Thanks VenusTrailer is here:http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/08/14/face-of-evil-the-charles-manson-murders-ranch.cnn/video/playlists/most-popular-domestic/
CNN has apparently posted a number of preview videos for that program, another one is HERE. That's the third different one I ran across and there may be more.
You're all welcome. I'm assuming this is a new show, but you never know.
Venus, my Comcast menu says this is a new program.
Oh, good! Thanks, Carol!
Just watched the CNN special. Wish people who actually knew the victims spoke, instead of Alisa Statman, but whatever. Did Col. Paul Tate actually follow those bikers back to Spahn Ranch? And Alisa said Sharon had been hanged before she was stabbed. I thought this theory had been de-bunked?
Carol I watched that special too. Maybe they asked Debra Tate to be on but she's sick of Charlie getting attention every August. I don't know.I don't think Sharon was hanged I think she probably had rope burn marks on her neck because of the rope around it. As far as Paul Tate following those bikers back to Spahn's, I've never read that anywhere except in Alisa's book, so I'm not sure if that happened or not.
Thanks for the info, Katie.
Completely off topic comment and completely useless information. I think I read that Bruce Davis may have had a "Polish Radom" pistol at Gary Hinman's. An online buddy in Poland just sent me a vid of what appears to be a convention for Radom firearms. Apparently, they are still in business as opposed to Colt firearms that apparently is going bankrupt. If anyone wants to see the Radom convention, the vid is--->HERE,
Doris Tate also said Sharon was hanged. I don't remember where I saw her say it though...either during the horrible Interview the hideous Bill Nelson did with her, or maybe during a Susan or Tex parole hearing. She did say it though, but there's nothing in Sharon's autopsy report to support it. i think Katie's right, there were rope burns on her neck from her struggle. Susan I think, said Sharon struggled to get the rope off. I do believe the theory though that there was an attempt to hang Sharon .on the front porch, after her death, by the after death visitors to Cielo there "to see what my children had done" ...
Radom is the name of the city the commies made guns at in Poland. There was no brand name called Radom back in the 60s. If you looked real close at any gun made at that plant you'd find the stamped words "Radom, Poland". There was no brand name "Radom" stamped on their guns.Today there is the brand name Radom. The commies have been introducing capitalism while we here in America have been introducing communism. The Radom used in TLB was said to be 9mm but it was not 9mm Luger. It was a 9mm Makarov which is the same width as the Luger 9mm but it was a little shorter.Luger 9mm=9mm x 19mmMakarov 9mm = 9 x 18mmThe West made 9mm Luger. The Commies made the 9mm Makarov. The plant in Poland only made 9mm Makarovs.
Thomas Noguchi was the coroner of LA and he performed the autopsy on Sharon Tate himself. In his book, CORONER which came out in 1983 he refers to both Sebring and Tate as being semi-hanged. The rope was indeed wrapped around both their heads and there is evidence that the rope was thrown across the beam in the living room, but that only slight pressure was put on it. So the victims were not hung off the floor, but rather were allowed to remain standing on their feet.I have the book club edition of this book. The chapter on Sharon Tate is pages 123 - 142. Because I was working earlier this week, I haven't seen this latest CNN show, but hope too. I was disappointed that Statman seems to be one of their sources as that will just lead to more people being mis-informed. I did have time to travel and photograph 8 Woodstock Lane in Pittsford, NY, the once home of Robert Earl Murray. It is a very lovely home in an exclusive neighborhood. Such was the lure of sex and drugs back in 1969 that a nice boy from Western NY would end up living amongst those who frequented the Spahn Ranch...
Thanks Marliese and thanks Starship!! I agree, getting info on this case from Statman is pretty much useless and misleading about certain facts.Marliese I think I've heard Doris say that Sharon was hung too, I think it was at Tex's parole hearing, but I can't be sure about that. I hate that she had to add that mental picture to her thoughts of Sharon's torturous death. Starship, it amazes me how many of the young people who hung around with Charlie came from really nice homes. They preferred to live in filth instead of having a nice comfortable life. Doesn't make any sense to me at all.Barbara Hoyt spoke quite a bit on this special and I just can't figure her out. She says she was terrified of these people after the murders, but yet she willingly went to Hawaii with Ruth Ann. I don't get that.
Well, it is Hawaii....
Starship,You can see the program here:http://murdersofaugust69.freeforums.net/thread/793/face-evil-charles-manson-murders?page=1&scrollTo=4599
A foto does exist of the ceiling beam where a mark from the rope can be seen. Looks like blood on the beam. Is it blood or dirt from the rope? Dunno. The mark is on the underside of the beam and the foto was taken from the floor. I once studied this pic and was not able to understand why the rope burn or dirt mark would have been on the underside.It was my understanding that Sharon was on her tip toes with the rope around her neck.Sebring was shot and died prior to the rope being put around his neck according to the story. He was shot very early in the crime when everyone was asked to lay face down on the floor. Was Sebring hung up after he died? Was he ever at any point hung up? No one says he was hung up but yet he has a rope around his neck. I always wondered if there was an abandoned attempt to hang him up.
