Wednesday, December 3, 2014

Off-Topic: Charles Barkley talks about "Ferguson" during a radio interview... and he's absolutely correct on all counts.

I always enjoy listening to Charles Barkley. He's frank... to the point... and usually dead-on correct. If he ran for a public office, I'd give him a vote.
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Here's a follow-up Commentary by Barkley. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

56 comments:

katie8753 said...

I totally agree with Charles Barkley too. This guy speaks the truth and it's a breath of fresh air.

Why does it always boil down to race? Even now???

If a black officer kills a black guy, no one cares. If a black officer kills a white guy, no one cares. But there is a handful of black people who want to make a big deal of a white officer killing a black kid.

My personal opinion is that the people who looted and burned (I'm assuming they're black, maybe some were white) were only doing so to steal TV's and stuff. They weren't even thinking of this dead black kid. It was only personal gain and just to whine about race.

TomG said...

If a black person kills a black person, oh wait a minute, that's happened many times this past hour.

I don't care and neither does anyone else. That's what they do. They are violent and blame everything on everyone else.

But when a white police officer is attacked and shoots in self defense, that's a perfect opportunity to riot and loot and gain in ways they never would in the marketplace.

katie8753 said...

You know, all this stuff about Bill Cosby has me thinking.

Bill Cosby has been a quiet voice in the "black community". He has been just like Charles Barkley, telling the black kids to "mind their manners".

I can't believe that Bill committed all these atrocities. I just don't believe it.

TomG said...

I believe it. And I'll tell you why.

In life, their is the presentation self, the public part that we show to family, friends and community.

Then, there is the secret self, the darker world of fantasy, sexual desire and need for success.

When people get too much into drugs and alcohol, the dark side overtakes the better side.

But that's only my opinion and you can kick me off the blog if that is too un- Amurican.

TomG said...

Well, I'm sorry to break the news to you that men want sex with more than one partner. It's probably biological but culture ordains that it is moral weakness. Which it probably isn't but I don't want to argue this because I'm on a short leash here.

Monogomy is a construct of Western Civilization in that they want you to live in units and buy lots of shit that you don't need.

By the way, the 76er's won their first game tonight!. Perservere and rewards will follow!

katie8753 said...

Okay boxing's on. Get outta here!

louis365 said...

There is no smoke without fire. I think there are women who are jumping on the Cosby bandwagon for a chance of some easy money, but they're not all lying.

Klitschko continue's to rule!

Mrstormsurge said...

I believe that race is in this for 1 of 2 reasons and the reasons may morph into one reason. One, the leaders of the black community and our current govt are imho radical leftists who want to delegitimize the legal system as a means of promoting revolution to bring into being a far more dictatorial government with radical leftists in charge of it. Two, they cannot get a second bite at the apple for Ferguson or now Eric Garner because of double jeopardy unless they invoke civil rights violations and to do that they must bring race into this.

TomG said...

What that bird just say?

MrPoirot said...

There were a great many "whites" in Ferguson whose single purpose was to incite. it also doesn't help when the most radical, dishonest Atty General in American history is in office stoking the flames of racism because he hates America.

TomG said...

That's a little bit more clearer.

Old thinking that if people don't look and think like white people, they are intrinsically evil.

Which is outdated silliness, which we have to get past before we debate the issues.

starship said...

Hi, Katie,

You may or may not recall that I have a longtime job which from time to time has me working with various people in the entertainment industry, and I can tell you that I first heard these things about Bill Cosby more than 25 years ago from a promoter who had to deal with it on two separate occasions.

So, incredible as it may seem....

MrPoirot said...

We are so fortunate in NY to have a gang of 5 thug cops come murder a man before he was able to distribute a pack of cigarettes to the unsuspecting public. Can you imagine what would have happened if those cops had just walked on by and done nothing?

It's very hard to defend thuggery whether it's Michael Brown in Ferguson or 5 small brain, big bicep cops in NY.

TomG said...

The narrative seems to be that out of control white cops are killing 'African American young males.' for no good reason.

But that's horseshit. God Bless the police who protect us while we sleep from these savages.

They're up to no good, are morally weak and if you don't have one of them on your fantasy football team, what good are they?

MrPoirot said...

Right now in Mexico and the US there are thousands of people demonstrating against rogue police departments that murdered citizens. Surely we can do better than fricken Mexico.

The situation in Ferguson was not a murder. However, did the cop need to shoot Brown that many times? Police do nothing for their image when they try an empty a 15 round magazine on one guy but that is what they are trained to do. How do I know this? Because I took a concealed weapon course taught by a SC state trooper. The trooper told the class to eliminate the target. Empty the gun.
I never sent my completed application off because I was too confused by what I was trained to do. Im not emptying a full magazine into a human. There is such a thing as over kill.

MrPoirot said...

