Saturday, April 20, 2013

Several scenes around Boston, last night!  YEAH!
video
Mayor Menino: "We Got'em"

74 comments:

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

The city even shot-off a fireworks display!
LOL!

President O'Bama:
"You picked the wrong town".
LMAO!

louis365 said...

WaterBoard him till he sings...then hang 'em.

St. Circumstance said...

Very happy for the people of Boston and surrounding areas this is over...

Young people who think and act this way..... sigh

As I get older and older the world scares me more and more and Charlie seems smaller and smaller...

Have a great weekend all!!

katie8753 said...

Good idea Louis!! Good weekend to you too St.!! :)

Venus said...

The older I get, the more I'm turning into "an eye for an eye" type of person. Remember when OUR servicemen's bodies were hung? They should do the thing to this piece of scum in memory of those he helped kill such as that innocent 8 year old boy.

Venus said...

Oh! I LOVED the tribute at the game today!

There's a rumor that Neil Diamond is in the stands and will personally sing "Sweet Caroline."

katie8753 said...

They oughta sew his eyes shut, stick a screwdriver in each ear all the way in and cut his tongue out.

See no evil...hear no evil...speak no evil. Serves him right.

katie8753 said...

Also they could cut off his arms and legs and use him for first base at Fenway Park. LOL.

leary7 said...

Strange when you think about it, but this kid has some crap in common with our resident scumbag Tex. The kid was wrestling captain for two years at a really great high school and he won the states. So he was a stud athlete just like Watson.
And the day after the bombings he went back to his college and went to classes and slept in his dorm room. How freakin demented is that?
The kid never seemed like a hateful kid to anyone. Kinda reminds me of Al Springer's quotes about what a nice guy Tex was. But for whatever reason the kid bought into his older brother's hatred and extremism. There was no "sex an drugs" this time to warp the kid's mind, so it will be fascinating to find out exactly what tripped him out into becoming a remorseless killer of children and women.
It is easy to hate and cry for vengeance, but there are things that must be learned before the kid pays.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Hi Leary.

When I first saw this kid's photo... the first thing that crossed my mind, was how young he looked.

Then, I thought:
This kid is 19... roughly the same age, as our Manson kids.
In fact, many of the Manson kids were even younger, when they joined-up with Charlie.

The other thing, that crossed my mind today:
If this kid is never paroled, and he lives to a ripe old age... he could theoreticllay spend more time in prison than Manson.
'Course... we won't be around to see that. LOL
Something to think about though...

katie8753 said...

Leary said: It is easy to hate and cry for vengeance, but there are things that must be learned before the kid pays.

Leary I love you to pieces, but I have to kindly disagree with you here.

First of all, I don't care what their names are. I don't care where they came from. And I really don't care about what lame excuse they came up with to kill innocent people.

The older brother made the comment that he couldn't make friends in America because he couldn't understand them. Well first of all, he was denied citizenship because he beat up his girlfriend. The younger brother was nicer and obtained citizenship. So the older brother puts his negative spin on his younger brother?

I love my brother, but if he came to me with this whiney bullshit I'd have told him to take a hike.

Don't try to make this younger brother a victim of anyone. He was still shooting when the police finally got him in that boat. And at 19 years of age, you have the intelligence to make an honest decision. We're not talking about the Manson Family, with drug ingestion and brainwashing, we're talking about 2 brothers, one of which is pissed off. Fuck him.

It turns out the older brother has a wife and child. So much for not making friends in America.

What I don't understand is if these fuckers don't like it here WHY DON'T THEY FUCKING MOVE BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM????

So it's okay to attack innocent people who were enjoying a nice afternoon watching a race? People who now don't have legs anymore? People who are now dead because your brother didn't like living in this country?

I'm glad they killed the older brother, and I hope the younger one dies a gory death. I don't give a shit why they did it. You know what? I'm sick of hearing WHY. From now on, we can stick a red hot poker up their asses instead of asking why.

It's like Venus said. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

Do you really think that the "why" is gonna make the families of dead or dismembered victims feel better. I think not.

