Roberts was named as the main beneficiary.

Charles Manson’s grandson seeks 'another way' to bury cult leader
“I can assure you Matthew will be handling this,” Gurecki told The News Friday.

“Matthew and I will be there next week in person,” he claimed. “Charlie will be given a headstone, a proper burial where people will be able to grieve, or deface it as they see fit.”

Meanwhile, TMZ.com said Friday it obtained a February 2002 will from an unidentified Manson pen pal that disinherited all Manson relatives.

The mysterious pen pal said he is the sole beneficiary and plans to claim Manson’s body before a 10-day deadline expires next week, TMZ reported.

A court finds Manson and his 'children' guilty in 1971
Gurecki said he doesn’t know who the pen pal is but that the more recent will allegedly signed this year supersedes any that came before it.

The Chicago resident, who has posted recent prison calls with Manson on his YouTube channel, said he plans to meet Roberts in Kern County, Calif., next week.

“There are plans for Charlie’s remains to be handled with dignity and not by the Kern County Coroner,” Gurecki told The News. “(I) will absolutely not let this continue to be a circus.”


Charles Manson's followers killed six people during a terrifying two-night murder spree in August 1969. (CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND REHABILITATION/VIA REUTERS)
Manson, 83, died of natural causes at a hospital in Bakersfield, Calif., on Sunday.

Roberts, 49, is a Los Angeles musician who looks shockingly like Manson and was adopted as an infant. When he found his birth mother in 1998, she told him Manson was his father, according to CNN.

Gurecki claimed he and Roberts have a Tuesday appointment with Hillcrest Memorial Park in Bakersfield. He said they hope to transfer Manson’s remains from the Kern County Coroner to Hillcrest for a “respectful and dignified” cremation paid for by him.

He said calls to coroner fell “on deaf ears” this week, so they hope an in-person visit will “resolve this situation.”

He said they plan to inter Manson’s ashes somewhere the public can visit.

“This is my personal last attempt to help a friend have the proper resting place that he deserves.”

Beyond the two alleged wills, Manson’s grandson Jason Freeman told The News earlier this week he also is interested in claiming Manson’s remains. A GoFundMe account set up this week to underwrite his efforts was shut down Thursday.

Prior attempts to establish a genetic link between Freeman and Roberts were unsuccessful, CNN reported in 2012.

State officials have so far declined to comment on any final wishes left by Manson.


The 'Manson Family' murders
Manson’s estate reportedly could have some value.

The convicted killer was a musician who wrote a Beach Boys song and worked on other projects, including an album released through Gurecki.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

According to the article, Gurecki says that he doesn't know who the Pen Pal is...

I don't know Gurecki from a hole in the wall, but I'm calling BS on that one.

Gurecki doesn't know who Michael Channels is?
Really?

That's ridiculous.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

If I'm following this soap opera correctly, we have:

Michael Channels (Close friend of Manson)

Jason Freeman (Manson's biological Grandson)

Matthew Roberts and Ben Gurecki. (Robert's claims to be Manson's biological son, but DNA has proven otherwise, which makes Roberts nothing more than a delusional quack)

If the choice were mine, I'd release Manson's body to Freeman first, and Channels second.

Freeman is a blood relative of Manson.
That fact should trump all.

Channels is a legitimate friend of Manson.
Say what you want about Michael, but I believe his friendship with Manson is/was real.
I can respect that.

Dilligaf said...

There are several types of wills, and the laws very from state to state. The Wooly Hophead relied on a hand-written will, which is also known as a holographic will. There are Simple Wills, Living Wills, Trust Related Wills, and even Oral Wills (Bill Clinton’s favorite). It will be rather ironic that a Probate Court will have the final say of the Wooly Hopheads remains as well as his estate: Even in death, the Man controls Charles Manson. So much for eternal freedom....

katie8753 said...

Dill! I want you to write my will!

Anybody who would want Manson's body is creepy. Nuff said!