The Ferguson cop used less than a full mag but he used too many rounds. Do you put a half pound of butter on a slice of bread?

MrPoirot said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuCIU2kv-2E

Here is a black Fla state trooper who shoots an elderly white guy. Race is not an issue in this shooting. Bad training is the issue. The trooper is trained to shoot first and think later. It is obvious the trooper wishes he had not fired those rounds. This video is an accidental shooting caused by overly aggressive training. Overly aggressive training is incompetent training. Fla needs to hire new firearms instructors because the ones they have are too gung ho.

TomG said...

Welp.....Mr. Poirot is probably a good guy with good thoughts, but second guessing a police officer who has a second to make a life or death decision is not something we should care what he thinks.
You do whatever you have to do, to live one more day, and the powers to be can debate itl

MrPoirot said...

Tom I'm going to hold up two fingers and ask you how many fingers I am holding up. OK?

Here we go.

Krissy Deen said...

About the man in NYC- I heard his death is officially listed as a homicide. If that's true- how can it be that nobody is being held responsible for that? Anyone know? I've never heard of such a thing and the whole story is really sad. If the medical examiner says he was murdered- why is nothing going to be done about it? I don't understand this at all.

katie8753 said...

Krissy I don't understand that either.

Does anyone have an answer?

Mrstormsurge said...

If I understand the use of the word homicide means that his death was caused by another person as opposed to say an accidental or natural death. Whether that was criminal (e.g., criminally negligent homicide) is another matter and one that a medical examiner cannot determine.

Krissy Deen said...

Thank you Mr. Stormsurge- that does make sense. I thought they would have called it involuntary manslaughter or something like that- when someone's death is ruled a homicide it seems someone should be accountable but I guess that isn't always the case. I can see where that would be hard to accept if it were one of my loved ones.

Dilligaf said...

Krissy Dean,

Homicide is the legal terminology for the killing of an individual by another. It does not mean that the death was unlawful, only that death occurred by the hands of another.

If you look at the death certificate of a death row inmate that was legally executed, the cause of death will be listed as homicide. It was a legal killing of an individual.

When a homicide is caused by the illegal or negligent act of another, then you will see different types of charges, such as the varying degrees of murder or manslaughter.

Krissy Deen said...

Thanks to you also Dilligaf. I really have learned something new. I always thought homicide & murder were two terms that basically meant the same thing. That's good to know because I was really confused by that. I don't have a legal background as you can probably tell. :)

katie8753 said...

Thanks Dill! I'm sorry it took so long to post your comment. I was doing other things today and finally saw it. I hate the comment moderation, but that's another topic! LOL.

katie8753 said...

So, as I see it, from what I know, this guy was on the street corner selling cigarettes because the tax rate is so high and 5 cops jumped him and one put a "choke hold" on him and killed him. And the cop who killed him was not indicted. What am I missing???

Krissy Deen said...

I don't get it either Katie. To me what the man was doing was no worse than the people who stand on street corners and ask for money. At least he was offering something in return. ( Illegal cigarettes, really??) I've never been one to judge ( the majority) of people who ask for handouts. I know that some of them are just con artists but many are just people struggling through life. I've been in some rough spots but I've been lucky enough to have family who helped me through the bad times or who knows where I might have ended up. I'm sorry for this man he didn't deserve to die this way. Not to me anyway.

katie8753 said...

Krissy I don't get it either. The guy wasn't doing anything dangerous that I know of. I don't know what made 5 policemen jump on him. I must be missing a big part of this story...

Does anyone know why these officers jumped this guy?

MrPoirot said...

The DA in Ferguson didn't see ant grounds to prosecute the cop so he let A grand jury decide. In NY the DA probably thought the cop was guilty but was afraid to go against the police so he let a grand jury decide. The DA in NY should have stood his ground and charged the cop.

In LA choke holds on blacks are illegal to uee by police on suspects.

I personally don't think you can accidentally strangle someone.

Dilligaf said...

Katie,

Just a couple of observations.

Until we receive more information from the Grand Jury, we are left to interpretations from a phone video, nothing more. Video rarely tells the whole story, and there must be more that the GJ felt added to the story line.

That being said, the fact that Mr. Garner was able to claim that he could not breathe during his takedown shows that a choke hold was not being used on him. If it were, he would not have said anything.

Because he had priors, as was currently on probation, it is understandable that he did not wish to be arrested again, thus his resistance. Given his size, there was a need for multiple officers to facilitate his arrest. I believe that his death will have multiple causes, including his weight and other health issues.

I am not saying that his death was justified, but I respect GJ's, the job that they do, and the value they provide. I will wait for everything to come out before I allow emotion to cloud my opinion. However, I do not believe that race played a role in this at all, and that his death, though tragic, is being used by charlatan's, huckster's, and race baiters which is even more tragic and harmful to society.

katie8753 said...