I have to agree with George Carlin in his usual comical, well metered response to undeserved, unjustified anger:

Would somebody just put a dick in that guy’s mouth please. Cuz that’s what he wants. He’s a cocksucker in disguise. He’s got his mouth open cuz he wants someone to cum in it. Now do you wanna keep makin’ noise motherfucker and we can find you that way, or are you just a punk, coward, asshole, bullshit loud motherfucker and you’re gonna shut up now so we don’t find out where the fuck you’re sitting. Cuz if you keep it up, we’ll grab your ass and throw you on the fucking street where you belong, with your mother. I’m fucking her in the asshole every night anyway, so fuck you and your sister and your wife and your kid. If you’ve gotta kid, I hope your fucking kid dies in a car fire. How do you like that you stupid cocksucker? Shut the fuck up and get the fuck outta here.

God love George Carlin!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGTr9LXxXvQ

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie, I'm not sure why you're directing your anger at Leary.

In a sense, I agree with him.

I certainly wouldn't have lost any sleep over this criminal's death (actually, it would have been pretty cool)... but no doubt, there's value in capturing him alive.
The police themselves, echoed that sentiment.
They wanted him alive.

The police could have easily killed him in that boat, in 2 minutes.
Just throw a grenade in there, and walk away.
They wanted him alive.

At least now, they can ask this freak questions... and maybe, just maybe... learn something that will decrease the chances of this happening again.
Gain a little insight, as it were.
Again, the police themselves, echoed that sentiment.

Besides...
50 years behind bars, is arguably a worse fate than death.
For a guy like this, who obviously didn't have much fear of death... that may well be the case.

Let him rot in jail for a half century.
Death, or a lifetime in prison... either way, he's gonna pay.

Who cares... he's done.
His life... for all intents and purposes... is over.

They'll probably having to place him in one of those secure settings.
One of the other inmates, would surely kill this guy.

katie8753 said...

Lynyrd I'm not mad at Leary at all.

I just don't see any justification of keeping this amoeba alive anymore to find out "why". The "why" doesn't matter anymore to me.

At least now, they can ask this freak questions... and maybe, just maybe... learn something that will decrease the chances of this happening again.
Gain a little insight, as it were.
Again, the police themselves, echoed that sentiment.


We've heard every reason under the sun to kill innocent people in this country, and quite frankly, I'm tired of hearing the bullshit reasons. It always boils down to one reason...the killer is nuts. Do we need to hear more "whys"? They can churn out a million of them. And they always have to do with someone "ignoring them...mistreating them...bullying them....not fucking them". Take your pick...it's all there.

What drives them nuts? Their own weaknesses. Their own futile excuses for living or not living. Their own putrid excuses for themselves. These fuckers are their own worst enemies.

Keeping them alive doesn't cure that. Killing them does.

katie8753 said...

Just for comic relief, I give you Chico Marx. He was a genious pianist. He did moves that most folks don't dare.

His impossible glissandos and his finger points put most folks under the table.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fx252AgYeM

My hat's off to him.

matt prokes said...

Heres something pretty freaky.
The older brother was married and had a kid.
The Wife, the kid and his in-laws live about three quarters of a mile up the road from me.
the medias been parked in front of their house since last night.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Wow... interesting.
Maybe they'll get an interview.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

http://xfinity.comcast.net/video/boston-boat-owner-hailed-as-hero-in-suspects-capture/26785859987

http://xfinity.comcast.net/video/bostons-heart-beats-louder-than-ever/26783299941

matt prokes said...

My friend tells me the bombers wife is the lady we've seen around town in a burka.don't know if hes right or not.
I feel sorry for the kid,a three year doesn't need this kind of infamy for the rest of their life.
Good job dad.

leary7 said...

Katie, as a born and bred Bostonian (I played in three Thanksgiving games against our arch rival Watertown) of course I want justice.
But if we don' take the time to study how a popular, successful kid in the course of a year becomes a child murderer and cop killer then we might as well just shut all the universities down. Maybe there is nothing to learn from this kid, or guy I should say. Maybe he is just pure scum like a Bundy or Dahmer.

