Friday, October 28, 2011

"What Happened After?  Manson Family Murders"
This is great video footage from the "Backporch Jugend" Youtube channel. 
It features rare footage from many sources... there's even several scenes with Irving Kanarek!  I really enjoyed this footage... highly recommended.   Parts 1-5 displayed, (top to bottom) respectively.  Thanks Backporch Jugend!  You ROCK!!
PART I

17 comments:

katie8753 said...

This is fantastic stuff!!! I've never seen it before!

A few comments. I listened to most of it, but want to listen again more intently when I have the time and make notes.

"At the time the girls were sentenced to death, California had no death row for women."

Imagine that! No other women were sentenced to death before the Manson scum.

"Doris was so interested in keeping Sebring's trade alive that she trained as a hairdresser and opened a Tate Salon."

Did not know that!

I will expound a bit on Debra Tate's comments tomorrow when I have more time.

I will say briefly that when Sharon was killed, Doris went into hibernation for 10 years. Her other 2 daughters were essentially ignored.

Now for the baby of the family (Patti) this may not be so traumatic, but for the middle child, it can be devastating.

That child may act out and do anything to get attention.

This is a common condition, in every psyche textbook.

It's the "perfect storm" in the movie Ordinary People.

And it happens!

katie8753 said...

I'll also say that Rosie Tate Polanski needs to climb back under that rock she came out from under.

She evidently couldn't convince any of the Tate family nor Roman that she was real, so she zeroed in on Garretson. That's a shame. She clamped onto him like a leech in an 1800's doctor's "bleed" procedure.

Ran up his phone bill then called and vented. She's nothing more than a highway robber to be disregarded.

Venus said...

Yes, Doris opened her own salon and cut hair using Jay's technique. She trained at his salon after the murders. There's a photo out there somewhere of her cutting some guy's hair.

Rosie Tate-Polanski is a certified nut. I can't believe that they even gave her screen time. I'm sure that just made her day. However, in all fairness, I'm looking for her 3rd eye. :-)

katie8753 said...

Hi Venus. I had never read that Doris took lessons to cut hair in Jay's style. Imagine that. She must have really been close to Jay to do that.

From what I understand, it's a very unique way of cutting hair, based on the shape of the head and face, and developed long before other salons started using it.

Rosie, or whatever her name is, needs to take a powder. She's a waste of somebody's sperm.

katie8753 said...

It's interesting that Leslie' father states that he NEVER discussed the murders with Leslie.

If my daughter had been on trial for stabbing "a lady that might be dead" 16 times, and was released to my custody, I'm pretty sure that when she got in my car I'd say "What the fuck did you do now?"

Unbelievable. Talk about hiding your head in the sand like an ostrich. That guy doesn't deserve air time to defend that horse-toothed beeezatch.

TomG said...

I thought about that too, Katie. If it were me, I would want to know everything she did, saw, heard, knew about, and then I would begin to sort it all out.

People deal with upsets in their own way, I guess.

As far as I know, Paul Van Houten is still living. He's got to be close to 90.

No crime in loving your daughter, until the end of time....

katie8753 said...

>>Tom said: I thought about that too, Katie. If it were me, I would want to know everything she did, saw, heard, knew about, and then I would begin to sort it all out.

People deal with upsets in their own way, I guess.>>>

No they don't. They get that child home and ask what the hell was going on.

>>>As far as I know, Paul Van Houten is still living. He's got to be close to 90.>>>

I think he's deader than a doornail. He can't ask any more questions.

>>>No crime in loving your daughter, until the end of time....>>>

au contraire, much to the contrary, I believe that Paul could have asked his daughter millions of questions. He might could have found out why she went from "high school princess" to fucking murderer.

If he had only asked those questions, she might have made it out in the next trials.

This guy is a fucking idiot.

And he's an auctioneer? He's not very good at his trade.

TomG said...

That is a teensy weensy bit harsh.

Horseteeth took a wrong turn. Its not the first time in human history that a young person lost their way.

We shouldn't blame Paul. Or Jane. Or even Leslie for that matter.

Other than that night in August, you'd want them for your neighbors.

katie8753 said...

>>>Tom said: Other than that night in August, you'd want them for your neighbors.>>>

Other than that night in August?

That's like saying "well Mrs. Lincoln, other than that...how was the play?"

You can't say other than that night in August. Leslie was part of that night.

I'm not blaming Paul or Jane. I'm blaming horseteeth.

But I find it strange that while Paul loves his daughter so much that he defends her, why does he not question her about running away? Why does he not question her about her involvement with a punk like Manson?

I'm not a father, but I am a mother, and I guarantee you that if one of my kids disappeared for months and suddenly were accused of murder, I'd be asking ALL kinds of questions.

Maybe if Paul had exhibited a little bit of "tough love" and tried to corral her, she wouldn't still be in prison.

katie8753 said...

Leary, I'm reading your comments, but I'm not going to post there. I've spent more time there than I'd planned to.

You make a lot of sense, as usual.

Thanks!

TomG said...

Time and chance plays such a big part in a person's fate. We all like to believe that our character and morality steer us to blue skies. But does it?

If Leslie Van Houten had missed 1969 by a year or two, she would have had a life like anyone elses.

No one is ever going to tell me she is a violent person. Because she isn't.

Thats just my opinion and it could be right and it could be wrong. Don't take it personal.

katie8753 said...

Tom, I don't take it personally at all!

I just disagree.

First of all, Leslie Van Houten didn't have the disadvantages the other girls had.

You know Tom, I'm not making excuses for these girls. I think they should all be held accountable for every action they took. The men too.

>>>Time and chance plays such a big part in a person's fate. We all like to believe that our character and morality steer us to blue skies. But does it?>>>

Indeed it does.

>>>No one is ever going to tell me she is a violent person. Because she isn't.>>>

Well Tom, she stabbed Rosemary Labianca 16 times in the back. Count them: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16.

Could YOU stab someone 16 times? Of course not.

Leslie Van Houten is missing a gene.

Now you can argue that she "thought she was already dead", or you could argue that "Tex told her to".

But the bottom line is...she did.

She willingly and wantonly stabbed Rosemary in the back 16 times.

Period.

Leslie Van Houten should spend the rest of her life in prison.

You don't stab someone 16 times and get away with it.

She has continually avoided taking responsibility and blamed it all on others.

The blame is on her.

Period!

TomG said...

Sweetheart, you think the worst of other women....and it is not your best side.

katie8753 said...

Honey boy, I don't think the worst of other women. Except for Ellen. HA HA.

But seriously folks, I don't have to spell out everything the Manson Family women did...do I?

Jeeezzz...Louise.....

Come one Tom...you know as well as I do what they did.

They killed. They threatened to kill. You saw them.

Why am I going over this again? Tom, you know the score.

Okey-doke. I'm going to bed.

We'll continue this tomorrow.

If you only have time late night, I guess we'll never connect.

G'night! :)

TomG said...

Good night. Have a great sleep.

TomG said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AscPOozwYA8

AustinAnn74 said...

Rosie should be in prison with the rest of the gang, simply for sporting that hairdo!