Thanks Dill. I knew there had to be more to this story.

BTW, I know for a fact that all the Los Angeles policemen are nice. I watch Adam 12 every day. Reed & Malloy always say "Yes Ma'am" and "Yes Sir". Love those guys!!

MrPoirot said...

America needs to legalize tobacco.

louis365 said...

katie8753 said...
"So, as I see it, from what I know, this guy was on the street corner selling cigarettes because the tax rate is so high" ??

Are you kidding me Katie? Unless I buy the tax free ciggs at 20 bucks a carton from the Natives - and I'm getting ripped off at that price - the price here is 12.00 bucks a pack!!!

louis365 said...

lol Mr. P. illegal is a Gov. term.

katie8753 said...

Wow Louis. I bought a pack of Pall Mall's today for $4.41!

sunset77 said...

I tried to watch the Barkely vid at the top of this post, it apparently no longer works.

I've personally fired thousands (and probably hundreds of thousands) of rounds of ammo. Rifles, shotguns, pistols, bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action, semi-auto, percussion cap, single and double action revolvers, etc. I've shot into just about about every inanimate and many living targets imaginable. Bottles, cans, deer, turkeys, leaves, trees, rivers, rocks, ice, old TV sets, refrigerators, Sears catalogs, fish, skunks, rabbits, opossums, racoons, and probably hundreds of others. (no people though). I once shot into a flock of black birds sitting on the ground 3 times with a pump action 12 gauge with #9 shot, high brass. I killed 72 of them in about 3 seconds, I had to get a wheel barrow to gather up their carcasses.

No judge, politician, cop, Charles Barkley, or anyone else is ever going to convince me that shooting an unarmed man, 6 times to death, is ever necessary. To anyone that thinks otherwise, when some cop shoots you or someone you know for no reason, you will be singing a different tune.

Here's what it looks like right here-->Seatbelt Violation.

That's without even starting on the race thing. In the prisons I was in, I'd estimate 90% of the inmates were black. I can understand why people in Ferguson Missouri and many other cities are rioting in the streets, I don't blame them even a little bit.

Dilligaf said...

Sunset,

I would agree with you if it were for no reason.

However, when did attacking a police officer cease to be a reason? When did charging for a second attack stop being a reason?

By the way, when you shot the black birds, was it because they were there hanging out, doing nothing to disturb you, or did you single them out because they were black birds? Unless they were attacking you, didn't they have a right to live???

louis365 said...

In Canada, 40% of inmates are Natives, yet they only comprise like 4 percent of the population.

katie8753 said...

Sunset, the stuff you were shooting at couldn't shoot back at you. That's quite a difference...

MrPoirot said...

Dilligaf I am against wind and solar energy production on a large scale because both methods kill thousands of birds. One large solar farm in California kills 20,000 birds a year from the 800 deg heat it produces above the solar panels which birds fly through. Yet most people today believe wind and solar energy is clean energy and vastly superior to coal produced electricity. They believe this because they are taught this. Yet it is untrue. Green energy is very destructive to birds. Far worse than coal.

If you were a cop and had been repeatedly trained to empty your gun into aggressive suspects you would do so when the time came because you will resort back to what you are taught. Black Birds or Black people: what's the difference? We legally kill them in order to produce law and order and electricity. It is politically correct to do so.

Dilligaf said...

Mr. P,

LE is not taught to empty their weapon, they are taught to fire until a threat is no longer present, a big difference. My training, in order to carry, included combat scenarios, shooting for center mass, and fire until the threat is neutralized. The problem with aiming for center mass, and what many people do not understand, is that your target is typically moving while you are firing. As such, the chances of either missing, or scoring a non-lethal hit is very likely. As such, you continue to fire.

As far as the birds go, regardless of what you do for energy, you are going to piss somebody off, and birds do not vote...

katie8753 said...

Mr. P, Alfred Hitchcock would have loved your view on "The Birds".

MrPoirot said...

My training, in order to carry, included combat scenarios, shooting for center mass, and fire until the threat is neutralized[end quote]

Then you agree with me 100%. You believe what you were trained so in a hostile situation you will act just as you were taught.

MrPoirot said...

Dilli you also believe solar energy is clean because that is what you are being taught. The people teaching you that try not to mention all the birds this "clean energy" kills. You believe solar energy is all good and coal energy is all bad. You are not thinking you are just following your incompetent training.

BTW in the video Sunset posted of a trooper shooting the black guy. The trooper is facing murder charges. it occurred in Columbia SC in an area where U of SC students go to bars a lot. Gangs were coming into that area on Fri and Sat night and shooting people. One gang member shot a female 18yr old freshman who is now paralyzed for life. The trooper charged with murder was part of the extra patrols sent into that area to stop gang activity and protect students.

Dilligaf said...