But we all have been reading and thinking and arguing for forty odd years now how Charlie flipped those kids. I think we can take a year or two to put this kid under the microscope.

katie8753 said...

Leary I guess I'm in the minority here, but I don't see how asking this monster "why" and hearing his lame answer is going to help people pay astronomical medical costs, funeral costs and years of PT to learn to use prosthetics just because two losers decided to get their rocks off by making sure ball bearings ripped people up.

We still don't know the "why" about TLB. We can theorize and guess all day long, but the only one who really knows the "why" of TLB is Charlie. And he ain't talking.

A.C. Fisher-Aldag said...

Who cares about "why" or studying him. I wanna know if he has accomplices.

Also, why do you guys believe Tex or Sadie had to be brainwashed to do evil, but Dzhokhar (sp?) hasn't that excuse? Criminals do crimes becuz they're criminals. Brainwashing is hooey.

CarolMR said...

Katie, I think finding out the "why" may help prevent future attacks. At least I would hope so.

CarolMR said...

"Heres something pretty freaky.
The older brother was married and had a kid." - Matt

I heard they never married. Lots of contradictory info. Apparently she is of Portuguese/Italian descent and converted to the Muslim faith. She has accused Tamerlan of domestic violence.

katie8753 said...

AC your new avatar looks like Jodi Arias. Are you trying to scare folks? Well you don't scare me.

Brainwashing is hooey.

Manson did brainwash folks. It's not hooey. It's a fact. So what's your point?

matt prokes said...

Number 1, killing people without a trial because we don't like what they did(however vile)is against what this country should stand for.
Number 2,Killing people without a trial means that conspiracy theories will abound,the waters will be muddied to the point that no-one will ever be sure what really happened(JFK assassination comes to mind)and in a case like this future violence could be prevented from the second bambers information.
Number 3,I don't think death is a good enough punishment in most cases.If I had a choice I'd rather be dead than spend the rest of my life in a small box with no hope of ever getting out.
Of course you have the arguement that the taxpayers end up paying the bill but I think imprisonment is a worse punishment than death.

And to AC's point I don't buy the concept of brainwashing in general either.
People are responsible for their own actions.

matt prokes said...

http://northkingstown.patch.com/articles/state-police-investigate-nk-home-in-connection-with-boston-bombing

Heres the article where they talk about the older bombers family.
If you read the comments a lot of folks around here aren't too happy about their address being published.
The family refers to them being married at least once in their statement.
Maybe they were wed before there was a muslim conversion?

katie8753 said...

Carol said: Katie, I think finding out the "why" may help prevent future attacks. At least I would hope so.

I would hope so too Carol, but it seems that they creep on each other's backs and find other ways to find a different defense motive which has nothing to do with the truth.

If you've watched the Jodi Arias trial or ANY of the other trials you will see a pattern that people use.

If we get a WHY from this kid, we'll have a new rash of murders in the future, based on this kid's answers.

For instance, I watched "The Blue Eyed Butcher" movie recently and the exact verbiage that Jodie Arias is using in her defense is in this movie. The fog, the not remembering, the claims of abuse, the cleaning of the crime scene, the fog lifting at some point when it had to, etc. etc. Jodi learned it from this girl Susan Wright.

It's a never ending cycle of learning and using.

That's why I don't care about his "reason" for this. It doesn't matter.

katie8753 said...

This reminds me of the Mendendez brothers. One brother talked the other into killing their parents.

It is a form of brainwashing. It does exist AC, whether you want to believe it or not.

A.C. Fisher-Aldag said...

Who is Jodi Arias?

Them's my blond people glasses. What's scary? They kinda make me look like an insect, IMHO.

Really? Brainwashing is a "fact"? Been scientifically proven, has it? Uh-uh. Free will.

A.C. Fisher-Aldag said...

Blind people not blond people hahaha!

A.C. Fisher-Aldag said...

For all the conspiracy theorists: Tamerlan was not gunned down by police. His stupid younger brother ran him over with a stolen SUV and drug him for blocks, while fleeing and eluding. Most inept yet dangerous criminal ever.

sunset77 said...