Mr. P, I've seen that photo. There is a dark mark on the beam. The police are pointing at it. I have no idea what it is.I think the rope was wrapped around Jay, Sharon & Abigail, before Jay was shot and was still there after Jay was shot. And yes, Susan said she tightened the "noose" to make them stand on their tip toes.Then they released Gibby to go into her room to get the $72 from her billfold, and when they came back from her bedroom, Tex said "you're all gonna die" and Voytek & Gibby bolted, but Sharon stayed there. I think at that point, the rope was still around Sharon's neck and Jay's neck, because they didn't remove it from Jay's neck after he fell.I think the rope around her neck caused her a lot of discomfort, but I don't think they hung her.Looking at the death photos, it's hard to see if there are rope burns, because the ropes are still there. I would think that if an actual hanging occurred, it would have been mentioned in the autopsy, because it would have damaged cartilage in the neck area.
The hanging aspect to the Tate murders and the kitchenware aspect at Labianca's are aspects that will keep the killers in stir forever. That is also one reason why Americans keep guns. Don't let Uncle Sam take your guns. You could end up hanging from the rafters.
There are many reasons why Americans own guns, keeping the government in check is only one facet. Most own them for personal protection today, as you cannot expect law enforcement to respond in a timely manner to protect you, that is not their primary function. It is up to the individual to stack the odds in their favor regarding the owning, and usage, of a firearm. If one chooses not to own a firearm, that is their choice. However, if you choose to wait for someone else to come save you, that is your foolish choice...
I had an unbelievable experience at Lowes today in the Garden Dept with a high school age red headed chick. Very pretty gal......................................................(I'll let that sink in to your brain a second) I casually mentioned Jack Benny to her and she was totally unaware of his name at all. I was stunned. She had never heard of the funniest comedian that ever lived.I told her to go Youtube his old shows. As I walked off I told her I envied her because she was in for a nice surprise.Sadly though; there is definitely something wrong in America if our young people don't know anything about the arts. it's really inexcusable. When I was ten yrs old I knew who Rudolf Valentino was even though I had never seen a movie he was in. BTW Valentino lived very near the Tate house.
The reason I mentioned Jack Benny to the cute red head was I was helped by her in both departments at Lowes. First I went to the electrical section and then to the garden section. I told her she reminded me of that guy on Jack Benny who was at every store Jack went to. The guy would always blurts out "Y-e-s-s-s. May I help you?". The salesman was forever tormenting poor Jack.
MrPoirot said..."Sadly though; there is definitely something wrong in America if our young people don't know anything about the arts. it's really inexcusable"I think it's semi inevitable. As the generations go by and each generation has it's own heroes and celebrities and then technology fans out in ways we couldn't imagine 40 years ago, the past becomes irrelevant to those that have no interest in it.Mind you, the vice is also versa. Most of the artists my kids know of and programmes they watch via YouTube, I've never heard of, nor have I any interest in knowing them. But that's where it's at for them.The only reason I do know is because I make the effort to know what they're into and we talk about it. But I'm not interested in "Video game high school" and the people that act in it. And once they're adults, I won't have to bother !For the record, I've heard of Jack Benny but I couldn't tell you a thing about him. And I'm 52.
Grim the best way to describe Jack Benny is that he was the jerry Seinfeld of the 50s and 60s. They both had a laid back comedy style and personality. Jack Benny shows are on You tube. Benny was probably one of the 5 best comedians in the 20th century. He's right up there with Laurel and Hardy.I constantly hunt for old movies and tv shows from before I was born. I love finding a good book I haven't read. Most county libraries carry DVDs of old TV shows and movies. A good tv show is a good tv show. It doesn't matter when it was made.I was a fan of Monty Python in the 70s but I think Jack Benny TV shows stand the test of time better than Python.
Old art is still worthy today. Look at Hank Williams. His voice is hick and out of style and his recordings sound like they are coming out of a tin can but the lyrics and the chords are on a level no artist today can match. Look at Chuck Berry lyrics. Nobody alive today can approach his music poetry. I hear wacked out metal bands doing Hank Williams songs. Any good musician knows his music history.Look at Hank Williams and Chuck Berry. They both were very poor depression era kids who attended one room school houses. How did those guys learn to write those incredible lyrics? PHDs from Harvard and Oxford today can't write poetry as well as Williams and Berry.People were much more educated 75 years ago.
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