I hate Charles Manson. I'm glad he's dead. I hope that he had to face Doris Tate at the Pearly Gates, except that I don't know if he went "up or down". I'm not in charge of judging Manson, but if he went to hell, Heaven help him because down there, there is no help anymore. The Bible tells us that.

Charles Manson NEVER said, at any time, to ANY of the victims' families, that he was sorry that anyone died.

He likes to claim that he never ordered murders, but he has never apologized to anyone that his "family" misunderstood.

He's a piece of shit. I'm glad he's dead.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Thank You Dilligaf.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Dilligaf:

Here's a copy of the actual Will discussed by TMZ, regarding the "Pen Pal".


http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/charles-manson-will-02.pdf

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

It actually looks pretty official...

katie8753 said...

Manson's son killed himself because he couldn't live with the fact that Manson was his Daddy. Did Manson claim his body? No. Manson only cares about himself. He always did. Why do these people think Manson cares about them?

Manson never cared about the girls he gathered for his family. He never cared about the guys he gathered either. He never cared about George Spahn. He never cared about any of the people that he amassed.

Manson never cared about ANYONE but himself.

sunset77 said...

It's California, hard to say what will happen there. There will probably be a big court battle. I think most states recognize next of kin, a blood relative in these matters. I read Manson's grandson in Florida was going to fly to CA to claim the body. This reminds me of the fight over Casey Kasem's remains. I think his ex-wife and kids are still fighting over it to this day.

I don't know how "legal" a will has to be in CA. I'm thinking many states have a registrar of wills and it has to be registered. I don't know that much about it, I would also guess Michael Channels is the "pen pal". I expected this to happen when he died though.

Marliese said...

This cracks me up. I wonder if any of these people...pen pal, blood relatives etc have any clue what it means to provide "a proper burial" with "a headstone" ... especially people with little of their own other than a claim to an infamous murderer's remains...do they realize the thousands and thousands of dollars a grave, headstone, burial etc will cost? And I doubt cemeteries will be clamoring for his business. I think it'll end up forget this...let the state cremate him. Or maybe an unmarked grave in an unknown cemetery in an unknown town somewhere near the family he once knew. Or a private cremation with God only knows where the cremains finally end up. Meanwhile, at least till ten days have passed since he croaked, Charlie is chilling in a morgue somewhere...lmao. Never a dull moment!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Hi Marliese,

Indeed, it should be interesting to see how this plays out.

I think we have 3 obstacles in play here:

#1) It's always possible, that none of these unverified Wills, will be legally binding. I'm sure the applicable laws vary from state to state.

#2) If a legal battle does ensue among the "beneficiaries", it's gonna cost them money for legal representation and fees. As you suggested, those are resources these folks may, or may not, have.

#3) As you stated:
If a person (or party) does manage to hurdle the first two obstacles (and is granted Manson's body), there's always the daunting expense associated with a "proper burial".

If the legal "beneficiary" doesn't have at least 10k lying around the house, then what?

This could turn into a real shit show.

sunset77 said...

I don't know what a "proper" burial would be for Charles Manson. I'm guessing his family might have problems if they try to have a "christian" burial. I would guess a number of preachers wouldn't speak at his funeral. My dad has been a preacher for many years, he's done many funerals.

Usually, the family contacts the funeral home, they pay a funeral director maybe $10,000 or more. The funeral home sends a hearse to the hospital morgue to get the remains. They take the body back to the funeral home and embalm it and put make up on it if there is to be an open casket viewing. The viewing will be scheduled and the family will come to the funeral home and basically stand around and be sad, sometimes cry.

The day of the funeral, the casket is taken by hearse to the church where it's placed in the front of the sanctuary with the lid of the casket open if that's possible. Preachers and others talk about the life of the deceased, there is usually songs and prayers.

They usually try to get the close family members to leave the sanctuary before the lid of the casket is closed. They usually ask 6 pretty strong men to be pallbearers to carry the casket out of the church and put it into the hearse. I know from several experiences the caskets are heavy and it's hard to walk in dress shoes down steep church steps carrying a 4 or 5 hundred pound casket. You don't want to fall and have that thing land on you.