Yahoo news says "The older Tsarnaev brother left the United States for six months last year, and apparently spent part of that time Dagestan. The brothers' father currently lives is Dagestan's capital, Makhachkala, which was also home to Abu Dujana"

There was a playlist on his YouTube page entitled "terrorists", it had 2 vids, they were both deleted. The Yahoo article goes on to say the vids were of Abu Dujana.

Abu Dujana was killed by Russian security forces, a graphic video of what might be his death can be seen HERE. GRAPHIC

Also, Happy Earth Day 2013 AC Aldag-Fisher!

starship said...

Geez katie,

A little rough on Neil Diamond...dont ya think?

A.C. Fisher-Aldag said...

Thank you, and happy Earth Day to you, too. We "celebrated" yesterday by cleaning up roadside trash, hauling old electronics to the recycler, and rototilling about nine million tons of compost into the garden. Anyone else doing anything?

Mrstormsurge said...

I'm switching to biodegradable rubber nipples from here on out !!!

bobby said...

Okay : brainwashing is hooey. Is manipulation hooey or a reality ? I mean really if you can't brainwash someone like in the movies or cartoons for that matter can we admit that people manipulate each other every day ? and the end result of being manipulated can lead to good deeds or evil deeds or anything in the middle. It is a reality is it not ?

bobby said...

Earthday: Can yo imagine if everyone nowadays started burning dead wood in thier woodstoves & had just one horse & one cow ?
pollution would have already killed us all.
As much as our modern world is drowning us in pollution it is still much cleaner than the " old fashion " way of life.
Sucks don"t it ?

bobby said...

http://www.ihatethemedia.com/earth-day-predictions-of-1970-the-reason-you-should-not-believe-earth-day-predictions-of-2009

katie8753 said...

Starship...Neil Diamond??? I don't get it. Was I rough on him??

STORMY! Make sure you switch to cloth diapers too. LOL.

BOBBY! I definitely believe in brainwashing, mind control, manipulation or dominance. Whatever word or term you choose to call it, the result is the same.

katie8753 said...

Wow Bobby. Thanks for posting the Earth Day predictions of 1970. I didn't even know there was an Earth Day back in 1970, much less know there were predictions. I was too busy running around in my gas guzzling 1969 Camaro and looking for boys. LOL.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

AC said:
"For all the conspiracy theorists: Tamerlan was not gunned down by police. His stupid younger brother ran him over with a stolen SUV and drug him for blocks, while fleeing and eluding. Most inept yet dangerous criminal ever".

At the time of my thread posting... "death by gunfire exchange" was the latest public information available.
That information (as well, as other details) were updated (by the media) several times (over the course of 24-48 hours), as the story unfolded, and new facts emerged.

Bear in mind, this was a fast-moving story... and the authorities intentionally withheld certain information (at times).

After both brothers were officially accounted for... and the Boston celebration had commenced... I didn't bother updating facts and details, further.
As far as I was concerned... I had completely exhausted the story... and quite frankly, myself.

While I thank you for updating everyone regarding Tamerlan's cause of death (after the fact)... how does ANY of this, make me a "conspiracy theorist"?
I fail to see any connection.

bobby said...

Katie, LOL. I was 8 years old the first erf day. I'm pretty sure i would of thought a camaro was cool but maybe not the girl driving it.

Yes: what ever you want to call it people have been leading others astray just as long as others have blamed others for leading them astray.

matt prokes said...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...Maybe they'll get an interview

They're certainly trying,I had to drive around a CNN van(among many others) on my way home tonight.
Guess I can't cut through the upper middle class neighborhood on my way home til this hubbub dies down.

matt prokes said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312588/Tamerlan-Tsarnaevs-wife-How-Katherine-Russell-Muslim-convert-widow-Boston-bomber.html

Geez,She went to My High School too.

katie8753 said...

Thanks for posting that link Matt. It's very disturbing.

"She was this All-American girl who was brainwashed by her super-religious husband. Nobody understands what happened."