Mr. P.,

Actually I never said that was or was not supportive of solar power, or other forms of alternative energy. However, I will tell you this. Anytime people jump on a band wagon to support the latest "fix", "cure", or "solution", you can bet that somebody is making money off of it, and little long term success will be realized.

In Re proving your point about shooting until a weapon is empty is the opposite of what I said. If you are capable of stopping your threat with three rounds, that is what you use. If it takes seventeen rounds, that is what you use. However, on thing that people seem to forget is that there is a human on the end of that weapon, and that regardless of the amount of training provided, it is possible for anxiety, adrenaline, or maybe even fear, that can kick in, causing responses such as emptying a magazine. That is why on-going training is crucial.

MrPoirot said...

Dilligaf there are very very few who profit from the solar and wind projects because those two methods of electricity production are not profitable. They are boondogles. Yet we are falsely trained to believe they work.

Both Sunset and I posted youtubes of state troopers who were falsely trained to shoot instantly.

Dilligaf said...

Mr. P.
I am not sure I understand what "falsely trained" means. in the video Sunset posted, was the officer in the wrong? Maybe. Did the driver exacerbate the situation by moving quickly into his car to obtain a license? Possibly. But the amount of officers that are shot at or killed during a traffic stop is the single largest type of death a police officer faces.

A couple of thoughts on this. First, I will never forget the first scenario I was given by the Sheriff's Department simulator. It was a traffic stop with two occupants. While giving lawful commands to the driver, the passenger began to become aggressive, drawing my attention away for the driver. As I focused momentarily on the passenger, the driver reached into the car, withdrew a weapon, and killed me where I stood. It took less then ten seconds to die.

Second, look up the Newhall Incident, aka the Newhall Massacre. Two gunmen shot and killed four CHP officers during a traffic stop. I knew one of the first responding CHP officers after the shooting, he teared up 25 years after the fact.

My point is that it is dangerous on the street, and LE has as much a right to go home the end of the day as anyone else. They do not want to use their weapon unless they absolutely have to. They realize what happens when a gun becomes part of the equation. I have other stories about friends, and shootings, but hopefully I have made my point. Falsely trained? I don't think so...

MrPoirot said...

Dilli in both my trooper video and Sunset's video a person was shot who was not a bad guy. Neither were ever a threat to the Trooper. Officers need to be trained to expect people to do odd things without getting shot. You can't just run around shooting people because you want to "go home safe". Slogans are not a good reason for shooting people.
BTW, truck drivers and lumber jacks get killed on the job too.

Dilligaf said...

Mr. P,

Where do you draw the line for people doing odd things? If you draw the line too far, people die. Why just train the officer, why not train the citizen as well?

Could you show us any case where it was shown a person was shot just so the officer could go home?

People have died in most any job, so what is your point there?

MrPoirot said...

Dilli that was my point: people die on most every job. Why should police own the phrase "we just want to go home".

A good example of people getting shot so a cop could go home is the two videoa Sunset and I posted.
In Sunset's video the SC Trooper pulled the guy for no seat belt which in SC is not grounds for pulling someone because seat belt is a secondary violation. The driver must have committed a primary violation in order to be ticketed for no seat belt.

The entire stop was over aggressive. It was a game of you make one little mistake and I'll blow your ass away. This Trooper had previously killed a driver in a traffic stop.

MrPoirot said...

http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/12/09/minnesota-hunter-stabs-bear-survives-brutal-attack

This man kilt a bear with a Buck knife. Gives you an idea what Voytek faced from Sadie.

Dilligaf said...

Wouldn't Pat be a better comparison to a bear???

MrPoirot said...

Pat was a tough one alright. Some folks think Buck knives are not lethal. That only Tex's bayo was the lethal knife.
A 5" Buck knife blade on the folding model like the girls carried is used by hunters in the deep back country after shooting large game. You can't carry out a large deer so a Buck knife is used to cut out the choice edible sections which are easily packed out. A 5" folding Buck knife is a very sturdy indestructible implement.
They are called Buck knives because the brass handle resembles a deers hoof.

MrPoirot said...

http://www.cielodrive.com/photo-archive/beausoleil-hinman-murder-knife-04.php

More about knives:
look at this foto of Beausoleil's sheath knife he killed Hinman with. Look at the point of the blade. It is dull. It is rounded and thick. It is not made to stab with at all. It is a knife made to chop with. It had to take immense strength to force this blade through Hinman's ribs into his heart. It is nearly the equivalent of stabbing through the ribs using a butter knife.That had to be an incredibly vicious fight Bobby and Gary were in.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I uploaded a fresh copy of the original Barkley audio tape for anyone (such as Sunset), who missed it.

Hopefully, this copy will last a few days (before it's taken down again).

I also added two follow-up commentaries by Barkley.

I agree with Barkley's logic on 90% of it.

Peace...