The funeral procession leaves the church with the hearse in front, all the cars turn their lights on. At one time it was illegal to interrupt a funeral procession, we ran right through stop signs and red lights. At the cemetery the pallbearers and funeral home people carry the casket from the hearse and place it on the mechanism for lowering it into the ground. Graves are dug by backhoe now, but we dug my grandmothers grave (on my mothers side) by hand. It was an all day job in the hot sun with digging bars, picks and shovels. I was too little to do any digging, they had to keep measuring the size of the grave with a tape measure. Legally, it had to be 6 feet deep, I don't remember the other dimensions.

The preacher says some words, my dad has a book of guidelines of what to say for "unusual" circumstances. I thumbed through it once, instances like a gay person commits suicide, or a baby is stillborn. A few songs and prayers, and then usually most people go back to the church for a dinner, it's all pretty sad.

My uncle was cremated a couple of years ago. We had a meeting at the funeral home, but nothing at the church, there was not even a viewing. I don't know why he did that, it is much cheaper, but he had the money and I don't think anyone in our family had ever been cremated. His wife sat at our Thanksgiving table last night.

Arranging a funeral for Charles Manson might be a problem. I doubt if he had anything to do with any church, I would guess some cemeteries might not even allow him in, but usually they just take money, they don't care who is in the grave. Plus, there will be a fight over who controls the body and who will make what arrangements. If someone comes up with enough money for a burial it might happen, but otherwise he will probably be cremated.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Dilligaf,

Are there laws which specify how a deceased body can (and can't) be interred?

I mean...
They can't just cremate Manson via bon fire and bury him in their back yard can they? Lmao

You can't just sprinkle human remains anywhere, can you?

There's gotta be laws in place for this stuff, no?

I'm having visions of Manson being sold piece-by-piece on Ebay...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

All kidding aside...

When it's all said and done, the most respectful interment would probably be executed by the state.

These guys should just "leave well enough alone".

What are they gonna do, pick Manson up in a pickup truck?

Without serious money to spend, this could become a disaster.

Sometimes in life, you have to be realistic.

Manson was a ward of the State his entire life anyway.

This is just a pissing contest over who was Manson's "Bestie".

katie8753 said...

"Manson is the nicest guy anyone ever knew" said Nobody...EVER!! HA HA!!

What cemetery is gonna want Manson's body on its property? There's gonna be 24/7 people partying down, throwing beer bottles and whiskey bottles on the ground, defacing everything and interfering with people trying to visit their relatives' graves. What a nightmare!!

Do these guys who claim to have a will have an extra $10,000 to pay for this funeral lying around gathering dust? I sincerely doubt it.

What a joke!

Dilligaf said...

The law varies state to state. For example, in California, bodies must be buried in established cemeteries. You can establish one, including private family sites, with the local jurisdictions. This reminds of Gram Parsons from the Flying Burrito Brothers and his death. Ironically, one of the people who stole his body was Phil Kaufman, a one time associate of the Wooly Hophead himself.

Mrstormsurge said...

Diane Lake interview on the 11/25 coast to coast am on youtube. It starts about minute 79 of the full broadcast

Kathy Raper said...

And the b.s. gets deeper and deeper by the minute!! Who in their right mind would want to claim 'The Devil's' body? Seriously, these people need mental exams asap! Will the victim's families EVER get some peace? I thought that Manson's death would give them just a little bit of closure, but now we have this three-ring circus over his miserable remains.

katie8753 said...

This is getting crazier by the day...

http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/26/charles-manson-teeth-memorabilia-haunted-museum-ghost-adventures/

beauders said...

If any is of these people truly care about Manson they will have him cremated and spread the ashes over Death Valley which he loved.

beauders said...

Katie you are never shy about your feelings are you? I find it refreshing actually.

beauders said...

People thought that interning the Jonestown dead would bring out the freaks but it really didn’t. The cemetery my brother is in was going to take the Jonestown dead but backed out at the last minute (Skyline Cemetery in San Mateo California) so they were brought into a cemetery in Oakland.

katie8753 said...

Beauders! That's what makes me "me"! LOL. :)