"None of us would have dreamed that she would marry so young or drop out of college and have a baby or convert or be part of any of what’s happened."


This is what I'm talking about. Brainwashing. Charlie did it, and evidently these Arabs can do it too. What a beautiful young woman to be tricked by such an evil man.

History repeats itself over and over again.

Some people want to know the "why" of this so we might prevent it in the future. But I say that won't work because weak-minded people will always be subjected to brainwashing.

A.C. Fisher-Aldag said...

Not you specifically, Lynyrd. There were a lot of conspiracy theories floating around. Now we know the cops did not murder Tamerlan, to suppress evidence or for any other reason -- his own brother was responsible.

Which leads to a horrible yet funny joke...

What was the last thing going thru Tamerlan Tsarneav's brain, before he died?

A spinning Goodyear tire!!!

A.C. Fisher-Aldag said...

Nonsense. People have minds and free will. That story about the Devil tempting Eve was a metaphor. You can tell a good person to do a bad thing all day and they will not do it. On fact hypnotists will tell you they can't hypnotize someone into doing something against their own free will, something the person is morally opposed to.

Friday there was a bomb scare in our school. Not just a threat; a real bomb. The stupid little punk that did it started whining about how some other kids talked

A.C. Fisher-Aldag said...

...him into it. Well, you don't go to that effort, trouble, level of engagement by being coerced. Not to make bombs, or murder drug dealers and actresses, or any other negative action that takes a level of sophistication, thought, planning. No. These actions happen because a person thinks about them, plans them, works on the action, carries it through. Because they want to.

Same for women in bad relationships. They aren't brainwashed. Either they're getting something out of the relationship or they're afraid to leave. But brainwashed? Nonsense.

katie8753 said...

Well AC, I tend to disagree. I'm tired of you dissing the Bible and I'm going to put a stop to it NOW. I've had just about enough of that crap.

Nonsense. People have minds and free will. That story about the Devil tempting Eve was a metaphor.

This was in Genesis of the Bible. Are you refuting the Bible? If so, you are not a reliable source and should disregarded

You can tell a good person to do a bad thing all day and they will not do it.<

Look at the German population starting in 1938, wherein a fiendish madman named Schicklgruber convinced an entire nation that Jews were responsible for their plight. As a result, 6,000,000 of them were annihilated because they were brainwashed. These were families, fathers, mothers, children & extended families.

Fast forward to 1978 in Guyana, wherein Jim Jones convinced MOST of his cohorts to commit suicide, and if anyone didn't agree, they should be killed, because they were brainwashed. These were families, fathers, mothers, children & extended families.

Fast forward again to 1993 to David Koresh, a/k/a Vernon Wayne Howell, who convinced his followers to die in the hell hole he created because they were brainwashed. These were families, fathers, mothers, children & extended families.

I could cite time after time of these incidents, but the most important one to you is Charles Manson.

I'm not going to waste my time going into the debilitating intricacies of Charlie's brain-fucking of Mary, Pat, Lynnette & Sandy, because it's excruciating minutia that I'm sick of and I know that you are aware of if you didn't blink twice.

But either you were in a full blown coma, or you were just so brainwashed by Charlie that you didn't see that HE BRAINWASHED THEM AND YOU!

So what is it?

katie8753 said...

You know AC, we can discuss this case all day long, but it's not fair for you to force your religious beliefs down our throats.

No one else does that to you or anyone else, and sometimes a line has to be drawn....

If you choose to be an atheist, or witch, or whatever you are, that's your prerogative, but don't force that belief on others.

Beliefs about what happened at TLB are objective, but religious beliefs are sacred. Please let them remain that way. Let everyone choose to believe in the manner they wish without forcing your beliefs on others.

Thank you.

starship said...

Oh, sorry Katie,

Venus mentioned Neil Diamond and then right below I saw you write: They oughta sew his eyes shut, stick a screwdriver in each ear all the way in and cut his tongue out.

See no evil...hear no evil...speak no evil. Serves him right.

Also they could cut off his arms and legs and use him for first base at Fenway Park. LOL

I thought you were speaking of Neil Diamond

katie8753 said...

Starship, LOL.

I was talking about that scumbag terrorist or whatever he is.

I would never say that about Neil Diamond. He's one of my heros.

Mrstormsurge said...

Fast forward to 1978 in Guyana, wherein Jim Jones convinced MOST of his cohorts to commit suicide, and if anyone didn't agree, they should be killed, because they were brainwashed. These were families, fathers, mothers, children & extended families.


I mean it's possible that all those 900 parents and kids got really really suicidally depressed all the same night too.

katie8753 said...

Stormy! HA HA.

Or maybe Jim just gathered up people for his cult that he knew had depression problems and were looking for a quick way out.

A.C. Fisher-Aldag said...

So, saying something is a metaphor is "dissing" it? What? You believe a literal snake spoke a human language and a human woman ate an actual fruit, which caused all negative actions of all humans to be punished forever? Fine. No allegory there, it really happened just that way, the Esrth was created in six days and is

katie8753 said...

AC, you can believe what you want to..and I can believe what I want to. Okay?

A.C. Fisher-Aldag said...

That's what I get for trying to post from a moving car. Made me sound nearly as incoherent as, well, Katie herself...!

Let's try that again.

Katie, please put down the crack pipe, pick up this thing called a dictionary, or you can use the online one. Look up the word "metaphor". You will discover that it means an image or symbolic thing that represents a particular concept.

For example, the metaphoric snake representing an evil entity that whispers into people's ears and forces them to do bad things, such as eating a metaphoric apple, which represents the loss of innocence.

It was NOT literal. It was a metaphor. There wasn't a REAL snake who suddenly developed the ability to speak a human language. Eating an apple doesn't make people do harmful baneful things to others. This isn't a disrespect. It's an explanation that a story is not to be interpreted literally. The symbols had the message that people should obey God's laws, or there will be consequences. Get it? It's hard to explain it in simpler terms than that.

The Earth is not only 6,000 years old. It was not created in just six days. God does not hate fags. I don't care what it says in the allegory. There's another word for you to go look up.

People have free will. This means that God / Goddess / Buddha / Allah / Great Spirit gave them a brain to think with, laws for right and wrong, and a code of morals to abide by. Then people need to use their little thinkmakers and consider what is the best thing to do.

Nobody can be "brainwashed". There isn't a literal Satan. There are people who choose to be bad because THEY choose bad behavior, they don't care about the consequences, they harm others because it's fun or to have power over them. Not because a devil or a snake or an older brother or a leader or a short ex-con tells them to do it. Nobody had a gun to Tex Watson's head. Nobody was forcing Dshokhar to make bombs and chuck them at police.

At some point, we must take responsibility for our own actions, to own our behavior. Not blame Satan / Society / a leader / whomever.

Oh, and BTW, If Satan made the Germans kill, if the Devil made Jim Jones kill, if Manson made Tex kill, if the devil made anyone kill, if Allah made terrorists kill... then how do you explain Christians murdering six MILLION Pagans? Or the Christians tormenting the author in Florida, or the Westboro Baptist Church's actions, or the Christians that murder Gay people... did SATAN make them do that???

katie8753 said...

I'm going to have to put this in 2 parts:

AC, I've been as nice to you as I know how. I've even said please and thank you. But you've chosen to take it to another level. So be it. It's GO TIME. Let's proceed accordingly.

That's what I get for trying to post from a moving car. Made me sound nearly as incoherent as, well, Katie herself...!

Maybe you should keep posting from a moving car, because you sounded more credible.

Katie, please put down the crack pipe, pick up this thing called a dictionary, or you can use the online one. Look up the word "metaphor". You will discover that it means an image or symbolic thing that represents a particular concept.

I've never smoked crack, but it sounds like you have experience. I know the dictionary a lot more than you do. We can have a duel any time, any place.

For example, the metaphoric snake representing an evil entity that whispers into people's ears and forces them to do bad things, such as eating a metaphoric apple, which represents the loss of innocence.

My point was/is that the snake in Genesis IS Satan, and it IS NOT METAPHORIC. It's a fact. I believe what the Bible says. Either you believe all of it or none of it. It seems that you believe none of it, being that you're a pagan.

It was NOT literal. It was a metaphor. There wasn't a REAL snake who suddenly developed the ability to speak a human language. Eating an apple doesn't make people do harmful baneful things to others.

And what language was he speaking AC? Arabic, Hebrew, Egyptian, Other? How do you know what language he was speaking?

Were you there?

This isn't a disrespect. It's an explanation that a story is not to be interpreted literally. The symbols had the message that people should obey God's laws, or there will be consequences. Get it? It's hard to explain it in simpler terms than that.

It's disrespecting God's word.

The Earth is not only 6,000 years old.

Huh, that doesn't make sense. Are you smoking a crack pipe?

It was not created in just six days.

How do you know? Were you there? I sincerely think not.

God does not hate fags. I don't care what it says in the allegory. There's another word for you to go look up.

Oh, so now you believe in God??? Where are you getting that? Not from the Bible you keep saying is false.

And who said God hates fags?

People have free will. This means that God / Goddess / Buddha / Allah / Great Spirit gave them a brain to think with, laws for right and wrong, and a code of morals to abide by. Then people need to use their little thinkmakers and consider what is the best thing to do.

This is true.

katie8753 said...

Nobody can be "brainwashed". There isn't a literal Satan.

That's where you are dead wrong. There IS a "literal Satan" and he's already got you. Too bad, so sad.

And yes, people can be brainwashed.

There are people who choose to be bad because THEY choose bad behavior, they don't care about the consequences, they harm others because it's fun or to have power over them. Not because a devil or a snake or an older brother or a leader or a short ex-con tells them to do it.

That's very true, but there are also weak-minded people who listen to charlatans who coerce them to do bad, not only to others, but to themselves.

Nobody had a gun to Tex Watson's head. Nobody was forcing Dshokhar to make bombs and chuck them at police.

True. I'm not concerned with why Dickweed decided to blow up innocent people watching a race, because as I said, I don't give a fuck what his name is, or why he did it.

As to Tex Watson, he was brainwashed by Charlie to kill.

At some point, we must take responsibility for our own actions, to own our behavior. Not blame Satan / Society / a leader / whomever.

I agree to that statement, HOWEVER, it doesn't mean that another party wasn't trying to command thought patterns.

Oh, and BTW, If Satan made the Germans kill, if the Devil made Jim Jones kill, if Manson made Tex kill, if the devil made anyone kill, if Allah made terrorists kill... then how do you explain Christians murdering six MILLION Pagans?

Or the Christians tormenting the author in Florida, or the Westboro Baptist Church's actions, or the Christians that murder Gay people... did SATAN make them do that???


Now we're getting to the issue at hand. That's why you're mad at Christians. I guess somebody fucked up your world. Well don't bring it here AC.

katie8753 said...

AC, have you heard of the Tower of Babel?

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katie8753 said...

AC, I've decided that the only reason you came on here with this nonsense is to cause trouble.

Why don't you just take a hike and take your troubles with Christians or other ethnics groups with you, and stop bothering us?

Have a nice day....

A.C. Fisher-Aldag said...

Good decent Christians do not perpetrate acts of evil, do not deliberately harm others. Nor do decent, good, law-abiding Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans, agnostics, Hindus or anyone else. They use their religion as a moral compass. They use their free will and choose to do the right thing.

"Satan" is a cheesy excuse. An external entity to blame, a way to escape responsibility for bad actions. Just like Tex blames Charles for Tex's own horrible crimes. Isn't it nice and convenient to blame someone else for your own behavior? I'm sure there are dozens of priests blaming Satan for making them be pedophiles.

Some Muslims claim Americans or Westerners are influenced by Satan; it's their excuse for murdering us. That's just as lame as Christians claiming that the mythical Satan makes them perpetrate crimes.

BTW a"fact" is something that can be proven. Quite different from an allegory, or a metaphor, or a legend. The Bible has been interpreted to say that the Earth is only 6,000 years old. Cymraeg legend says our people migrated to the British Isles ten thousand years ago. Science says both stories are not possible; the Earth is

A.C. Fisher-Aldag said...

...a few billion years old, and the British Isles were under a sheet of ice ten K years ago. This is fact. The other origin stories are religious legend.

Your religious legends do not have any more validity or any less than mine. Neither are "fact". Both give people morals and laws to live by. We Pagans emphasize personal responsibility as well as pleasing our Gods.

A.C. Fisher-Aldag said...

Asked Bobby: "Is manipulation hooey or reality?"

I'd say that it is real, but after a certain age, experience level; and with the ability to think rationally, use logic, manipulation is nullified by free will.

Someone tries to manipulate you into doing an action that is wrong, you know it is wrong, you know it will cause harm, you know it will have dire consequences for yourself and others... You do it anyway... It's YOUR fault, not the person who suggested it. Not Satan, not any external force, not any excuse.

A.C. Fisher-Aldag said...

And here is a scientific fact -- in that behavioral psychology is a science -- so- called brainwashing is only valid in a very few specific situations. One, if one's life is in clear, present, immediate danger. Two, if one is being tortured. Three, if one is so mentally immature that they cannot draw rational conclusions, and a caregiver is demanding certain actions.

The people involved w/ Manson, and the terror brothers, were not subject to ANY of these conditions.

Yeah, I know, several of 'em have claimed they were. Prolly on advice of their attorneys.... who knew a little something about behavioral science. Anyway. None of 'em were being held hostage. People came and left at all times. None of them were small children or mentally impaired. None of them were being tortured. They CHOSE to commit crimes, of their own free will.

katie8753 said...

Boy AC, it must be fun at the dinner table at your house. LOL.

katie8753 said...

AC, just curious. What "gods" do you serve?

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Seriously AC?
It's 2013.
Why do you give a hot crap, what other folks believe (or don't believe)... or how they worship?

I believe that God created the earth (and all it's wonders) in 6 days.
So what of it?
Is that your concern?
The earth has evolved (and devolved) in many ways since then... but that's besides the point.

I also believe, that satan is a real entity, who does in fact, tempt people.

I also believe, that everyone has a "free will", and is responsible for their own actions.
"Free will" and "accountability", are two basics tenets of my religion.

I don't know any sane person, who would actually blame the devil, for their own actions.
I also don't know any legitimate religion, who teaches that concept formally.
If such religions exist, it's news to me.

"The devil made me do it".
That's basically a tongue-n-cheek joke at best.
Temptation is one thing... but acting upon temptation, is quite another...

I also believe, that Jesus spoke in parable (metaphor) many times.

As for "Christians killing six million Pagans"... it's really time to get over it, AC.
If your religion has a prescript for closure... please exercise it.
You've mentioned the persecution of your beloved Pagans, every six months, since the day I met you.

The Christians were also persecuted mercilessly.
They were thrown to the fucking lions, for cripes sakes.
They were forced to fight each other (to the death) in coliseums.
John the Baptist was beheaded like a rabbit.
Saint Peter was crucified UPSIDE DOWN.

Here's a full days-worth of reading, regarding Christian persecution (if you're so inclined).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians

EVERY religion, ethnicity and race has been persecuted at one time or another... not, just the Pagans.

The Jews took several beatings.
The blacks got screwed.
The Chinese were forced to build the trans-continental railroad.
The American Indian was decimated.
Stalin starved his own people.
Need I go on?

You really need to get over your animosity and bitterness towards Christians.
This is 2013.
No one on these blogs, killed your forefathers...

And furthermore...
No one cares what you believe (or don't).

"Live and let live", I say...

You don't have to justify your beliefs to me... and, I certainly don't have to justify my beliefs to you.

As long as folks don't wrong (or harm) others... what they believe, and how they choose to worship, is their own business.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I never thought I'd be taking theology lessons, from AC Aldag. LOL

I love ya AC... but seriously, it's getting old.

To my knowledge, no one ever questions your beliefs and practices on any of the blogs.
Please return the courtesy.